LOL Hermits get insulted over nothing. So over sensitive it simply is pathetic. The dev clearly says NOT to compare the platforms.razu2444
but this is system wars
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[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]
I tell hermits about Optimization for console and how much better and easier it is for games. They never listen. They just look at PC hardware specs and compare it to Console. Johnathan Blow has said it, John Carmack, Uncharted Devs and now Metro Devs. Nope hermits will never listen, just have to wait for games to speak for them selves.
lostrib
and then PC games look better.Â
In comparison to the PS4?[QUOTE="lostrib"][QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]
I tell hermits about Optimization for console and how much better and easier it is for games. They never listen. They just look at PC hardware specs and compare it to Console. Johnathan Blow has said it, John Carmack, Uncharted Devs and now Metro Devs. Nope hermits will never listen, just have to wait for games to speak for them selves.
Human-after-all
and then PC games look better.Â
In comparison to the PS4?like the physical console? I don't know. That's kind of an odd comparison
In comparison to the PS4?[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="lostrib"]
and then PC games look better.Â
lostrib
like the physical console? I don't know. That's kind of an odd comparison
My apologies, I mean in comparison to PS4 games; I was going to say we have hardly seen any PS4 games so that would be a bold claim to make.Well naturally if you properly vectorise the eggs and parallelize sausage pathfinding routines you can achieve at least twice the breakfast satisfaction. Not to mention 8 Gigantic Big-a-bites of mutton.Â
[QUOTE="lostrib"][QUOTE="Human-after-all"] In comparison to the PS4?Human-after-all
like the physical console? I don't know. That's kind of an odd comparison
My apologies, I mean in comparison to PS4 games; I was going to say we have hardly seen any PS4 games so that would be a bold claim to make.There is nothing on the PC that can hold Deep downs Jock. Everybody wants to bring up KZ:SF and thats fine , KZ:SF looked great also but it did look very early in development. ( Notice how lots of the soliders looked exactly the same). I thought it looked good but it will look better when its done.
My apologies, I mean in comparison to PS4 games; I was going to say we have hardly seen any PS4 games so that would be a bold claim to make.[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="lostrib"]
like the physical console? I don't know. That's kind of an odd comparison
AM-Gamer
There is nothing on the PC that can hold Deep downs Jock. Everybody wants to bring up KZ:SF and thats fine , KZ:SF looked great also but it did look very early in development. ( Notice how lots of the soliders looked exactly the same). I thought it looked good but it will look better when its done.
There's no PS4 game out...
My apologies, I mean in comparison to PS4 games; I was going to say we have hardly seen any PS4 games so that would be a bold claim to make.[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="lostrib"]
like the physical console? I don't know. That's kind of an odd comparison
AM-Gamer
There is nothing on the PC that can hold Deep downs Jock. Everybody wants to bring up KZ:SF and thats fine , KZ:SF looked great also but it did look very early in development. ( Notice how lots of the soliders looked exactly the same). I thought it looked good but it will look better when its done.
Really? Kilkzone 2 arguably ended up looking worse than the early footage. As did Crysis on pc. I'll reserve judgment until I see it. I don't fall for Developer BS, I use my own eyes. Even when they claim its running on the hardware.LOL at these consolites, Pretending as if pc has nothing that looks better than ps4 launch titles, Yet ignores crysis 3 on pc which already LOOKS BETTER THAN NEXT GEN HAS TO OFFER. Â Â Â Then they want to talk about ps4 gameplay demos that have all been confirmed to be running on PC's . These consolites are just laughable
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Mark Rein Vice President and Co-Founder of Epic Games.  One of the key guys in the creation of the unreal engine, You know, that engine that almost every game uses?   Consolites make me laugh. Keep pretending your console can keep up with pc  , Keep believing in your imaginary GOD/GODS. Pray to them.
I dunno, I mean there were a couple of Xbox 360 games that were definitely on a par with pc games at launch. Maybe even better. Gears of War for example. Again this was due more to the use of newer graphics engines and more advanced techniques rather than power of the system . We may well see the same again, for the first few months at least.LOL at these consolites, Pretending as if pc has nothing that looks better than ps4 launch titles, Yet ignores crysis 3 on pc which already LOOKS BETTER THAN NEXT GEN HAS TO OFFER. Â Â Â Then they want to talk about ps4 gameplay demos that have all been confirmed to be running on PC's . These consolites are just laughable
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Mark Rein Vice President and Co-Founder of Epic Games.  One of the key guys in the creation of the unreal engine, You know, that engine that almost every game uses?   Consolites make me laugh. Keep pretending your console can keep up with pc  , Keep believing in your imaginary GOD/GODS. Pray to them.
lunar1122
[QUOTE="lostrib"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]
what about the xbox1, since it's 40 times more powerful!?
Chutebox
lol, no
was in jest (and response to a troll).Oh in that case. Lulz PS4! XBOX WON has cloud computing. Â 40x times more powerful than PC! 1080p, 60FPS confirmed!
