Microsoft,we don't want your LIVE in our PC games...Go away!

It's why I didn't buy GeoW for the PC. rimnet00

I think that I see what you did there.

Wait...

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

To play DX10 games you are going to need Vista. So LIVE is going to be next.

AdrianWerner

DX10 has nothing to do with Live....

More games are going to use it in the future I bet after MS makes it better.

Fortunately they won't. Especialy with much better and free alternative avaible that Steamworks is

MS is on-board of the PC gaming Alliance to try and save GFWL. They are going to get Intel, Nvidia, AMD, to support Live you watch and see.

Seriously Microsoft,don't try and infect PC gaming aswell with your shoddy service. Incorporating 360's with PC's is the worst idea ever. We don't want live and we don't want 360 games! No hermit wants to play Halo 3 on PC and pay 5 bucks a month for friends lists! I'm perfectly fine playing BF2 online for free with 64 people thanks.

NOTE: I know none of this stuff has happened yet,but you can see this is what Microsoft is trying to start here. They've already incorporated live into shadowrun and gears pc. Soon they'll port Halo 3, then other componies will join windows live,and eventually we'll be paying monthly to pc game!

stephant_6

Interview on IGN:

Q: So it's possible to have different price points for Live on PC and Xbox 360?

A: "Anything's possible. But we are not confirming anything at this point."

Q: But the possibility exists?

A: "Absolutely, yeah."

Q: Will Games for Windows - Live ever be able to be launched when not inside a program that supports it?

A: "People told us they want to be able to get their friends list and their dashboard outside of being in a game. That's definitely something we're looking at, I can't commit to a date yet."

Well, Microsoft obviously noticed that PC gamers aren't a bunch of ignorant dumbasses.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

To play DX10 games you are going to need Vista. So LIVE is going to be next.

PS3_3DO

DX10 has nothing to do with Live....

More games are going to use it in the future I bet after MS makes it better.

Fortunately they won't. Especialy with much better and free alternative avaible that Steamworks is

MS is on-board of the PC gaming Alliance to try and save GFWL. They are going to get Intel, Nvidia, AMD, to support Live you watch and see.

Get a clue, son.

Microsoft doesn't have the power to get AMD, Intel or Nvidia on board with something that will make one of their most profitable sectors less profitable.

Woops, I think I just fed the troll again.

[QUOTE="bignice12"]

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]why not microsoft knows what there doing and this service will be a blaststereointegrity

No, if you played any games using it currently you would know it is a total disaster and is not something that is recieved well by PC gamers that have been recieving an even better online service for free for a long time now.

hermits will benefit? by just paying for monthly subscription?

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

To play DX10 games you are going to need Vista. So LIVE is going to be next.

PS3_3DO

DX10 has nothing to do with Live....

More games are going to use it in the future I bet after MS makes it better.

Fortunately they won't. Especialy with much better and free alternative avaible that Steamworks is

MS is on-board of the PC gaming Alliance to try and save GFWL. They are going to get Intel, Nvidia, AMD, to support Live you watch and see.

except GFWL needs software support, not hardware support, so this isn't going to help them. It might even kill GFWL once and for all, because it's an idea that damages pcgaming and those companies are in alliance to help pcgaming (and in result themselves), not damage it and their profits just to help MS

But dude... there's points!elektrixxx

there is potential but atm live is full of bugs bugs and more bugs

you wouldent even be playing pc games if it wasnt for microsoft.....SaintsRowSam

If there was no MS, there would be another company.

GFWL flopped like hell already so don't worry. It will remain mostly in MS games. After how horribly Universe at war flopped (first 3rd party GFWL game) both criticaly and in sales I don't think we need to fear GFWL infecting many other pc gamesAdrianWerner

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]why not microsoft knows what there doing and this service will be a blastbignice12

No, if you played any games using it currently you would know it is a total disaster and is not something that is recieved well by PC gamers that have been recieving an even better online service for free for a long time now.

