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It voids the warranty but they don't destroy your car.RedruM_I

And they didn't destroy these Xboxes. They still work just fine. The hardware powers up, and should still be able to play games. You just can't use a non-MS storage device or connect to MS' network. I'm sure someone will work around the storage device issue, and as for the network, well, too bad - your right to do whatever you want with your property doesn't extend to someone else's network.

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Hey, if you're going to ban a million users, at least do it AFTER your IPs are well out the door :P. Then slap on the ban right when another awesome game comes out to really stick it to 'em! I have no problem with Microsoft cracking down at a time like that, TBH. Sure it's a little dirty, but so is "modifying" your console to enable pirated games (which in turn bites honest people like me in the ass in the long run :evil: ). DethSkematik

Exactly, I can't believe people feel sorry for the pirates.

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WTF..People are spinning the banning of individuals that pirate…...what a sad day...

Pirates are the scum that feed on the slime that resides at the bottom of a waste treatment facility..they should be treated as such...

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I hope MS wins. Those hackers take their chances and they need to accept the consequences. I wish the consequences were larger than simply having their accounts disabled. For example, it would be great if they got nailed like that one lady did for having all the illegally downloaded music files.

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I hope MS wins. Those hackers take their chances and they need to accept the consequences. I wish the consequences were larger than simply having their accounts disabled. For example, it would be great if they got nailed like that one lady did for having all the illegally downloaded music files.Fumpa

Here's the thing, there really is no case. Anyone who has bought a 360 and has set up an XBL account has already agreed to this. This whole thing is a joke. It's just like when people sign up for gamespot and agree to the TOS and get banned for breaking the terms. It's why companies create them.

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Next time read the ToS you accept.

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lol @ cows trying to spin banning hackers/modders into something negative :P

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I'm not particularly defending these "pirates" but I guess all you people saying they are the scum of the Earth have never had an illegal program or file on your computer EVER!! that's pretty impressive I guess :P

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lol @ cows trying to spin banning hackers/modders into something negative :Pnavyguy21

yeah, the TC is a big cow, this isnt the first topic he has made spinning the banning of pirates on xbox live. The only ones i feel bad about are those who were trying to get around the overpriced harddrives for the 360 and got banned.

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#61 Midnightshade29

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[QUOTE="BlackTragedy"]
lol who cares if they banned the hackers at a time so they would feel the pain. Microsoft can ban them when they want and thats the risk of being a hacker.
OneLazyAsian

Yes, cause wanting a reasonably priced HDD is hacking.

I know right, how could these people not want 100x over priced micro$oft hard drives and wifi? I say burn them let them rot... /sarcasm

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#62 Midnightshade29

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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]
[QUOTE="hot114"]They wont have to, all they have to admit to is replacing the HDD.Doctor-McNinja

Replacing the HDD already results in a ban? Who would want such a rule? That is ridiculous.

This is untrue, and an awful lot of people who got banned are suddenly claiming this is all they did. You cannot just 'replace' the HDD. It's a proprietary device made just for the 360. In order to use another one, you need to make significant modifications to the console. And once again, an awful lot of these modded HDDs have terabites of storage for storing.... guess what? Pirated games. If someone did genuinely go to all the trouble of modding their 360 just so they could use their own HDD, i guess that sucks for them. But if they're savvy enough to do that they must surely be aware of the fact that you're not supposed to do it. After all, xbox live does remind you plenty of times that any mods to the console at all = xbox live ban. It's only fair.

I guess it's only fair then when a 120 gb hard drive cost $100 and you can't use another brands hard drive with-out the chance of getting banned now? Why do you lemmings side with getting ripped off? Seriously. I can get a terrabyte hard-drive from any manufactuer and place it in my ps3 without voiding the warranty , hell instructions on how to do this are in the ps3 manual - and at the same $100 cost of the 120gb , thats ps3 -1000gb vs 120gb for the same money... of course people are going to want to do that! Not everyone with a custom hd on 360 is a pirtate, they do sell movie rentals, demos and you can put you videos demos, mp3s and photos on there can't you? that takes up space you know. I have a 320gb hd in my ps3, guess what I only have 60gb left from all the stuff i download from the psn store or that I transfer over.

