Microsoft E3 2010 Press Conference + Kinect + Slim Xbox360 -KEEP IT HERE!-

I was massively disappointed with Microsoft's show. It started with a bang, but man, having 80% of its coverage focused on Kinect (an improvement from Natal) with stupid party games involving wild flailing is just pure fail.

But Yeah Halo Reach was that one shining moment. Even as much as Gears 3, MGS Rising, and Black Ops was nice to see, Halo rose above all that. And just when I thought there was nothing left that could surprise me in a Halo game - BAM we got space battles!!! I really hope that'll be an online multiplayer mode as well as in the campaign. It just adds a whole new dimension to the game play which will set Halo apart from all the other shooter titles like never before, for the next 3 years.

AdobeArtist

Apparently, the Sandbox designer at Bungie, Sage Merill, worked on Crimson Skies!!

And also there was information about a mode called Dogfight in the Beta Code (could be fake though)

Also, did you hear about the new firefight info!

[QUOTE="JTH_22"]

Yes if you're a moron who lifts his 360 and turns it back and forth while a disc is spinning you'll scratch it. :roll:

subrosian

Well since NO OTHER GAMING SYSTEM, EVER had this problem, people discovered it accidentally. It's kind of bull - you can move a PSP while the game is spinning, you can move a PS1, PS2, PS3, Gamecube, Wii, Dreamcast, etc... while the game is spinning. You can even move a SEGA CD while the the game is spinning. Original Xbox? No problem. Xbox 360 was the first system to have this problem, and it could have been prevented with $0.50 worth of foam rubber at the top of the disc drive.

That's just poor engineering - you design products for the real world, you have to go "how will people use this?" And the reality is people will move things while they're in use.

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Kinect is just another example of how Microsoft isn't designing for reality. There's no casual audience there that Nintendo hasn't tapped. The cross-section of "people who really liked the Wii" and "people who want a Wii-knockoff for slightly improved visuals" is tiny. They could target their own hardcore demographic, but they seem to have chosen not to do that (as Sony as been ripping on them for) and frankly that wouldn't last long as their core would be annoyed by any type of impression in the video controls. In other words, unless the motion control is literally perfect, not a single glitch happens ever, it will not work for that audience.

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The response from Microsoft fans has been to attack anyone who disagrees, but why? How are we the idiots for wanting good design?

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]So you are saying natal was only aimed at one market? I highly doubt that... that doesn't sound like smart business practice.

AncientDozer

Well put.

While I have no desire to give up a racing wheel to play Forza with an invisible wheel, the ability to walk around, get inside, and manipulate various parts of your virtual ride looked awesome. Also, I like that Kinect supposedly tracks head movement so that you can turn your head to look around while racing in Forza.

I think my kids will love the animal sim. The fact that they just didn't make it cats and dogs will boost its appeal, imo.

Looking foward to seeing more info on Kinect.

I am just disappointed in Rare......... What the hell happened? The minute their community forums open up, I am going to write a strongly worded post.siddhu33

Microsoft has responded? what did they say?

could you give me a link?

ohthemanatee

Well Microsoft have responded to criticism over their lack of 'hardcore' focus at their briefing

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

I was massively disappointed with Microsoft's show. It started with a bang, but man, having 80% of its coverage focused on Kinect (an improvement from Natal) with stupid party games involving wild flailing is just pure fail.

But Yeah Halo Reach was that one shining moment. Even as much as Gears 3, MGS Rising, and Black Ops was nice to see, Halo rose above all that. And just when I thought there was nothing left that could surprise me in a Halo game - BAM we got space battles!!! I really hope that'll be an online multiplayer mode as well as in the campaign. It just adds a whole new dimension to the game play which will set Halo apart from all the other shooter titles like never before, for the next 3 years.

siddhu33

Apparently, the Sandbox designer at Bungie, Sage Merill, worked on Crimson Skies!!

And also there was information about a mode called Dogfight in the Beta Code (could be fake though)

Also, did you hear about the new firefight info!

I can assume it'll take the same foundation from ODST Firefight? 5 Waves in a Round, 3 Rounds in a Set. Are there any new twists they're adding to the Reach version?

[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

I was massively disappointed with Microsoft's show. It started with a bang, but man, having 80% of its coverage focused on Kinect (an improvement from Natal) with stupid party games involving wild flailing is just pure fail.

