Microsoft has Payed For RE5 timed Exclusivity.(Rumor)

fallout is a top selling pc game it would have done very well!!! it's like epic games turning their backs on pc gamers with unreal tourment!!!!
blackdreamhunk

BIS studios was already dead by the time brotherhood of steel was out, so "epic" would not turn its back to PC gamers because it was already dead

or havent you noticed that BOS was developed by a different studio?

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

And don't get me wrong here either, MS doing this is completely legit. AFter all Sony did pay for MGS4 which is why Cows have been cheering for the past couple of days. MS seems to have taken the strategy that instead of getting a lot 1st party titles that may or may not do well, they pay a part of that developement cost to the 3rd party for either exclusivsity or timed exclusivity. I'm not surprised that they are doing is but I am VERY surprised if they could get such a huge game as RE5 timed or outright exclusive.

My point is Capcom had better of taken a TON of money to do this because you are going to need to make up for the loss of PS3 sales. No matter what you people think will happen, 3rd party developers know they will lose PS3 sales by delaying it (not to mention you will have a whole lot of pissed off fanboys and Sony as well.....that alone could hurt future games tbh)

Eltroz

Considering Microsoft has to pay them for the lost sales out of pocket, and considering that timed exclusivity will sink sales completely on the PS3, this actually might not be a very good move for Microsoft. The amount of consoles it would push might not be sufficient for it to be a worthwhile investment.

The loss of sales isn't directly bad for Microsoft. But it's bad for Capcom. And if the deal is bad for them, then Microsoft has to pay them a lot of money for it to be worthwhile.

It's more important that Microsoft make money than that they deny Sony sales of a particular game. The purpose of the deal isn't to kill sales of RE5 on Sony's platform, but to move Xbox 360s. The slight advantage that they would gain from RE5 being a timed exclusive might not be enough to offset the amount of money they'd have to pay to Capcom to offset Capcom's lost revenue.

[QUOTE="excelR83"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="excelR83"]

The point is that most of us like to complain when we are getting hooped, and nobody likes the "voice of reason" to come along and tell you that you really should have been home more often and that's why your girlfriend slept with your brother.

heretrix

To wit: Bad choices:

Your girlfriend sleeping with your brother. A. Don't date a slut B. Pay more attention to your girl

You don't want to buy a 360. Fine, but don't complain that MS is doing something to satisfy their fanbase. Why should they make you happy? You don't want their system. The fact that they are makeing you mad, means they are doing their job correctly for THEIR fanbase.

Holy **** did you ever miss the point.

I just said that rationality doesn't come into play in a situation like this, sometimes you just want to complain without some douche ass voice of reason stepping in with some factual-based nerdery.

Just because the system is the system doesn't mean you have to like it. If the tables were turned you would be saying the same thing.

But yeah, that was quite the slice of "ownage". Why do I keep coming here.

As for me not liking it because it's not on my system, I don't waste time on nonsense like that. I have all of the systems except for the Wii (I sold it). If a game comes out that I want I BUY it. Having a loyalty to a corporation that doesn't give a rats ass about me is silly beyond all comprehension.

I don't think WE should be loyal, we are consumers and we speak with our wallets. We buy what we like and that is that.

I do, however, think there should be loyalty amongst game developers and console makers (same with athletes and their teams/towns or any comparable analogy). These guys have been doing business for 10-15 years, some of them. I don't want to think about people conducting business with eachother for 15 years, then taking more money and going "hey, that's business". I think I want to have more faith in humanity than that. The reality is that money does trump all of our values, but f*** is it ever depressing to think about.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]fallout is a top selling pc game it would have done very well!!! it's like epic games turning their backs on pc gamers with unreal tourment!!!!
st1ka

BIS studios was already dead by the time brotherhood of steel was out, so "epic" would not turn its back to PC gamers because it was already dead

or havent you noticed that BOS was developed by a different studio?

facts are facts!!!!

lol, you think these people work off commission? Ok maybe saying sales reps is not giving them the proper title. They are assigned to you.....like Wal-Mart has a rep which also might work with the Blockbuster Stores. They are not commission based at all. I meet with the Executive Vice President of Sales & Marketing at Eidos, National Sales Manager for Namco/Bandai, Regional Sales Director for Ubisoft, Sales Manager for Activision, Associate Regional Sales Manager for Konami (which is how I knew Sony PAID for MGS4), Sales Manager for Atari (no laughing please), Account Manager for Vivendi Games, Sales Director for Warner games, and others. I still have their business cards.

Do those people sound like they work off commison?

darthogre

Well they usually have something...like large amounts of stock options, bonuses, who knows, but I'm pretty sure sales managers get commission. The point is, they want it to sprawl to every console so they can get immediate fund flow into their coffers asap. Naturally the delay slows that & perhaps that extra cash from the delay that is coming from Mr. Softy is not spread evenly around to these other individuals?

