METAL GEAR SOLID 5 CONFIRMED BY HIDEO KOJIMA! New Fox engine!

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] i care jack about you confirming it,digital foundry >>> tiny you.Tessellation

Kojima > Carmack. Kojima actually has experience making an exclusive so he knows the advantages of optimising a game with the PS3.kuraimen

enough said

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

I confirm the opposite.

ShadowMoses900

That is an argumetn of appeal to authority, in order for this to be successful you have to prove your source (DF) to be two things:

1) Reliable and credible

2) Not bias or prone to outside influences

If you can prove those two things, then DF can be considered legit. Until then they are pointless and do not equal fact.

Argument from authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fallacious appeals to authority?

Biased authorities

There is no legitment evidence to suggest DF is reliable, they have no wiki page, they have devs praising them, other sources that do comparisons often contradict their findings, you cannot see their claims in game play videos, they are not invited for dev intereviews, there are no tech credentials for them.

So if they are legit like you say, then surely they must have these things. They are also many accusations of biased against them. Ultimately they are a no named site that no one outside of fanboy sites on the interent knows about. No one in real life has heard about them.

I can't tell who's more butthurt here, the lems or the cows.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Kojima > Carmack. Kojima actually has experience making an exclusive so he knows the advantages of optimising a game with the PS3.Stevo_the_gamer

I can't tell who's more butthurt here, the lems or the cows.

Blabadon

It's obviously lems though

The problem with lems is that they are uncultivated plebs. They should listen to some Bach and maybe they will evolve as human beings -> purchase of a PS3

NO, just give me Zone of the Enders 3 we have too much MGS

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Kojima > Carmack. Kojima actually has experience making an exclusive so he knows the advantages of optimising a game with the PS3.kuraimen

I can't tell who's more butthurt here, the lems or the cows.

Blabadon

Really not any cows/lems here, just fakeboy trolls making idiots of themselves.

Because, naturally, Great Trolling=Making a complete idiot out of yourself. lol.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Which means he has little experience knowing the advantages of the Xbox 360 which makes someone who develops and programs for all systems more adept in that respect--especially if that person is the most respected programmer in the industry.

Stevo_the_gamer

Bring it on! Gimme an MGS5 multiplat.

I have no idea where they'll go with the story.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Which means he has little experience knowing the advantages of the Xbox 360 which makes someone who develops and programs for all systems more adept in that respect--especially if that person is the most respected programmer in the industry.

Stevo_the_gamer

Bring it on! Gimme an MGS5 multiplat.

I have no idea where they'll go with the story.

lundy86_4

:lol:

It's like saying - "Bring it on! Gimme a lower quality game!"

Carmack can have experience in both but not in optimisation. He has programmed to generalise the same software on both architectures. In that respect the 360 can indeed have an advantage since more traditional means of programming (not using SIMD processing alongside MIMD for example like in the Cell) have to be used and the 360 has a more traditional architecture. But a developer like Kojima didn't have to work within those limits since he didn't have to make the program general enough to work on a more traditional architecture like the one on the 360. He could all the way back from the design phases focus on optimising on a very particular architecture like the PS3 a thing Carmack never had to do so he never saw its true potential. A traditional developer normally works on architectures like the 360 not like the PS3. The PS3 architecture is more used in very specific areas like number crunching and for scientific applications not game developing. It's probably pretty easy for Kojima to asses the 360 potential since it's architecture is pretty traditional unlike the PS3.kuraimen

Stopped reading right there. Stop kidding yourself.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Carmack can have experience in both but not in optimisation. He has programmed to generalise the same software on both architectures. In that respect the 360 can indeed have an advantage since more traditional means of programming (not using SIMD processing alongside MIMD for example like in the Cell) have to be used and the 360 has a more traditional architecture. But a developer like Kojima didn't have to work within those limits since he didn't have to make the program general enough to work on a more traditional architecture like the one on the 360. He could all the way back from the design phases focus on optimising on a very particular architecture like the PS3 a thing Carmack never had to do so he never saw its true potential. A traditional developer normally works on architectures like the 360 not like the PS3. The PS3 architecture is more used in very specific areas like number crunching and for scientific applications not game developing. It's probably pretty easy for Kojima to asses the 360 potential since it's architecture is pretty traditional unlike the PS3.Stevo_the_gamer

Stopped reading right there. Stop kidding yourself.

