MGS4 graphics! King of graphics on consoles!

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

ok, so lets then compare that to the character models for Uncharted and we'll see which looks better.

i will give you a hint: its not uncharted

ogvampire

lol. of course. you get one of the blurriest Gears pic to go against a cutscene from Uncharted, and still the character models in gears are ALOT more detailed.

That's not a cutscene..that's a melee move..

hm.... i dont remember the camera turning 45 degrees for those

lol, you obviously havent played the game then. I have, I dont own the game or a PS3, but I have played this game, and I remember what it looks like when a melee move is pulled off, the camera moves in for a cenimatic effect. FAKEBOY.

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]I love when cows say ''bu bu bu textures dont matter'' thats the new excuse because most of the ps3 games lack of texture datail, crysis couldnt look good as it is right now if it wasnt for the amazing textures detail it has.., textures are important just as is lighting and shadow effect,framerates and antialiasing and other graphical features.AgentH

lol Crysis again, ok, MGS4 >>>>>> Crysis overall. I am NOT saying MGS4 has better graphics I'm saying MGS4 overall is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better and I'd choose it over Crysis 1,2,3...and any other FPS.

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]I love when cows say ''bu bu bu textures dont matter'' thats the new excuse because most of the ps3 games lack of texture datail, crysis couldnt look good as it is right now if it wasnt for the amazing textures detail it has.., textures are important just as is lighting and shadow effect,framerates and antialiasing and other graphical features.AgentH

lol Crysis again, ok, MGS4 >>>>>> Crysis overall. I am NOT saying MGS4 has better graphics I'm saying MGS4 overall is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better and I'd choose it over Crysis 1,2,3...and any other FPS.

so you obviously enjoy boring games that let you play roughly 1/10 of the games length. I understand...:|

I for one would take a game that includes gameplay, great story and amazing sound as a total package. MGS only includes one of those, sound. The gameplay is stale and extremely boring and the story is so convoluted and rediculous that ONLY Kojima fanboys would say it's incredible.

[QUOTE="AgentH"]

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]I love when cows say ''bu bu bu textures dont matter'' thats the new excuse because most of the ps3 games lack of texture datail, crysis couldnt look good as it is right now if it wasnt for the amazing textures detail it has.., textures are important just as is lighting and shadow effect,framerates and antialiasing and other graphical features.Nedemis

lol Crysis again, ok, MGS4 >>>>>> Crysis overall. I am NOT saying MGS4 has better graphics I'm saying MGS4 overall is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better and I'd choose it over Crysis 1,2,3...and any other FPS.

so you obviously enjoy boring games that let you play roughly 1/10 of the games length. I understand...:|

I for one would take a game that includes gameplay, great story and amazing sound as a total package. MGS only includes one of those, sound. The gameplay is stale and extremely boring and the story is so convoluted and rediculous that ONLY Kojima fanboys would say it's incredible.

which is why it has such a huge following. The biggest reason I am buying a PS3, when I was going to buy a 360 instead (converted when I was informed at gamestop about the bundle, and was neutral to both to begin with).

And its not that convoluted, I was 9 when I played MGS1, 12 when I played MGS2, and I have been a fan of the series ever since. You are just simple minded, and can only get into casual games.

how long is it before the whole 6 hours of shooting the same bland, simple minded AI bot controlled aliens over and over again? How many devs will it take for people to stop milking this? it was good enough with halo, and gears, I sincerely wish we would not see any more of these this gen.

ok, so lets then compare that to the character models for Uncharted and we'll see which looks better.

i will give you a hint: its not uncharted

armymen4

lol. of course. you get one of the blurriest Gears pic to go against a cutscene from Uncharted, and still the character models in gears are ALOT more detailed.