That's the prob with the PCers. They want everything for free. It turns out, devs don't like that. You guys are basically killing yourselfs. 50% piracy rate with PC games.. Online payed by others.. It'll be dead in 10 years. No doubt.xsubtownerx

You should add something in your signature like: "I spread lie for free"

btw Pepsi is better O_o

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]That's the prob with the PCers. They want everything for free. It turns out, devs don't like that. You guys are basically killing yourselfs. 50% piracy rate with PC games.. Online payed by others.. It'll be dead in 10 years. No doubt.Franko_3

You should add something in your signature like: "I spread lie for free"

btw Pepsi is better O_o

Ew.. Pepsi...

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]GFWL flopped like hell already so don't worry. It will remain mostly in MS games. After how horribly Universe at war flopped (first 3rd party GFWL game) both criticaly and in sales I don't think we need to fear GFWL infecting many other pc gamesMakari

Well, they can only blame themselves. THey made run of the mill boring RTS in a year where the genre made a leap forward with WiC, SupCom and CoH (that was late 2006, but still) and to make matters worse you need GFWL Gold to make most of it's online features. I mean..heck..CnC3 is better than UaW.

It's a shame because Empire at War was much better,fresher and more promising game than UaW and I think that right now it's actualy sellin better on monthly basis than UaW is

The whole LIVE Anywhere thing COULD be good, but only if it's done right. Sadly, so far it hasn't been. Shadowrun was an absolute joke, and that's not a very auspicious beginning. I don't know how this LIVE Anywhere is going to turn out, but I'll say that I've played online games before on both my 360 and my PC, and I've never had a problem with them being seperate. I, for one, am really not interested in hearing 10 year old Halo kiddies screaming at me, thanks very much.

Like I said, done right LIVE Anywhere could work. Like Halo 3 for the PC (we know it'll happen, both Halo 1 and 2 went to PC eventually). That could work, I guess, because Halo is that kind of game, plus it already has an established fanbase. But what Microsoft should definitely NOT do is release another Shadowrun, i.e. another awful multiplayer game designed specifically to showcase LIVE Anywhere, which is an OK service if bundled with a great game, but really starts to show its mediocrity when showcased by a game like Shadowrun.

That's the prob with the PCers. They want everything for free.xsubtownerx

Indeed. That's why they apparently spend thousands of dollars on hardware. Cheapskates.

It turns out, devs don't like that.xsubtownerx

They hate giving away things for free so much they've been doing it with PC gaming for the past few decades through online, patches, updated content and demos. I guess they were just trying to build up an immunity to it or something.

You guys are basically killing yourselfs. 50% piracy rate with PC games.. xsubtownerx

Good statistic.

Online payed by others.. It'll be dead in 10 years. No doubt.xsubtownerx

Yeah. Obviously.

Even though there is virtually no chance the modern PC will be phased out anytime soon, gaming on the PC will be dead within 10 years because a bunch of money grubbers like MS can't have their way.

It's impossible for example that indie development would continue to exist outside a corporate framework or that, geez I dunno, software developers will continue to make profit even being hindered by piracy.

No, PC gaming will be dead in 10 years, and that won't horribly mutilate any other forms of gaming either. It's not like the big console hardware and software companies make most of their revenue on the PC.

I hope to see more of your intelligent analysis in the future.

M$ needs more money $$$$. That's why I quit playing PC games and E-bayed my 360. Shotty systems, shotty everything and it costs you every time.

M$ will do whatever it takes to bring PC Gaming back to the hardcore.wok7

Like implementing HD right?

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]That's the prob with the PCers. They want everything for free.Danm_999

Indeed. That's why they apparently spend thousands of dollars on hardware. Cheapskates.

It turns out, devs don't like that.xsubtownerx

They hate giving away things for free so much they've been doing it with PC gaming for the past few decades through online, patches, updated content and demos. I guess they were just trying to build up an immunity to it or something.