I'm not in your line of work, but I would think there is some between-the-lines reading that you need to do here & search for some root causes in their motives. If not commission, then what? Do they really care if the game gets delayed for one group of console users even though they get paid the same either way? Let's be serious here.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]fallout is a top selling pc game it would have done very well!!! it's like epic games turning their backs on pc gamers with unreal tourment!!!!
blackdreamhunk

BIS studios was already dead by the time brotherhood of steel was out, so "epic" would not turn its back to PC gamers because it was already dead

or havent you noticed that BOS was developed by a different studio?

facts are facts!!!!

provide those facts then ;)

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]fallout is a top selling pc game it would have done very well!!! it's like epic games turning their backs on pc gamers with unreal tourment!!!!
st1ka

BIS studios was already dead by the time brotherhood of steel was out, so "epic" would not turn its back to PC gamers because it was already dead

or havent you noticed that BOS was developed by a different studio?

provide those facts then ;)

So microsoft Would Pay Capcom to halt development of the Ps3 version of RE5 for a while, just to see if it can help 360 sales in Japan? o_o Sony Would very stupid if they allow such a thing... If true Counter-Bid Or suffer the consequences... Thats it.

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]fallout is a top selling pc game it would have done very well!!! it's like epic games turning their backs on pc gamers with unreal tourment!!!!
blackdreamhunk

BIS studios was already dead by the time brotherhood of steel was out, so "epic" would not turn its back to PC gamers because it was already dead

or havent you noticed that BOS was developed by a different studio?

provide those facts then ;)

,

lol youre the one making the claim and yet you dont provide proof back your own arguements? lol

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

There definitely are a lot of MS fanboys in this thread. How can you be happy that a game gets delayed for another console? Simple answer: Fanboyism.

As for the rumor, we'll see if it's true next month. Man, I wish E3 would get here already.

excelR83

Simple answer: JEALOUSY

360 owners should be happy.

. I've seen enough sour grapes from you to know I am right.

Dude, I can say this with 100000000 percent certainty you are full of it and I invite you to prove it. Put up or cap it.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]fallout is a top selling pc game it would have done very well!!! it's like epic games turning their backs on pc gamers with unreal tourment!!!!
st1ka

BIS studios was already dead by the time brotherhood of steel was out, so "epic" would not turn its back to PC gamers because it was already dead

or havent you noticed that BOS was developed by a different studio?

provide those facts then ;)

,

lol youre the one making the claim and yet you dont provide proof back your own arguements? lol

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

lol, you think these people work off commission? Ok maybe saying sales reps is not giving them the proper title. They are assigned to you.....like Wal-Mart has a rep which also might work with the Blockbuster Stores. They are not commission based at all. I meet with the Executive Vice President of Sales & Marketing at Eidos, National Sales Manager for Namco/Bandai, Regional Sales Director for Ubisoft, Sales Manager for Activision, Associate Regional Sales Manager for Konami (which is how I knew Sony PAID for MGS4), Sales Manager for Atari (no laughing please), Account Manager for Vivendi Games, Sales Director for Warner games, and others. I still have their business cards.

Do those people sound like they work off commison?

jknight5422

Well they usually have something...like large amounts of stock options, bonuses, who knows, but I'm pretty sure sales managers get commission. The point is, they want it to sprawl to every console so they can get immediate fund flow into their coffers asap. Naturally the delay slows that & perhaps that extra cash from the delay that is coming from Mr. Softy is not spread evenly around to these other individuals?

I'm not in your line of work, but I would think there is some between-the-lines reading that you need to do here & search for some root causes in their motives. If not commission, then what? Do they really care if the game gets delayed for one group of console users even though they get paid the same either way? Let's be serious here.

Not commission, but incentives. They may actually receive commission, ie a percentage of the total GM or something along those lines, but calling it commission just makes it sound like a cheap grunt on a sales floor.

I'm sure they do get performance-based incentives such as quarterly bonuses for hitting targets, a lump sum if Game A sells over X amount of units in Y amount of time. Then there is the issue of their resume looking good and translating to more money in the future if a more lucrative opportunity comes along. I seriously doubt anyone in any position of power in a big company like any of the ones mentioned above works on pure salary and that's that. It's barbaric. We like our stock options and bonuses and all the other perks.

Maybe the word "commission" was too specific, but there must be incentives or people wouldn't care about their product.

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]fallout is a top selling pc game it would have done very well!!! it's like epic games turning their backs on pc gamers with unreal tourment!!!!
blackdreamhunk

BIS studios was already dead by the time brotherhood of steel was out, so "epic" would not turn its back to PC gamers because it was already dead

or havent you noticed that BOS was developed by a different studio?

provide those facts then ;)

,

News to me.

Brotherhood of Steel was really a horribe game. Can't believe I bought that due to Fallout 2.

...for christ sake DMC4 sold more on ps3 than it did on 360 why would capcom be so stupid?blazinpuertoroc

Money talks, its time for Sony to spend some in bribes like microsoft does. I like How Ms Plays, always on attack mode no matter what.

Ah, good old Microsoft. Their company ideals of "why develop or create something when you can pay someone else that has already done the legwork" is just inspiring to behold. The way they throw money around and slander their opponents is truly American, and makes me want to collect unemployment while I sit on my ass.

Has Microsoft or anyone under the employ of Microsoft ever actually had an original thought? This buying exclusives thing is really getting ridiculous.