That's not a cutscene..that's a melee move..

hm.... i dont remember the camera turning 45 degrees for those

lol, you obviously havent played the game then. I have, I dont own the game or a PS3, but I have played this game, and I remember what it looks like when a melee move is pulled off, the camera moves in for a cenimatic effect. FAKEBOY.

i have the demo. i only did the melee move like twice, melee sucks. i usually just go on a blasting rampage. lol.

my point still stands, gears character models are better than uncharted character models.

armymen4

so you obviously enjoy boring games that let you play roughly 1/10 of the games length. I understand...:|

I for one would take a game that includes gameplay, great story and amazing sound as a total package. MGS only includes one of those, sound. The gameplay is stale and extremely boring and the story is so convoluted and rediculous that ONLY Kojima fanboys would say it's incredible.

which is why it has such a huge following. The biggest reason I am buying a PS3, when I was going to buy a 360 instead (converted when I was informed at gamestop about the bundle, and was neutral to both to begin with).

And its not that convoluted, I was 9 when I played MGS1, 12 when I played MGS2, and I have been a fan of the series ever since. You are just simple minded, and can only get into casual games.

how long is it before the whole 6 hours of shooting the same bland, simple minded AI bot controlled aliens over and over again? How many devs will it take for people to stop milking this? it was good enough with halo, and gears, I sincerely wish we would not see any more of these this gen.

MGS4 is not much better. how realistic is it to "stealth" around in a freakin cardboard box :roll:

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="AgentH"]

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]I love when cows say ''bu bu bu textures dont matter'' thats the new excuse because most of the ps3 games lack of texture datail, crysis couldnt look good as it is right now if it wasnt for the amazing textures detail it has.., textures are important just as is lighting and shadow effect,framerates and antialiasing and other graphical features.armymen4

lol Crysis again, ok, MGS4 >>>>>> Crysis overall. I am NOT saying MGS4 has better graphics I'm saying MGS4 overall is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better and I'd choose it over Crysis 1,2,3...and any other FPS.

so you obviously enjoy boring games that let you play roughly 1/10 of the games length. I understand...:|

I for one would take a game that includes gameplay, great story and amazing sound as a total package. MGS only includes one of those, sound. The gameplay is stale and extremely boring and the story is so convoluted and rediculous that ONLY Kojima fanboys would say it's incredible.

which is why it has such a huge following. The biggest reason I am buying a PS3, when I was going to buy a 360 instead (converted when I was informed at gamestop about the bundle, and was neutral to both to begin with).

And its not that convoluted, I was 9 when I played MGS1, 12 when I played MGS2, and I have been a fan of the series ever since. You are just simple minded, and can only get into casual games.

how long is it before the whole 6 hours of shooting the same bland, simple minded AI bot controlled aliens over and over again? How many devs will it take for people to stop milking this? it was good enough with halo, and gears, I sincerely wish we would not see any more of these this gen.

you pretty much just defined MGS enemies and AI.

[QUOTE="armymen4"][QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="AgentH"]

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]I love when cows say ''bu bu bu textures dont matter'' thats the new excuse because most of the ps3 games lack of texture datail, crysis couldnt look good as it is right now if it wasnt for the amazing textures detail it has.., textures are important just as is lighting and shadow effect,framerates and antialiasing and other graphical features.AAllxxjjnn

lol Crysis again, ok, MGS4 >>>>>> Crysis overall. I am NOT saying MGS4 has better graphics I'm saying MGS4 overall is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better and I'd choose it over Crysis 1,2,3...and any other FPS.

so you obviously enjoy boring games that let you play roughly 1/10 of the games length. I understand...:|

I for one would take a game that includes gameplay, great story and amazing sound as a total package. MGS only includes one of those, sound. The gameplay is stale and extremely boring and the story is so convoluted and rediculous that ONLY Kojima fanboys would say it's incredible.

which is why it has such a huge following. The biggest reason I am buying a PS3, when I was going to buy a 360 instead (converted when I was informed at gamestop about the bundle, and was neutral to both to begin with).