Last time I checked 7850 sli is faster than a single 670. And a single 670 is nowhere near leaps and bounds faster than a ps4 in real world performance.[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
A single 670 is still better... no matter if the numer is small now, it's only going to grow... that's how technologie works. Even when the PS4 is released, people will still play with the Wii, Xbox and PS3.
ronvalencia
On what games? Why not compare 7850 CF against 7970? This reduces game code bias factors between GPU vendors.
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Normal 7970 is still faster than normal 7850 CF.
Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.[QUOTE="lunar1122"]Gears of War came out a year after launch, but pgr3, kameo, condemned, cod2, etc. were very comparable with the best looking pc games(f.e.a.r.) at the time. Resolution aside... I dunno, I mean there were a couple of Xbox 360 games that were definitely on a par with pc games at launch. Maybe even better. Gears of War for example. Again this was due more to the use of newer graphics engines and more advanced techniques rather than power of the system . We may well see the same again, for the first few months at least.LOL at these consolites, Pretending as if pc has nothing that looks better than ps4 launch titles, Yet ignores crysis 3 on pc which already LOOKS BETTER THAN NEXT GEN HAS TO OFFER. Â Â Â Then they want to talk about ps4 gameplay demos that have all been confirmed to be running on PC's . These consolites are just laughable
Â
Mark Rein Vice President and Co-Founder of Epic Games.  One of the key guys in the creation of the unreal engine, You know, that engine that almost every game uses?   Consolites make me laugh. Keep pretending your console can keep up with pc  , Keep believing in your imaginary GOD/GODS. Pray to them.
Frozzik
[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"][QUOTE="Human-after-all"] My apologies, I mean in comparison to PS4 games; I was going to say we have hardly seen any PS4 games so that would be a bold claim to make.Frozzik
There is nothing on the PC that can hold Deep downs Jock. Everybody wants to bring up KZ:SF and thats fine , KZ:SF looked great also but it did look very early in development. ( Notice how lots of the soliders looked exactly the same). I thought it looked good but it will look better when its done.
Really? Kilkzone 2 arguably ended up looking worse than the early footage. As did Crysis on pc. I'll reserve judgment until I see it. I don't fall for Developer BS, I use my own eyes. Even when they claim its running on the hardware.KZ2 final gameplay footage looked better , the only thing it looked worse then was the CGI trailer and it even beat that in many ways.
[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]
[QUOTE="gpuking"] Last time I checked 7850 sli is faster than a single 670. And a single 670 is nowhere near leaps and bounds faster than a ps4 in real world performance.mitu123
On what games? Why not compare 7850 CF against 7970? This reduces game code bias factors between GPU vendors.
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Normal 7970 is still faster than normal 7850 CF.
Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.Look at the first cards... 2GB
Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.[QUOTE="mitu123"]
[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]
On what games? Why not compare 7850 CF against 7970? This reduces game code bias factors between GPU vendors.
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Normal 7970 is still faster than normal 7850 CF.
Bebi_vegeta
Look at the first cards... 2GB
Yes, and they're the bottleneck, AVP is very VRAM hungry after all.Remember when the PS3 came out and deluded cows were creaming over "TEH CELL"
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yeah nah, a HD 7770 GPU and a tablet CPU is not "2x" powerful than a mid or high end rig
[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]
[QUOTE="gpuking"] Last time I checked 7850 sli is faster than a single 670. And a single 670 is nowhere near leaps and bounds faster than a ps4 in real world performance.mitu123
On what games? Why not compare 7850 CF against 7970? This reduces game code bias factors between GPU vendors.
Â
Â
Normal 7970 is still faster than normal 7850 CF.
Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.But the 4gb one also comes with a decent stock overclock so it could also be that.
He's basically saying they can get 2x the normal performance for a console game with the same hardware as a PC because it's a closed system. Which is true.Remember when the PS3 came out and deluded cows were creaming over "TEH CELL"
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yeah nah, a HD 7770 GPU and a tablet CPU is not "2x" powerful than a mid or high end rig
ClassicRockFTW
Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.[QUOTE="mitu123"]
[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]
On what games? Why not compare 7850 CF against 7970? This reduces game code bias factors between GPU vendors.
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Normal 7970 is still faster than normal 7850 CF.
glez13
But the 4gb one also comes with a decent stock overclock so it could also be that.
I would hope so since it's non-reference, but there is surely a VRAM bottleneck somewhere.[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="mitu123"]Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.
mitu123
Look at the first cards... 2GB
Yes, and they're the bottleneck, AVP is very VRAM hungry after all.How is it bottleneck... they prove its not... Look at SLI 660 2GB
[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]He's basically saying they can get 2x the normal performance for a console game with the same hardware as a PC because it's a closed system. Which is true.Remember when the PS3 came out and deluded cows were creaming over "TEH CELL"
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yeah nah, a HD 7770 GPU and a tablet CPU is not "2x" powerful than a mid or high end rig
tagyhag
How is true ? Have we some factual numbers ? I think we need to wait and see.