Seriously though if this is true I will be too livid for words.

Microsoft: Step to the plate and get one of your multimillionaire-salaried employees to use his overeducated brain to develop an ORIGINAL IP. BRAWN > BRAIN, you go MS!

excelR83

[QUOTE="excelR83"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

There definitely are a lot of MS fanboys in this thread. How can you be happy that a game gets delayed for another console? Simple answer: Fanboyism.

As for the rumor, we'll see if it's true next month. Man, I wish E3 would get here already.

heretrix

Simple answer: JEALOUSY

360 owners should be happy.

. I've seen enough sour grapes from you to know I am right.

Dude, I can say this with 100000000 percent certainty you are full of it and I invite you to prove it. Put up or cap it.

Ugh it was in the MGS4 thread and that thing is 143 pages now. Some of the things you said in that thread curdled my milk, but without specific examples, I have nothing, and it's not worth sifting through that thread for.

Consider it capped. I apologize.

[QUOTE="excelR83"]

Ah, good old Microsoft. Their company ideals of "why develop or create something when you can pay someone else that has already done the legwork" is just inspiring to behold. The way they throw money around and slander their opponents is truly American, and makes me want to collect unemployment while I sit on my ass.

Has Microsoft or anyone under the employ of Microsoft ever actually had an original thought? This buying exclusives thing is really getting ridiculous.

Seriously though if this is true I will be too livid for words.

Microsoft: Step to the plate and get one of your multimillionaire-salaried employees to use his overeducated brain to develop an ORIGINAL IP. BRAWN > BRAIN, you go MS!

shaggyaz

I can't wait until he ^^ gets to the part where I say I'm disgusted with how humanity just accepts this "it's just business!" crap as an acceptable answer and how pathetic I think it is that we're such slaves to money. LOL

Point proven.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]fallout is a top selling pc game it would have done very well!!! it's like epic games turning their backs on pc gamers with unreal tourment!!!!
istreakforfood

BIS studios was already dead by the time brotherhood of steel was out, so "epic" would not turn its back to PC gamers because it was already dead

or havent you noticed that BOS was developed by a different studio?

provide those facts then ;)

,

News to me.

Brotherhood of Steel was really a horribe game. Can't believe I bought that due to Fallout 2.

http://www.gamespot.com/search.html?type=11&stype=all&qs=fallout&x=0&y=0

Yep MS are scum. They really think that they can plug up the hole of their sinking ship by throwing money at it? MS are comparable to oil companies. Pure Scum.Cbok

Ahh yes, those evil oil companies, the bane of kind, loving, and generous people all over the world. How dare those bastards charge money for their goods when they should be giving them away, and operating indefinitely at a loss!

/sarcasm

Seriously people, what the hell is with all the anti-profit, anti-capitalist, bull **** in this thread? It's starting to piss me off a good bit, seeing tons of people here practically saying "that evil Microsoft, how dare they want to make money!"

WTH is wrong with this generation, man? When did so many ****ing people start acting like "profit" is a dirty word?

It's past the point of making me sad; it makes me sick to my stomach.:|

who said any thing about brtherhood of steel iam talking about fallout!!!

blackdreamhunk

I just put my thoughts about that game since someone mentioned it earlier in this thread.

I played Fallout Tactics: BoS not the xbox one.

[QUOTE="Cbok"]Yep MS are scum. They really think that they can plug up the hole of their sinking ship by throwing money at it? MS are comparable to oil companies. Pure Scum.jethrovegas

Ahh yes, those evil oil companies, the bane of kind, loving, and generous people all over the world. How dare those bastards charge money for their goods when they should be giving them away, and operating indefintely at a loss!

/sarcasm

Seriously people, what the hell is with all the anti-profit, anti-capitalist, bull **** in this thread? It's starting to piss me off a good bit, seeing tons of people here practically saying "that evil Microsoft, how dare they want to make money!"

WTH is wrong with this generation, man? When did so many ****ing people start acting like 'profit" is a dirty word?

It's past the point of making me sad; it makes me sick to my stomach.:|

Agreed. Thats why I stopped posting in it a long time ago.

[QUOTE="shaggyaz"][QUOTE="excelR83"]

Ah, good old Microsoft. Their company ideals of "why develop or create something when you can pay someone else that has already done the legwork" is just inspiring to behold. The way they throw money around and slander their opponents is truly American, and makes me want to collect unemployment while I sit on my ass.

Has Microsoft or anyone under the employ of Microsoft ever actually had an original thought? This buying exclusives thing is really getting ridiculous.

Seriously though if this is true I will be too livid for words.

Microsoft: Step to the plate and get one of your multimillionaire-salaried employees to use his overeducated brain to develop an ORIGINAL IP. BRAWN > BRAIN, you go MS!

excelR83

I can't wait until he ^^ gets to the part where I say I'm disgusted with how humanity just accepts this "it's just business!" crap as an acceptable answer and how pathetic I think it is that we're such slaves to money. LOL

Point proven.

