Microsoft,we don't want your LIVE in our PC games...Go away!

[QUOTE="karasill"]True, but I don't think anyone gets it. If Microsoft didn't exist, another company would have stepped up to the plate and taken charge. Who's to say Apple or Linux wouldn't have implemented some sort of Open GL or other graphics standard if they were given the chance to? The reason they don't now is becaue Microsoft and DirectX is too big to compete with.Makari

[QUOTE="wok7"]M$ will do whatever it takes to bring PC Gaming back to the hardcore.Rougehunter

PC's best sales are for WoW and Sims 2 expansions. The PC version of multiplats are the dumbed down because they are simply quick ports of the console version, the consoles are the lead platforms now and is where the money is made for gaming.

[QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"]im not talking about the game itself, im taking about the screen, the harddrive, the graphics card, etc.karasill

You assume Apple would be the same company as it is today if Microsoft didn't exist. They would have realized the market of games, and I'm sure with the help of Apple, devs would have made gaming work just fine.

okay let me ask you something then. if games can run perfectly on apple/ linux. then why arent many developers making games for apple/linux as they are for windows?

[QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"]im not talking about the game itself, im taking about the screen, the harddrive, the graphics card, etc.karasill

You assume Apple would be the same company as it is today if Microsoft didn't exist. They would have realized the market of games, and I'm sure with the help of Apple, devs would have made gaming work just fine.

They can put their goofy Windows Live on PC games all they want, doesn't mean anybody's gonna use it. :lol:t3hTwinky

If they put it in the game you have to use it. It's not like Gamespy Arcade, which is offered as an optional install, it's integrated into the game.

[QUOTE="karasill"]

[QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"]im not talking about the game itself, im taking about the screen, the harddrive, the graphics card, etc.SaintsRowSam

You assume Apple would be the same company as it is today if Microsoft didn't exist. They would have realized the market of games, and I'm sure with the help of Apple, devs would have made gaming work just fine.

okay let me ask you something then. if games can run perfectly on apple/ linux. then why arent many developers making games for apple/linux as they are for windows?

Because there aren't enough people using those operating systems.

[QUOTE="karasill"]

[QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"]im not talking about the game itself, im taking about the screen, the harddrive, the graphics card, etc.SaintsRowSam

You assume Apple would be the same company as it is today if Microsoft didn't exist. They would have realized the market of games, and I'm sure with the help of Apple, devs would have made gaming work just fine.

okay let me ask you something then. if games can run perfectly on apple/ linux. then why arent many developers making games for apple/linux as they are for windows?

To play DX10 games you are going to need Vista. So LIVE is going to be next.

[QUOTE="Rougehunter"]

[QUOTE="wok7"]M$ will do whatever it takes to bring PC Gaming back to the hardcore.wok7

PC's best sales are for WoW and Sims 2 expansions. The PC version of multiplats are the dumbed down because they are simply quick ports of the console version, the consoles are the lead platforms now and is where the money is made for gaming.

To play DX10 games you are going to need Vista. So LIVE is going to be next.

PS3_3DO

DX10 has nothing to do with Live....

[QUOTE="Rougehunter"]

[QUOTE="wok7"]M$ will do whatever it takes to bring PC Gaming back to the hardcore.wok7

PC's best sales are for WoW and Sims 2 expansions. The PC version of multiplats are the dumbed down because they are simply quick ports of the console version, the consoles are the lead platforms now and is where the money is made for gaming.

Seriously do you do anything else besides talk **** and try and prove that consoles are da bomb.

M$ really didn't start electronic games, there were a few long before M$ was ever thought of. I remember playing some of these years ago in local fairs (abuot 30 to 35 years ago). M$ only took these games and released them on a PC in the begining.

As for live being a pay service by it's customer and M$ is also being paid some serious money for the ads on live is nothing more than being double payed for something.

Sony is keeping basic HOME free because there using this ad money to pay for the majority of the service. Although there are things you can purchase in HOME but it's not something that you have to do to play on-line.

I hope that when HOME is released that Live will fall flate on it's face because this will help keep the other services free.

technically playing BF2 isn't free...someone else is just forking over the money for you....those servers are anything but cheapUnknownSniper65

yay for economics!

haha "there's no such thing as a free lunch"

in reality though, im not an avid pc gamer so i dont know what MS' motives are and how things are run right now.

But based on my political stance on issues such as these. Microsoft can do whatever they want, it's a fre market economy. If people don't like it (which, judging by this board, the majority seems to agree with the statement), then it won't sell and it will probably fade away. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Chances are you're running a Microsoft product on your computer right now...maybe even if you have a Mac.

console online sucksdeadmeat59

at least it doesn't lag as much ...or give us spyware.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

To play DX10 games you are going to need Vista. So LIVE is going to be next.

cobrax25

DX10 has nothing to do with Live....

More games are going to use it in the future I bet after MS makes it better.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

To play DX10 games you are going to need Vista. So LIVE is going to be next.

cobrax25

DX10 has nothing to do with Live....

I was at a electronics show today and the M$ show couldn't even get there Vista to do any basic task. It couldn't even get on-line although it had it's own dedicated IP service sitting rite beside the system.

