Microsoft Timed Ban Spree to Maximise Profits

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"] Curious, do you find it appalling that Sony has a monopoly on B.R. and should that evil be remedied so MS & "N" can share & share alike? :twisted:SecretPolice

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"] Curious, do you find it appalling that Sony has a monopoly on B.R. and should that evil be remedied so MS & "N" can share & share alike? :twisted:SecretPolice

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Sony Has a monopoly on Blu-ray? Really? http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Blue-ray+player&x=0&y=0

RedruM_I

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[QUOTE="mdisen2"]

Anyone who uses a regular HDD instead of the overpriced 100$ HDD's microsoft wants to milk you with is a likely target for theyr wrath.

ZIMdoom

Hey, I hate MS and am no fan of the Xbox. You can check my post history to see for yourself. But I support MS's right to do this. Yes, the HDD is a rip off and MS making a money grab.I've openly mocked them for years regarding their idiotic decision to NOT make HDD standardafterthey mockedSony and Nintedo about standard HDD being the future of gaming and an absolute necessity. I've openlymocked them for insisting to the public HDD would be standard in the 360 when, behind the scenes, they were telling developers the exact opposite.MS has ripped off their cusomters with this HDD decision. But you know what, if customers don't like it and wanted the ability to replace the HDD theirself, then they should have bought the PS3 instead. They bought the Xbox and whether they like the peripherals or not, they violated their terms of use and have no right to now turn around and cry about it.

Like it or not, MS is fully within their rights here.

You do not have a right, no matter how much you dislike a company, to violate a contract that you agreed to. If you are disgusted by Microsoft then you shouldn't do business with them.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

strange how they all get banned at the same time right before the holiday season....ms you done it again, bravo!!!

Verge_6

Sure they read. But only what corroborates their agendas. Everything else gets "conveniently" overlooked ;)

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]I know it's not really a monopoly but just making a point. Can MS just go ahead and produce a B.R. 360 without licence to do so and does Sony get $$$$ if or when MS would go B.R. ? In other words, can't they just pirate it ya know, like what people are trying really hard in this thread to excuse ?

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] You're definitely twisting my words. I'm not trying to excuse pirating I'm trying to say that M$ preventing other memory manufacturers have nothing to do with pirates but is a move to monopolize the hardware accesory market for their console much like they do with Windows and software. In a while M$ will be the only one in the picture.Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]If so then it's unintentional I assure you but TBH it really peeves me when someone acts as though MS is so evil and Sony ( or any other big corp ) is so virtuous. It's just not so. :?

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] You're definitely twisting my words. I'm not trying to excuse pirating I'm trying to say that M$ preventing other memory manufacturers have nothing to do with pirates but is a move to monopolize the hardware accesory market for their console much like they do with Windows and software. In a while M$ will be the only one in the picture.Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]

strange how they all get banned at the same time right before the holiday season....ms you done it again, bravo!!!

AdobeArtist

Sure they read. But only what corroborates their agendas. Everything else gets "conveniently" overlooked ;)

Are PS3 fans really taking the fact that MS is sticking it to pirates as a negitive against them? Siding wih pirates because MS is getting at them? Oh this rich lol.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]If so then it's unintentional I assure you but TBH it really peeves me when someone acts as though MS is so evil and Sony ( or any other big corp ) is so virtuous. It's just not so. :?

heretrix

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] My God, do people not read anymore? This point has been addressed about....oh, ten times. :roll:heretrix

Sure they read. But only what corroborates their agendas. Everything else gets "conveniently" overlooked ;)

There's a reason I put the word 'conveniently' in quotation marks ;)

modding a console is asking to get the ban hammer shadow_hosi

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] My God, do people not read anymore? This point has been addressed about....oh, ten times. :roll:heretrix

Sure they read. But only what corroborates their agendas. Everything else gets "conveniently" overlooked ;)

I guess the banhammer strategy by M$ is already paying off...

http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/20091124/xbox-360-to-outsell-ps3-31-this-christmas/

[QUOTE="trick91_basic"]

so many people misinformed on this thread:

1. You dont get banned for having a custom hard drive. Yes they have made it so you cant use Datel drives anymore but NO WAY are you getting banned for having it.