Here we go again, MS once again using their monetary power rather than any enhancing quality of their product to winnaval

Here we go again another person thinking that it is just MS in the gaming world that does this. :roll:

[QUOTE="Cbok"]Yep MS are scum. They really think that they can plug up the hole of their sinking ship by throwing money at it? MS are comparable to oil companies. Pure Scum.jethrovegas

Ahh yes, those evil oil companies, the bane of kind, loving, and generous people all over the world. How dare those bastards charge money for their goods when they should be giving them away, and operating indefintely at a loss!

/sarcasm

Seriously people, what the hell is with all the anti-profit, anti-capitalist, bull **** in this thread? It's starting to piss me off a good bit, seeing tons of people here practically saying "that evil Microsoft, how dare they want to make money!"

WTH is wrong with this generation, man? When did so many ****ing people start acting like 'profit" is a dirty word?

It's past the point of making me sad; it makes me sick to my stomach.:|

Speaking of sick to my stomach...

It's the fact that profit is THE ONLY THING that makes me sick. Nothing wrong with making money. Buy for a penny, sell for two. What sickens me is the kind of greed we have in the world that allows 1% of people to control the vast majority of the money while most of the world still lives in inhumane conditions. I'm not some kind of drippy hippy but I'm tired of seeing society homogenized and roboticized year after year, and people like you facilitate it by buying into this "IT'S JUST BUSINESS LOL GOGO PROFIT" mentality.

If you can't see the difference between making a profit and completely ignoring all sense of what we as a society consider "values" and "morals" in exchange for a bigger house, an extra car, a new horizonless pool etc. then this discussion is dead in the water.

Don't even get me started on oil companies. I used to work for the biggest one out there (yep, that one).

Ah, good old Microsoft. Their company ideals of "why develop or create something when you can pay someone else that has already done the legwork" is just inspiring to behold. The way they throw money around and slander their opponents is truly American, and makes me want to collect unemployment while I sit on my ass.

Has Microsoft or anyone under the employ of Microsoft ever actually had an original thought? This buying exclusives thing is really getting ridiculous.

Seriously though if this is true I will be too livid for words.

Microsoft: Step to the plate and get one of your multimillionaire-salaried employees to use his overeducated brain to develop an ORIGINAL IP. BRAWN > BRAIN, you go MS!

excelR83

What you got against americans? Also you are aware sony has done the same right? But anyways on to the topic meh i am not really a RE fan but i can see why MSFT would try this if it's true.

i don't make claims i give facts!!! I don't need to prove my self to you!!! that is how i seeit
blackdreamhunk

you havent given any proof to your "facts" yet

who said any thing about brtherhood of steel iam talking about fallout!!!

http://www.gamespot.com/search.html?type=11&stype=all&qs=fallout&x=0&y=0

blackdreamhunk

lol wut? MS had nothing to do with Fallout 1 2 or 3

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Cbok"]Yep MS are scum. They really think that they can plug up the hole of their sinking ship by throwing money at it? MS are comparable to oil companies. Pure Scum.excelR83

Ahh yes, those evil oil companies, the bane of kind, loving, and generous people all over the world. How dare those bastards charge money for their goods when they should be giving them away, and operating indefintely at a loss!

/sarcasm

Seriously people, what the hell is with all the anti-profit, anti-capitalist, bull **** in this thread? It's starting to piss me off a good bit, seeing tons of people here practically saying "that evil Microsoft, how dare they want to make money!"

WTH is wrong with this generation, man? When did so many ****ing people start acting like 'profit" is a dirty word?

It's past the point of making me sad; it makes me sick to my stomach.:|

Speaking of sick to my stomach...

It's the fact that profit is THE ONLY THING that makes me sick. Nothing wrong with making money. Buy for a penny, sell for two. What sickens me is the kind of greed we have in the world that allows 1% of people to control the vast majority of the money while most of the world still lives in inhumane conditions. I'm not some kind of drippy hippy but I'm tired of seeing society homogenized and roboticized year after year, and people like you facilitate it by buying into this "IT'S JUST BUSINESS LOL GOGO PROFIT" mentality.

If you can't see the difference between making a profit and completely ignoring all sense of what we as a society consider "values" and "morals" in exchange for a bigger house, an extra car, a new horizonless pool etc. then this discussion is dead in the water.

Don't even get me started on oil companies. I used to work for the biggest one out there (yep, that one).

Wow talk about going above and beyond what this original subject had to offer. So in your eyes businesses are not supposed to get ahead of the competition? They are supposed to throw what money they have out there to try to gain a competative edge? How do you think competition starts? I can't believe I'm seeing half the things you are typing right now. If it wasn't for that type of competition you wouldn't even have the gaming variety you have now, just get over it. I'm sure if this was the case about RE5 people who have the PS3 are going to get it or people who have the intent of doing so will get it when it is available as well.

[QUOTE="naval"]Here we go again, MS once again using their monetary power rather than any enhancing quality of their product to winxscrapzx

Here we go again another person thinking that it is just MS in the gaming world that does this. :roll:

most probably no one does it more than MS, but seeing you have a gamertag you are going to deny that.

also fyi , MS has been doing such stuff since longtime back and they have payed so much in fines for monopolisti policies that no company can come even close.