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[QUOTE="OneLazyAsian"]
[QUOTE="BlackTragedy"]
lol who cares if they banned the hackers at a time so they would feel the pain. Microsoft can ban them when they want and thats the risk of being a hacker.
Midnightshade29

Yes, cause wanting a reasonably priced HDD is hacking.

I know right, how could these people not want 100x over priced micro$oft hard drives and wifi? I say burn them let them rot... /sarcasm

That's assuming that ALL of these people are doing it for that reason which is pure nonsense. Either way if you break the TOS for any reason you will get banned and that's what happened. Yes it sucks for some people but if you know enough to flash your HD and use an off market part then you know enough to know that you broke the TOS and it was only a matter of time. So whatever.

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I'm not particularly defending these "pirates" but I guess all you people saying they are the scum of the Earth have never had an illegal program or file on your computer EVER!! that's pretty impressive I guess :PRedruM_I

That's exactly what you are doing….your redirecting and quantifying the actions...

They broke the TOU ..It's as simple as that….

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#65 SpruceCaboose

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I feel nothing but disdain for hackers and modders who want to either get games for free or ruin the games for others on line by cheating. I only wish they could ban 100% of the modders/hackers from Live. They want to do that junk, they can use Xbox Connect.

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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]I'm not particularly defending these "pirates" but I guess all you people saying they are the scum of the Earth have never had an illegal program or file on your computer EVER!! that's pretty impressive I guess :Pmasiisam

That's exactly what you are doing….your redirecting and quantifying the actions...

They broke the TOU ..It's as simple as that….

I trust that if you have ever copied an illegal mp3 file that you are in the process of notifying the record company so that they can fine you for several thousand dollars. It's pretty simple too.

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#67 moose_knuckler

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lol at people trying to rationalize hacked HDD because they feel the prices are "unreasonable" for the ones you grab at retail. If you guys would READ THE FINE PRINT, you'd know you're not following Xbox Live's Terms of Use er go you get banned, simple as that. Although I must say, it is crazy to see the amount of pirates on the gamespot forums let alone all other sites.

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[QUOTE="masiisam"]
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]I'm not particularly defending these "pirates" but I guess all you people saying they are the scum of the Earth have never had an illegal program or file on your computer EVER!! that's pretty impressive I guess :PRedruM_I

That's exactly what you are doing….your redirecting and quantifying the actions...

They broke the TOU ..It's as simple as that….

I trust that if you have ever copied an illegal mp3 file that you are in the process of notifying the record company so that they can fine you for several thousand dollars. It's pretty simple too.

So what you are saying is that because you knowingly did something illegal and got caught people should be sympathetic because they may have stolen an apple at some point in their life?

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#69 Hathesulacon

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Or maybe banning en masse gets rid of cheaters. Thanks for getting rid of cheat D-bags M$ ;)

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#70 SpruceCaboose

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I trust that if you have ever copied an illegal mp3 file that you are in the process of notifying the record company so that they can fine you for several thousand dollars. It's pretty simple too.RedruM_I

Not the same thing in the least. A more apt analogy would be "I trust that if you have any illegal MP3s, you would not be upset to learn the RIAA is inditing you for copyright infringement." And no, I would not be. I would have brought it upon myself, and myself alone. These hackers did not call MS up. They did it, got caught, and are now complaining that they got caught. Don't do the crime if you are not willing to do the time.

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Once you've committed piracy, I dont think you get any legal claim. They should be thrown in jail, not have their day in civil court.

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#72 Vandalvideo

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Once you've committed piracy, I dont think you get any legal claim. They should be thrown in jail, not have their day in civil court.
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Yeah, due process is so overrated. :roll:

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#73 SpruceCaboose

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Once you've committed piracy, I dont think you get any legal claim. They should be thrown in jail, not have their day in civil court.
sonicare

This is the US. They will not only get their day, they will probably win and get millions of dollars knowing our bang up legal system.

