MGS4 was downgraded so was the engine.

Go to game trailers and look at the comparison between the 2005 version vs the actual game. The actual game is multitudes better than the 2005 version. Anyways that article seems old; didn't look at the date, but it is old. For those who say mgs4 isn't the best looking console game is in denial. Comparing it to Uncharted it is better in most parts but others like chapter 2 while walking in the jungle nothing compares to Uncharted, except for crysis on the highest settings. Just face the facts, the ps3 is much more powerful than most of you want to admit.

gamewhat

MGS4 is one of my favorite games and the E3 2006 trailer had better looking character models, better animations, and better textures/lighting effects.

Who cares the game was still amazing.HarlockJC

Agreed.

lemmings talk about MGS 4 more than cows.xxThyLordxx

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

Thats why it has the most 80 scores on game rankings compared to Halo 3 or Gears.

And has a lower average than both on gamerankings.

Yeah I know we're on GS but do you really base your game decisions on 1 opinion.

-Ninja_Dog-

This is old news, and it's still AAA with "teh downgradez". Who cares, it came out great.

True.

But I'm concerned with some of the comments that MGS4 is not fun and boring.

I eventually get the PS3, maybe when they update the sorry arse controller, but I like to atleast rent MGS4 someday.

People that say MGS4 is "not fun and boring" (I';m being honest here, I've never even heard that about MGS4) are looking for a reason to hate it simply because of the system it's on. If it were multiplatform, we wouldn't hear nearly any of that kind of propanda. You don't see people attacking COD4 like HALO 3, because it's multiplat.

MGS4 got great scores almost everywhere because it's just a great game.Forget comparison's, and rumor. To actually play it at your own pace, take in all the secrets hidden in the game, and play your speed and difficulty, you see how good it is.

Playing at a friends house for 20 minutes while he's in the bathroom isn't the MGS4 experience. Those are the same people calling it "boring". They don't know what they are talking about.

Also, I thinkThe Batman: Dark Knight was boring with no action, because I saw 10 minutes of footage on YouTube and spoke to others that agree. Now I'm posting about it.

See, how that doesn't work? Who am I to judge Batman: Dark Knight without at least sitting down and watching it.

Confirm the reputation of the "Naysayers' Voices" before legitimizing them and later recalling their "MGS4 is Boring" comments.

Who's saying it's Boring? No one with Reputation. Whether it's posters, Websites, or Magazines.

Who's Saying it's Great? ALmost every reputable Poster, Website, and Magazine

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]Because PS3 is weaker than what was promised to Kojima.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/.../cedec_mgs.htm

the article is in japanese,but here's http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=49828 people discussing that article,so cows dont come here and say the game looks better than the 2005 trailer because it doesn't..it was downgraded and it came from the developers mouth.desyple

Uh, if it was DOWNGRADED, then what do you think it would have got at GS if it was released in it's original form, a "12"?

The "10" it got is okay, I guess.

The best exclusive game this generation was a downgraded one? Lord.

It was an amazing game. What PRAISE you are showering on KOJIMA, to be able to create such an experience on such limited hardware, MoVACA, lol.

this comment is full of win. congrats. you actually make sense and i wish the haters understand that if this game got a 10 supposedly downgradeed imagine what the scores would have been if it was at full power.

Thanks, sometimes my comments seem a bit too esoteric, and it's nice when it makes perfect sense to others.

Great game, I'm glad I got to Beat it on Hard, and find so many neat secrets.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Of course the design was scaled with MGS4 to the PS3s hardware.

Im sure it happened to Halo 3 as-well....

Developers rant about 'next gen possibilities' then get a kick in the balls when they realise exactly how limited the hardware resources really are.

nVidiaGaMer

Killzone 2 and Heavy Rain.

The games are yet to come out anyway, and from what has been shown is hardly anything groundbreaking. Even stuff like Heavy Rains advanced story telling was done to quite an extent in Fahrenheit, and the other is a pretty linear shooter...Its nothing that pushes the hyped hardware of the console in mind blowing directions as originally promised....

Killzone 2 is mindblowing the destruction, graphics, animations, lighting all look amazing.

It looks good, but it looks like something that can be done under the hardware constraints. Nothing that blows me away with the capabilities of the machine at all.

Besides its completely irrelevant to my first post mentioning what was said about MGS4 and Halo 3 prior to release.