[QUOTE="excelR83"]

Ah, good old Microsoft. Their company ideals of "why develop or create something when you can pay someone else that has already done the legwork" is just inspiring to behold. The way they throw money around and slander their opponents is truly American, and makes me want to collect unemployment while I sit on my ass.

Has Microsoft or anyone under the employ of Microsoft ever actually had an original thought? This buying exclusives thing is really getting ridiculous.

Seriously though if this is true I will be too livid for words.

Microsoft: Step to the plate and get one of your multimillionaire-salaried employees to use his overeducated brain to develop an ORIGINAL IP. BRAWN > BRAIN, you go MS!

-Patriots

What you got against americans? Also you are aware sony has done the same right?

Well, for starters, there's that kneejerk let's-start-a-fight reactionary bull**** that you just demonstrated which keeps people from questioning how things are and why. There's certainly that.

Sony is a big corporation. They are certainly shady and as I said, no angels. I'm not defending them.

Microsoft... come on. PLEASE try and explain to me how an MS Office bundle, which is just SOFTWARE, and was developed by basically just doing minor tweaks to the previous years programs, is worth $900. I would really like to know that. There is profit, and there is "well we are the only one making this product, what will people realistically pay for this? Just how badly can we milk these idiots before they revolt". It's capitalism at the expense of people, and I just can't bring myself to agree with that.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

[QUOTE="naval"]Here we go again, MS once again using their monetary power rather than any enhancing quality of their product to winnaval

Here we go again another person thinking that it is just MS in the gaming world that does this. :roll:

most probably no one does it more than MS, but seeing you have a gamertag you are going to deny that.

also fyi , MS has been doing such stuff since longtime back and they have payed so much in fines for monopolisti policies that no company can come even close.

remember: nintendo did very similar things for the NES and the SNES except at the time there weren´t laws forbiding this type of attitude in the videogame industry

sony: is no saint either, i cant think of any other company that was able to..."persuade" more then 250 companys to create games (most were exclusives) to a console belonging to a company with no experience in gaming during a time where the industry was completly dominated by the competition (nintendo and sega)

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

[QUOTE="naval"]Here we go again, MS once again using their monetary power rather than any enhancing quality of their product to winnaval

Here we go again another person thinking that it is just MS in the gaming world that does this. :roll:

most probably no one does it more than MS, but seeing you have a gamertag you are going to deny that.

also fyi , MS has been doing such stuff since longtime back and they have payed so much in fines for monopolisti policies that no company can come even close.

No I do realize that they do this alot, I'm not a blind you know? Just because I have a gamertag doesn't mean that I'm blind to facts of reality. The bottom line is that MS is throwing some money out there to get an upper edge of the competition and what they are doing is not against the law. Monopolies are also legal as long as they stay within the laws that make it legal.

The problem if you have the money to make more money why wouldn't YOU do it? If you owned MS or Sony for that matter and you are trying to get more market share and more money are you not going to throw some money out there if it is going to help you? If you say you wouldn't you wouldn't make it in business. No matter how much you think it is wrong they aren't doing anything wrong. They are trying to get ahead and I see no issues with that. Is it fair to fans who love that series and now possibly will have to wait because they have a PS3 unfortunately no, but this has been happening for a long time.

[QUOTE="-Patriots"][QUOTE="excelR83"]

Ah, good old Microsoft. Their company ideals of "why develop or create something when you can pay someone else that has already done the legwork" is just inspiring to behold. The way they throw money around and slander their opponents is truly American, and makes me want to collect unemployment while I sit on my ass.

Has Microsoft or anyone under the employ of Microsoft ever actually had an original thought? This buying exclusives thing is really getting ridiculous.

Seriously though if this is true I will be too livid for words.

Microsoft: Step to the plate and get one of your multimillionaire-salaried employees to use his overeducated brain to develop an ORIGINAL IP. BRAWN > BRAIN, you go MS!

excelR83

What you got against americans? Also you are aware sony has done the same right?

Well, for starters, there's that kneejerk let's-start-a-fight reactionary bull**** that you just demonstrated which keeps people from questioning how things are and why. There's certainly that.

Sony is a big corporation. They are certainly shady and as I said, no angels. I'm not defending them.

Microsoft... come on. PLEASE try and explain to me how an MS Office bundle, which is just SOFTWARE, and was developed by basically just doing minor tweaks to the previous years programs, is worth $900. I would really like to know that. There is profit, and there is "well we are the only one making this product, what will people realistically pay for this? Just how badly can we milk these idiots before they revolt". It's capitalism at the expense of people, and I just can't bring myself to agree with that.

Hey I will agree that there are a lot of things that are outragous but what they do is not illegal. Same thing goes with Oil companies, and every other industry out there regardless if it resides here in the U.S. or not. Also how much money do you think MS loses because of piracy of that so called $900 piece of software? I bet a lot, see it goes hand in hand, maybe if piracy wasn't as bad as it was. It probably wouldn't be so high now would it?