You guys are basically killing yourselfs. 50% piracy rate with PC games.. xsubtownerx

Good statistic.

Online payed by others.. It'll be dead in 10 years. No doubt.xsubtownerx

Yeah. Obviously.

Even though there is virtually no chance the modern PC will be phased out anytime soon, gaming on the PC will be dead within 10 years because a bunch of money grubbers like MS can't have their way.

It's impossible for example that indie development would continue to exist outside a corporate framework or that, geez I dunno, software developers will continue to make profit even being hindered by piracy.

No, PC gaming will be dead in 10 years, and that won't horribly mutilate any other forms of gaming either. It's not like the big console hardware and software companies make most of their revenue on the PC.

I hope to see more of your intelligent analysis in the future.

Do you honestly think I'm the only one who gave up PC gaming for console gaming? Consoles are getting better and better and it's just a matter of time. If you think Devs aren't noticing the millions they make off consoles as opposed to the PC, then you're not as smart as you make yourself out to be. Do you need me to explain to you why PC gaming was so big in the 90's and made consoles look like a joke? Or are you able to figure it out for yourself? Feel free to own me with a list of the top 10 games coming out on the PC this year that you will not find on a console. Make it top 5. I'll give you a sportin' chance.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]That's the prob with the PCers. They want everything for free.xsubtownerx

Indeed. That's why they apparently spend thousands of dollars on hardware. Cheapskates.

It turns out, devs don't like that.xsubtownerx

They hate giving away things for free so much they've been doing it with PC gaming for the past few decades through online, patches, updated content and demos. I guess they were just trying to build up an immunity to it or something.

You guys are basically killing yourselfs. 50% piracy rate with PC games.. xsubtownerx

Good statistic.

Online payed by others.. It'll be dead in 10 years. No doubt.xsubtownerx

Yeah. Obviously.

Even though there is virtually no chance the modern PC will be phased out anytime soon, gaming on the PC will be dead within 10 years because a bunch of money grubbers like MS can't have their way.

It's impossible for example that indie development would continue to exist outside a corporate framework or that, geez I dunno, software developers will continue to make profit even being hindered by piracy.

No, PC gaming will be dead in 10 years, and that won't horribly mutilate any other forms of gaming either. It's not like the big console hardware and software companies make most of their revenue on the PC.

I hope to see more of your intelligent analysis in the future.

Do you honestly think I'm the only one who gave up PC gaming for console gaming? Consoles are getting better and better and it's just a matter of time. If you think Devs aren't noticing the millions they make off consoles as opposed to the PC, then you're not as smart as you make yourself out to be. Do you need me to explain to you why PC gaming was so big in the 90's and made consoles look like a joke? Or are you able to figure it out for yourself? Feel free to own me with a list of the top 10 games coming out on the PC this year that you will not find on a console. Make it top 5. I'll give you a sportin' chance.

1. Consoles are becoming more and more like PCs, in case you haven't noticed.

2. What? Are you suggesting that PC games cannot sell millions? Bioshock, Crysis, STALKER, CoD4, CNC3, Witcher, WoW:BC etc. are all easy million sellers on the PC.

3. Check here

Do you honestly think I'm the only one who gave up PC gaming for console gaming?xsubtownerx

I am searching for where I said this...

Consoles are getting better and better and it's just a matter of time. xsubtownerx

They getting more expensive too. Apart from the 3D0 we've seen the two most expensive consoles of all time this generation. Software prices seem for many systems inexplicably locked at a price floor of $60 (well, Microsoft's greed is an explanation I guess).

But your right, they are getting better in some capacities. But you'll also notice every single improvement they make mimics the PC as a gaming system. Whether it be online service, wireless periphals or user created content, consoles are not getting the edge on the PC, they are BECOMING them.

In this scenario consoles become so much like PCs a distinction is pointless and the PC will be victorious since it still exists as we know it today.

