Microsoft Timed Ban Spree to Maximise Profits

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#301 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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Automatically assuming? Sorry but I've read through the entire thread. People complaining about MS wanting money, MS being greedy, MS this MS that with PSN Tags in their sigs thus them being PS3 fans. I did not make any mention of PS3 fanboys as I do not know everyone here but a person here with a PSN tag is a fan of the PS3. So automatically assume? No that was your error do not speculate.

The people who are angry the most are xbox fans? Yeah okay. First off anyone who pirates a 360 is not a fan of microsoft. You're a fan of what you support not from what you steal off of.

I have no remorse for people that modify their systems outside of the perameters. Their own stupidty. You want to mess around with a system then get a PC.

All I see is a bunch of people acting like its something bad for MS to be sticking it to pirates. Man if that's bad Sony must be terrible for being responsible for closing down one of my favorite gaming online retailers in Lik-Sang :roll:

The__Havoc

The fanboy logic continues I see. You are now just assuming that because I called you a fanboy, that I must somehow be on the side of pirates. Then you close your supposedly unbiased, non-fanboy response with an off-topic jab at Sony. Fanboys just can't help themselves I guess.

If you read the whole thread, as you claim to here, then you surely would have read my two posts saying that MS is perfectly within their rights to ban anyone that violates their terms of use.You didn't have to write a whole arguement against something I never said or supported to begin with.

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#302 heretrix
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

You do realize that by automatically assuming that criticism MUSt be from PS3 fans...that makes YOU the fanboy, right? The people who are angry the most are the Xbox fans who don't want to be ripped off buying over-priced peripherals. The people suing are the million, or so, Xbox users who were banned and feel that ban went way to far when it went beyond their XBL account and affected their HDD capabilities.

By reading all this news and automatically jumping to the conclusion of "any MS criticism can only come from MS haters" is the REAL fanboy behaviour here.

ZIMdoom

Maybe you should read the articles, and complaints before you respond to someone. The only people who were banned here are people who modded their consoles, not people who used other hard drives.

Whatever. The point is the angry people are Xbox users.

Who should have known better.

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#303 RedruM_I
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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]

So now you doubt the credibility of the blogger.................whose info you posted as "proof" that MS was profiting from this?? :|

navyguy21

Notice that he's not quoting anyone. It's how HE redacted the news is not like M$ said to him or anyone that they expected having a negative effect. I saw this same news on other sources is just that this blogger was the one I had at hand when I was making the post. The other sources didn't even say anything about the ban they just mentioned the sales increase.

lol, youre back peddling on me man lol. If you question a blogger/news site/information site's credibility, you dont post links to them. You posted that because you viewed it as a negative towards the 360/microsoft, when you have no proof that this is a profitable venture other than your fanboy speculation. Fact is, MS and Sony make the VAST MAJORITY of their revenue from software sales, and online revenue. Banning these consoles cuts off any online revenue that may have had..............even on modded consoles. Modded consoles can still play legit games, and modded games. MS simply cut of xbox live. How can that be a positive? Even if you are right, lets say that the million that was banned go out and buy another console............whose to say they wont mod the thing again, and continue to get modded games for 10 bucks? You (and other cows) are speculating and spinning this too much, and avoiding common sense............sad really

What the hell are you talking about? I'm just saying that the sudden increase in 360 sales could most possibly be a consequence of the massive banning. That M$ did it on purpose is just speculation yes but I wouldn't be surprised since it's M$ afterall.
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Madcatz makes authorized 360 accessories.

heretrix

And if you get banned for using one?

You don't get banned for using one. You only get banned if your DVD firmware is hacked.

JEEZUS, (and thank you again for pointing it out heretrix), this has been explained multiple times already.

THIRD PARTY PERIPHERALS ARE ALLOWED (like Madcatz)
DATEL WAS CUT OFF FOR NOT BEING LICENSED (they went over Microsoft's head to make their devices without paying the fees)

So for Thor's sake, STOP making this an issue of Microsoft trying to prevent you from using 3rd party peripherals (those that are authorized) when it's NOT about that at all. The banning has been about people illegally modding the DVD firmware, which could only lead to the use of playing pirated games. Continuing to pursue this line of argument isn't making a case against MS, it's only making YOU (who ever you are doing so) look really, REALLY foolish.