And its not that convoluted, I was 9 when I played MGS1, 12 when I played MGS2, and I have been a fan of the series ever since. You are just simple minded, and can only get into casual games.

how long is it before the whole 6 hours of shooting the same bland, simple minded AI bot controlled aliens over and over again? How many devs will it take for people to stop milking this? it was good enough with halo, and gears, I sincerely wish we would not see any more of these this gen.

you pretty much just defined MGS enemies and AI.

MGS AI is much more power demanding and complex. You may think it is crappy, but look at the processing power required. look at everything that is going on. The enemies have to do all of this stuff, while in the games I described, like say, gears for example, the enimies you face are nothing more than bots that know only to blast the **** out of you, before you do. its the UT3 engine come on now, the engine that was built basically only for MP fun such as deathmatch, and playing against simple AI bots. the enemies in MGS4 are much smarter, and the system requires more processing power to run them, due to much more complex AI programs. and its not because of lazy programming, because , well, its kojima, 5 years went into producing this game, and they have spent soooooooo much time and effort in perfecting it.

which is why it has such a huge following. The biggest reason I am buying a PS3, when I was going to buy a 360 instead (converted when I was informed at gamestop about the bundle, and was neutral to both to begin with).

And its not that convoluted, I was 9 when I played MGS1, 12 when I played MGS2, and I have been a fan of the series ever since. You are just simple minded, and can only get into casual games.

how long is it before the whole 6 hours of shooting the same bland, simple minded AI bot controlled aliens over and over again? How many devs will it take for people to stop milking this? it was good enough with halo, and gears, I sincerely wish we would not see any more of these this gen.

armymen4

you pretty much just defined MGS enemies and AI.

MGS AI is much more power demanding and complex. You may think it is crappy, but look at the processing power required. look at everything that is going on. The enemies have to do all of this stuff, while in the games I described, like say, gears for example, the enimies you face are nothing more than bots that know only to blast the **** out of you, before you do. its the UT3 engine come on now, the engine that was built basically only for MP fun such as deathmatch, and playing against simple AI bots. the enemies in MGS4 are much smarter, and the system requires more processing power to run them, due to much more complex AI programs. and its not because of lazy programming, because , well, its kojima, 5 years went into producing this game, and they have spent soooooooo much time and effort in perfecting it.

you mean you wont be able to sneak around them in a cardboard box this time? :roll:

[QUOTE="armymen4"]

which is why it has such a huge following. The biggest reason I am buying a PS3, when I was going to buy a 360 instead (converted when I was informed at gamestop about the bundle, and was neutral to both to begin with).

And its not that convoluted, I was 9 when I played MGS1, 12 when I played MGS2, and I have been a fan of the series ever since. You are just simple minded, and can only get into casual games.

how long is it before the whole 6 hours of shooting the same bland, simple minded AI bot controlled aliens over and over again? How many devs will it take for people to stop milking this? it was good enough with halo, and gears, I sincerely wish we would not see any more of these this gen.

ogvampire

you pretty much just defined MGS enemies and AI.

MGS AI is much more power demanding and complex. You may think it is crappy, but look at the processing power required. look at everything that is going on. The enemies have to do all of this stuff, while in the games I described, like say, gears for example, the enimies you face are nothing more than bots that know only to blast the **** out of you, before you do. its the UT3 engine come on now, the engine that was built basically only for MP fun such as deathmatch, and playing against simple AI bots. the enemies in MGS4 are much smarter, and the system requires more processing power to run them, due to much more complex AI programs. and its not because of lazy programming, because , well, its kojima, 5 years went into producing this game, and they have spent soooooooo much time and effort in perfecting it.

you mean you wont be able to sneak around them in a cardboard box this time? :roll:

I give you serious logical information, and I wasnt even bashing the game, and all you can counter it with is downplaying the game with simple comments like that? FANBOY MUCH? thank you for showing how large of a thread MGS poses to you and your lemming brothers. Your (lemmings) fear of impending OWNAGE is showing so clearly right now its not even funny, being that it has a chance at getting a 10. not that it matters, but its funny all you can think of is that weak comment.

