[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

I can imagine how often that happens to cows. 11% failure rate with a warranty like that, wow.

EndorphinMaster

On N4g.com there is an article about a woman in Australia that had a PS3 break after two years and Sony wanted her to pay $315 AU Dollars to fix it.

Wow Sony, why?!

bububut teh PS3s don't break :cry:

But they do, according to cows' beloved and indisputable GI poll :lol:.

http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pop/lm_failureRates.html

There's nothing wrong with the PS3. ANY electronic is just as likely to break. And Pretty much no company offers more then a year warranty, hell most don't even go past 3 months. So by trying to make the PS3 look bad, you actuall just said that it's well within industry standards, while the 360 isn't even close.

TC, you know surveys does not always come true at all, do you?

Alot of products fail at launch because of not trust worthy surveys.

Surveys have alot of errors and sometimes people who answers do it according to what they think is the right answer instead of what they think what they would do/experience in real life.

Let's say a company is making a survey for environment friendly car they want to sell and they want to know if it is appealing to people or not, most people would answer that it is a good concept and they like the idea, these same people may never buy the car in real life when they decide to buy a new car.

Same thing could happen in this survey.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] Me too.

DeadMagazines

Why they replace it? I'm on my 5th Xbox 360 and I don't regret the purchase at all.

I've owned over a dozen consoles dating back into the 8bit generation. None of them broke down on me. I take extra care of my electronics, well ventilated, always dusted on a weekly basis. Tell me again that it's my fault. Tell me how one of them broke two days after getting it. Do go on. :|

Doesn't matter if the poll has some holes, the RROD has been a problem since the early days of 360, its definitely a major problem. It might not be so big as to be over 50% overall (Possibly, but improbable), still the PS3 and Wii are definitely near the number of problems with hardware failure as 360.

I just hope they can fix the problem instead of denying it any further.

I would think it's more than 54% falure rate. More like every single one breaks or is going to break. Worst console I've ever owned. Then broke. Then bought a PS3.

Doesn't matter if the poll has some holes, the RROD has been a problem since the early days of 360, its definitely a major problem. It might not be so big as to be over 50% overall (Possibly, but improbable), still the PS3 and Wii are definitely near the number of problems with hardware failure as 360.

I just hope they can fix the problem instead of denying it any further.

SPYDER0416

who cares? It DOES have the best warranty. And great games.Jandurin

I care, considering I bought a 360 round about the time when Dead Rising came out which eventually broke... I had to buy another pro model brand new because the guys at customer service were ****ing stunted.

[QUOTE="TheTrystero024"]God, I love the SW forums. :lol: Forget about the game videos and articles. Just go straight to System Wars and be entertained by threads like these. I didn't know that 5000 GI subcribers = 28 million 360 owners. LMAOWilliamRLBaker

This has been debunked enough times already.IronBass

Has it? Why doesn't anyone provide anything at least convincing?

There are so many relates, polls, surveys, media article, etc on how the hardware is really bad and has that design flaw, but there is no direct and material refutal of that information. Why can't MS release at least the official failure %? The last one they released is already almost 3 years old.

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

On N4g.com there is an article about a woman in Australia that had a PS3 break after two years and Sony wanted her to pay $315 AU Dollars to fix it.

enygma500

Wow Sony, why?!

bububut teh PS3s don't break :cry:

But they do, according to cows' beloved and indisputable GI poll :lol:.

http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pop/lm_failureRates.html

There's nothing wrong with the PS3. ANY electronic is just as likely to break. And Pretty much no company offers more then a year warranty, hell most don't even go past 3 months. So by trying to make the PS3 look bad, you actuall just said that it's well within industry standards, while the 360 isn't even close.

Well within industry standards? 11% failure rate? :shock:

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="TheTrystero024"]God, I love the SW forums. :lol: Forget about the game videos and articles. Just go straight to System Wars and be entertained by threads like these. I didn't know that 5000 GI subcribers = 28 million 360 owners. LMAOTheTrystero024

[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Why they replace it? I'm on my 5th Xbox 360 and I don't regret the purchase at all.

-RPGamer-

I've owned over a dozen consoles dating back into the 8bit generation. None of them broke down on me. I take extra care of my electronics, well ventilated, always dusted on a weekly basis. Tell me again that it's my fault. Tell me how one of them broke two days after getting it. Do go on. :|

Don't you get it?

All this polemic around 360's hardware, that has accompanied the console since it's launch is not the hardware's design flaw fault, it's the users' fault!

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

Wow Sony, why?!

bububut teh PS3s don't break :cry:

But they do, according to cows' beloved and indisputable GI poll :lol:.