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#305 navyguy21
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What the hell are you talking about? I'm just saying that the sudden increase in 360 sales could most possibly be a consequence of the massive banning. That M$ did it on purpose is just speculation yes but I wouldn't be surprised since it's M$ afterall.RedruM_I

= speculation :P

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[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] Maybe you should read the articles, and complaints before you respond to someone. The only people who were banned here are people who modded their consoles, not people who used other hard drives. heretrix

Whatever. The point is the angry people are Xbox users.

Who should have known better.

Right....which I've said like three times now. Do you have any idea what the conversation you qouted is even about?

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] What are you talking about? If you don't read a contract or terms of agreement and you violate it then youc an plead ignorance? You're mistaken.

Ignorance can be a defense in tort law; it depends on just how the information was presented. It is a reasonableness standard. Even if there was some indepth legal jargon in the depths of the contract which you signed, you could still reasonably get out of the arrangement. Besides, you're not really pleading ignorance. The focus in a tort case is entirely on the company, not the plaintiff. It does not matter how ignorant you were. It is merely about the language of the contract itself.

Ignorance of the law is NO defense. No lawyer would represent you; it would be a frivolous case. Sure, contracts are full of intelligible jargon--what remains is the end-user agreeing to it.
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#308 MizFitAwesome
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Welcome to SW the only place in the world where piracy is OK. As long as it's against MS and MS is eveil for banning people that do it. The reason why it won't happen to sony is, NOBODY REALLY CARES ABOUT THERE GAMES...

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#309 The__Havoc
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[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Automatically assuming? Sorry but I've read through the entire thread. People complaining about MS wanting money, MS being greedy, MS this MS that with PSN Tags in their sigs thus them being PS3 fans. I did not make any mention of PS3 fanboys as I do not know everyone here but a person here with a PSN tag is a fan of the PS3. So automatically assume? No that was your error do not speculate.

The people who are angry the most are xbox fans? Yeah okay. First off anyone who pirates a 360 is not a fan of microsoft. You're a fan of what you support not from what you steal off of.

I have no remorse for people that modify their systems outside of the perameters. Their own stupidty. You want to mess around with a system then get a PC.

All I see is a bunch of people acting like its something bad for MS to be sticking it to pirates. Man if that's bad Sony must be terrible for being responsible for closing down one of my favorite gaming online retailers in Lik-Sang :roll:

ZIMdoom

The fanboy logic continues I see. You are now just assuming that because I called you a fanboy, that I must somehow be on the side of pirates. Then you close your supposedly unbiased, non-fanboy response with an off-topic jab at Sony. Fanboys just can't help themselves I guess.

If you read the whole thread, as you claim to here, then you surely would have read my two posts saying that MS is perfectly within their rights to ban anyone that violates their terms of use.You didn't have to write a whole arguement against something I never said or supported to begin with.

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You cows will do anything to help you sleep at night you really do lol. I never said you were on the side of the pirates way to make crap up lol. Did I mention you in any of my posts? No I did not. I can write what ever I want if you don't like it then don't reply. I wasn't directing anything at you, but since you replied I guess you thought I did. That's called sensistivity man. Sensitivity in the realm of video games and electronic entertaiment. Oh I've seen it all now lol.

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[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]

Exactly, this is just another way for M$ to promote their monopolistic activities and make EVERYTHING their property. Luckily they are now being sued, I hope they lose.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6241212.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;2

RedruM_I

The situation isn't the same. STEAM and such like don't own the PC. Microsoft own the Xbox. They do a good job in keeping thing undercontrol, as they have no choice but to keep things on there end.

MS on the other hand can simple disable your console functions. And they're within right i believe.

You may think it's not fair, and that MS are just looking to make money, but who cares what you think? They're pirates ...

