Microsoft E3 2010 Press Conference + Kinect + Slim Xbox360 -KEEP IT HERE!-

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_zgc_vg_video_games_display_on_website_mot1?pf_rd_p=475985451&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=468642&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=10YW611ENN5ZZ0ZPHNZJ

on this site kinect is currently #2 while move is #24..

so kinect is selling well at amazon which is suprising usually its a wii site.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_zgc_vg_video_games_display_on_website_mot1?pf_rd_p=475985451&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=468642&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=10YW611ENN5ZZ0ZPHNZJ

on this site kinect is currently #2 while move is #24..

so kinect is selling well at amazon which is suprising usually its a wii site.

warz0r09

He doesn't though, he's actually 100% correct.

The problem with Kinect is the same one that faces the SEGA CD and 32X. Since it's going to be a $150+ add-on, developers can't be certain you'll own one. Core game developers who spend tens of millions on a game can't make exclusives for it *because that will kill their sales*. That means any exclusive Kinect content will be inexpensive software aimed at the casual crowd, it has to be, it won't have the sales to support doing anything else.

Tacked-on Kinect support to existing games will be just that, and at some point Kinect just fails.

And since we all basically know that at some level (even the people deeply in denial are aware, that's why they react so violently) we're just sitting here waiting for the next Xbox. We know that's the next logical move for when Kinect doesn't make the market penetration it's supposed to... and as for the "this is an experiment" crowd, if MS' next console doesn't have some other form of controller as standard, it will simply fail.

subrosian

No, he's not 100% correct. It's borderline rediculous to equate family friendly content to purely marketed towards children. That's moving into the old "Wii kiddy" hate argument. So what if my 8 year old nephew loves SMG2, and plays it non-stop. Are you going to tell me since he loves it, and since the game is family friendly, that that product is now focused purely on children? Please. Could there be some games via Kinect that are focused on children, or children is their main demographic? Sure, but is the product as a whole focused at children? No, you can't say that.

Furthermore, I don't recall talking about, or asking about how it's going to be successful or if it was going to fail, or even why it's a bad product. I don't know why you went on that tangent in italize when it has nothing to do with what I said to Wasdie. If you believe it will fail, awesome! You're entitled to believe whatever your heart desires.

s a bad product. I don't know why you went on that tangent in italize when it has nothing to do with what I said to Wasdie. If you believe it will fail, awesome! You're entitled to believe whatever your heart desires.

Stevo_the_gamer

1. No need for such an emotional reaction, you're misunderstanding what I said. I'd appreciate a re-read, but if you don't want to give me that courtesy, fine.

2. There's a danger to the things I "believe", as my beliefs are based on analysis of the gaming industry rather than emotion, they tend to be correct.

3. The Kinect is so misguided that it's on the level of the SEGA 32X. What your nephew plays is irrelevant, expensive peripheral devices cannot receive the type and quality of exclusive content necessary in the short run. Companies like Activision won't touch them with quality content until they have an install base not achievable during the remaining two ~ three years in the 360's lifespan.

4. Which means MS has to pay to get content other than Wii Too software onto this thing. That's money going away from development on their core platform, future platforms, etc... it's a poor business move in addition to being simply a questionable product. Nintendo's decision to start with motion controls was vital in the type of software that was available on the Wii beyond minigames, and it even struggled because it couldn't be lumped into the same multiplat builds as the other platforms.

Companies like Activision won't touch them with quality content until they have an install base not achievable during the remaining two ~ three years in the 360's lifespan.

subrosian

1. No need for such an emotional reaction, you're misunderstanding what I said. I'd appreciate a re-read, but if you don't want to give me that courtesy, fine.

2. There's a danger to the things I "believe", as my beliefs are based on analysis of the gaming industry rather than emotion, they tend to be correct.

3. The Kinect is so misguided that it's on the level of the SEGA 32X. What your nephew plays is irrelevant, expensive peripheral devices cannot receive the type and quality of exclusive content necessary in the short run. Companies like Activision won't touch them with quality content until they have an install base not achievable during the remaining two ~ three years in the 360's lifespan.

4. Which means MS has to pay to get content other than Wii Too software onto this thing. That's money going away from development on their core platform, future platforms, etc... it's a poor business move in addition to being simply a questionable product. Nintendo's decision to start with motion controls was vital in the type of software that was available on the Wii beyond minigames, and it even struggled because it couldn't be lumped into the same multiplat builds as the other platforms.

subrosian

Oh that was certainly not emotional, a bit blunt maybe -- but that's how points should come across. When you're not straight to the point, then you're doing it wrong. There's no need for extra "fluff" that has nothing to do with was initially inquired or commented on. I simply don't care enough to retort things in which I have no interest in. I read through it multiple times, and still see no relevance to what I initially replied to Wasdie besides the first sentence, maybe the casual reference, but even that is sketchy, but that is all.

I still fail to see the relevance of the rest. The discussion with Wasdie, or my reply to Wasdie, revolved solely around equating this product entirely meant for children. Not about the possible success or failure of the device, or how money is going away from their core platform (lol) -- like Micrsoft even has a stong or even good 1st party portfolio, I mean, this entire generation they've pratically relied on 3rd party games. The only money they do throw out is in regards to exclusivity agreements, and publishing deals. And that isn't much of a loss if they throw out less money in that regard.