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

[QUOTE="naval"]Here we go again, MS once again using their monetary power rather than any enhancing quality of their product to winst1ka

Here we go again another person thinking that it is just MS in the gaming world that does this. :roll:

most probably no one does it more than MS, but seeing you have a gamertag you are going to deny that.

also fyi , MS has been doing such stuff since longtime back and they have payed so much in fines for monopolisti policies that no company can come even close.

remember: nintendo did very similar things for the NES and the SNES except at the time there weren´t laws forbiding this type of attitude in the videogame industry

sony: is no saint either, i cant think of any other company that was able to..."persuade" more then 250 companys to create games (most were exclusives) to a console belonging to a company with no experience in gaming during a time where the industry was completly dominated by the competition (nintendo and sega)

well i don't follow these companies gaming habits so i really don't have much idea of what they did, but overall they never tried to crush their products by the money power alone. do you have any link for what sony did ? also, if the other companies have done such things earlier, why arn't they doing the same now ?

[QUOTE="excelR83"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Cbok"]Yep MS are scum. They really think that they can plug up the hole of their sinking ship by throwing money at it? MS are comparable to oil companies. Pure Scum.xscrapzx

Ahh yes, those evil oil companies, the bane of kind, loving, and generous people all over the world. How dare those bastards charge money for their goods when they should be giving them away, and operating indefintely at a loss!

/sarcasm

Seriously people, what the hell is with all the anti-profit, anti-capitalist, bull **** in this thread? It's starting to piss me off a good bit, seeing tons of people here practically saying "that evil Microsoft, how dare they want to make money!"

WTH is wrong with this generation, man? When did so many ****ing people start acting like 'profit" is a dirty word?

It's past the point of making me sad; it makes me sick to my stomach.:|

Speaking of sick to my stomach...

It's the fact that profit is THE ONLY THING that makes me sick. Nothing wrong with making money. Buy for a penny, sell for two. What sickens me is the kind of greed we have in the world that allows 1% of people to control the vast majority of the money while most of the world still lives in inhumane conditions. I'm not some kind of drippy hippy but I'm tired of seeing society homogenized and roboticized year after year, and people like you facilitate it by buying into this "IT'S JUST BUSINESS LOL GOGO PROFIT" mentality.

If you can't see the difference between making a profit and completely ignoring all sense of what we as a society consider "values" and "morals" in exchange for a bigger house, an extra car, a new horizonless pool etc. then this discussion is dead in the water.

Don't even get me started on oil companies. I used to work for the biggest one out there (yep, that one).

Wow talk about going above and beyond what this original subject had to offer. So in your eyes businesses are not supposed to get ahead of the competition? They are supposed to throw what money they have out there to try to gain a competative edge? How do you think competition starts? I can't believe I'm seeing half the things you are typing right now. If it wasn't for that type of competition you wouldn't even have the gaming variety you have now, just get over it. I'm sure if this was the case about RE5 people who have the PS3 are going to get it or people who have the intent of doing so will get it when it is available as well.

ROFL

I can't believe I just read that.

You are contradicting yourself so hugely it's unbelievable. You are claiming you support competition, when all MS buying exclusives up and trying to eliminate the competition does is well uhh ELIMINATE COMPETITION. With no competition you have a monopoly. Wtf is so difficult to understand about this. Microsoft doesn't stop at #1. They have to be the only one. Why do you think they have been hit with antitrust suits? Those don't exactly happen every day.

I hate it when companies (Not just MS, Sony and Ninty have done it too) do things like this, it just screws over people who own the opposing console and have to wait months for their version to release. As an owner of both PS3 and 360, this doesn't benefit me in the slightest. I would much prefer it if MS used their money to develop entirely new games instead of bribing developers.Floppy_Jim

MS thinks they can win Japan by buying the proven franchises there. Only problem is no one is buying their system so the games might flop hard.

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Cbok"]Yep MS are scum. They really think that they can plug up the hole of their sinking ship by throwing money at it? MS are comparable to oil companies. Pure Scum.excelR83

Ahh yes, those evil oil companies, the bane of kind, loving, and generous people all over the world. How dare those bastards charge money for their goods when they should be giving them away, and operating indefintely at a loss!

/sarcasm

Seriously people, what the hell is with all the anti-profit, anti-capitalist, bull **** in this thread? It's starting to piss me off a good bit, seeing tons of people here practically saying "that evil Microsoft, how dare they want to make money!"

WTH is wrong with this generation, man? When did so many ****ing people start acting like 'profit" is a dirty word?

It's past the point of making me sad; it makes me sick to my stomach.:|

Speaking of sick to my stomach...

It's the fact that profit is THE ONLY THING that makes me sick. Nothing wrong with making money. Buy for a penny, sell for two. What sickens me is the kind of greed we have in the world that allows 1% of people to control the vast majority of the money while most of the world still lives in inhumane conditions. I'm not some kind of drippy hippy but I'm tired of seeing society homogenized and roboticized year after year, and people like you facilitate it by buying into this "IT'S JUST BUSINESS LOL GOGO PROFIT" mentality.

If you can't see the difference between making a profit and completely ignoring all sense of what we as a society consider "values" and "morals" in exchange for a bigger house, an extra car, a new horizonless pool etc. then this discussion is dead in the water.