2. The only people being banned are who modified their dvd firmware. And the only reason to do that is to pirate games. Period. There is no grey area for this at all. They figured out a way to detect people who have their dvd firmware modified.

This. Do you see THIS, fanboys? That's called reason and logic!! And you too can enjoy the benfits such perspective once you take off your tinfoil caps :)

I guess the banhammer strategy by M$ is already paying off...

http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/20091124/xbox-360-to-outsell-ps3-31-this-christmas/

RedruM_I

"Even with the Microsoft's recent XBL 'ban hammer' crackdown on pirates (or non pirates), sales are still roaring ahead of the PS3 according to leading discount website"

This suggest that the banning was predicted to have a NEGATIVE impact on sales, but the console is selling anyway.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]

I guess the banhammer strategy by M$ is already paying off...

http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/20091124/xbox-360-to-outsell-ps3-31-this-christmas/

navyguy21

"Even with the Microsoft's recent XBL 'ban hammer' crackdown on pirates (or non pirates), sales are still roaring ahead of the PS3 according to leading discount website"

This suggest that the banning was predicted to have a NEGATIVE impact on sales, but the console is selling anyway.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]

I guess the banhammer strategy by M$ is already paying off...

http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/20091124/xbox-360-to-outsell-ps3-31-this-christmas/

RedruM_I

"Even with the Microsoft's recent XBL 'ban hammer' crackdown on pirates (or non pirates), sales are still roaring ahead of the PS3 according to leading discount website"

This suggest that the banning was predicted to have a NEGATIVE impact on sales, but the console is selling anyway.

So now you doubt the credibility of the blogger.................whose info you posted as "proof" that MS was profiting from this?? :|

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Sure they read. But only what corroborates their agendas. Everything else gets "conveniently" overlooked ;)

Zaibach

You're the one who tried to make a conspiracy without any facts or evidence to back it up. You have no grounds to complain.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] lol, selective reading FTL?? From your own link -

"Even with the Microsoft's recent XBL 'ban hammer' crackdown on pirates (or non pirates), sales are still roaring ahead of the PS3 according to leading discount website"

This suggest that the banning was predicted to have a NEGATIVE impact on sales, but the console is selling anyway.

navyguy21

So now you doubt the credibility of the blogger.................whose info you posted as "proof" that MS was profiting from this?? :|

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]I'd replace conveniently with blatantly.

AdobeArtist

You're the one who tried to make a conspiracy without any facts or evidence to back it up. You have no grounds to complain.

i was merely stating that these people should have been banned instantly instead of letting em pilling up...i mean seriously you let a million people do this?

Zaibach

I wouldn't be surprised if MS did in fact pull this up with that intention though but then again it's not like they don't have a right do this to pirates.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]yeah guys!! you tell em!!! :evil:

Zaibach

You're the one who tried to make a conspiracy without any facts or evidence to back it up. You have no grounds to complain.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] The banning was predicted to have a negative effect by who? the blogger? That fact is that it makes much more sense that the majority of banned people will just go out and buy another 360.RedruM_I

So now you doubt the credibility of the blogger.................whose info you posted as "proof" that MS was profiting from this?? :|

[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"][QUOTE="KungfuKitten"] Replacing the HDD already results in a ban? Who would want such a rule? That is ridiculous.

