Metro LL's chief technical officer cofirms PS4 2x comparable PC in power.

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#201 lostrib
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LOL Hermits get insulted over nothing. So over sensitive it simply is pathetic. The dev clearly says NOT to compare the platforms.razu2444

but this is system wars

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#202 Human-after-all
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[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]

I tell hermits about Optimization for console and how much better and easier it is for games. They never listen. They just look at PC hardware specs and compare it to Console. Johnathan Blow has said it, John Carmack, Uncharted Devs and now Metro Devs. Nope hermits will never listen, just have to wait for games to speak for them selves.

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and then PC games look better. 

In comparison to the PS4?
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#203 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]

I tell hermits about Optimization for console and how much better and easier it is for games. They never listen. They just look at PC hardware specs and compare it to Console. Johnathan Blow has said it, John Carmack, Uncharted Devs and now Metro Devs. Nope hermits will never listen, just have to wait for games to speak for them selves.

Human-after-all

and then PC games look better. 

In comparison to the PS4?

like the physical console? I don't know. That's kind of an odd comparison

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#204 Human-after-all
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[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

and then PC games look better. 

lostrib

In comparison to the PS4?

like the physical console? I don't know. That's kind of an odd comparison

My apologies, I mean in comparison to PS4 games; I was going to say we have hardly seen any PS4 games so that would be a bold claim to make.
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#205 gamecubepad
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Well naturally if you properly vectorise the eggs and parallelize sausage pathfinding routines you can achieve at least twice the breakfast satisfaction. Not to mention 8 Gigantic Big-a-bites of mutton. 

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#206 AM-Gamer
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] In comparison to the PS4?Human-after-all

like the physical console? I don't know. That's kind of an odd comparison

My apologies, I mean in comparison to PS4 games; I was going to say we have hardly seen any PS4 games so that would be a bold claim to make.

There is nothing on the PC that can hold Deep downs Jock. Everybody wants to bring up KZ:SF and thats fine , KZ:SF looked great also but it did look very early in development. ( Notice how lots of the soliders looked exactly the same). I thought it looked good but it will look better when its done.

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#207 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

like the physical console? I don't know. That's kind of an odd comparison

AM-Gamer

My apologies, I mean in comparison to PS4 games; I was going to say we have hardly seen any PS4 games so that would be a bold claim to make.

There is nothing on the PC that can hold Deep downs Jock. Everybody wants to bring up KZ:SF and thats fine , KZ:SF looked great also but it did look very early in development. ( Notice how lots of the soliders looked exactly the same). I thought it looked good but it will look better when its done.

There's no PS4 game out...

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[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

like the physical console? I don't know. That's kind of an odd comparison

AM-Gamer

My apologies, I mean in comparison to PS4 games; I was going to say we have hardly seen any PS4 games so that would be a bold claim to make.

There is nothing on the PC that can hold Deep downs Jock. Everybody wants to bring up KZ:SF and thats fine , KZ:SF looked great also but it did look very early in development. ( Notice how lots of the soliders looked exactly the same). I thought it looked good but it will look better when its done.

Really? Kilkzone 2 arguably ended up looking worse than the early footage. As did Crysis on pc. I'll reserve judgment until I see it. I don't fall for Developer BS, I use my own eyes. Even when they claim its running on the hardware.
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#209 lunar1122
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LOL at these consolites, Pretending as if pc has nothing that looks better than ps4 launch titles, Yet ignores crysis 3 on pc which already LOOKS BETTER THAN NEXT GEN HAS TO OFFER.      Then they want to talk about ps4 gameplay demos that have all been confirmed to be running on PC's . These consolites are just laughable

 

Mark Rein Vice President and Co-Founder of Epic Games.  One of the key guys in the creation of the unreal engine, You know, that engine that almost every game uses?     Consolites make me laugh. Keep pretending your console can keep up with pc  , Keep believing in your imaginary GOD/GODS. Pray to them.

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#210 Chutebox
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what about the xbox1, since it's 40 times more powerful!?

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#211 lostrib
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what about the xbox1, since it's 40 times more powerful!?