If you think Devs aren't noticing the millions they make off consoles as opposed to the PC,xsubtownerx

Also searching for where I said this....

then you're not as smart as you make yourself out to be.xsubtownerx

:(

Do you need me to explain to you why PC gaming was so big in the 90's and made consoles look like a joke? Or are you able to figure it out for yourself? Feel free to own me with a list of the top 10 games coming out on the PC this year that you will not find on a console. Make it top 5. I'll give you a sportin' chance.

xsubtownerx

The reasons the PC dominated in the 90s still apply today. It's an open platform that can constantly customise and upgrade its hardware. This allows for unrivalled access and innovation in software, since it is not bound by licensing, by fees, by standardised hardware, or even by copyright and ownership laws.

Seriously, I can rock up to EB, get the Orange Box cheaper on the PC than the 360, go home and enjoy a whole plethora of mods. The PC is still making consoles look like a joke.

And the soloutions to rid consoles of these problems cannot occur. Else they become PCs. That's why consoles, by definition, will never be able to rival or vanquish the PC in terms of the quality of the gaming experience, which is why the system won't ever die as a gaming platform.

Sure, developers notice how nice sales are on consoles, but they also notice how large an audience (larger than any console's userbase) they reach for a fraction of the cost (no licensing fees on a PC) and with no hardware restrictions. If your argument was true, Crysis would be on consoles, as would huge games like WoW, or the Witcher.

As for your challenge:

1) Starcraft 2

2) WoW: Wrath of the Lich King (zomg, two Blizzard games, PC gaming is dying)

3) Sins of a Solar Empire

4) Empire: Total War

5) Dragon Age

1. Consoles are becoming more and more like PCs, in case you haven't noticed.

2. What? Are you suggesting that PC games cannot sell millions? Bioshock, Crysis, STALKER, CoD4, CNC3, Witcher, WoW:BC etc. are all easy million sellers on the PC.

3. Check here

aliblabla2007

That's my point exactly. And I know some games still sell well, but it's going down year after year.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14001

the numbers don't lie. Reason 1 being piracy.

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

1. Consoles are becoming more and more like PCs, in case you haven't noticed.

2. What? Are you suggesting that PC games cannot sell millions? Bioshock, Crysis, STALKER, CoD4, CNC3, Witcher, WoW:BC etc. are all easy million sellers on the PC.

3. Check here

xsubtownerx

That's my point exactly. And I know some games still sell well, but it's going down year after year.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14001

the numbers don't lie. Reason 1 being piracy.

havnt been here long have you? NPD has already admitted it doesnt include Digital Distribution and anything outside of US.

at GDC it was announced that PC revenue was 30% of the market, including 360/PS3/Wii/DS/PSP.

NPD lies, NPD is not the world.

havnt been here long have you? NPD has already admitted it doesnt include Digital Distribution and anything outside of US.

at GDC it was announced that PC revenue was 30% of the market, including 360/PS3/Wii/DS/PSP.

NPD lies, NPD is not the world.

Meu2k7

Proof?

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

1. Consoles are becoming more and more like PCs, in case you haven't noticed.

2. What? Are you suggesting that PC games cannot sell millions? Bioshock, Crysis, STALKER, CoD4, CNC3, Witcher, WoW:BC etc. are all easy million sellers on the PC.

3. Check here

xsubtownerx

That's my point exactly. And I know some games still sell well, but it's going down year after year.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14001

the numbers don't lie. Reason 1 being piracy.

You did not just use NPD figures to try and justify your point....

Firstly, you do realize the NPD includes all consoles and all handhelds vs. the PC? A 7 vs. 1 scenario (360, PS3, PS2, Wii, PSP, GBA), where the PC is then holding it's ground as an average.