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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="masiisam"]
That's exactly what you are doing….your redirecting and quantifying the actions...
They broke the TOU ..It's as simple as that….
heretrix

I trust that if you have ever copied an illegal mp3 file that you are in the process of notifying the record company so that they can fine you for several thousand dollars. It's pretty simple too.

So what you are saying is that because you knowingly did something illegal and got caught people should be sympathetic because they may have stolen an apple at some point in their life?

No I'm not really sympathetic with people that buy M$ products :). No really, I think there were a lot of people affected that did nothing wrong and I am even less sympathetic with a company like M$ that have no problem milking and using monopolizing practices than with the so-called pirates. I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of people calling them scum when it's almost certain that everyone here has participated in some kind of illegal activity with electronic or software products at one time or another.

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#75 SpruceCaboose

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]
Once you've committed piracy, I dont think you get any legal claim. They should be thrown in jail, not have their day in civil court.
Vandalvideo

Yeah, due process is so overrated. :roll:

Not unlike the burglar who broke in to a house, fell from the roof onto the womans cutlery, and was awarded money from her. That is not due process, that is a completely mangled legal system. Criminals should not be able to sue when their criminal actions led to consequences they do not like.

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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] I trust that if you have ever copied an illegal mp3 file that you are in the process of notifying the record company so that they can fine you for several thousand dollars. It's pretty simple too.SpruceCaboose

Not the same thing in the least. A more apt analogy would be "I trust that if you have any illegal MP3s, you would not be upset to learn the RIAA is inditing you for copyright infringement." And no, I would not be. I would have brought it upon myself, and myself alone. These hackers did not call MS up. They did it, got caught, and are now complaining that they got caught. Don't do the crime if you are not willing to do the time.

So those who get away with it are noble people that can call others that got caught scum?

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[QUOTE="masiisam"]
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]I'm not particularly defending these "pirates" but I guess all you people saying they are the scum of the Earth have never had an illegal program or file on your computer EVER!! that's pretty impressive I guess :PRedruM_I

That's exactly what you are doing….your redirecting and quantifying the actions...

They broke the TOU ..It's as simple as that….

I trust that if you have ever copied an illegal mp3 file that you are in the process of notifying the record company so that they can fine you for several thousand dollars. It's pretty simple too.

So your so sure I have copied illegal MP3's..:?..Let me guess you also believe that 100% of 360's get RROD:lol:

Your angle is ridiculous…why not extended your point..

Then the same pirates sue the record company for trade infringement over distribution rights…:lol:

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#78 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Not unlike the burglar who broke in to a house, fell from the roof onto the womans cutlery, and was awarded money from her. That is not due process, that is a completely mangled legal system. Criminals should not be able to sue when their criminal actions led to consequences they do not like.

Welcome to tort law. Tort law has absolutely nothing to do with what the plaintiff was doing at the time of the incident. If you can prove that the defendant had; A) Duty to protect from X. B) Negligently failed to protect from X. C) And that negligence lead to the accident Then they are culpable. Tort law is indeed due process.

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#79 SpruceCaboose

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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] No I'm not really sympathetic with people that buy M$ products :). No really, I think there were a lot of people affected that did nothing wrong and I am even less sympathetic with a company like M$ that have no problem milking and using monopolizing practices than with the so-called pirates. I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of people calling them scum when it's almost certain that everyone here has participated in some kind of illegal activity with electronic or software products at one time or another.

I didn't want to pay Sony for a Wifi adapter I will never use. I did not want to pay Sony for a Blu-ray drive when DVD would suffice. I did not want to pay Sony for a controller with rumble when they lied to me in the first place about the controllers having rumble. Get the point?