Because PS3 is weaker than what was promised to Kojima.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/.../cedec_mgs.htm

the article is in japanese,but here's http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=49828 people discussing that article,so cows dont come here and say the game looks better than the 2005 trailer because it doesn't..it was downgraded and it came from the developers mouth.MojondeVACA

fantastic.

did you also know that halo 3 was in 640p?

boy, do i love throwing around useless information.

People can argue the power of either system all they want, but either way they are both pretty even. The only difference is Sony hyped the PS3 to oblivion about it's power and obviously it's just a next gen system.

It's so funny. People are still sore from MGS4 being better (score wise) than anything on their consoles. Normal people can accept this, or even embrace it, and play the game.

but some people. *shakes head* just can't accept it. Row, Row Fight The Powah!
0rin

[QUOTE="0rin"]It's so funny. People are still sore from MGS4 being better (score wise) than anything on their consoles. Normal people can accept this, or even embrace it, and play the game.

but some people. *shakes head* just can't accept it. Row, Row Fight The Powah!
Shafftehr

[QUOTE="gamewhat"]

Go to game trailers and look at the comparison between the 2005 version vs the actual game. The actual game is multitudes better than the 2005 version. Anyways that article seems old; didn't look at the date, but it is old. For those who say mgs4 isn't the best looking console game is in denial. Comparing it to Uncharted it is better in most parts but others like chapter 2 while walking in the jungle nothing compares to Uncharted, except for crysis on the highest settings. Just face the facts, the ps3 is much more powerful than most of you want to admit.

nVidiaGaMer

MGS4 is one of my favorite games and the E3 2006 trailer had better looking character models, better animations, and better textures/lighting effects.

LOL, whatever bro. I am sure you can go to gametrailers and find the comparison. There you will see first hand that the 2008 game has better lighting is better especially in the textures department and as for the animations well they are about the same. If you really look at it though both versions look almost exactly the same.gamewhat

Because PS3 is weaker than what was promised to Kojima.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/.../cedec_mgs.htm

the article is in japanese,but here's http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=49828 people discussing that article,so cows dont come here and say the game looks better than the 2005 trailer because it doesn't..it was downgraded and it came from the developers mouth.MojondeVACA

It looks better IMO. IGN thinks so too. So do all the video comparisons.

3 months later and you're still mad?rockguy92

lol owned

3 months later and you're still mad?rockguy92

[QUOTE="rockguy92"]3 months later and you're still mad?Haku_Ryushi

lol owned

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="0rin"]It's so funny. People are still sore from MGS4 being better (score wise) than anything on their consoles. Normal people can accept this, or even embrace it, and play the game.

but some people. *shakes head* just can't accept it. Row, Row Fight The Powah!
MojondeVACA

Because graphics make a great game

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="0rin"]It's so funny. People are still sore from MGS4 being better (score wise) than anything on their consoles. Normal people can accept this, or even embrace it, and play the game.

but some people. *shakes head* just can't accept it. Row, Row Fight The Powah!
MojondeVACA

Uh huh.

" Mind-blowing audiovisual presentation" - GS

10 Graphics
Incredibly detailed and visually breathtaking, with amazing camera angles, MGS4 is one of the most beautiful titles ever made. - IGN.

"There are sequences here that come close to fulfilling the promises of Sony's famously overblown Killzone 2 trailer" - Giant Bomb

"

" - Game informer.

Do you want me to keep going?

[QUOTE="rockguy92"]3 months later and you're still mad?MojondeVACA

Dude....the graphics for the final build look alot more crisp and polished than the 2005 trailer. Please. Just stop. Maybe the engine might of been toned down, but the graphics look better.

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="0rin"]It's so funny. People are still sore from MGS4 being better (score wise) than anything on their consoles. Normal people can accept this, or even embrace it, and play the game.

but some people. *shakes head* just can't accept it. Row, Row Fight The Powah!
Chutebox

Uh huh.

" Mind-blowing audiovisual presentation" - GS

10 Graphics
Incredibly detailed and visually breathtaking, with amazing camera angles, MGS4 is one of the most beautiful titles ever made. - IGN.

"There are sequences here that come close to fulfilling the promises of Sony's famously overblown Killzone 2 trailer" - Giant Bomb

"

" - Game informer.