Secondly, it's only US figures. While the US is a large market, it's shown itself as remarkably bad at reflecting global trends in PC game sales where Asia, Oceania and Europe drive a large portion of the market. Great example of that is the Witcher. Sold a few thousand units in the USA, a million globally.

Thirdly, the NPD admits they don't track online forms of revenue like Steam and Direct2Drive, forms of revenue which the PC basically has dominance on when it comes to software sales.

NPD numbers are so bad for calculating global PC gaming revenue it hurts.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

havnt been here long have you? NPD has already admitted it doesnt include Digital Distribution and anything outside of US.

at GDC it was announced that PC revenue was 30% of the market, including 360/PS3/Wii/DS/PSP.

NPD lies, NPD is not the world.

xsubtownerx

Proof?

http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance

"He offered up stats on the US and worldwide PC games market, saying the former (not including casual games) in 2007 generated $2.76bn revenue, a year-on-year rise of 12 per cent, accounted for 30 per cent of gaming revenues in the territory, and was set to make $9.6bn - a rise of 16 per cent - in 2008. For the global games market the figures were $8.3bn in 2007, up 14 per cent, with 2008 revenues set to be $9.6bn, up for 16 per cent.

There are 263 million onlne PC gamers worldwide, added Stude, saying it was proof that the PC gaming market's death has been greatly exaggerated."

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

havnt been here long have you? NPD has already admitted it doesnt include Digital Distribution and anything outside of US.

at GDC it was announced that PC revenue was 30% of the market, including 360/PS3/Wii/DS/PSP.

NPD lies, NPD is not the world.

xsubtownerx

Proof?

NPD sales not inclusive of PC online.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

havnt been here long have you? NPD has already admitted it doesnt include Digital Distribution and anything outside of US.

at GDC it was announced that PC revenue was 30% of the market, including 360/PS3/Wii/DS/PSP.

NPD lies, NPD is not the world.

Meu2k7

Proof?

http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance

"He offered up stats on the US and worldwide PC games market, saying the former (not including casual games) in 2007 generated $2.76bn revenue, a year-on-year rise of 12 per cent, accounted for 30 per cent of gaming revenues in the territory, and was set to make $9.6bn - a rise of 16 per cent - in 2008. For the global games market the figures were $8.3bn in 2007, up 14 per cent, with 2008 revenues set to be $9.6bn, up for 16 per cent.

There are 263 million onlne PC gamers worldwide, added Stude, saying it was proof that the PC gaming market's death has been greatly exaggerated."

I think that article is just prolonging the inevitable death of the PC. I don't exactly see how that proves your point. Anyways. Quote me if you want, 10 years PC gaming will be dead.

I think that article is just prolonging the inevitable death of the PC. I don't exactly see how that prove your point. Anyways. Quote me if you want, 10 years PC gaming will be dead.

xsubtownerx

If you don't see how rapid rises in revenue earned from year to year and a 263 million strong userbase doesn't prove Meu2k7's point that PC gaming isn't dying, I'm concerned your brain isn't getting enough oxygen.

And why would anyone quote you? Those are saved for the truly outrageous and unique ignorant statements. Yours is so cut and dry, so tired and overdone nobody would have any interest in it.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

havnt been here long have you? NPD has already admitted it doesnt include Digital Distribution and anything outside of US.

at GDC it was announced that PC revenue was 30% of the market, including 360/PS3/Wii/DS/PSP.

NPD lies, NPD is not the world.

xsubtownerx

Proof?

http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance

"He offered up stats on the US and worldwide PC games market, saying the former (not including casual games) in 2007 generated $2.76bn revenue, a year-on-year rise of 12 per cent, accounted for 30 per cent of gaming revenues in the territory, and was set to make $9.6bn - a rise of 16 per cent - in 2008. For the global games market the figures were $8.3bn in 2007, up 14 per cent, with 2008 revenues set to be $9.6bn, up for 16 per cent.

There are 263 million onlne PC gamers worldwide, added Stude, saying it was proof that the PC gaming market's death has been greatly exaggerated."