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]console online sucksturgore

at least it doesn't lag as much ...or give us spyware.

Yah, the 25 ping I get on dedicated servers is so laggy. It's unbearable.

[QUOTE="turgore"]

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]console online sucksKantroce

at least it doesn't lag as much ...or give us spyware.

Yah, the 25 ping I get on dedicated servers is so laggy. It's unbearable.

rofl someone should sig that

[QUOTE="karasill"]Ummm, that's because the ported games were designed for Windows and ported over, of course it's going to run like crap. If games were designed for Apple's OS it would be fine. If Windows never exsited then Devs would have built games from the ground up on Apple's OS, just like they do for Windows now..... I can't say it any easier dude :| We never needed MS for PC gaming. Another company like Apple or Linux would have stepped up to the plate and would have been about as big as Microsoft is now.Makari

Yes, I love Windows locking us down with Direct X and forcing me to upgrade to Vista to run Direct X 10, or in some cases, forcing me to upgrade to Vista to play certain games that just, clearly, do not require Vista (Halo 2 anyone? Not that I really wanted to play that...).

Seriously, if an open platform like Linux was the standard for PC Gaming it'd be a much happier place, and the future of PC gaming would also be far brighter.

at least it doesn't lag as much ...or give us spyware.turgore

EDIT: :roll: Please..... doesn't lag as much? You do realise Xbox Live doesn't have dedicated servers - you do realise that right?

Yes, I love Windows locking us down with Direct X and forcing me to upgrade to Vista to run Direct X 10, or in some cases, forcing me to upgrade to Vista to play certain games that just, clearly, do not require Vista (Halo 2 anyone? Not that I really wanted to play that...). Seriously, if an open platform like Linux was the standard for PC Gaming it'd be a much happier place, and the future of PC gaming would also be far brighter.1carus

M$ will do whatever it takes to bring PC Gaming back to the hardcore.wok7

wok7, I would like to meet you, there are sometimes when you just make my day, today I was so depressed, but I saw your comment, guess what LOLOLLOL

you wouldent even be playing pc games if it wasnt for microsoft.....SaintsRowSam

and you wouldnt even be playing video games if it werent for charles babbage

M$ will do whatever it takes to bring PC Gaming back to the hardcore.wok7

yes but shoudnt microsoft first implement HD in pc's ?

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

To play DX10 games you are going to need Vista. So LIVE is going to be next.

PS3_3DO

DX10 has nothing to do with Live....

More games are going to use it in the future I bet after MS makes it better.

Windows live is the exact thing PC gamers hate, developer control....

Valve knew what they were doing, when they made steam and the source engine, it was specifclly designed to be as customizable and moddable as possble...thats why Steamworks supports mods and Live doesnt....and untile live does support them, along with clan run servers that also seem to be missing....Windows live will never be used for anything but MS games and the most mediocre third party ones.

To play DX10 games you are going to need Vista. So LIVE is going to be next.

PS3_3DO

till now only sh*tty games are being supported by live so i dont think i will use it.

only if valve , blizzard, crytek start using live then i will consider

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]They can put their goofy Windows Live on PC games all they want, doesn't mean anybody's gonna use it. :lol:InsaneBasura

If they put it in the game you have to use it. It's not like Gamespy Arcade, which is offered as an optional install, it's integrated into the game.

Well then guess which games aren't going to sell well?

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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]why not microsoft knows what there doing and this service will be a blaststereointegrity

No, if you played any games using it currently you would know it is a total disaster and is not something that is recieved well by PC gamers that have been recieving an even better online service for free for a long time now.

technically playing BF2 isn't free...someone else is just forking over the money for you....those servers are anything but cheapUnknownSniper65

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="bignice12"]

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]why not microsoft knows what there doing and this service will be a blastl-_-l

No, if you played any games using it currently you would know it is a total disaster and is not something that is recieved well by PC gamers that have been recieving an even better online service for free for a long time now.

agreed

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

To play DX10 games you are going to need Vista. So LIVE is going to be next.

PS3_3DO

DX10 has nothing to do with Live....

More games are going to use it in the future I bet after MS makes it better.

Fortunately they won't. Especialy with much better and free alternative avaible that Steamworks is

true, i really hope ms drops this idea of live for windowsnaval

All GFWL games have failed this far, so I hope they drop it soon, then again MS is pretty persistent so who knows. If they weren't so greedy and released their games via Steam they could had been hits, but no, it's MS, they can't support another company even when it's for their own best.EntwineX

MS should just try to find a way to buyout Valve/Steam and keep Live on consoles.

I enjoy xbox live for my 360 and my old xbox. But i agree its a little ridicolous to make PC gamers pay for xboxlive when they only play one game online (gears or shadowrun for an example)

I think the idea is great to have console players against PC players for some games. But make it free for PC gamers to play there LIVER enabled games with xbox live players.

Maybe telling them by not purchasing their products would be a better way to get your message across, unless you think posting on a message board that they probably don't or won't ever read helps... :wink:farrell2k

Most of their games suck anyway, especially Halo 3.

If MS put Live in PC games...Who is going to stop them?SpinoRaptor

The sales of those games, thats what :P ( Gears , HAlo 2 , Viva pinata , Shadow Run , all disasters. )