Don't even get me started on oil companies. I used to work for the biggest one out there (yep, that one).

Humanity is at its best when the individual is celebrated, and when individual achievement is placed as the primary goal in a society.

You say that 1% of people in the world control the vast majority of the money, and the rest live in inhumane conditions, but if that is indeed the case (and, pending your definition of "inhumane, I can nearly assure you that the statistics do not back you up) where do the other 99% of people in the world live? It certainly isn't in nations with free markets like the United States, a country that has an incredibly high level of its population living in comfort.

No, I would certainly say that the vast majority of people living in inhumane conditions today are living in nations in which the government is placed in charge of the market; in nations where man is not free to dream, nor to achieve those dreams in a free market.

You say the principles of capitalism (ie, greed) are evil, but the true evil is happening in nations that restrict the right of the average citizen to go, and to produce, and to profit.

You wish to find the most free of all men? Look for the man who is most willing and able to make for himself.

You wish to find the most enslaved of all men? Look for the man who bows to the needs of the many.

Capitalism isn't evil; rather, it is a bastion of good in a world of power hungry sycophants looking to manipulate and enslave humanity under the banner of generosity and brotherly love.

well i don't follow these companies gaming habits so i really don't have much idea of what they did, but overall they never tried to crush their products by the money power alone. do you have any link for what sony did ? also, if the other companies have done such things earlier, why arn't they doing the same now ?

naval

at the time the legislation for the gaming industry was not has advanced, tactics that would considered monopolistic today were accepted back then in the video game industry

for example:

Nintendo at the time forced an exclusivity contract to all companies that launched games on the NES the contract said that if they launch on the NES then they would have to wait (3 years i believe) before launching that same game on any other system, be it console, PC or otherwise (arcades were the exception)

as for sony:

i dont have a link to prove what i say, all i can show you is how they killed sega by what in my opinion transpires of mass bribery here:

watch this

check it out at 3:04 "sony does anything it can to round up third party developers to support the playstation and is able to assigne 250 companies in japan alone"

the Playstation one was launched in japan in December 4 1994, Virtua fighter (the reason as to why third party developers started focusing on 3D as the documentary says) was was launched in November 1993

care to explain how does one company with no experience in gaming what-so-ever manages to convince 250 gaming companies to produce games for a market which was thougt to be over saturaded at the time? remember: there was sega, nintendo, 3DO, the Jaguar, Pippin, all of them were either already out or nearing heir launch dates and thats not even mentioning the handheld markets

st1ka

so your saying 250 companys suddenly all decided to switch for the playstation in one year even though the market was being monopolized by sega and nintendo? Even though sony had no experience in the gaming market other then making parts? Even though the 3DO, the Pippin the jaguar as well as the next gen sega and nintendo consoles were on their way? even though the sega megadrive/genesis and the super nintendo were still highly profitable platforms? Doesnt that sound like financial suicide? and out of all the consoles available they choose the playstation? all of them in one collective hive mind?

st1ka

I doubt it. Capcom is too big of a company to play by childish rules like that. It could potentially damage the sales of millions of copies of RE 5. bstarter29

If MS DID pay them, than im sure Capcom asked for an amount around what they feel would be a sufficient difference of what they expected to sell cross platform. In the long run I actually think it works out better for Capcom in this sense given that if they released multiplatform initially they sell a lesser number PER system than in a single system release. This way they gain more sales on a single platform (for a time) as well as likely earn the amount they expected from that systems share of profits.

[QUOTE="lusitanogamer"]If true, this is one more reason for a lot of people to hate MS. I could understand them paying for exclusive extra content, but paying to have the game time exclusive is a crime for a lot of PS3 owners only that are so eagerly waiting for this game, myself included.marklarmer

Yes, because Sony are such an honorable company copying features off XBL.

Do you know who else copied someone? Microsoft. Don't you think Atari (at least I think it was the first "console") has something to say about that?

[QUOTE="excelR83"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="excelR83"]

The point is that most of us like to complain when we are getting hooped, and nobody likes the "voice of reason" to come along and tell you that you really should have been home more often and that's why your girlfriend slept with your brother.

heretrix

To wit: Bad choices:

Your girlfriend sleeping with your brother. A. Don't date a slut B. Pay more attention to your girl

You don't want to buy a 360. Fine, but don't complain that MS is doing something to satisfy their fanbase. Why should they make you happy? You don't want their system. The fact that they are makeing you mad, means they are doing their job correctly for THEIR fanbase.

Holy **** did you ever miss the point.

I just said that rationality doesn't come into play in a situation like this, sometimes you just want to complain without some douche ass voice of reason stepping in with some factual-based nerdery.

Just because the system is the system doesn't mean you have to like it. If the tables were turned you would be saying the same thing.

But yeah, that was quite the slice of "ownage". Why do I keep coming here.

As for me not liking it because it's not on my system, I don't waste time on nonsense like that. I have all of the systems except for the Wii (I sold it). If a game comes out that I want I BUY it. Having a loyalty to a corporation that doesn't give a rats ass about me is silly beyond all comprehension.