armymen4

MGS AI is much more power demanding and complex. You may think it is crappy, but look at the processing power required. look at everything that is going on. The enemies have to do all of this stuff, while in the games I described, like say, gears for example, the enimies you face are nothing more than bots that know only to blast the **** out of you, before you do. its the UT3 engine come on now, the engine that was built basically only for MP fun such as deathmatch, and playing against simple AI bots. the enemies in MGS4 are much smarter, and the system requires more processing power to run them, due to much more complex AI programs. and its not because of lazy programming, because , well, its kojima, 5 years went into producing this game, and they have spent soooooooo much time and effort in perfecting it.

you mean you wont be able to sneak around them in a cardboard box this time? :roll:

I give you serious logical information, and I wasnt even bashing the game, and all you can counter it with is downplaying the game with simple comments like that? FANBOY MUCH? thank you for showing how large of a thread MGS poses to you and your lemming brothers. Your (lemmings) fear of impending OWNAGE is showing so clearly right now its not even funny, being that it has a chance at getting a 10. not that it matters, but its funny all you can think of is that weak comment.

lemming?

PSN: ogvampire

anyway, my point was a great point. you talked about how the AI in MGS is so complex, yet you can get around them in a freakin cardboard box. seriously, thats gotta be a joke :|

Mass Effect character models looks much better.speedsix

LOL im sorry but no also take into account the framerate and the texture pop in was so horrendious that ME is no technical masterpeace.

[QUOTE="armymen4"]

ogvampire

MGS AI is much more power demanding and complex. You may think it is crappy, but look at the processing power required. look at everything that is going on. The enemies have to do all of this stuff, while in the games I described, like say, gears for example, the enimies you face are nothing more than bots that know only to blast the **** out of you, before you do. its the UT3 engine come on now, the engine that was built basically only for MP fun such as deathmatch, and playing against simple AI bots. the enemies in MGS4 are much smarter, and the system requires more processing power to run them, due to much more complex AI programs. and its not because of lazy programming, because , well, its kojima, 5 years went into producing this game, and they have spent soooooooo much time and effort in perfecting it.

you mean you wont be able to sneak around them in a cardboard box this time? :roll:

I give you serious logical information, and I wasnt even bashing the game, and all you can counter it with is downplaying the game with simple comments like that? FANBOY MUCH? thank you for showing how large of a thread MGS poses to you and your lemming brothers. Your (lemmings) fear of impending OWNAGE is showing so clearly right now its not even funny, being that it has a chance at getting a 10. not that it matters, but its funny all you can think of is that weak comment.

lemming?

PSN: ogvampire

anyway, my point was a great point. you talked about how the AI in MGS is so complex, yet you can get around them in a freakin cardboard box. seriously, thats gotta be a joke :|

last time I checked, camoflague was a real-world tactic. remaining stationary, you won't be spotted. you get made right away the moment you twitch in front of someone's line of sight.

the cardboard box in no way invalidates the AI. it is a form of trickery and deception on the battlefield, because soldiers are not going to pay attention to a plain cardboard box when they have their objectives in mind.

[QUOTE="armymen4"]

ok, so lets then compare that to the character models for Uncharted and we'll see which looks better.

i will give you a hint: its not uncharted

ogvampire

lol. of course. you get one of the blurriest Gears pic to go against a cutscene from Uncharted, and still the character models in gears are ALOT more detailed.

That's not a cutscene..that's a melee move..

hm.... i dont remember the camera turning 45 degrees for those

lol, you obviously havent played the game then. I have, I dont own the game or a PS3, but I have played this game, and I remember what it looks like when a melee move is pulled off, the camera moves in for a cenimatic effect. FAKEBOY.

i have the demo. i only did the melee move like twice, melee sucks. i usually just go on a blasting rampage. lol.

my point still stands, gears character models are better than uncharted character models.