Chutebox

lol, no

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#212 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

what about the xbox1, since it's 40 times more powerful!?

lostrib

lol, no

was in jest (and response to a troll).
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LOL at these consolites, Pretending as if pc has nothing that looks better than ps4 launch titles, Yet ignores crysis 3 on pc which already LOOKS BETTER THAN NEXT GEN HAS TO OFFER.      Then they want to talk about ps4 gameplay demos that have all been confirmed to be running on PC's . These consolites are just laughable

 

Mark Rein Vice President and Co-Founder of Epic Games.  One of the key guys in the creation of the unreal engine, You know, that engine that almost every game uses?     Consolites make me laugh. Keep pretending your console can keep up with pc  , Keep believing in your imaginary GOD/GODS. Pray to them.

lunar1122
I dunno, I mean there were a couple of Xbox 360 games that were definitely on a par with pc games at launch. Maybe even better. Gears of War for example. Again this was due more to the use of newer graphics engines and more advanced techniques rather than power of the system . We may well see the same again, for the first few months at least.
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#214 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

what about the xbox1, since it's 40 times more powerful!?

Chutebox

lol, no

was in jest (and response to a troll).

Oh in that case. Lulz PS4! XBOX WON has cloud computing.  40x times more powerful than PC! 1080p, 60FPS confirmed!

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[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

A single 670 is still better... no matter if the numer is small now, it's only going to grow... that's how technologie works. Even when the PS4 is released, people will still play with the Wii, Xbox and PS3.

ronvalencia

Last time I checked 7850 sli is faster than a single 670. And a single 670 is nowhere near leaps and bounds faster than a ps4 in real world performance.

On what games? Why not compare 7850 CF against 7970? This reduces game code bias factors between GPU vendors.

 

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Normal 7970 is still faster than normal 7850 CF.

Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.

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#216 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="lunar1122"]

LOL at these consolites, Pretending as if pc has nothing that looks better than ps4 launch titles, Yet ignores crysis 3 on pc which already LOOKS BETTER THAN NEXT GEN HAS TO OFFER.      Then they want to talk about ps4 gameplay demos that have all been confirmed to be running on PC's . These consolites are just laughable

 

Mark Rein Vice President and Co-Founder of Epic Games.  One of the key guys in the creation of the unreal engine, You know, that engine that almost every game uses?     Consolites make me laugh. Keep pretending your console can keep up with pc  , Keep believing in your imaginary GOD/GODS. Pray to them.

Frozzik
Gears of War came out a year after launch, but pgr3, kameo, condemned, cod2, etc. were very comparable with the best looking pc games(f.e.a.r.) at the time. Resolution aside... I dunno, I mean there were a couple of Xbox 360 games that were definitely on a par with pc games at launch. Maybe even better. Gears of War for example. Again this was due more to the use of newer graphics engines and more advanced techniques rather than power of the system . We may well see the same again, for the first few months at least.

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#217 AM-Gamer
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[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] My apologies, I mean in comparison to PS4 games; I was going to say we have hardly seen any PS4 games so that would be a bold claim to make.Frozzik

There is nothing on the PC that can hold Deep downs Jock. Everybody wants to bring up KZ:SF and thats fine , KZ:SF looked great also but it did look very early in development. ( Notice how lots of the soliders looked exactly the same). I thought it looked good but it will look better when its done.

Really? Kilkzone 2 arguably ended up looking worse than the early footage. As did Crysis on pc. I'll reserve judgment until I see it. I don't fall for Developer BS, I use my own eyes. Even when they claim its running on the hardware.

KZ2 final gameplay footage looked better , the only thing it looked worse then was the CGI trailer and it even beat that in many ways.

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#218 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] Last time I checked 7850 sli is faster than a single 670. And a single 670 is nowhere near leaps and bounds faster than a ps4 in real world performance.mitu123

On what games? Why not compare 7850 CF against 7970? This reduces game code bias factors between GPU vendors.

 

AvP_02.png

 

Normal 7970 is still faster than normal 7850 CF.

Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.

Look at the first cards... 2GB

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#219 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

On what games? Why not compare 7850 CF against 7970? This reduces game code bias factors between GPU vendors.

 

AvP_02.png

 

Normal 7970 is still faster than normal 7850 CF.

Bebi_vegeta

Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.

Look at the first cards... 2GB

Yes, and they're the bottleneck, AVP is very VRAM hungry after all.

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#220 ClassicRockFTW
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Remember when the PS3 came out and deluded cows were creaming over "TEH CELL"

 

yeah nah, a HD 7770 GPU and a tablet CPU is not "2x" powerful than a mid or high end rig

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#221 glez13
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] Last time I checked 7850 sli is faster than a single 670. And a single 670 is nowhere near leaps and bounds faster than a ps4 in real world performance.mitu123

On what games? Why not compare 7850 CF against 7970? This reduces game code bias factors between GPU vendors.