RedruM_I

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]Because even if you encrypt them, hackers will still find a way if they have free access to the HDD like they would with 3rd party hard drives. I know its not easy to break, but opening the door just a little bit allows at least some hackers/pirates in. MS learned that the hard way last gen by using a standard PC hard drive, and the console was hacked to death, allowing people to upgrade, and even install retail games. So they closed the door this gen. I dont agree with it, but i fully understand it.RedruM_I

Exactly, this is just another way for M$ to promote their monopolistic activities and make EVERYTHING their property. Luckily they are now being sued, I hope they lose.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6241212.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;2

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="Stats_"]

The situation isn't the same. STEAM and such like don't own the PC. Microsoft own the Xbox. They do a good job in keeping thing undercontrol, as they have no choice but to keep things on there end.

MS on the other hand can simple disable your console functions. And they're within right i believe.

You may think it's not fair, and that MS are just looking to make money, but who cares what you think? They're pirates ...

SecretPolice

Are PS3 fans really taking the fact that MS is sticking it to pirates as a negitive against them? Siding wih pirates because MS is getting at them? Oh this rich lol.

The__Havoc

You do realize that by automatically assuming that criticism MUSt be from PS3 fans...that makes YOU the fanboy, right? The people who are angry the most are the Xbox fans who don't want to be ripped off buying over-priced peripherals. The people suing are the million, or so, Xbox users who were banned and feel that ban went way to far when it went beyond their XBL account and affected their HDD capabilities.

By reading all this news and automatically jumping to the conclusion of "any MS criticism can only come from MS haters" is the REAL fanboy behaviour here.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Sony Has a monopoly on Blu-ray? Really? http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Blue-ray+player&x=0&y=0

Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Are PS3 fans really taking the fact that MS is sticking it to pirates as a negitive against them? Siding wih pirates because MS is getting at them? Oh this rich lol.

ZIMdoom

You do realize that by automatically assuming that criticism MUSt be from PS3 fans...that makes YOU the fanboy, right? The people who are angry the most are the Xbox fans who don't want to be ripped off buying over-priced peripherals. The people suing are the million, or so, Xbox users who were banned and feel that ban went way to far when it went beyond their XBL account and affected their HDD capabilities.

By reading all this news and automatically jumping to the conclusion of "any MS criticism can only come from MS haters" is the REAL fanboy behaviour here.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]If so then it's unintentional I assure you but TBH it really peeves me when someone acts as though MS is so evil and Sony ( or any other big corp ) is so virtuous. It's just not so. :?

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]If so then it's unintentional I assure you but TBH it really peeves me when someone acts as though MS is so evil and Sony ( or any other big corp ) is so virtuous. It's just not so. :?

heretrix

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So how do Steam and other PC-centric systems (which have no choice but to use open hardware) keep hacking and cracking under control? And why can't Microsoft use a similar or tighter model?HuusAsking

Exactly, this is just another way for M$ to promote their monopolistic activities and make EVERYTHING their property. Luckily they are now being sued, I hope they lose.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6241212.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;2

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"]

Exactly, this is just another way for M$ to promote their monopolistic activities and make EVERYTHING their property. Luckily they are now being sued, I hope they lose.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6241212.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;2

heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Well Monopolizing a business is pretty bad, for everyone. It's not that MS is evil, it's just bad business. I mean what next? I'll be only able to use MS batteries for the next xbox console? I mean ya you can lock out an External unauthorized HD, but a 360 memory unit? Something 1,000s of people have probably bought?HuusAsking

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Are PS3 fans really taking the fact that MS is sticking it to pirates as a negitive against them? Siding wih pirates because MS is getting at them? Oh this rich lol.

ZIMdoom

You do realize that by automatically assuming that criticism MUSt be from PS3 fans...that makes YOU the fanboy, right? The people who are angry the most are the Xbox fans who don't want to be ripped off buying over-priced peripherals. The people suing are the million, or so, Xbox users who were banned and feel that ban went way to far when it went beyond their XBL account and affected their HDD capabilities.

By reading all this news and automatically jumping to the conclusion of "any MS criticism can only come from MS haters" is the REAL fanboy behaviour here.