MGS is a POS series. The hype is truly unfathomable.

"Bring it on! Gimme a lower quality game!"GamerwillzPS

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"] "Bring it on! Gimme a lower quality game!"Badosh

What's this poop that if you develop for multiple platforms, then you have little to no knowledge on optimisation -- or at least less than a single-console developer? Where did this come from? Is there a basis for this in fact?

What's this poop that if you develop for multiple platforms, then you have little to no knowledge on optimisation -- or at least less than a single-console developer? Where did this come from? Is there a basis for this in fact?

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] It's not the same to work with an engine that tries to use a more general approach to be transparent to the architecture that really dwell in the details of an architecture to optimise the performance. That's where the real difference is noticeable. kuraimen

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] It's kind of an open ending sentence.Badosh

I think this calls for... yes, indeed.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]It isn't the same, in some ways--it's more difficult to reach out to three platforms and optimize for them, especially on a new custom engine ID had made. Again, the point was simple: someone who only has experience in dealing with one platform can't be above someone who has experience in dealing with multiple platforms especially if that person happens to be the most respected programmer in the industry. It's like Bungie coming out and saying Reach is impossible on PS3, but how can they say that if most of the guys there have no experience in dealing with the PS3? Let's think about this now.

Tessellation

With frame buffer and texture streaming issues etc

What's this poop that if you develop for multiple platforms, then you have little to no knowledge on optimisation -- or at least less than a single-console developer? Where did this come from? Is there a basis for this in fact?

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Carmack can have experience in both but not in optimisation. He has programmed to generalise the same software on both architectures. In that respect the 360 can indeed have an advantage since more traditional means of programming (not using SIMD processing alongside MIMD for example like in the Cell) have to be used and the 360 has a more traditional architecture. But a developer like Kojima didn't have to work within those limits since he didn't have to make the program general enough to work on a more traditional architecture like the one on the 360. He could all the way back from the design phases focus on optimising on a very particular architecture like the PS3 a thing Carmack never had to do so he never saw its true potential. A traditional developer normally works on architectures like the 360 not like the PS3. The PS3 architecture is more used in very specific areas like number crunching and for scientific applications not game developing. It's probably pretty easy for Kojima to asses the 360 potential since it's architecture is pretty traditional unlike the PS3.kuraimen

Stopped reading right there. Stop kidding yourself.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

What's this poop that if you develop for multiple platforms, then you have little to no knowledge on optimisation -- or at least less than a single-console developer? Where did this come from? Is there a basis for this in fact?

themajormayor

It's not something that can really be easily explained using common sense. The amount of variables is astoundiong. What evidence is there?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

What's this poop that if you develop for multiple platforms, then you have little to no knowledge on optimisation -- or at least less than a single-console developer? Where did this come from? Is there a basis for this in fact?

kuraimen

Where is it a basic development principle? Why is it a basic principle?

Does this have anything to back it up besides a couple of people saying it on the internet? Who's to say that an individual does not have extensive experience on the PS3 hardware, just because they develop for multiple platforms?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Stopped reading right there. Stop kidding yourself.

Tessellation

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

What's this poop that if you develop for multiple platforms, then you have little to no knowledge on optimisation -- or at least less than a single-console developer? Where did this come from? Is there a basis for this in fact?

lundy86_4

It's not something that can really be easily explained using common sense. The amount of variables is astoundiong. What evidence is there?

I was thinking that the more experience you have for one console the easier it will be to optimize for that one console... it really is common sense

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Carmack can have experience in both but not in optimisation.themajormayor

With frame buffer and texture streaming issues etc

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

What's this poop that if you develop for multiple platforms, then you have little to no knowledge on optimisation -- or at least less than a single-console developer? Where did this come from? Is there a basis for this in fact?

lundy86_4

It's not something that can really be easily explained using common sense. The amount of variables is astoundiong. What evidence is there?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Common sense?themajormayor

It's not something that can really be easily explained using common sense. The amount of variables is astoundiong. What evidence is there?

I was thinking that the more experience you have for one console the easier it will be to optimize for that one console... it really is common sense

Is that grounded in any sort of fact or is this an assumption? Experience is one thing, but extensive knowledge is something else. I'm sure that "experience" isn't everything.

It seems this is just a massive assumption, not common sense *shrug*

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