All companies do things for the bottom line. When you circumvent them, and in the process break the agreement YOU MADE with them about their use of a service they provide, you lose your rights to complain. Don't want to pay for an MS HDD? Don't use Live or don't buy a 360. You know the deal when you buy the system and then again when you sign the agreement for live. They are certainly not the victims here.

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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="masiisam"]
That's exactly what you are doing….your redirecting and quantifying the actions...
They broke the TOU ..It's as simple as that….
masiisam

I trust that if you have ever copied an illegal mp3 file that you are in the process of notifying the record company so that they can fine you for several thousand dollars. It's pretty simple too.

So your so sure I have copied illegal MP3's..:?..Let me guess you also believe that 100% of 360's get RROD:lol:

Your angle is ridiculous…why not extended your point..

Then same pirates sue the record company for trade infringement over distribution rights…:lol:

So you're telling me you never copied an mp3 file from a friend or downloaded a song you like or copied a cd from a friend. All those practices are illegal you know and can be punished with many thousands of dollars and even jail.

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#81 SpruceCaboose

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Not unlike the burglar who broke in to a house, fell from the roof onto the womans cutlery, and was awarded money from her. That is not due process, that is a completely mangled legal system. Criminals should not be able to sue when their criminal actions led to consequences they do not like.

Welcome to tort law. Tort law has absolutely nothing to do with what the plaintiff was doing at the time of the incident. If you can prove that the defendant had; A) Duty to protect from X. B) Negligently failed to protect from X. C) And that negligence lead to the accident Then they are culpable. Tort law is indeed due process.

I know legally. I am talking about making sense. If you are on my roof to break into my place and you slip and hurt yourself, it is completely your fault for even being there in the first place. This junk is precisely why the legal system is so poor IMO. In this case, the modders broke their agreement. They were terminated from the service. All their actions. They do not like the pre-spelled out consequences, too dang bad. It would be like me killing someone and then suing the police when I am arrested.

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] I trust that if you have ever copied an illegal mp3 file that you are in the process of notifying the record company so that they can fine you for several thousand dollars. It's pretty simple too.RedruM_I

So what you are saying is that because you knowingly did something illegal and got caught people should be sympathetic because they may have stolen an apple at some point in their life?

No I'm not really sympathetic with people that buy M$ products :). No really, I think there were a lot of people affected that did nothing wrong and I am even less sympathetic with a company like M$ that have no problem milking and using monopolizing practices than with the so-called pirates. I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of people calling them scum when it's almost certain that everyone here has participated in some kind of illegal activity with electronic or software products at one time or another.

what you said can also apply to the police and judges, so does that mean that if they have downloaded a song illegally they can't convict pirates? nice logic there, but then again, you're only using it as ammo in order to bash the 360 in favour of sony's monopilistic campaign

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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] So you're telling me you never copied an mp3 file from a friend or downloaded a song you like or copied a cd from a friend. All those practices are illegal you know and can be punished with many thousands of dollars and even jail.

stealing an apple discretly is quite different from robbing the entire grocery

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] No I'm not really sympathetic with people that buy M$ products :). No really, I think there were a lot of people affected that did nothing wrong and I am even less sympathetic with a company like M$ that have no problem milking and using monopolizing practices than with the so-called pirates. I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of people calling them scum when it's almost certain that everyone here has participated in some kind of illegal activity with electronic or software products at one time or another.

I didn't want to pay Sony for a Wifi adapter I will never use. I did not want to pay Sony for a Blu-ray drive when DVD would suffice. I did not want to pay Sony for a controller with rumble when they lied to me in the first place about the controllers having rumble. Get the point?

All companies do things for the bottom line. When you circumvent them, and in the process break the agreement YOU MADE with them about their use of a service they provide, you lose your rights to complain. Don't want to pay for an MS HDD? Don't use Live or don't buy a 360. You know the deal when you buy the system and then again when you sign the agreement for live. They are certainly not the victims here.

Yeah they are not the victims, they knew who they were dealing with. Either way I have no sympathy with M$, I hope pirates and hackers bring down that company for all I care. Again, I'm just pointing the hypocrisy here.