Automatically assuming? Sorry but I've read through the entire thread. People complaining about MS wanting money, MS being greedy, MS this MS that with PSN Tags in their sigs thus them being PS3 fans. I did not make any mention of PS3 fanboys as I do not know everyone here but a person here with a PSN tag is a fan of the PS3. So automatically assume? No that was your error do not speculate.

The people who are angry the most are xbox fans? Yeah okay. First off anyone who pirates a 360 is not a fan of microsoft. You're a fan of what you support not from what you steal off of.

I have no remorse for people that modify their systems outside of the perameters. Their own stupidty. You want to mess around with a system then get a PC.

All I see is a bunch of people acting like its something bad for MS to be sticking it to pirates. Man if that's bad Sony must be terrible for being responsible for closing down one of my favorite gaming online retailers in Lik-Sang :roll:

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]I wonder if Mat Catz will join in. They make aftermarket units, too, don't they? And they're supposed to have been vouched by Microsoft, as well.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]I wonder if Mat Catz will join in. They make aftermarket units, too, don't they? And they're supposed to have been vouched by Microsoft, as well.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]I wonder if Mat Catz will join in. They make aftermarket units, too, don't they? And they're supposed to have been vouched by Microsoft, as well.HuusAsking

Yup I use a SFIV TE Stick by Madcatz and I haven't been banned.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Are PS3 fans really taking the fact that MS is sticking it to pirates as a negitive against them? Siding wih pirates because MS is getting at them? Oh this rich lol.

navyguy21

You do realize that by automatically assuming that criticism MUSt be from PS3 fans...that makes YOU the fanboy, right? The people who are angry the most are the Xbox fans who don't want to be ripped off buying over-priced peripherals. The people suing are the million, or so, Xbox users who were banned and feel that ban went way to far when it went beyond their XBL account and affected their HDD capabilities.

By reading all this news and automatically jumping to the conclusion of "any MS criticism can only come from MS haters" is the REAL fanboy behaviour here.

Whatever. The point is the angry people are Xbox users. The point of my response is that Havoc is being a fanboy by assuming that all these angry people are PS3 fans. Clearly, while I was wrong about the HDD issue (I thought that was included with the modding issue), I am still right that he is being a fanboy.

Microsoft doesn't gain any money from this. Hackers can just buy a new 360, and then pirate games again. MS gains money from Software purchases, not hardware purchases. What a joke, pirates need to grow up, and get a life. rolo107

MS has been making a profit per console sold for almost a year now. And if hackers buy another console and mod it again, they will just get banned again. If that have that much money to spend, that they can just keep buying a new console over and over again...why not just buy original games in the first place?

[QUOTE="rolo107"]Microsoft doesn't gain any money from this. Hackers can just buy a new 360, and then pirate games again. MS gains money from Software purchases, not hardware purchases. What a joke, pirates need to grow up, and get a life. ZIMdoom

MS has been making a profit per console sold for almost a year now. And if hackers buy another console and mod it again, they will just get banned again. If that have that much money to spend, that they can just keep buying a new console over and over again...why not just buy original games in the first place?

Whatever. The point is the angry people are Xbox users. The point of my response is that Havoc is being a fanboy by assuming that all these angry people are PS3 fans. Clearly, while I was wrong about the HDD issue (I thought that was included with the modding issue), I am still right that he is being a fanboy.

ZIMdoom

Yeah I'm being a fanboy for laughing at these stupid pirates and the spin control that some Sony fans here are using to make MS look bad for putting the clamps on the pirates. If you ask me its not good enough. MS should sue the pirates and take legal action. Teach their sorry ***** a lesson. You are still right that I am a fanboy? Of what? Because I don't run around and parade of the silly ideals of supporting one platform in the fight to convince others its better then another? Don't lump me with your silly console war. I merely specate here and laugh at people like you poking around your accusations lol. Tell me. What systems do I own oh so omnipotent one that knows such about me lol?

I'm a fanboy because I point out the actions of PS3 fans on the board yeah okay. Lets not act so sensitive to me pointing out what the PS3 fans do here just because you are one as well.