Well if it's on the 360 at xmas and not the PS3...guess which one will definitely sell more?

No I do realize that they do this alot, I'm not a blind you know? Just because I have a gamertag doesn't mean that I'm blind to facts of reality. The bottom line is that MS is throwing some money out there to get an upper edge of the competition and what they are doing is not against the law. Monopolies are also legal as long as they stay within the laws that make it legal.

The problem if you have the money to make more money why wouldn't YOU do it? If you owned MS or Sony for that matter and you are trying to get more market share and more money are you not going to throw some money out there if it is going to help you? If you say you wouldn't you wouldn't make it in business. No matter how much you think it is wrong they aren't doing anything wrong. They are trying to get ahead and I see no issues with that. Is it fair to fans who love that series and now possibly will have to wait because they have a PS3 unfortunately no, but this has been happening for a long time.

xscrapzx

while it's not illegal but its certainly looks to be on the boundary of legal-non legal. anyways, it doesn't change the fact that MS have always followed unscruplous practices. they are throttling competiton which is good for progress by using the money power. so why should i like that.

also, here is a food for though : let's say tree cutting is not illegal , would you like a company destroys all the natural forests by cutting trees jus to make more money ?

[QUOTE="excelR83"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Cbok"]Yep MS are scum. They really think that they can plug up the hole of their sinking ship by throwing money at it? MS are comparable to oil companies. Pure Scum.jethrovegas

Ahh yes, those evil oil companies, the bane of kind, loving, and generous people all over the world. How dare those bastards charge money for their goods when they should be giving them away, and operating indefintely at a loss!

/sarcasm

Seriously people, what the hell is with all the anti-profit, anti-capitalist, bull **** in this thread? It's starting to piss me off a good bit, seeing tons of people here practically saying "that evil Microsoft, how dare they want to make money!"

WTH is wrong with this generation, man? When did so many ****ing people start acting like 'profit" is a dirty word?

It's past the point of making me sad; it makes me sick to my stomach.:|

Speaking of sick to my stomach...

It's the fact that profit is THE ONLY THING that makes me sick. Nothing wrong with making money. Buy for a penny, sell for two. What sickens me is the kind of greed we have in the world that allows 1% of people to control the vast majority of the money while most of the world still lives in inhumane conditions. I'm not some kind of drippy hippy but I'm tired of seeing society homogenized and roboticized year after year, and people like you facilitate it by buying into this "IT'S JUST BUSINESS LOL GOGO PROFIT" mentality.

If you can't see the difference between making a profit and completely ignoring all sense of what we as a society consider "values" and "morals" in exchange for a bigger house, an extra car, a new horizonless pool etc. then this discussion is dead in the water.

Don't even get me started on oil companies. I used to work for the biggest one out there (yep, that one).

Humanity is at its best when the indvidual is celebrated, and when individual achievement is placed as the primary goal in a society.

You say that 1% of people in the world control the vast majority of the money, and the rest live in inhumane conditions, but if that is indeed the case (and, pending your definition of "inhumane, I can nearly assure you that the statistics do not back you up) where do the other 99% of people in the world live? It certainly isn't in nations with free markets like the United States, a country that has an incredibly high level of its population living in comfort.

No, I would certainly say that the vast majority of people living in inhumane conditions today are living in nations in which the government is placed in charge of the market; in nations where man is not free to dream, nor to achieve those dreams in a free market.

You say the principles of capitalism (ie, greed) are evil, but the true evil is happening in nations that restrict the right of the average citizen to go, and to produce, and to profit.

You wish to find the most free of all men? Look for the man who is most willing and able to make for himself.

You wish to find the most enslaved of all men? Look for the man who bows to the needs of the many.

Capitalism isn't evil; rather, it is a bastion of good in a world of power hungry sycophants looking to manipulate and enslave humanity under the banner of generosity and brotherly love.

Heh. First off, READ AGAIN, I said most. I didn't say 99% of people live in inhumane conditions. 1% of people (and Jesus Christ it's not even a real number) control the vast majority of money, power, and influence, while most of the world is lucky to have a decent sewage system. There are still a lot of us yuppy raised on TV suburbanites that are neither very rich nor very poor. However, most of the world (and yeah statistics will back me up) doesn't have the same standard of living that we do.

You are really going out of your way to make this a BLACK and WHITE issue. It isn't. You don't need to be a communist or an extreme capitalist. There is a grey area which most of us live in. As I said, so, so, so many goddamned times in this thread, there is nothing wrong with profit. It's when you throw your mother in front of a train for profit that we cease to become humans and I think if that's what our society is coming to, bring on armageddon before my kids have to suffer any of this bull****.

Capitalism is good because it rewards the hardest workers, the smartest people, but it also rewards the most conniving and devious. I just don't know why enough is never enough. Money makes people revert to their most basic animal survival instincts. It strips us of all this "civility" we pretend that our environment, through nurture has instilled in us. Money can change us into animals in the blink of an eye. That's what I find depressing.

I guarantee you're a big fan of capitalism because it has worked out in your favor, and I'd be willing to bet you've never been poor.