Metro LL's chief technical officer cofirms PS4 2x comparable PC in power.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-metro-last-light

Metro Last Light's chief technical officer Oles Shishkovstovfrom 4A confirms what John Carmack has been saying all along.

No, you just cannot compare consoles to PC directly. Consoles could do at least 2x what a comparable PC can due to the fixed platform and low-level access to hardware. 

He also strongly praised PS4's hardware,

We are talking PS4, right? I am very excited about both CPU and GPU. Jaguar is a pretty well-balanced out-of-order core and there are eight of them inside. I always wanted a lot of relatively-low-power cores instead of single super-high-performance one, because it's easier to simply parallelise something instead of changing core-algorithms or chasing every cycle inside critical code segment (not that we don't do that, but very often we can avoid it).

Many beefier cores would be even better, but then we'll be left without a GPU! With regards the graphics core, it's great, simply great. It's a modern-age high-performance compute device with unified memory and multiple compute-contexts. The possibilities of CPU-GPU-CPU communication are endless, we can easily expect games doing, for example, AI pathfinding/route planning executing on GPU to become a common thing.

There are some things which are just more efficient to do on massively parallel machines like GPUs are. I think that at least initially, with launch titles, the GPU-Compute will be underutilised, but during console's lifetime we'll see more and more unbelievable and innovative things purely thanks to GPUs.

I guess Metro LL would run at least Maximum level with some level of tessellation on PS4 at 1080p since a  7850 sli rig should handle more than that.

Yet another massive cow thread...

PC >>>>>>> PS4 get over it.

Great for the PS4 ?

I'm happy I can upgrade my PC when I want.

ITT: Hermit tears

Yet another massive cow thread...

PC >>>>>>> PS4 get over it.

Snugenz

ITT: Hermit tears

NathanDrakeSwag

Tears of laughs ?

Why are you waisitng your time Hermits? Go play your games instead.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Yet another massive cow thread...

PC >>>>>>> PS4 get over it.

gpuking

ITT: Hermit tears

NathanDrakeSwag

Why are you waisitng your time Hermits? Go play your games instead.

lilnazar

And what are you doing ?

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Yet another massive cow thread...

PC >>>>>>> PS4 get over it.

gpuking

It's a pointless thread, consoles can be more focused so of course they'll be more effecient with comparable hardware, but PC hardware is already leaps and bounds beyond the PS4 so its a pointless subject.

I'ts non news.

[QUOTE="lilnazar"]

Why are you waisitng your time Hermits? Go play your games instead.

Bebi_vegeta

And what are you doing ?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lilnazar"]

Why are you waisitng your time Hermits? Go play your games instead.

lilnazar

And what are you doing ?

Alright cool, go play some more.

[QUOTE="lilnazar"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

And what are you doing ?

Bebi_vegeta

Alright cool, go play some more.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lilnazar"]I already played my games for today, hermit.lilnazar

Alright cool, go play some more.

Sounds fun.

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Yet another massive cow thread...

PC >>>>>>> PS4 get over it.

Snugenz

It's a pointless thread, consoles can be more focused so of course they'll be more effecient with comparable hardware, but PC hardware is already leaps and bounds beyond the PS4 so its a pointless subject.

I'ts non news.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] This is not a PC vs PS4 thread OK? We know there are more powerful PCs out there but this simply vindicates PS4's architecture is very efficient and punches above its weight class rather than a so called mid end pc rig. gpuking

It's a pointless thread, consoles can be more focused so of course they'll be more effecient with comparable hardware, but PC hardware is already leaps and bounds beyond the PS4 so its a pointless subject.

I'ts non news.

How many own a PS4 ?

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] This is not a PC vs PS4 thread OK? We know there are more powerful PCs out there but this simply vindicates PS4's architecture is very efficient and punches above its weight class rather than a so called mid end pc rig. gpuking

It's a pointless thread, consoles can be more focused so of course they'll be more effecient with comparable hardware, but PC hardware is already leaps and bounds beyond the PS4 so its a pointless subject.

I'ts non news.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-metro-last-light

Metro Last Light's chief technical officer Oles Shishkovstovfrom 4A confirms what John Carmack has been saying all along.