EndorphinMaster

http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pop/lm_failureRates.html

There's nothing wrong with the PS3. ANY electronic is just as likely to break. And Pretty much no company offers more then a year warranty, hell most don't even go past 3 months. So by trying to make the PS3 look bad, you actuall just said that it's well within industry standards, while the 360 isn't even close.

Well within industry standards? 11% failure rate? :shock:

[QUOTE="IronBass"]This has been debunked enough times already.SambaLele

Has it? Why doesn't anyone provide anything at least convincing?

There are so many relates, polls, surveys, media article, etc on how the hardware is really bad and has that design flaw, but there is no direct and material refutal of that information. Why can't MS release at least the official failure %? The last one they released is already almost 3 years old.

Convincing yourself that the poll is accurate isn't going to make it true.

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]This has been debunked enough times already.EndorphinMaster

Has it? Why doesn't anyone provide anything at least convincing?

There are so many relates, polls, surveys, media article, etc on how the hardware is really bad and has that design flaw, but there is no direct and material refutal of that information. Why can't MS release at least the official failure %? The last one they released is already almost 3 years old.

Convincing yourself that the poll is accurate isn't going to make it true.

That's why i didn't just mention the poll.

I'm mentioning the tons of articles, relates and surveys that were made since the console's release.

Not one of those was ever proven to be wrong.

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pop/lm_failureRates.html

There's nothing wrong with the PS3. ANY electronic is just as likely to break. And Pretty much no company offers more then a year warranty, hell most don't even go past 3 months. So by trying to make the PS3 look bad, you actuall just said that it's well within industry standards, while the 360 isn't even close.

enygma500

Well within industry standards? 11% failure rate? :shock:

Squaretrade? The same company that researched the 360's failure rate to be 16%, barely over your "industry standard"? You need to make up your mind regarding which source you'd like to trust.

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

Has it? Why doesn't anyone provide anything at least convincing?

There are so many relates, polls, surveys, media article, etc on how the hardware is really bad and has that design flaw, but there is no direct and material refutal of that information. Why can't MS release at least the official failure %? The last one they released is already almost 3 years old.

SambaLele

Convincing yourself that the poll is accurate isn't going to make it true.

That's why i didn't just mention the poll.

I'm mentioning the tons of articles, relates and surveys that were made since the console's release.

Not one of those was ever proven to be wrong.

More polls? Automatic fail. :lol:

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]This has been debunked enough times already.EndorphinMaster

Has it? Why doesn't anyone provide anything at least convincing?

There are so many relates, polls, surveys, media article, etc on how the hardware is really bad and has that design flaw, but there is no direct and material refutal of that information. Why can't MS release at least the official failure %? The last one they released is already almost 3 years old.

Convincing yourself that the poll is accurate isn't going to make it true.

As it stand we have a poll giving a 54% failure rate and MS saying nothing to contradict this number. With no other official source debunking this, what make you so sure the poll is wrong? it could go either way.

[QUOTE="TheTrystero024"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] didn't you know? half of all 360 sales are repurchases after a 360 fails. so the actual number is like 14 million owners.enygma500

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="TheTrystero024"] Oops. My bad. The way the sheeps and cows are jumping for joy over the poll results, you'd think these numbers are really accurate :lol: You're right, using their logic the correct numbers would be 14 million.TheTrystero024

They somehow find it satisfying to believe that poll numbers are satisfying. How strange.

[QUOTE="TheTrystero024"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] didn't you know? half of all 360 sales are repurchases after a 360 fails. so the actual number is like 14 million owners.enygma500

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

Well within industry standards? 11% failure rate? :shock:

EndorphinMaster

Squaretrade? The same company that researched the 360's failure rate to be 16%, barely over your "industry standard"? You need to make up your mind regarding which source you'd like to trust.

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="TheTrystero024"] Oops. My bad. The way the sheeps and cows are jumping for joy over the poll results, you'd think these numbers are really accurate :lol: You're right, using their logic the correct numbers would be 14 million.vaderhater

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]Check the link BEFORE you make yourself look like a fool. Just for future reference. Standard is 15% after 3-4 years.

enygma500

Squaretrade? The same company that researched the 360's failure rate to be 16%, barely over your "industry standard"? You need to make up your mind regarding which source you'd like to trust.

You don't get it do you? When you try to use Squaretrade as your credible source, you're admiting that the failure rate is 16% because that is also another result of Squaretrade's researchs. Unless you change your mind?