I think that article is just prolonging the inevitable death of the PC. I don't exactly see how that proves your point. Anyways. Quote me if you want, 10 years PC gaming will be dead.

Yea yea :roll: another lemming that cant admit it.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

havnt been here long have you? NPD has already admitted it doesnt include Digital Distribution and anything outside of US.

at GDC it was announced that PC revenue was 30% of the market, including 360/PS3/Wii/DS/PSP.

NPD lies, NPD is not the world.

Meu2k7

Proof?

http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance

"He offered up stats on the US and worldwide PC games market, saying the former (not including casual games) in 2007 generated $2.76bn revenue, a year-on-year rise of 12 per cent, accounted for 30 per cent of gaming revenues in the territory, and was set to make $9.6bn - a rise of 16 per cent - in 2008. For the global games market the figures were $8.3bn in 2007, up 14 per cent, with 2008 revenues set to be $9.6bn, up for 16 per cent.

There are 263 million onlne PC gamers worldwide, added Stude, saying it was proof that the PC gaming market's death has been greatly exaggerated."

I think that article is just prolonging the inevitable death of the PC. I don't exactly see how that proves your point. Anyways. Quote me if you want, 10 years PC gaming will be dead.

Yea yea :roll: another lemming that cant admit it.

The funny thing is that he actually used the "Just Wait" defence!

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

havnt been here long have you? NPD has already admitted it doesnt include Digital Distribution and anything outside of US.

at GDC it was announced that PC revenue was 30% of the market, including 360/PS3/Wii/DS/PSP.

NPD lies, NPD is not the world.

xsubtownerx

Proof?

http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance

"He offered up stats on the US and worldwide PC games market, saying the former (not including casual games) in 2007 generated $2.76bn revenue, a year-on-year rise of 12 per cent, accounted for 30 per cent of gaming revenues in the territory, and was set to make $9.6bn - a rise of 16 per cent - in 2008. For the global games market the figures were $8.3bn in 2007, up 14 per cent, with 2008 revenues set to be $9.6bn, up for 16 per cent.

There are 263 million onlne PC gamers worldwide, added Stude, saying it was proof that the PC gaming market's death has been greatly exaggerated."

I think that article is just prolonging the inevitable death of the PC. I don't exactly see how that proves your point. Anyways. Quote me if you want, 10 years PC gaming will be dead.

How does a rise in revenue not prove his point? :|

Yea yea :roll: another lemming that cant admit it.

Meu2k7

Admit what? I spent 10 years of my life as a hardcore PC gamer. There's nothing to admit.

If you don't see how rapid rises in revenue earned from year to year and a 263 million strong userbase doesn't prove Meu2k7's point that PC gaming isn't dying, I'm concerned your brain isn't getting enough oxygen.

And why would anyone quote you? Those are saved for the truly outrageous and unique ignorant statements. Yours is so cut and dry, so tired and overdone nobody would have any interest in it.

Danm_999

PC gaming isn't like it used to be. I don't really care if you believe it or not.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Yea yea :roll: another lemming that cant admit it.

xsubtownerx

Admit what? I spent 10 years of my life as a hardcore PC gamer. There's nothing to admit.

If you don't see how rapid rises in revenue earned from year to year and a 263 million strong userbase doesn't prove Meu2k7's point that PC gaming isn't dying, I'm concerned your brain isn't getting enough oxygen.

And why would anyone quote you? Those are saved for the truly outrageous and unique ignorant statements. Yours is so cut and dry, so tired and overdone nobody would have any interest in it.

Danm_999

PC gaming isn't like it used to be. I don't really care if you believe it or not.

Yea well so have I? Whats different? please enlighten me?

Yea well so have I? Whats different? please enlighten me?