But Yeah Halo Reach was that one shining moment. Even as much as Gears 3, MGS Rising, and Black Ops was nice to see, Halo rose above all that. And just when I thought there was nothing left that could surprise me in a Halo game - BAM we got space battles!!! I really hope that'll be an online multiplayer mode as well as in the campaign. It just adds a whole new dimension to the game play which will set Halo apart from all the other shooter titles like never before, for the next 3 years.

AdobeArtist

Apparently, the Sandbox designer at Bungie, Sage Merill, worked on Crimson Skies!!

And also there was information about a mode called Dogfight in the Beta Code (could be fake though)

Also, did you hear about the new firefight info!

I can assume it'll take the same foundation from ODST Firefight? 5 Waves in a Round, 3 Rounds in a Set. Are there any new twists they're adding to the Reach version?

Here you go:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398453

Here is a link to the GAF thread......

Quite a lot of twists...

Halo:Reach may save MS's E3....

May........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ffPHJnQTw

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ffPHJnQTw

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

-Rinder-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ffPHJnQTw

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

-Rinder-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ffPHJnQTw

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

-Rinder-

[QUOTE="-Rinder-"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ffPHJnQTw

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

bandicoot89

Wow they are still making bad xbox 360? I think they shoulda stuck with the elite becuase there was barely any hardware malfunctions with it. I smell another law suit coming up.

[QUOTE="-Rinder-"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ffPHJnQTw

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anjunaddict

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"][QUOTE="-Rinder-"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ffPHJnQTw

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

fistoflight

Wow they are still making bad xbox 360? I think they shoulda stuck with the elite becuase there was barely any hardware malfunctions with it. I smell another law suit coming up.

Hard news hit them hard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOl9tsqY8tw&playnext_from=TL&videos=85rnZmKQgL4&feature=sub

Wow.

Nike_Air

Ha, that was actually funny.

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"][QUOTE="-Rinder-"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ffPHJnQTw

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

fistoflight

Wow they are still making bad xbox 360? I think they shoulda stuck with the elite becuase there was barely any hardware malfunctions with it. I smell another law suit coming up.

[QUOTE="fistoflight"]

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"] I heard that if you hammer or put the console on fire it might breakOverlord93

Wow they are still making bad xbox 360? I think they shoulda stuck with the elite becuase there was barely any hardware malfunctions with it. I smell another law suit coming up.

[QUOTE="fistoflight"]

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"] I heard that if you hammer or put the console on fire it might breakOverlord93

Wow they are still making bad xbox 360? I think they shoulda stuck with the elite becuase there was barely any hardware malfunctions with it. I smell another law suit coming up.

All credit to Jibber Hack for bringing up the article in the MS conference thread:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/109/1099085p1.html

No word on if that's temporary or not. They've got four-five months to fix this. I mean, seriously?

Source : GAF

FAIL

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

[QUOTE="fistoflight"]

Wow they are still making bad xbox 360? I think they shoulda stuck with the elite becuase there was barely any hardware malfunctions with it. I smell another law suit coming up.

Zero_epyon

All credit to Jibber Hack for bringing up the article in the MS conference thread:

Originally Posted by Standing Room Only: Right now, Kinect only works when you stand. This includes menu navigation. All the cool options to grab a slider and advance through frames of a movie you are watching only work when you are on your feet. Kinect, we've been told, has problems handling your skeletal frame while sitting. The voice commands still work, but every game we've seen and even simple menu navigation have to be done with you out of your seat. That's not exactly how I want to watch my movies. If the focus for Kinect is creating games like Dance Central that naturally would require you to be off your couch, that's great. But I have to say, no one thinks "I am driving a car!" while standing up in their living room.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/109/1099085p1.html

No word on if that's temporary or not. They've got four-five months to fix this. I mean, seriously?

Source : GAF

FAIL

Allano9999

Right now, Kinect only works when you stand. This includes menu navigation. All the cool options to grab a slider and advance through frames of a movie you are watching only work when you are on your feet.

FAIL

Allano9999

That's not good :?

So, Going into this E3 I knew about Halo Reach, GeoW3, and Fable 3 as the big 1st party games I can get this holiday season like I planned and GeoW3 in 2011. Heck, we even knew Natal was to be coming before this E3. Sure, We got some information on XBL updates, 360 'slim', and Kinect games...but I'm talking about games I planned on getting prior to E3. I still have the same game list.:|

Now after a big huge show, I still have that same information...it's too bad Kinect didn't grab me. This is an all their eggs in one basket dealio, and if you aren't hyped by Kinect, well this E3 wasn't so great.