Way to shoot yourself in the foot microsoft.

samuraiguns

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]Oh the irony. You basically say that none of the 360 sales were re-buyers when a poster right above says he had to buy a second 1. It was like it was meant to be. I wouldn't doubt if about 5 million xbox's were just people buying another after running out of warranty or wanting a spare while one is in gettin repaired.

enygma500

Engadget

Admittedly, when we saw Game Informer's survey that pegged Xbox 360'sfailure rate at 54.2 percent, we were thinking that was a bit steep of a number, possibly bumped up a few digits from some possible sampling errors. So when we were gearing up to read Microsoft's statement responding to the data, we fully expected some harsh rebuttal of the number. Turns out we got disappointed. A spokesperson for Redmond pointed to its superior entertainment value, its "best warranty in the industry" and its "constantly improving design, manufacture, and performance." At no point is there a dispute or even direct reference to the findings, which is really something that could've helped public perception on a nagging issue. How abouttaking a page from Fujifilm, eh Microsoft?

GodofBigMacs

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

Squaretrade? The same company that researched the 360's failure rate to be 16%, barely over your "industry standard"? You need to make up your mind regarding which source you'd like to trust.

EndorphinMaster

You don't get it do you? When you try to use Squaretrade as your credible source, you're admiting that the failure rate is 16% because that is also another result of Squaretrade's researchs. Unless you change your mind?

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]"Best warranty in the industry" :lol: Well.....that's true.PS3_3DO

And "worst warranty in the industry: Sony" :lol: hope you dont' get the yellow light after the first year!

I have a launch 60GB, it is used and abused a lot; its left on overnight all the time. I have never had a problem with it.

It helps when you don't buy your hardware from a software company ;)

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

Way to shoot yourself in the foot microsoft.

gamer620

The answer to that dilema is to be competant and don't give people a reason to **** in the first place. If MS had done things right back in 05 it probably wouldn't even be an issue by now.

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Well I guess they should have looked at their warranties. Mabey these "rebuyers" should have bough a PS3 instead ......but they didnt. How telling.

vaderhater

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]Yes cause that has any relation to the 15% fail rate of ANY CONSUMER ELECTRONIC (AS IN NOT LIMITED TO CONSOLES) over 3-4 years:roll:

enygma500

You don't get it do you? When you try to use Squaretrade as your credible source, you're admiting that the failure rate is 16% because that is also another result of Squaretrade's researchs. Unless you change your mind?

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"] Telling of what? maybe they had already purchase a huge library of 360 games which only trade in for $10. re-buying a console isn't proof of quality.

enygma500

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

Convincing yourself that the poll is accurate isn't going to make it true.

EndorphinMaster

That's why i didn't just mention the poll.

I'm mentioning the tons of articles, relates and surveys that were made since the console's release.

Not one of those was ever proven to be wrong.

More polls? Automatic fail. :lol:

EB Games and Best Buy: "360's Failure rate around 33%"

The funny thing is that it's and article from 2007, and by that time the Wii and PS3's failure rate was still around 1%. Things have changed uh?

Xbox 360 Failure Rate: 30% says retailers

Those were really easy to find and are not polls. You can find lots of other articles with evidences that the defect ratio is really high, beyond any other system.

Can you still counter these solely with your faith?

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Why would they trade in the games when they could ebay or privately sell them? Also yes rebuying a console isnt proof of hardware quality . So then I ask why did they Rebuy huh?:)

vaderhater

The reason why PS3 failure rate is unnoticed perhaps because the degree of the hardware failure is minimal or less nuisance. RROD on the other hand, is quite a phenomenon and controversial hardware failure that even the media took notice of it. Posting percentage of hardware failure is irrelevant. What's relevant is whether the problem can be fixed or just marginalized. That's the difference between PS3 and X360 hardware failure.

Zaistev_basic

regardless of how much more the failure rate is of the 360, a 10.6% failure rate is far above the norm of products which usually ranges between 1-3% (which continues to be what PS3 fans believe to be the failure rate of the PS3). If you want to believe that this poll is accurate you have to realise that the PS3 has problems as well (albeit much less than the 360) that Sony is doing nothing to remedy, or you can believe that these polls are inaccurate due to the large increase in the failure rates for all 3 consoles due to fanboyism compared to the data released before this poll.

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

You don't get it do you? When you try to use Squaretrade as your credible source, you're admiting that the failure rate is 16% because that is also another result of Squaretrade's researchs. Unless you change your mind?

vaderhater

[QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"]

The reason why PS3 failure rate is unnoticed perhaps because the degree of the hardware failure is minimal or less nuisance. RROD on the other hand, is quite a phenomenon and controversial hardware failure that even the media took notice of it. Posting percentage of hardware failure is irrelevant. What's relevant is whether the problem can be fixed or just marginalized. That's the difference between PS3 and X360 hardware failure.