Meu2k7

I don't know what I can say. If I look at your sig, I see CoD4, Mass Effect and GoW being played on a console. Maybe you could enlighten yourself, buddy.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Yea well so have I? Whats different? please enlighten me?

xsubtownerx

I don't know what I can say. If I look at your sig, I see CoD4, Mass Effect and GoW being played on a console. Maybe you could enlighten yourself, buddy.

Because I have never been a Hermit only? I have a PC/Wii/360, I owned everything but an xbox last gen, I had PS1/N64 , and Snes/megadrive aswell?

Its funny, my TF2 played time on this new Xfire account his higher than my 360's overall ( if it was recorded ) .

Gears of War was rented, the 6 hour SP and laggy generic online didnt warrant a purchase, Mass Effect because I love Bioware games, but I will be trading it in for the PC version on day 1.

CoD4 is swapped with a mate for my Mass Effect, so I could compare versions, ive played it for about 2 hours after realizing that its just a downgrade.

I will own Assasins Creed PC and DMC 4 PC the second they are out ( March ) , and will buy GTA4 for 360 , then trade it in for PC version in October.

But thanks again, for not giving any reasons, jsut prooves my point doesnt it? I'm still waiting for enlightenment.

you wouldent even be playing pc games if it wasnt for microsoft.....SaintsRowSam

That is total BS.

Seriously Microsoft,don't try and infect PC gaming aswell with your shoddy service. Incorporating 360's with PC's is the worst idea ever. We don't want live and we don't want 360 games! No hermit wants to play Halo 3 on PC and pay 5 bucks a month for friends lists! I'm perfectly fine playing BF2 online for free with 64 people thanks.

NOTE: I know none of this stuff has happened yet,but you can see this is what Microsoft is trying to start here. They've already incorporated live into shadowrun and gears pc. Soon they'll port Halo 3, then other componies will join windows live,and eventually we'll be paying monthly to pc game!

stephant_6

what os do you use? MICROSOFT WINDOWS maybe? how can you infect something that's already been infected. and live has been for pc for over a year...

PC gaming isn't like it used to be. I don't really care if you believe it or not.

xsubtownerx

However fact is that PCgaming is now bigger and stronger than ever before

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Yea well so have I? Whats different? please enlighten me?

Meu2k7

I don't know what I can say. If I look at your sig, I see CoD4, Mass Effect and GoW being played on a console. Maybe you could enlighten yourself, buddy.

Because I have never been a Hermit only? I have a PC/Wii/360, I owned everything but an xbox last gen, I had PS1/N64 , and Snes/megadrive aswell?

Its funny, my TF2 played time on this new Xfire account his higher than my 360's overall ( if it was recorded ) .

Gears of War was rented, the 6 hour SP and laggy generic online didnt warrant a purchase, Mass Effect because I love Bioware games, but I will be trading it in for the PC version on day 1.

CoD4 is swapped with a mate for my Mass Effect, so I could compare versions, ive played it for about 2 hours after realizing that its just a downgrade.

I will own Assasins Creed PC and DMC 4 PC the second they are out ( March ) , and will buy GTA4 for 360 , then trade it in for PC version in October.

But thanks again, for not giving any reasons, jsut prooves my point doesnt it? I'm still waiting for enlightenment.

That's great for you, man. Not everyone can afford EVERYTHING, but that's so cool that you can. People that can't afford such luxury are switching to consoles. Fact. The two main factors being "convenience and comfort". More games are sold on consoles than PCs world wide. Fact. The PC was dominating the game industry in the 90's, not anymore. And it will keep on declining. Fact.

. If you think Devs aren't noticing the millions they make off consoles as opposed to the PC, then you're not as smart as you make yourself out to be.

xsubtownerx

if you think devs regularly make millions on console game then you obviously have no idea how market works. Publishers make millions, not developers. There are almostno more independent developers left on console market. Everybody either went bancrupt or was bought by publiher. For most PC developers PCgaming is much more prefered than console market

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Yea well so have I? Whats different? please enlighten me?

xsubtownerx

I don't know what I can say. If I look at your sig, I see CoD4, Mass Effect and GoW being played on a console. Maybe you could enlighten yourself, buddy.