[QUOTE="Allano9999"]

All credit to Jibber Hack for bringing up the article in the MS conference thread:

Originally Posted by Standing Room Only: Right now, Kinect only works when you stand. This includes menu navigation. All the cool options to grab a slider and advance through frames of a movie you are watching only work when you are on your feet. Kinect, we've been told, has problems handling your skeletal frame while sitting. The voice commands still work, but every game we've seen and even simple menu navigation have to be done with you out of your seat. That's not exactly how I want to watch my movies. If the focus for Kinect is creating games like Dance Central that naturally would require you to be off your couch, that's great. But I have to say, no one thinks "I am driving a car!" while standing up in their living room.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/109/1099085p1.html

No word on if that's temporary or not. They've got four-five months to fix this. I mean, seriously?

Source : GAF

FAIL

navyguy21

They announced Natal over a year ago, if this is easy to fix it would have been fixed by now.

[QUOTE="-Rinder-"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ffPHJnQTw

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anjunaddict

Once again, Microsoft gets to hang on by the Halo and Gears franchises. Do we ever get new IP's?Zoso-8

Kinectimals, Kinect Sports, Kinect Adventures, Joyride Kinect etc etc. Plenty of new IPs :D

oh god -_-

I would cost microsoft 2 bucks to make the console not scratch discs.......................... 2 bucks. It lacks the rubber protection the other two have

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="-Rinder-"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ffPHJnQTw

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Respawn-d

The real reason the kinect failed was cus it lacked foliage

Once again, Microsoft gets to hang on by the Halo and Gears franchises. Do we ever get new IP's?Zoso-8

So, Going into this E3 I knew about Halo Reach, GeoW3, and Fable 3 as the big 1st party games I can get this holiday season like I planned and GeoW3 in 2011. Heck, we even knew Natal was to be coming before this E3. Sure, We got some information on XBL updates, 360 'slim', and Kinect games...but I'm talking about games I planned on getting prior to E3. I still have the same game list.:|

Now after a big huge show, I still have that same information...it's too bad Kinect didn't grab me. This is an all their eggs in one basket dealio, and if you aren't hyped by Kinect, well this E3 wasn't so great.

SolidTy

The way I see it, Microsoft (atleast in their mind) is pretty much covered till the next E3. It looks like they'll be launching another summer of arcade and they'll have Crackdown 2, Fable 3, and Halo: Reach to get them into 2011 where Gears 3 and Kinect will probably be getting all the attention. At next year's E3 or earlier, hopefully that's when we'll know more of what's to come other than Kingdoms and more Kinect support. I don't disagree but i'm just saying why going into E3 with your expectations on a checklist may have not been the best idea.

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]Once again, Microsoft gets to hang on by the Halo and Gears franchises. Do we ever get new IP's?deangallop

Well ive been trying to work it out.

We saw nothing from 343 Industries this E3, so Im guess we will see something from them at the latest next E3 (It will be Halo something)

We saw Fable from Lionhead, but nothing in terms of Kinect. Wheres Milo? :P Or that other unannounced Kinect game Peter was talking about.

Rare only provided us with Kinect Sports. Rare is a huge developer, so they have to be working on other things, it doesn't take 300 people to make a motion sports game and avatars.

BigPark is busy on Joyride.

Turn 10 busy on Forza Kinect (I really hope theyre working on PGR5 too)

What are Spawnpoint making? Arent they supposed to be solely Kinect developers, yet we saw nothing from them? (Unless they are the developers behind Kinect adventures)

And Firebird. We've seen nothing from them.

There's also Peter Jackson's vaporware studio.

I thought Milo had become Skittles. They were probably afraid of what people would do to Milo, or make Milo do. It would have created so man gifs and youtube videos.

[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="Zoso-8"]Once again, Microsoft gets to hang on by the Halo and Gears franchises. Do we ever get new IP's?Anjunaddict

Well ive been trying to work it out.

We saw nothing from 343 Industries this E3, so Im guess we will see something from them at the latest next E3 (It will be Halo something)

We saw Fable from Lionhead, but nothing in terms of Kinect. Wheres Milo? :P Or that other unannounced Kinect game Peter was talking about.

Rare only provided us with Kinect Sports. Rare is a huge developer, so they have to be working on other things, it doesn't take 300 people to make a motion sports game and avatars.

BigPark is busy on Joyride.

Turn 10 busy on Forza Kinect (I really hope theyre working on PGR5 too)

What are Spawnpoint making? Arent they supposed to be solely Kinect developers, yet we saw nothing from them? (Unless they are the developers behind Kinect adventures)

And Firebird. We've seen nothing from them.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"] If they don't have a good show next year, one with new IP's and games not created for children and family gamers, MS might as well wave the white flag and call it quits. Gears, Halo, Fable, and crackdown is probably enough for me during 2010- early 2011, but I'm getting tired of the brand milkage, I partially blame gamers ( If you have a 360 go out and buy Alan Wake;) jyoung312

Well ive been trying to work it out.