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] I trust that if you have ever copied an illegal mp3 file that you are in the process of notifying the record company so that they can fine you for several thousand dollars. It's pretty simple too.RedruM_I

So what you are saying is that because you knowingly did something illegal and got caught people should be sympathetic because they may have stolen an apple at some point in their life?

No I'm not really sympathetic with people that buy M$ products :). No really, I think there were a lot of people affected that did nothing wrong and I am even less sympathetic with a company like M$ that have no problem milking and using monopolizing practices than with the so-called pirates. I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of people calling them scum when it's almost certain that everyone here has participated in some kind of illegal activity with electronic or software products at one time or another.

So basically what you are saying is that because you have a bias against Microsoft, the truth of the matter isn't really relevant here. Even though they are 100 percent within their rights to do this, you don't care and would rather argue against it "just because".You would rather argue in the defense of someone who was aware they were doing something they damn well knew they shouldn't be doing, got caught and was punished for it. I'm all for "sticking it to the man", but at least have the balls to deal with the consequences if you are caught and not act like you are in the right.That's just friggin LAME.

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#86 Doctor-McNinja

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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] It voids the warranty but they don't destroy your car.

They aren't destroying your 360, they just wont let you play online. People are missing a very important point: Microsoft are not psychic. They dont know if your console has been modded because you think you can stop it RROD'ing, or because you modded it to use your own HDD, or because you modded it to play pirated games. All their system does is detect that your console has indeed been modded. And that gets you banned. And everyone who uses XBOX LIVE has known that from day one. If you mod, you're gonna get banned. It's not Microsoft's job to investigate every modded console and see whether you did it for fun or to play pirated games. Just dont do it, and you dont have a problem. They cannot let people playing modded systems play people with unmodded systems. It's not fair. Just like on Halo 3 if you use any form of mod whatsoever, even a dumb one which just makes goofy sound effects, you get an instant ban. Everyone has to be on the same playing field.

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[QUOTE="kolkov01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] So you're telling me you never copied an mp3 file from a friend or downloaded a song you like or copied a cd from a friend. All those practices are illegal you know and can be punished with many thousands of dollars and even jail.

stealing an apple discretly is quite different from robbing the entire grocery

:lol: we entered the realm of relatives now. I knew it will come down to this but I just wanted you all to spill it out.

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#88 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] I know legally. I am talking about making sense. If you are on my roof to break into my place and you slip and hurt yourself, it is completely your fault for even being there in the first place. This junk is precisely why the legal system is so poor IMO. In this case, the modders broke their agreement. They were terminated from the service. All their actions. They do not like the pre-spelled out consequences, too dang bad. It would be like me killing someone and then suing the police when I am arrested.

It may not make much sense, but tort law makes a lot more sense once you understand the legal intricacies involved. They remove the focus from the plaintiff in order to create a rule which binds anyone as a citizen to perform their citizenly duties. For instances, lets say there is a big patch of ice outside your house on the sidewalk. The mailman comes, slips and breaks his hip. You are liable for his injuries. Likewise, if kids run down the street, fall and break their nose; you are liable. And if a crook is running down the street after having stole from some dude's house; slips and breaks his hip, you are again liable. While not perfect, it is the only way to keep these types of citizen duties in check. Morality and emotion are entirely divorced from the law. I would hate a society where justice was determined by the dictates of the public conscience. Twould' drive me crazy.

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[QUOTE="kolkov01"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] So you're telling me you never copied an mp3 file from a friend or downloaded a song you like or copied a cd from a friend. All those practices are illegal you know and can be punished with many thousands of dollars and even jail.RedruM_I

stealing an apple discretly is quite different from robbing the entire grocery

:lol: we entered the realm of relatives now. I knew it will come down to this but I just wanted you all to spill it out.

You think relevance isn't important or that it isn't inserted into most law systems in most countries? :lol:

why do you think we even have different penalties for different crimes?