I'm not defending pirates but they locking foreign memory hardware is a sign of things o come (the link was from a lawsuit of a hardware company not the pirates lawsuit). They can do whatever they want but it is the same kind of practices they do on the computer business and that hint at a monopoly. I'm pretty sure that for them locking access of third party memory units is not a move they are interested to promote to defeat pirates (the other companies don't do such things and they have other means to deal with pirates) but they do it to monopolize with their proprietary stuff. The exact same kind of BS they do on the computer world.

you know whats funny is you keep using that word monopoly but Microsoft has never been sued because of being a monopoly they have only ever been sued in the computer arena for monopolistic ""practices"" and much like a drowning man clings to any thing you cling to that as some sort of proof of Microsoft being the ultimate satan. and yet you completely ignore Nintendo which were doing monopolistic practices long before Microsoft was, and Sony as well...but that's okay they aren't Microsoft, your claims of but i dont condone piracy are flimsy at best as you continuely show in your opinion if that piracy harms Microsoft then all the better GO pirates.

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#311 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] Well of course they make money from it it's their product. M$ what is doing is restricting access to manufacturers that are not them much like they restrict software developers (which have their own products it's not like they are doing their own Windows version which is equivalent as to what you're claiming with BluRay) to their own exclusive protocols and windows environments. It's all part of their monopoly scheme. Sony does not do that.RedruM_I

The thread is about pirates who stole software by modifying a MS system and got banned for doing so. And yeah ( let me try that ) .......

$ony lol tries but is not as successful at it - does that make them better ? :P

No, they are not trying to do that. The PS3 was as open as it could get to hardware manufactureres from the beginning even accepting any fitting HD. The option to install linux also gave the possibility to use many kinds of software not Sony exclusive. M$ works as a monopoly, Sony doesn't.

then i guess the fact that there are loads of different services from companies not owned by microsoft on the 360 means nothing then, the same for windows...but then again you actually believe microsoft hinders others companies from making software for windows if its a competing product.
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#312 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Sony Has a monopoly on Blu-ray? Really? http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Blue-ray+player&x=0&y=0

RedruM_I

I know it's not really a monopoly but just making a point. Can MS just go ahead and produce a B.R. 360 without licence to do so and does Sony get $$$$ if or when MS would go B.R. ? In other words, can't they just pirate it ya know, like what people are trying really hard in this thread to excuse ?

You're definitely twisting my words. I'm not trying to excuse pirating I'm trying to say that M$ preventing other memory manufacturers have nothing to do with pirates but is a move to monopolize the hardware accesory market for their console much like they do with Windows and software. In a while M$ will be the only one in the picture.

then i guess the fact that other companies make controllers for the system, headsets...ect means nothing the only thing being blocked are custom hard drives which...can be used for less then legal activities.
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#313 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]I know it's not really a monopoly but just making a point. Can MS just go ahead and produce a B.R. 360 without licence to do so and does Sony get $$$$ if or when MS would go B.R. ? In other words, can't they just pirate it ya know, like what people are trying really hard in this thread to excuse ?

WilliamRLBaker

You're definitely twisting my words. I'm not trying to excuse pirating I'm trying to say that M$ preventing other memory manufacturers have nothing to do with pirates but is a move to monopolize the hardware accesory market for their console much like they do with Windows and software. In a while M$ will be the only one in the picture.

then i guess the fact that other companies make controllers for the system, headsets...ect means nothing the only thing being blocked are custom hard drives which...can be used for less then legal activities.

But it does beg an interesting question. We see third-party memory units, but why not third-party hard drive units? So far as I can research using B&M stores and web searching, I can't find one company that makes the drives besides Microsoft. Wonder why? And if what I hear is true and Datel does not have Microsoft's OK, then their XSata and XPort are also not legit.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"] You're definitely twisting my words. I'm not trying to excuse pirating I'm trying to say that M$ preventing other memory manufacturers have nothing to do with pirates but is a move to monopolize the hardware accesory market for their console much like they do with Windows and software. In a while M$ will be the only one in the picture.HuusAsking

then i guess the fact that other companies make controllers for the system, headsets...ect means nothing the only thing being blocked are custom hard drives which...can be used for less then legal activities.

But it does beg an interesting question. We see third-party memory units, but why not third-party hard drive units? So far as I can research using B&M stores and web searching, I can't find one company that makes the drives besides Microsoft. Wonder why? And if what I hear is true and Datel does not have Microsoft's OK, then their XSata and XPort are also not legit.

Nope, they are not. Which is why, in the latest update, I believe those products are now not able to connect to 360s, nor are their 2 and 4gb memory units....which is why Datel is suing MS.