Do you want me to keep going?

lol owned again

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="0rin"]It's so funny. People are still sore from MGS4 being better (score wise) than anything on their consoles. Normal people can accept this, or even embrace it, and play the game.

but some people. *shakes head* just can't accept it. Row, Row Fight The Powah!
DanteSuikoden

Because graphics make a great game

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="0rin"]It's so funny. People are still sore from MGS4 being better (score wise) than anything on their consoles. Normal people can accept this, or even embrace it, and play the game.

but some people. *shakes head* just can't accept it. Row, Row Fight The Powah!
Chutebox

Uh huh.

" Mind-blowing audiovisual presentation" - GS

10 Graphics
Incredibly detailed and visually breathtaking, with amazing camera angles, MGS4 is one of the most beautiful titles ever made. - IGN.

"There are sequences here that come close to fulfilling the promises of Sony's famously overblown Killzone 2 trailer" - Giant Bomb

"

" - Game informer.

Do you want me to keep going?

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="0rin"]It's so funny. People are still sore from MGS4 being better (score wise) than anything on their consoles. Normal people can accept this, or even embrace it, and play the game.

but some people. *shakes head* just can't accept it. Row, Row Fight The Powah!
MojondeVACA

Because graphics make a great game

Chutebox sumed up everything that needed to be said

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="0rin"]It's so funny. People are still sore from MGS4 being better (score wise) than anything on their consoles. Normal people can accept this, or even embrace it, and play the game.

but some people. *shakes head* just can't accept it. Row, Row Fight The Powah!
MojondeVACA

Uh huh.

" Mind-blowing audiovisual presentation" - GS

10 Graphics
Incredibly detailed and visually breathtaking, with amazing camera angles, MGS4 is one of the most beautiful titles ever made. - IGN.

"There are sequences here that come close to fulfilling the promises of Sony's famously overblown Killzone 2 trailer" - Giant Bomb

"

" - Game informer.

Do you want me to keep going?

What's funny is you're bringing up something with no point. The game supposedly doesn't look as good as the original build (which many disagree with btw, obviously), but it doesn't matter because of all the quotes I just gave you.

You're just trying to find a reason to hate the game and get people to agree with you.

That is all.

MGS4 looks crap, it didnt even need downgradingmingo123

Mingo....how many times are you going to troll? You do this in every thread that talks about PS3. Its getting old.

What's funny is you're bringing up something with no point. The game supposedly doesn't look as good as the original build (which many disagree with btw, obviously), but it doesn't matter because of all the quotes I just gave you.

You're just trying to find a reason to hate the game and get people to agree with you.

That is all.

Chutebox

No,what i posted was about the game engine and what the developers wanted the game to look like and they couln't because the ps3 wasnt what sony promised for them,i never said anything about the game,like gameplay graphics etc,you and the others are briging up scores because they can't counter back the article.MojondeVACA

Now you just changed your arguement. You said earlier that the GRAPHICS were also downgraded. Which isn't true by the way. It looks better than the 2005 trailer i saw.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

What's funny is you're bringing up something with no point. The game supposedly doesn't look as good as the original build (which many disagree with btw, obviously), but it doesn't matter because of all the quotes I just gave you.

You're just trying to find a reason to hate the game and get people to agree with you.

That is all.

MojondeVACA

What is there to counter? What is the point of this thread?

It wasn't what it was promised? So what? Why does that matter to us?

The facts are it STILL looks awesome and gets all the praise.

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

No,what i posted was about the game engine and what the developers wanted the game to look like and they couln't because the ps3 wasnt what sony promised for them,i never said anything about the game,like gameplay graphics etc,you and the others are briging up scores because they can't counter back the article.Haku_Ryushi

Now you just changed your arguement. You said earlier that the GRAPHICS were also downgraded. Which isn't true by the way. It looks better than the 2005 trailer i saw.

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

No,what i posted was about the game engine and what the developers wanted the game to look like and they couln't because the ps3 wasnt what sony promised for them,i never said anything about the game,like gameplay graphics etc,you and the others are briging up scores because they can't counter back the article.MojondeVACA

Now you just changed your arguement. You said earlier that the GRAPHICS were also downgraded. Which isn't true by the way. It looks better than the 2005 trailer i saw.

Devs? what devs. You have nothing to prove your point. I believe what I SEE and what i see is the final build looking better than the previous trailer. IGN, gametrailers think that aswell. Look at the comparisons. It shows it to you right in your face.