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#90 Doctor-McNinja

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Not unlike the burglar who broke in to a house, fell from the roof onto the womans cutlery, and was awarded money from her. That is not due process, that is a completely mangled legal system. Criminals should not be able to sue when their criminal actions led to consequences they do not like.

Welcome to tort law. Tort law has absolutely nothing to do with what the plaintiff was doing at the time of the incident. If you can prove that the defendant had; A) Duty to protect from X. B) Negligently failed to protect from X. C) And that negligence lead to the accident Then they are culpable. Tort law is indeed due process.

He's not questioning the law, he's saying he doesn't agree with the principles behind it. A lot of people disagree with laws which produce unfair results. Just look at strict liability. And i agree with Spruce; if you're involved in some form of criminal enterprise, you should under any circumstances be able to sue the person you were trying to perform criminal acts against because they did something which resulted in a consequence you dont like. So if you hurt your foot while breaking into someone's house, or end up getting banned because you tried to pirate games - your fault. You shouldn't have been doing that stuff in the first place.

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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="heretrix"]So what you are saying is that because you knowingly did something illegal and got caught people should be sympathetic because they may have stolen an apple at some point in their life?
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No I'm not really sympathetic with people that buy M$ products :). No really, I think there were a lot of people affected that did nothing wrong and I am even less sympathetic with a company like M$ that have no problem milking and using monopolizing practices than with the so-called pirates. I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of people calling them scum when it's almost certain that everyone here has participated in some kind of illegal activity with electronic or software products at one time or another.

So basically what you are saying is that because you have a bias against Microsoft, the truth of the matter isn't really relevant here. Even though they are 100 percent within their rights to do this, you don't care and would rather argue against it "just because".You would rather argue in the defense of someone who was aware they were doing something they damn well knew they shouldn't be doing, got caught and was punished for it. I'm all for "sticking it to the man", but at least have the balls to deal with the consequences if you are caught and not act like you are in the right.That's just friggin LAME.

I'm not saying they shouldn't deal with the consequences. Like I said they knew who they were dealing with. I don't buy M$ products because of stuff like this, I definitely wouldn't buy a Xbox to mod it. If I really wanted an Xbox I would buy legal copies of games and use the product as it is supposed to be used. I won't argue in favor of M$ here since I think that they do a lot of what "they shouldn't be doing" as a company. Yet again, I'm pointing the hypocrisy of calling this people scum just because they wanted something free. We are most definitely all scum then and have participated in illegal copying and distribution of copyrighted material in one way or another I'm sure.

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#92 Doctor-McNinja

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] I know legally. I am talking about making sense. If you are on my roof to break into my place and you slip and hurt yourself, it is completely your fault for even being there in the first place. This junk is precisely why the legal system is so poor IMO. In this case, the modders broke their agreement. They were terminated from the service. All their actions. They do not like the pre-spelled out consequences, too dang bad. It would be like me killing someone and then suing the police when I am arrested.

It may not make much sense, but tort law makes a lot more sense once you understand the legal intricacies involved. They remove the focus from the plaintiff in order to create a rule which binds anyone as a citizen to perform their citizenly duties. For instances, lets say there is a big patch of ice outside your house on the sidewalk. The mailman comes, slips and breaks his hip. You are liable for his injuries. Likewise, if kids run down the street, fall and break their nose; you are liable. And if a crook is running down the street after having stole from some dude's house; slips and breaks his hip, you are again liable. While not perfect, it is the only way to keep these types of citizen duties in check. Morality and emotion are entirely divorced from the law. I would hate a society where justice was determined by the dictates of the public conscience. Twould' drive me crazy.

The example of ice outside your house is actually a bad one. A court would not find you liable for any injury suffered as a result of ice outside your house. Someone tried to sue their employer just last year after ice in the car park resulted in her spinning out of control and hitting a parked car. Ice happens. You cannot be held liable for the weather.