Yes, and they're the bottleneck, AVP is very VRAM hungry after all.[QUOTE="mitu123"]
[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
Look at the first cards... 2GB
Bebi_vegeta
How is it bottleneck... they prove its not... Look at SLI 660 2GB
This game must perform better on Nvidia cards then.O_o[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="mitu123"]Yes, and they're the bottleneck, AVP is very VRAM hungry after all.
mitu123
How is it bottleneck... they prove its not... Look at SLI 660 2GB
This game must perform better on Nvidia cards then.O_oAnd obviously not a vram bottle neck at 2gb...
[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="mitu123"]Yes, and they're the bottleneck, AVP is very VRAM hungry after all.
mitu123
How is it bottleneck... they prove its not... Look at SLI 660 2GB
This game must perform better on Nvidia cards then.O_owell between the CF 7850s there is only a 6fps difference between 2gb and 4gb. Â Which could easily be contributed to the factory overclock of the 4gb cards
This game must perform better on Nvidia cards then.O_o[QUOTE="mitu123"]
[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
How is it bottleneck... they prove its not... Look at SLI 660 2GB
lostrib
well between the CF 7850s there is only a 6fps difference between 2gb and 4gb. Â Which could easily be contributed to the factory overclock of the 4gb cards
Damn, maybe you guys are right after all, though why 660 Ti SLI is ways ahead of 7850 Crossfire I would never know...[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="mitu123"]This game must perform better on Nvidia cards then.O_o
mitu123
And obviously not a vram bottle neck at 2gb...
For Nvidia it's not.:PÂ
lol that's not how it works... not magic vram.
this makes the PS4 a little bit more interesting. Â But I already have a PC that is already 2x as powerful as a comparable PC to the PS4. Â They gotta show me games because my PC will only get stronger in the future.
The PS4 is using PC architecture/dev kits so I really doubt you can get 2x the power (maybe last gen but not this one)
[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]He's basically saying they can get 2x the normal performance for a console game with the same hardware as a PC because it's a closed system. Which is true.Remember when the PS3 came out and deluded cows were creaming over "TEH CELL"
Â
yeah nah, a HD 7770 GPU and a tablet CPU is not "2x" powerful than a mid or high end rig
tagyhag
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But its not. Even the GPUs the 360 and PS3 was based on performed better on PCs than the closed platformed consoles/
He's basically saying they can get 2x the normal performance for a console game with the same hardware as a PC because it's a closed system. Which is true.[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]
Remember when the PS3 came out and deluded cows were creaming over "TEH CELL"
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yeah nah, a HD 7770 GPU and a tablet CPU is not "2x" powerful than a mid or high end rig
ClassicRockFTW
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But its not. Even the GPUs the 360 and PS3 was based on performed better on PCs than the closed platformed consoles/
What are you talking about?
[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"]Games now are so UNcpu heavy my 10 year old pc with a modern graphics card will still piss on ps4 or xbone.glez13
Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?
This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard.[QUOTE="glez13"][QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"]Games now are so UNcpu heavy my 10 year old pc with a modern graphics card will still piss on ps4 or xbone.oldgamesbetter
Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?
This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard. baaaaaaaaaaaaan[QUOTE="glez13"][QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"]Games now are so UNcpu heavy my 10 year old pc with a modern graphics card will still piss on ps4 or xbone.oldgamesbetter
Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?
This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard.LOL
This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard.[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"][QUOTE="glez13"]
Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?
glez13
LOL
socket 939[QUOTE="glez13"][QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"]Games now are so UNcpu heavy my 10 year old pc with a modern graphics card will still piss on ps4 or xbone.oldgamesbetter
Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?
This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard. I see you are back,HeeWee. How's life treating you?[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"][QUOTE="glez13"]This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard. I see you are back,HeeWee. How's life treating you? 2014 officially be 10 year old cpu running crysis 3 on max.Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?
call_of_duty_10
[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]
[QUOTE="tagyhag"] He's basically saying they can get 2x the normal performance for a console game with the same hardware as a PC because it's a closed system. Which is true.glez13
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But its not. Even the GPUs the 360 and PS3 was based on performed better on PCs than the closed platformed consoles/
What are you talking about?
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Pretty straightforward...
[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"] I see you are back,HeeWee. How's life treating you?call_of_duty_102014 officially be 10 year old cpu running crysis 3 on max. :lol: And this is why I enjoy reading your posts!You don't give a single f*ck about the topic or the posts in it!I seriously wonder how many accounts this guy has.:lol:
:lol: And this is why I enjoy reading your posts!You don't give a single f*ck about the topic or the posts in it!I seriously wonder how many accounts this guy has.:lol: lol[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"][QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"] 2014 officially be 10 year old cpu running crysis 3 on max.mitu123
Heewee,how many accounts have you created on GS so far?:o
*anticipating a reply that isn't related to the question in any way*
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