Ok look at Marcus Fenix hair ( what little is shown ) and then look at Nathan Drake's hair,now tell me which one acutally looks like hair...

grafiKa-best,but best in this ga me is other

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i have the demo. i only did the melee move like twice, melee sucks. i usually just go on a blasting rampage. lol.

my point still stands, gears character models are better than uncharted character models.

ogvampire

No way man.

It looks nice, but hardly the best looking console game.

Killzone 2 is easily more of a graphical powerhorse, heck GeOW2 looks a tad better in its own way.

And this is comming from an MGS fan.

it looks great visually, but I dont think its on par with other games coming out later this year (GeOW2), or early next year (KZ2) to name 2 games which are always being brought up lately when discussing graphics on consoles..

Still i really find MGSIV visually impressive, and knowing the story will probably be great, the only question will be what new additions to gameplay there will be that lifts the game on a higher level than others..

But knowing how much work and effort was put by Kojima & his team, have no reasons to believe the game wont amaze fans and non-fans..

No-ne can beat Mass Effect in character face models.angelkimne

Heavenly Sword has the best facial animations Ive ever seen in a game, and ive played all of them

Nope, top 6 maybe but I think it will be gameplay king! ;)ragrdoll21

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

i have the demo. i only did the melee move like twice, melee sucks. i usually just go on a blasting rampage. lol.

my point still stands, gears character models are better than uncharted character models.

Chutebox

No way man.

great point :roll:

Mass Effect says hello

lemming?

PSN: ogvampire

anyway, my point was a great point. you talked about how the AI in MGS is so complex, yet you can get around them in a freakin cardboard box. seriously, thats gotta be a joke :|

Mordred19

last time I checked, camoflague was a real-world tactic. remaining stationary, you won't be spotted. you get made right away the moment you twitch in front of someone's line of sight.

the cardboard box in no way invalidates the AI. it is a form of trickery and deception on the battlefield, because soldiers are not going to pay attention to a plain cardboard box when they have their objectives in mind.

what objectives? they are patrolling, they walk around in a set path. plus the fact that the box is in a different place every time they walk by it should raise some concerns. sorry, but the AI isnt anymore complex than other games.

that looks mediocre at best

mingo123

mingo being negative about a PS3 game? Hmm, I'm starting to see a pattern.

And here come the stampede of lemming yelling "Nuh uh Gears 2 FTW! best lookin game EVA!"

ok, so lets then compare that to the character models for Uncharted and we'll see which looks better.

i will give you a hint: its not uncharted

sakura_Ex

lol, you obviously havent played the game then. I have, I dont own the game or a PS3, but I have played this game, and I remember what it looks like when a melee move is pulled off, the camera moves in for a cenimatic effect. FAKEBOY.

i have the demo. i only did the melee move like twice, melee sucks. i usually just go on a blasting rampage. lol.

my point still stands, gears character models are better than uncharted character models.

Ok look at Marcus Fenix hair ( what little is shown ) and then look at Nathan Drake's hair,now tell me which one acutally looks like hair...

is that the only things you guys can claim that looks better in uncharted than gears? uncharted guy has better hair? thats just sad. im talking about the character textures as a whole, but youre tryint to nitpick his hair :roll:

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]The graphics are certainly good, but it is simply out****d by the likes of Killzone 2, Gears, Uncharted, Mirror's Edge and Gran Turismo 5 Prologue.AgentH

I'm sorry man but Uncharted used to look good. And NO, uncharted characters models doesn't even come close to MGS4. Gears 2? are you kidding? It's an updated version of Gears 1. And prologue is freakin awesome in terms of graphics and is the best racing game to date but overall looks small when it comes to MGS4.

I like you don't become a fanboy Gears 1 has the best character models I have ever seen and part 2 from what has been shown is leagues above that.

MGS4 will look fantastic yes, But to think Gears 2 won't compare is idiotic.

[QUOTE="AgentH"]

WOW the difference is HUGE!