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Yet again, I'm pointing the hypocrisy of calling this people scum just because they wanted something free. We are most definitely all scum then and have participated in illegal copying and distribution of copyrighted material in one way or another I'm sure. RedruM_I

You're forgeting something called relevance

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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="kolkov01"] stealing an apple discretly is quite different from robbing the entire grocerykolkov01

:lol: we entered the realm of relatives now. I knew it will come down to this but I just wanted you all to spill it out.

You think relevance isn't important or that it isn't inserted into most law systems in most countries? :lol:

why do you think we even have different penalties for different crimes?

The rules set by record companies don't differentiate between you copying a whole cd, a song or a thousand cds. They are written to punish you the same if you don't follow their rules completely. So should M$ differentiate between people who modded their 360 for playing one game illegaly and the rest legally from those who modded it to play everything illegaly? Good luck with explaining that to M$.

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#95 Next-Gen-Tec

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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] Maybe they just wanted to buy cheaper HDs for their console. I've heard several people who went to great lenghts to modify their 360s in order to avoid RROD. How is that different? The truth is that this is a typical Micro$oft move and nobody should be surprised. RedruM_I

How is modding your 360's DVD drive to play pirated games, going to avoid RROD?

They are not modding the drive, they are modding the cooling hardware. I'm just saying that maybe some people modding it to use generic HDs didn't actually plan to pirate but just wanted a cheaper HD option than to get milked with the propietary HD sold by M$.

Cheaper HD leads to cheaper games. i.e. free games.

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[QUOTE="kolkov01"]
[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] :lol: we entered the realm of relatives now. I knew it will come down to this but I just wanted you all to spill it out.RedruM_I

You think relevance isn't important or that it isn't inserted into most law systems in most countries? :lol:

why do you think we even have different penalties for different crimes?

The rules set by record companies don't differentiate between you copying a whole cd, a song or a thousand cds. They are written to punish you the same if you don't follow their rules completely. So should M$ differentiate between people who modded their 360 for playing one game illegaly and the rest legally from those who modded it to play everything illegaly? Good luck with explaining that to M$.

I don't have to seeing as how I don't pirate games for my 360 ;)

Also seeing as how in order for you to pirate your 360 you need a DVD8 RW drive and DVD8 (which don't come cheap) pirating a game is hardly the same as pirating a single song

once again.. relevance, your comparing apples and oranges

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I really want to see how the pirates argue their case. It's likea burgler suing a store for pain and suffering after breaking his leg when he tried to rob the place.
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That has happend plenty of times my friend. Linkage

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#98 Doctor-McNinja

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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] The rules set by record companies don't differentiate between you copying a whole cd, a song or a thousand cds. They are written to punish you the same if you don't follow their rules completely. So should M$ differentiate between people who modded their 360 for playing one game illegaly and the rest legally from those who modded it to play everything illegaly? Good luck with explaining that to M$.

This makes absolutely no sense. The rules is simple ; dont mod your 360. If you want to mod your 360, you're going to void your warranty and you cant play online. Everyone online needs to have the same, standard 360. It's unfair to have some players playing with enhanced consoles. So dont do it. So some people ignored that rule. They modded their consoles anyway, and then even modded them further so they can play online (the 360 automatically does not let you play online if your 360 is modded. Getting it to play online requires further modification). So they knew the rules, they broke the rules, they took their 360 online knowing the rule is 'do that and we'll ban you', and they got banned. Why the arguing then? Why the blaming microsoft?

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All those practices are illegal you know and can be punished with many thousands of dollars and even jail.RedruM_I

Thanks for the hot tip..:lol:..Or even get banned from Live for TOU violations...:lol:

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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]
All those practices are illegal you know and can be punished with many thousands of dollars and even jail.masiisam

Thanks for the hot tip..:lol:..Or even get banned from Live for TOU violations...:lol:

what? you can get banned for violating the TOU? DAMN YOU MICROSOFT WILL YOUR EVIL KNOW NO END??? :roll:

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