No, you just cannot compare consoles to PC directly. Consoles could do at least 2x what a comparable PC can due to the fixed platform and low-level access to hardware.  gpuking

He also strongly praised PS4's hardware,

We are talking PS4, right? I am very excited about both CPU and GPU. Jaguar is a pretty well-balanced out-of-order core and there are eight of them inside. I always wanted a lot of relatively-low-power cores instead of single super-high-performance one, because it's easier to simply parallelise something instead of changing core-algorithms or chasing every cycle inside critical code segment (not that we don't do that, but very often we can avoid it).

Many beefier cores would be even better, but then we'll be left without a GPU! With regards the graphics core, it's great, simply great. It's a modern-age high-performance compute device with unified memory and multiple compute-contexts. The possibilities of CPU-GPU-CPU communication are endless, we can easily expect games doing, for example, AI pathfinding/route planning executing on GPU to become a common thing.

There are some things which are just more efficient to do on massively parallel machines like GPUs are. I think that at least initially, with launch titles, the GPU-Compute will be underutilised, but during console's lifetime we'll see more and more unbelievable and innovative things purely thanks to GPUs.

I guess Metro LL would run at least Maximum level with some level of tessellation on PS4 at 1080p since a  7850 sli rig should handle more than that.

Maybe if he is talking about the CPU but he is wrong about the GPU.

Otherwise current consoles would completely decimate the 8600gt and instead they perform similar.

API overhead is mainly an issue with CPUs not GPUs.

Leaps and bounds? Like titan sli? Do you own a pair? Do all pc gamers or even hermits here own a pair? Yeah, didn't think so.

gpuking

Consoles will have an advantage when they first launch because they'll be comparable to pricier hardware on PC. but that won't last very long at all, so its still pointless news.

Nah,herms said that optimisation doesn't make much difference.

Only a fool would believe a senior game programmer when the statements given by pc fanboys contradict what he says.

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Yet another massive cow thread...

PC >>>>>>> PS4 get over it.

Snugenz

It's a pointless thread, consoles can be more focused so of course they'll be more effecient with comparable hardware, but PC hardware is already leaps and bounds beyond the PS4 so its a pointless subject.

I'ts non news.

Nah,herms said that optimisation doesn't make much difference.

Only a fool would believe a senior game programmer when the statements given by pc fanboys contradict what he says.

call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

It's a pointless thread, consoles can be more focused so of course they'll be more effecient with comparable hardware, but PC hardware is already leaps and bounds beyond the PS4 so its a pointless subject.

I'ts non news.

Bebi_vegeta

How many own a PS4 ?

Nah,herms said that optimisation doesn't make much difference.

Only a fool would believe a senior game programmer when the statements given by pc fanboys contradict what he says.

call_of_duty_10

I go by facts not by the person who says it.

You are goign down the path of a fallacy which is appeal to authority.

I can show an 8600gt performing similar to consoles in a majority of games and the 8600gt is similar in power.

If he was talking about the CPU then he is correct as the API overhead on PC is mainly from the CPU side and you do need a bit more powerful of a CPU to run the same games but as advancements occur the API overhead diminishes over time.

The consoles have a very weak CPU so the API overhead is no big deal to PC gamers because even a PC CPU from around 5 years ago is more powerful than what is in the PS4 and Xbox One.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] This is not a PC vs PS4 thread OK? We know there are more powerful PCs out there but this simply vindicates PS4's architecture is very efficient and punches above its weight class rather than a so called mid end pc rig. zekere

It's a pointless thread, consoles can be more focused so of course they'll be more effecient with comparable hardware, but PC hardware is already leaps and bounds beyond the PS4 so its a pointless subject.

I'ts non news.

What sales are declining ?

There's plenty of games requiring high end hardware if you have the setup for it. 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] Leaps and bounds? Like titan sli? Do you kown a pair? Do all pc gamers or even hermits here own a pair? Yeah, didn't think so.gpuking

How many own a PS4 ?

You don't need Titan SLI to have something better then PS4. Also, I think AMD will have something new aswell.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Nah,herms said that optimisation doesn't make much difference.

Only a fool would believe a senior game programmer when the statements given by pc fanboys contradict what he says.

millerlight89

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

How many own a PS4 ?

Bebi_vegeta

You don't need Titan SLI to have something better then PS4. Also, I think AMD will have something new aswell.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Nah,herms said that optimisation doesn't make much difference.