And yes, the nephew remark had plenty of relavance to the discussion at hand. It was using the same logic he applied to the Kinect. :|

I agree with subrosian. There isn't going to be M rated games at the start. It's only natural for games to be childish first. Then with success they grow more advanced. Hopefully. Right now MS is using Kinect as bait. They're not fully behind it untill it proves it's successful. MS isn't risky. I think they should put out good looking games for the Mature audience at launch. Right now it's only for the casual and may only be.

I agree with subrosian. There isn't going to be M rated games at the start. It's only natural for games to be childish first. LOXO7

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I agree with subrosian. There isn't going to be M rated games at the start. It's only natural for games to be childish first. Stevo_the_gamer

Natal and Move get the same amount of hate...until recently because of the "games" MS showed for Natal.

And you know what, the hate is damn justified.

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I agree with subrosian. There isn't going to be M rated games at the start. It's only natural for games to be childish first. LOXO7

They may have more casual appeal, but SMG2 is not meant entirely for the casual demographic, nor is LittleBigPlanet or Banjo Kazooie or Kirby and so on.

This:

Is meant entirely for a casual demographic. And it's so Scary it should be rated M at least.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]So non-M rated games are meant entirely for children? Is that a joke? :?

shinrabanshou

They may have more casual appeal, but SMG2 is not meant entirely for the casual demographic, nor is LittleBigPlanet or Banjo Kazooie or Kirby and so on.

This:

Is meant entirely for a casual demographic. And it's so Scary it should be rated M at least.

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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

I agree with subrosian. There isn't going to be M rated games at the start. It's only natural for games to be childish first. LOXO7

Non-M rated games aren't always meant entirely for the casual demographic.

They may have more casual appeal, but SMG2 is not meant entirely for the casual demographic, nor is LittleBigPlanet or Banjo Kazooie or Kirby and so on.

This:

Is meant entirely for a casual demographic. And it's so Scary it should be rated M at least.

shinrabanshou

I don't like using the casual and hardcore words because it causes much confusion. You could say "Non-M rated games aren't always meant entirely for the casual demographic." Or you could say Non M rated games are always meant entirely for Everyone. Everyone and Mature is a lot better then Causual and Hardcore. This is where the confusion is at and it needs to be fixed. What does casual mean to you? We get different answers. Where as what does Everyone mean to you? We get the same constant answer.

I don't get the argument that Move is more expensive.
For 50$ you can get a Move controller and add 30$ for a navigator...at the most you lose 80$ and can enjoy motion sensing right away.
With Kinect you have to pay 150$ in order enjoy controller-less gaming...it doesn't matter if you have 20 or 1 people playing your 360...you need to fork out 150$ to use any motion sensing at all.Locutus_Picard

Don't forget the Playstation Eye which is $40 bucks itself. So the math would be $50 for Move controller + $30 foe Navigator controller + $40 for Playstation Eye = $120 for the total package, which is still less expensive than Kinect at $150. That is unless you need to get a second Move controller for another player. You only need one Kinect for up to 4 players.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]So non-M rated games are meant entirely for children? Is that a joke? :?

Stevo_the_gamer

Haha. That example is a little funny. In America child obeasity is epidemic. Perhaps a reason for the game. My parents think video games are only for children and I believe many elders that run the world think this way too. So if a game is made and rated Everyone it will include attributes that attract children. I think I'm saying if video games are for kids it would be dumb if it's not made it for them.LOXO7

It's easy to generalize, that's for sure -- even the ignorant (ones not knowledgable in video games) who don't know anything about the video game industry will make sweeping generalizations; it's bound to happen. The average age of a gamer isn't in their teens, it isn't below their teens, it's in the high twenties to low thirties. Making a game "or everyone" (E-rating) can make it so which it's child friendly, hell yeah, and family friendly, of course! What you cannot say is that same game is specifically meant, and targeted, for children solely based on the fact that it's E-rated, or a product as a whole is meant for children simply because it has one or two titles that may or may not be targeted specifically towards children. That's absolutely baseless, unfounded, and utterly absurd. You have to look at the bigger picture.

Note: when I use "you" in the above, I'm speaking generally, not specifically about you.

Worse E3 press conference I have ever seen. Kinect is made of fail, MS has totally lost touch with gamers, all they see is green, and that my friends will be their downfall.Cr1tical_Mass

[QUOTE="Cr1tical_Mass"]Worse E3 press conference I have ever seen. Kinect is made of fail, MS has totally lost touch with gamers, all they see is green, and that my friends will be their downfall.Ratchet_Fan8

[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"][QUOTE="Cr1tical_Mass"]Worse E3 press conference I have ever seen. Kinect is made of fail, MS has totally lost touch with gamers, all they see is green, and that my friends will be their downfall.Cr1tical_Mass

A person who has been banned from Gamespot, but has made a new account and returned, which is against the rules.

That's entirely false. Simply a game that receives a rated less than teen/mature means the game is acceptable to everyone, and has or will have broad appeal. Microsoft's main demographic may be casual, but even that doesn't prove anything in regards to it specifically meant for children. Wii Fit isn't aimed at children, even though it's rated E. Stevo_the_gamer

It doesn't matter with that content is "family friendly", it matters if that content is expensive to make.subrosian

[QUOTE="subrosian"]It doesn't matter with that content is "family friendly", it matters if that content is expensive to make.Stevo_the_gamer