Because I have never been a Hermit only? I have a PC/Wii/360, I owned everything but an xbox last gen, I had PS1/N64 , and Snes/megadrive aswell?

Its funny, my TF2 played time on this new Xfire account his higher than my 360's overall ( if it was recorded ) .

Gears of War was rented, the 6 hour SP and laggy generic online didnt warrant a purchase, Mass Effect because I love Bioware games, but I will be trading it in for the PC version on day 1.

CoD4 is swapped with a mate for my Mass Effect, so I could compare versions, ive played it for about 2 hours after realizing that its just a downgrade.

I will own Assasins Creed PC and DMC 4 PC the second they are out ( March ) , and will buy GTA4 for 360 , then trade it in for PC version in October.

But thanks again, for not giving any reasons, jsut prooves my point doesnt it? I'm still waiting for enlightenment.

That's great for you, man. Not everyone can afford EVERYTHING, but that's so cool that you can. People that can't afford such luxury are switching to consoles. Fact. The two main factors being "convenience and comfort". More games are sold on consoles than PCs world wide. Fact. The PC was dominating the game industry in the 90's, not anymore. And it will keep on declining. Fact.

I like your imaginary facts when I prooved you wrong with a very credible link.

Oh and 6 systems vs 1? well done genius? if they didnt have the larger market share I would be worried for them :S.

Your just another ignorant lemming, trying to argue with a near manticore.

I wasnt boasting at all, someone who owns more systems will see a larger picture, those bias is still there no doubt.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Yea well so have I? Whats different? please enlighten me?

Meu2k7

I don't know what I can say. If I look at your sig, I see CoD4, Mass Effect and GoW being played on a console. Maybe you could enlighten yourself, buddy.

Because I have never been a Hermit only? I have a PC/Wii/360, I owned everything but an xbox last gen, I had PS1/N64 , and Snes/megadrive aswell?

Its funny, my TF2 played time on this new Xfire account his higher than my 360's overall ( if it was recorded ) .

Gears of War was rented, the 6 hour SP and laggy generic online didnt warrant a purchase, Mass Effect because I love Bioware games, but I will be trading it in for the PC version on day 1.

CoD4 is swapped with a mate for my Mass Effect, so I could compare versions, ive played it for about 2 hours after realizing that its just a downgrade.

I will own Assasins Creed PC and DMC 4 PC the second they are out ( March ) , and will buy GTA4 for 360 , then trade it in for PC version in October.

But thanks again, for not giving any reasons, jsut prooves my point doesnt it? I'm still waiting for enlightenment.

That's great for you, man. Not everyone can afford EVERYTHING, but that's so cool that you can. People that can't afford such luxury are switching to consoles. Fact. The two main factors being "convenience and comfort". More games are sold on consoles than PCs world wide. Fact. The PC was dominating the game industry in the 90's, not anymore. And it will keep on declining. Fact.

I like your imaginary facts when I prooved you wrong with a very credible link.

Oh and 6 systems vs 1? well done genius? if they didnt have the larger market share I would be worried for them :S.

Your just another ignorant lemming, trying to argue with a near manticore.

I wasnt boasting at all, someone who owns more systems will see a larger picture, those bias is still there no doubt.

What imaginary facts? Dear god man.. Wake up!

What imaginary facts? Dear god man.. Wake up!xsubtownerx

why not microsoft knows what there doing and this service will be a blaststereointegrity

I know... We need somebody to make a required signup service that allows you to earn achievements *party popper* and allow support for p2p laggy games which take the ef-you-en out of fun :wink: but not only that but they need to charge you money just for the sake of royalties, that would be sick yo'

In case i appeared to be slightly unclear I was being sarcastic.