We saw nothing from 343 Industries this E3, so Im guess we will see something from them at the latest next E3 (It will be Halo something)

We saw Fable from Lionhead, but nothing in terms of Kinect. Wheres Milo? :P Or that other unannounced Kinect game Peter was talking about.

Rare only provided us with Kinect Sports. Rare is a huge developer, so they have to be working on other things, it doesn't take 300 people to make a motion sports game and avatars.

BigPark is busy on Joyride.

Turn 10 busy on Forza Kinect (I really hope theyre working on PGR5 too)

What are Spawnpoint making? Arent they supposed to be solely Kinect developers, yet we saw nothing from them? (Unless they are the developers behind Kinect adventures)

And Firebird. We've seen nothing from them.

Well they are making something with Crytek, and they're working with Remedy at the minute. But I completely agree, this E3 has really opened my eyes in terms of Microsofts 1st party offerings. They really need to start building some more studios that cater to the hardcore, and not the Kinect audiences.Anjunaddict

But didn't you make a thread trying to dispel the myth of Microsoft lacking first party support?

XBL also dissapointed me, no really great XBLA announcements and no new XBL features that include or interest me ( espn probably won't be available in Canada, and even if it is I wouldn't use it). Why did they get rid of XB one support if they wen't going to boost or revamp XBL. Why am I still limited to 100 friends, why is there no clan support. It just makes no sense. If they don't announce any new features for XBL, I'm swiching to PS+ because atleast I get something new there. PS network has been catching up to XBL for a while and once it gets cross game chat, and a couple other small things why would I bother paying for XBL.

Only with Xbox live can you purchase the newest most overpriced map packs for the COD franchise, MS has got to get their prioritys straight, like yesterday.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]Well they are making something with Crytek, and they're working with Remedy at the minute. But I completely agree, this E3 has really opened my eyes in terms of Microsofts 1st party offerings. They really need to start building some more studios that cater to the hardcore, and not the Kinect audiences.shinrabanshou

But didn't you make a thread trying to dispel the myth of Microsoft lacking first party support?

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]Well they are making something with Crytek, and they're working with Remedy at the minute. But I completely agree, this E3 has really opened my eyes in terms of Microsofts 1st party offerings. They really need to start building some more studios that cater to the hardcore, and not the Kinect audiences.Anjunaddict

But didn't you make a thread trying to dispel the myth of Microsoft lacking first party support?

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]Well they are making something with Crytek, and they're working with Remedy at the minute. But I completely agree, this E3 has really opened my eyes in terms of Microsofts 1st party offerings. They really need to start building some more studios that cater to the hardcore, and not the Kinect audiences.Anjunaddict

But didn't you make a thread trying to dispel the myth of Microsoft lacking first party support?

But you'd agree basically that they should be investing more into their first party software development.

I think when people talk about there being no need for Microsoft to invest in first party development, they often neglect to consider that most of Sony and Nintendo's studios were created/acquired and built up during each company's heyday, and are what saved them during their darkest hours.

Microsoft should really be thinking ahead, there's no guarantee they'll be in the same position they're in now next gen.

My thoughts are that the only thing that was great was HALO and im not even a HALO fanatic. I was hyped for ESPN but once again MS pulls a fast one. Its basically like Netflix all over again meaning in order to use it on the 360, you will first have to be a paying subscriber of the service (duh), then pay LIVE to use it on 360.

The 360 "SLIM" looks cool but once again I'll question the reliability of their console. I know they did a whole redesign but why keep such a faulty drive intact? I remember when I had the 360, it would scratch my disc even when the 360 isnt moved.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]I'm going to preface this by saying: this is not an attack. Since this is SW and everybody always seems to be on the offensive or defensive.

But didn't you make a thread trying to dispel the myth of Microsoft lacking first party support?

Locutus_Picard

Ok, now where can i trade in my eliete for the new slim version for free? lol

Ok, now where can i trade in my eliete for the new slim version for free? lol

Phazevariance

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="Anjunaddict"] I did make a thread about Microsofts first party, but it was to dispel the myth that they killed everything they touched when it came to development houses. I was reading people saying that Microsoft were totally incompetent when it came to managing development studios (probably because of ensemble etc. closing) which is why I made the thread. Anjunaddict