 

AvP_02.png

 

Normal 7970 is still faster than normal 7850 CF.

Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.

But the 4gb one also comes with a decent stock overclock so it could also be that.

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#222 tagyhag
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Remember when the PS3 came out and deluded cows were creaming over "TEH CELL"

 

yeah nah, a HD 7770 GPU and a tablet CPU is not "2x" powerful than a mid or high end rig

ClassicRockFTW
He's basically saying they can get 2x the normal performance for a console game with the same hardware as a PC because it's a closed system. Which is true.
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#223 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

On what games? Why not compare 7850 CF against 7970? This reduces game code bias factors between GPU vendors.

 

AvP_02.png

 

Normal 7970 is still faster than normal 7850 CF.

glez13

Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.

But the 4gb one also comes with a decent stock overclock so it could also be that.

I would hope so since it's non-reference, but there is surely a VRAM bottleneck somewhere.

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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]Looks like the VRAM is the bottleneck there, even at 1200p AVP took over 2.3GB, so I can imagine how high it is at 5760x1080. While the 2GB 7850s have more power combined than the 7970, the 2GB bottlenecks it which means it'll have lesser FPS than the 7970. The 4GB ones are a bit faster due to the extra VRAM, confirming that this is a VRAM hungry game.

mitu123

Look at the first cards... 2GB

Yes, and they're the bottleneck, AVP is very VRAM hungry after all.

How is it bottleneck... they prove its not... Look at SLI 660 2GB

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#225 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

Remember when the PS3 came out and deluded cows were creaming over "TEH CELL"

 

yeah nah, a HD 7770 GPU and a tablet CPU is not "2x" powerful than a mid or high end rig

tagyhag

He's basically saying they can get 2x the normal performance for a console game with the same hardware as a PC because it's a closed system. Which is true.

How is true ? Have we some factual numbers ? I think we need to wait and see.

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#226 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Look at the first cards... 2GB

Bebi_vegeta

Yes, and they're the bottleneck, AVP is very VRAM hungry after all.

How is it bottleneck... they prove its not... Look at SLI 660 2GB

This game must perform better on Nvidia cards then.O_o

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#227 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]Yes, and they're the bottleneck, AVP is very VRAM hungry after all.

mitu123

How is it bottleneck... they prove its not... Look at SLI 660 2GB

This game must perform better on Nvidia cards then.O_o

And obviously not a vram bottle neck at 2gb...

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Games now are so UNcpu heavy my 10 year old pc with a modern graphics card will still piss on ps4 or xbone.
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#229 lostrib
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]Yes, and they're the bottleneck, AVP is very VRAM hungry after all.

mitu123

How is it bottleneck... they prove its not... Look at SLI 660 2GB

This game must perform better on Nvidia cards then.O_o

well between the CF 7850s there is only a 6fps difference between 2gb and 4gb.  Which could easily be contributed to the factory overclock of the 4gb cards

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#230 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

How is it bottleneck... they prove its not... Look at SLI 660 2GB

Bebi_vegeta

This game must perform better on Nvidia cards then.O_o

And obviously not a vram bottle neck at 2gb...

For Nvidia it's not.:P

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#231 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

How is it bottleneck... they prove its not... Look at SLI 660 2GB

lostrib

This game must perform better on Nvidia cards then.O_o

well between the CF 7850s there is only a 6fps difference between 2gb and 4gb.  Which could easily be contributed to the factory overclock of the 4gb cards

Damn, maybe you guys are right after all, though why 660 Ti SLI is ways ahead of 7850 Crossfire I would never know...

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#232 glez13
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Games now are so UNcpu heavy my 10 year old pc with a modern graphics card will still piss on ps4 or xbone.oldgamesbetter

Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?

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#233 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]This game must perform better on Nvidia cards then.O_o

mitu123

And obviously not a vram bottle neck at 2gb...

For Nvidia it's not.:P

 

lol that's not how it works... not magic vram.

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#234 NFJSupreme
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this makes the PS4 a little bit more interesting.  But I already have a PC that is already 2x as powerful as a comparable PC to the PS4.  They gotta show me games because my PC will only get stronger in the future.