Only a fool would believe a senior game programmer when the statements given by pc fanboys contradict what he says.

gpuking

PC has superior hardware available, it's up to the user if they want it.

[QUOTE="zekere"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

It's a pointless thread, consoles can be more focused so of course they'll be more effecient with comparable hardware, but PC hardware is already leaps and bounds beyond the PS4 so its a pointless subject.

I'ts non news.

Bebi_vegeta

What sales are declining ?

There's plenty of games requiring high end hardware if you have the setup for it. 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] By end of the year maybe 10mil? And how many would own a titan sli by that time? 5?gpuking

You don't need Titan SLI to have something better then PS4. Also, I think AMD will have something new aswell.

A single 670 is still better... no matter if the numer is small now, it's only going to grow... that's how technologie works. Even when the PS4 is released, people will still play with the Wii, Xbox and PS3.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="zekere"] And still sales are declining with hundreds of thousands each year. High end gaming is a niche market. If there are 3 games on the market that need your $2000 PC's, you'll have to think hard...zekere

What sales are declining ?

There's plenty of games requiring high end hardware if you have the setup for it. 

PC desktop doesn't equal gaming PC.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="zekere"] And still sales are declining with hundreds of thousands each year.zekere

wow grasping for straws much

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="millerlight89"] Uh, no one is saying that a console compared to a similar PC wouldn't offer better performance. The thing is, PC hardware is already far ahead of these new consoles it's a pointless topic. Bebi_vegeta

PC has superior hardware available, it's up to the user if they want it.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] By end of the year maybe 10mil? And how many would own a titan sli by that time? 5?gpuking

You don't need Titan SLI to have something better then PS4. Also, I think AMD will have something new aswell.

Ofc its single digits considering there's billions of PC's in the world.

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

You don't need Titan SLI to have something better then PS4. Also, I think AMD will have something new aswell.

Bebi_vegeta

A single 670 is still better... no matter if the numer is small now, it's only going to grow... that's how technologie works. Even when the PS4 is released, people will still play with the Wii, Xbox and PS3.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] What's pointless here is the so called much superior pc hardware, since hardly anyone has one, it simply creates a falsified impression of pc gaming.gpuking

PC has superior hardware available, it's up to the user if they want it.

What's sitting at 1% of the market ?

Because some people don't need it while others do.

PC is upgradable, it's one of it's biggest advantage... the power is in the hands of the user.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] Yeah, you didn't get the point did you? 670,680 sli, whatever. The percentage is still single digits if not less.gpuking

A single 670 is still better... no matter if the numer is small now, it's only going to grow... that's how technologie works. Even when the PS4 is released, people will still play with the Wii, Xbox and PS3.

7850 sli??

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-metro-last-light

Metro Last Light's chief technical officer Oles Shishkovstovfrom 4A confirms what John Carmack has been saying all along.

No, you just cannot compare consoles to PC directly. Consoles could do at least 2x what a comparable PC can due to the fixed platform and low-level access to hardware.  gpuking

He also strongly praised PS4's hardware,

We are talking PS4, right? I am very excited about both CPU and GPU. Jaguar is a pretty well-balanced out-of-order core and there are eight of them inside. I always wanted a lot of relatively-low-power cores instead of single super-high-performance one, because it's easier to simply parallelise something instead of changing core-algorithms or chasing every cycle inside critical code segment (not that we don't do that, but very often we can avoid it).

Many beefier cores would be even better, but then we'll be left without a GPU! With regards the graphics core, it's great, simply great. It's a modern-age high-performance compute device with unified memory and multiple compute-contexts. The possibilities of CPU-GPU-CPU communication are endless, we can easily expect games doing, for example, AI pathfinding/route planning executing on GPU to become a common thing.

There are some things which are just more efficient to do on massively parallel machines like GPUs are. I think that at least initially, with launch titles, the GPU-Compute will be underutilised, but during console's lifetime we'll see more and more unbelievable and innovative things purely thanks to GPUs.

I guess Metro LL would run at least Maximum level with some level of tessellation on PS4 at 1080p since a  7850 sli rig should handle more than that.

does one in this day n age even exist?

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

A single 670 is still better... no matter if the numer is small now, it's only going to grow... that's how technologie works. Even when the PS4 is released, people will still play with the Wii, Xbox and PS3.

Snugenz

7850 sli??