opex07

regardless of how much more the failure rate is of the 360, a 10.6% failure rate is far above the norm of products which usually ranges between 1-3% (which continues to be what PS3 fans believe to be the failure rate of the PS3). If you want to believe that this poll is accurate you have to realise that the PS3 has problems as well (albeit much less than the 360) that Sony is doing nothing to remedy, or you can believe that these polls are inaccurate due to the large increase in the failure rates for all 3 consoles due to fanboyism compared to the data released before this poll.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]Unless squaretrade handles all of MS's warranty work then their number is already faulted. Sure, of the 360 warranties they sell they could have only seen a 16% fail rate. But how many 360's do they warranty? It never says. it could be 10, it could be all of the 360's in america or in the UK. We have no idea. Sorry to point out the obvious to you though.

enygma500

[QUOTE="opex07"]

[QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"]

The reason why PS3 failure rate is unnoticed perhaps because the degree of the hardware failure is minimal or less nuisance. RROD on the other hand, is quite a phenomenon and controversial hardware failure that even the media took notice of it. Posting percentage of hardware failure is irrelevant. What's relevant is whether the problem can be fixed or just marginalized. That's the difference between PS3 and X360 hardware failure.

enygma500

regardless of how much more the failure rate is of the 360, a 10.6% failure rate is far above the norm of products which usually ranges between 1-3% (which continues to be what PS3 fans believe to be the failure rate of the PS3). If you want to believe that this poll is accurate you have to realise that the PS3 has problems as well (albeit much less than the 360) that Sony is doing nothing to remedy, or you can believe that these polls are inaccurate due to the large increase in the failure rates for all 3 consoles due to fanboyism compared to the data released before this poll.

Makes sense.

From this article: 360's failure rate by 2007 was of about 33%, and PS3 and Wii's were around 1%.

The new data found from GameInformer makes sense if you count the progressive range you mentioned.

Here's the article:

Failure Rate: Xbox 360 High As 33% - Sony PS3 & Nintendo Wii Less Than 1%

[QUOTE="vaderhater"] If I own 20 360 games and a bunch of peripherals, like rockband sets and such. Why would I then sell everything for $100 and start fresh on a new console. It makes no sense whatsoever. That's all I'm trying to say.

enygma500

People that have it happen more than 2 or 3 times are doing something wrong, enclosing it in ovens or putting stuff on top..5 times without taking care of it properly seems unlikely. DeadMagazines

Not really true. I'm on my 3rd, and I keep mine well ventalated. I think the deal with multiples is this. When you are unfortunate enough to get one that red rings you send yours in and get a refurbished red ring system. Looks like the chance of systems re-red ringing is really high, because it seems that everyone that gets thier system "fixed" ends up getting another red ring. Then again, some folks never get it.

It isn't breaking news though. Whats the big deal? Everyone here knows the systems red ring. If you don't want one, don't get one. If you do want one, know there is a good chance it will red ring. Nuff said.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Doesn't matter if the poll has some holes, the RROD has been a problem since the early days of 360, its definitely a major problem. It might not be so big as to be over 50% overall (Possibly, but improbable), still the PS3 and Wii are definitely near the number of problems with hardware failure as 360.

I just hope they can fix the problem instead of denying it any further.

enygma500

OH **** my bad, I meant NOT near.

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]Yes cause that has any relation to the 15% fail rate of ANY CONSUMER ELECTRONIC (AS IN NOT LIMITED TO CONSOLES) over 3-4 years:roll:

enygma500

You don't get it do you? When you try to use Squaretrade as your credible source, you're admiting that the failure rate is 16% because that is also another result of Squaretrade's researchs. Unless you change your mind?

:lol: Yet, somehow the 5000 people surveyed represents the 360 user base? Your logic is flawed and hypocritical.

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Well I got lots of dvd's so why get a Blu-Ray player?

vaderhater

Even if this is fake (which it most likely is). The 360 still has a high **** failure rate and I will never understand why M$ fanboys defend it to this day.

Even if this is fake (which it most likely is). The 360 still has a high **** failure rate and I will never understand why M$ fanboys defend it to this day.

Azatos

Nobody denies that 360 has a high failure rate. Some people just like to tell themselves that the failure rate is 54%.

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

You don't get it do you? When you try to use Squaretrade as your credible source, you're admiting that the failure rate is 16% because that is also another result of Squaretrade's researchs. Unless you change your mind?

EndorphinMaster

Yet, somehow the 5000 people surveyed represents the 360 user base? Your logic is flawed and hypocritical.

I already said the poll could be false or the poll could be true. But as of right now it's the most recent number we have and MS doesn't flat out deny it.

[QUOTE="Azatos"]

Even if this is fake (which it most likely is). The 360 still has a high **** failure rate and I will never understand why M$ fanboys defend it to this day.

EndorphinMaster

Nobody denies that 360 has a high failure rate. Some people just like to tell themselves that the failure rate is 54%.

No you're twisting my words, yet again. As you do in every other thread we argue, at which point you report me for some stupid reason, usually about the time I prove you wrong and you don't come back.

enygma500

What? :?:lol: Are you making up scenarios in your head now?