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

No,what i posted was about the game engine and what the developers wanted the game to look like and they couln't because the ps3 wasnt what sony promised for them,i never said anything about the game,like gameplay graphics etc,you and the others are briging up scores because they can't counter back the article.MojondeVACA

Now you just changed your arguement. You said earlier that the GRAPHICS were also downgraded. Which isn't true by the way. It looks better than the 2005 trailer i saw.

What are you hoping to prove from this thread?

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

No,what i posted was about the game engine and what the developers wanted the game to look like and they couln't because the ps3 wasnt what sony promised for them,i never said anything about the game,like gameplay graphics etc,you and the others are briging up scores because they can't counter back the article.DanteSuikoden

Now you just changed your arguement. You said earlier that the GRAPHICS were also downgraded. Which isn't true by the way. It looks better than the 2005 trailer i saw.

What are you hoping to prove from this thread?

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

No,what i posted was about the game engine and what the developers wanted the game to look like and they couln't because the ps3 wasnt what sony promised for them,i never said anything about the game,like gameplay graphics etc,you and the others are briging up scores because they can't counter back the article.Haku_Ryushi

Now you just changed your arguement. You said earlier that the GRAPHICS were also downgraded. Which isn't true by the way. It looks better than the 2005 trailer i saw.

Devs? what devs. You have nothing to prove your point. I believe what I SEE and what i see is the final build looking better than the previous trailer. IGN, gametrailers think that aswell. Look at the comparisons. It shows it to you right in your face.

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

No,what i posted was about the game engine and what the developers wanted the game to look like and they couln't because the ps3 wasnt what sony promised for them,i never said anything about the game,like gameplay graphics etc,you and the others are briging up scores because they can't counter back the article.Haku_Ryushi

Now you just changed your arguement. You said earlier that the GRAPHICS were also downgraded. Which isn't true by the way. It looks better than the 2005 trailer i saw.

Devs? what devs. You have nothing to prove your point. I believe what I SEE and what i see is the final build looking better than the previous trailer. IGN, gametrailers think that aswell. Look at the comparisons. It shows it to you right in your face.

lol wut? I never said anything about the score :| I wasn't talking about opinions either. I was stating facts.

lol wut? I never said anything about the score :| I wasn't talking about opinions either. I was stating facts.

Haku_Ryushi

[QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"]

lol wut? I never said anything about the score :| I wasn't talking about opinions either. I was stating facts.

MojondeVACA

So if i say that a ferrari looks better than a honda civic, im wrong because its just my opinion?

the same with all the stuff they showed!!

seems devs get lied to just as much as us gamers!

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

No,what i posted was about the game engine and what the developers wanted the game to look like and they couln't because the ps3 wasnt what sony promised for them,i never said anything about the game,like gameplay graphics etc,you and the others are briging up scores because they can't counter back the article.MojondeVACA

Now you just changed your arguement. You said earlier that the GRAPHICS were also downgraded. Which isn't true by the way. It looks better than the 2005 trailer i saw.

What are you hoping to prove from this thread?

[QUOTE="MojondeVACA"][QUOTE="Haku_Ryushi"][QUOTE="MojondeVACA"]

No,what i posted was about the game engine and what the developers wanted the game to look like and they couln't because the ps3 wasnt what sony promised for them,i never said anything about the game,like gameplay graphics etc,you and the others are briging up scores because they can't counter back the article.Haku_Ryushi

Now you just changed your arguement. You said earlier that the GRAPHICS were also downgraded. Which isn't true by the way. It looks better than the 2005 trailer i saw.

Devs? what devs. You have nothing to prove your point. I believe what I SEE and what i see is the final build looking better than the previous trailer. IGN, gametrailers think that aswell. Look at the comparisons. It shows it to you right in your face.

It's not bothering me, just that I fail to see what you're trying to prove. Ok the devs stated they downgraded the hardware.....and?:|

this was news before mgs4 released, so now its kinda pointless to say it, he said something along the lines of sony had told him that the ps3 would be more powerfull so he had bigger hopes for mgs4 then what the game ended up, some how people before figured that translated to say that he was dissapointed with mgs4, which he came out later to say he wasnt, so if the dev isnt dissapointed with the game then why should we be? :)linkin_guy109