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The PS4 is using PC architecture/dev kits so I really doubt you can get 2x the power (maybe last gen but not this one)

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#236 ClassicRockFTW
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[QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

Remember when the PS3 came out and deluded cows were creaming over "TEH CELL"

 

yeah nah, a HD 7770 GPU and a tablet CPU is not "2x" powerful than a mid or high end rig

tagyhag

He's basically saying they can get 2x the normal performance for a console game with the same hardware as a PC because it's a closed system. Which is true.

 

But its not. Even the GPUs the 360 and PS3 was based on performed better on PCs than the closed platformed consoles/

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#237 glez13
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="ClassicRockFTW"]

Remember when the PS3 came out and deluded cows were creaming over "TEH CELL"

 

yeah nah, a HD 7770 GPU and a tablet CPU is not "2x" powerful than a mid or high end rig

ClassicRockFTW

He's basically saying they can get 2x the normal performance for a console game with the same hardware as a PC because it's a closed system. Which is true.

 

But its not. Even the GPUs the 360 and PS3 was based on performed better on PCs than the closed platformed consoles/

What are you talking about?

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[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"]Games now are so UNcpu heavy my 10 year old pc with a modern graphics card will still piss on ps4 or xbone.glez13

Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?

This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard.
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[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"]Games now are so UNcpu heavy my 10 year old pc with a modern graphics card will still piss on ps4 or xbone.oldgamesbetter

Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?

This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard.

baaaaaaaaaaaaan
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#240 glez13
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[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"]Games now are so UNcpu heavy my 10 year old pc with a modern graphics card will still piss on ps4 or xbone.oldgamesbetter

Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?

This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard.

LOL

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#241 oldgamesbetter
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[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"][QUOTE="glez13"]

Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?

glez13

This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard.

LOL

socket 939
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#242 call_of_duty_10
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[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"]Games now are so UNcpu heavy my 10 year old pc with a modern graphics card will still piss on ps4 or xbone.oldgamesbetter

Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?

This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard.

I see you are back,HeeWee. How's life treating you?
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#243 oldgamesbetter
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[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"][QUOTE="glez13"]

Was there PCI Express ten years ago? Wasn't it still AGP?

call_of_duty_10
This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard.

I see you are back,HeeWee. How's life treating you?

2014 officially be 10 year old cpu running crysis 3 on max.
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#244 lundy86_4
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Whoa! Why should we give a shit? PS4 comparable PC's aren't all that expensive at the moment, and will be drastically cheaper at the PS4 release.

inb4: "But dah 8gb GDDR5 :o"

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#245 ClassicRockFTW
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"] He's basically saying they can get 2x the normal performance for a console game with the same hardware as a PC because it's a closed system. Which is true.glez13

 

But its not. Even the GPUs the 360 and PS3 was based on performed better on PCs than the closed platformed consoles/

What are you talking about?

 

Pretty straightforward...

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#246 call_of_duty_10
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[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"][QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"] This same cpu i had in a agp motherboard and put it into pci express SLI motherboard.

I see you are back,HeeWee. How's life treating you?

2014 officially be 10 year old cpu running crysis 3 on max.

:lol: And this is why I enjoy reading your posts!You don't give a single f*ck about the topic or the posts in it!
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#247 mitu123
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[QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"] I see you are back,HeeWee. How's life treating you?call_of_duty_10
2014 officially be 10 year old cpu running crysis 3 on max.

:lol: And this is why I enjoy reading your posts!You don't give a single f*ck about the topic or the posts in it!

I seriously wonder how many accounts this guy has.:lol:

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#248 clone01
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ITT: Hermit tears

NathanDrakeSwag
Yep. Laughter from idiotic fanboy comments like yours can indeed make people tear up.
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#249 call_of_duty_10
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[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"][QUOTE="oldgamesbetter"] 2014 officially be 10 year old cpu running crysis 3 on max.mitu123

:lol: And this is why I enjoy reading your posts!You don't give a single f*ck about the topic or the posts in it!

I seriously wonder how many accounts this guy has.:lol:

lol

Heewee,how many accounts have you created on GS so far?:o

*anticipating a reply that isn't related to the question in any way*

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#250 lostrib
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[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

ITT: Hermit tears

clone01

Yep. Laughter from idiotic fanboy comments like yours can indeed make people tear up.

the amount of stupid makes you want to cry?