Gears 1:

Gears 2:

C_BozkurT_C

ROFL blind ignorance at best...do I really need to point the differences between the two.

[QUOTE="C_BozkurT_C"][QUOTE="AgentH"]

WOW the difference is HUGE!

Gears 1:

Gears 2:

Innovazero2000

ROFL blind ignorance at best...do I really need to point the differences between the two.

LOL, from those screens Gears 1 looks better.

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"][QUOTE="C_BozkurT_C"][QUOTE="AgentH"]

WOW the difference is HUGE!

Gears 1:

Gears 2:

black_awpN1

ROFL blind ignorance at best...do I really need to point the differences between the two.

LOL, from those screens Gears 1 looks better.

are you kidding me? How in any way shape or form. That gears 1 shot has a terribly blurry LOD/DOF system, with messy texture work.

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"][QUOTE="C_BozkurT_C"][QUOTE="AgentH"]

WOW the difference is HUGE!

Gears 1:

Gears 2:

black_awpN1

ROFL blind ignorance at best...do I really need to point the differences between the two.

LOL, from those screens Gears 1 looks better.

u nd to get your eyes checked.

I don't know why people showing negativity toward MGS4... everyone who played the game gave a very positive reviews so far.. it will one of the best and must own game that will be out this year.

Look at the comment made by Gamespot... "The game switched from the opening scene to gameplay at this point, which was impressively seamless and almost unnoticeable, had it not been for the life bar and other interfaces appearing on the screen. "

Here is a pic of Gears of War 1 for pc, whcih looks better, i think the game looks good on both the 360 and pc but pc does look overall better in image quality.

this game is going to be huge, next month and its on.Lo_Rising

no doubt...now, if i can just scrounge up the coin for a PS3.

I don't know why people showing negativity toward MGS4... everyone who played the game gave a very positive reviews so far.. it will one of the best and must own game that will be out this year.

Look at the comment made by Gamespot... "The game switched from the opening scene to gameplay at this point, which was impressively seamless and almost unnoticeable, had it not been for the life bar and other interfaces appearing on the screen. "

aka_aj03

the thing that people are arguing about is the claims that its the "best looking" videogame, which alot of people disagree with.

Most of the new games today use the lighting and shadow effects to improve graphics, not by using bigger textures. I doubt that Gears 2 uses higher textures than the first game, wich in my opinion fails in comparison with Uncharted, and the caracter models on MGS4 looks way better and cleaner. Also, remember that the Unreal Engine can deliver great caracter models with less power demand, so I have heard anyways. But MGS 4 will probably have more going on on screen at the same time, be longer and have better single player gameplay by a long shot. Martin_G_N

I doubt MGS4 is going to have more going on at once, MGS was never about scale.

The bottom line, both games will look good and both will be fun. So i see no real problem here other than petty fighting over a game that wont come out on the other console. Me I probably pickup the bundle with MGS4 and PS3 as a blue-ray player, and for the icing on the cake i can Play Gears on my pc, well when its out a year from now. Until than i can play Gears 1 on PC and have better graphics than 360version atleast.

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]Most of the new games today use the lighting and shadow effects to improve graphics, not by using bigger textures. I doubt that Gears 2 uses higher textures than the first game, wich in my opinion fails in comparison with Uncharted, and the caracter models on MGS4 looks way better and cleaner. Also, remember that the Unreal Engine can deliver great caracter models with less power demand, so I have heard anyways. But MGS 4 will probably have more going on on screen at the same time, be longer and have better single player gameplay by a long shot. Innovazero2000

I doubt MGS4 is going to have more going on at once, MGS was never about scale.

*drools* awsome shot. i personally think TC is stupid

1. because the shots he provided were CGI

2. because the screens and footage revealed of MGSIV so far look OK but not 'the graphics king'

*drools* awsome shot. i personally think TC is stupid

1. because the shots he provided were CGI

2. because the screens and footage revealed of MGSIV so far look OK but not 'the graphics king'

thegoldenpoo