Microsoft,we don't want your LIVE in our PC games...Go away!

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]There ya go.PelekotansDream

Not sure if I can share the exact numbers or percentage of PC players with you, but I'll check and see; if I can I'll update with them. As the amount of people who pirate PC games is astounding. It blows me away at the amount of people willing to steal games (or anything) simply because it's not physical or it's on the safety of the internet to do.

But hey, you wanted a link and you got it, and there you have it straight from a COD4 developer themself, I don't see any reason for them to lie about such stuff.

and didnt they apologize for saying the most supid crap ever right after that?

WARxSnake

Do you mean the developer?

To be honest, that is the first I heard about that.

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]There ya go.Vandalvideo

Not sure if I can share the exact numbers or percentage of PC players with you, but I'll check and see; if I can I'll update with them. As the amount of people who pirate PC games is astounding. It blows me away at the amount of people willing to steal games (or anything) simply because it's not physical or it's on the safety of the internet to do.

But hey, you wanted a link and you got it, and there you have it straight from a COD4 developer themself, I don't see any reason for them to lie about such stuff.

I ain't dumb, I check the source and I have no idea where it is leading you but I actually end up on the blog of an activision developer.

http://iamfourzerotwo.com/

[QUOTE="WARxSnake"]

and didnt they apologize for saying the most supid crap ever right after that?

PelekotansDream

Do you mean the developer?

To be honest, that is the first I heard about that.

i was under the impression that a second story was up on how Infinity Ward forgot to count digital purchases which led them to beleive that the game didnt sell well.

also, if you dont buy the game, you dont get a valid cdkey, simple as that, you cant play on official cod4 servers online, and you either have to resort to playing SP only or playing with other thieves on hamachi servers. people who want to experience cod4 (and ut3 since its in the same boat) for what it is have to buy the game.

im not saying piracy doesnt exist, im saying it shouldnt affect multiplayer-based games that much or at all, since you can only get the full experience online.

also digital purchasing is helping counter piracy. id LOVE to know how many people bought cod4 on steam or on D2D and I wish those numbers were available, not only for cod4, but all PC games that are bought online.

I wouldn't mind Live on my PC, as long as it doesn't cost anything and doesn't screw with the games any.MushroomRevenge

Yes captain obvious, I know lies exist on the internet, please....thankyou letting us know.I ain't dumb, I check the source and I have no idea where it is leading you but I actually end up on the blog of an activision developer.PelekotansDream

Poor hermits.

No more free cracked games to play online. Smart move by MS. All hermits do is abuse the PC market. They deserve to be charged $10 a month four user fees.

Poor hermits.

No more free cracked games to play online. Smart move by MS. All hermits do is abuse the PC market. They deserve to be charged $10 a month four user fees.

usmcjdk6

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]Yes captain obvious, I know lies exist on the internet, please....thankyou letting us know.I ain't dumb, I check the source and I have no idea where it is leading you but I actually end up on the blog of an activision developer.Vandalvideo

Oh the Director of Communications / Community Manager?

And who are you? Are you in any position to say you know more than he does?

I ain't dumb, I check the source and I have no idea where it is leading you but I actually end up on the blog of an activision developer.

http://iamfourzerotwo.com/

PelekotansDream

Funny thing is that most of those comments come from console-centric devs. You rarely see a developer who's still PC-centric that complains about piracy.

Stardock and Iron clad are happy about their sales and I would much rather see them happy than IW or Epic.

Altough IW is laughable...PC CoD4 is already closing to 2mln copies sold with no signs of slowing down

Danm_999

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]Yes captain obvious, I know lies exist on the internet, please....thankyou letting us know.I ain't dumb, I check the source and I have no idea where it is leading you but I actually end up on the blog of an activision developer.PelekotansDream

Oh the Director of Communications / Community Manager?

And who are you? Are you in any position to say you know more than he does?

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]

I ain't dumb, I check the source and I have no idea where it is leading you but I actually end up on the blog of an activision developer.

http://iamfourzerotwo.com/

AdrianWerner

Funny thing is that most of those comments come from console-centric devs. You rarely see a developer who's still PC-centric that complains about piracy.

Stardock and Iron clad are happy about their sales and I would much rather see them happy than IW or Epic.

Altough IW is laughable...PC CoD4 is already closing to 2mln copies sold with no signs of slowing down

That's the thing really with most PC games things take very long to slow down. I think crysis will go out and sell millions in the coming few years aswell.

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]Yes captain obvious, I know lies exist on the internet, please....thankyou letting us know.I ain't dumb, I check the source and I have no idea where it is leading you but I actually end up on the blog of an activision developer.Vandalvideo

Oh the Director of Communications / Community Manager?

And who are you? Are you in any position to say you know more than he does?

Poor hermits.

No more free cracked games to play online. Smart move by MS. All hermits do is abuse the PC market. They deserve to be charged $10 a month four user fees.

usmcjdk6

You can crack GFWLs games .....

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]

I don't need to provide links, anyone who is keeping up on industry news would know it is more than just Epic saying these things. Activision have expressed disgust over the piracy state for COD4 on the PC, Peter M. reported the sad state of PC gaming and a while back the CEO of ID Software reported this.

Its been known for a while, geez.

PelekotansDream

the sad state of pc gaming has been noted since 1985 but it still has the best games.

Also, do anyone really cares about what peter m says ? do you want to know what epic think ? see http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26241002

and its funny you are talking about cod and activision, because cod5 is coming to pc even though it is being made by a console only devloper who made cod3 only for console. so why are making more games for pc is pc is doing so badly ?

And it don't change the fact that piracy hurt game sales for COD4 on the PC big time.

its being devoloped by Treyarch and published by Activision. While they didn't released a pc version for cod3 which they made but they are now releasing a pc version for cod5 . why ? because they made lots of profit on the pc version for cod4

its being devoloped by Treyarch and published by Activision. While they didn't released a pc version for cod3 which they made but they are now releasing a pc version for cod5 . why ? because they made lots of profit on the pc version for cod4

naval

Yeah and also lost lots to piracy.

You can provide all the links in the world, but if you think PC gaming is in a healthy state, you're a complete moron.. It's like people watching the weather chanel, when all you have to do is stare out the window. But here's a link. The last one I posted wasn't "valid" apperantly. So here's another one. I can't wait to see the hunchback herms come up with some excuse again that this isn't valid.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007

[QUOTE="naval"]

its being devoloped by Treyarch and published by Activision. While they didn't released a pc version for cod3 which they made but they are now releasing a pc version for cod5 . why ? because they made lots of profit on the pc version for cod4

PelekotansDream

Yeah and also lost lots to piracy.

and they are now making a pc version because they like loosing lots of money to piracy , right ?

You can provide all the links in the world, but if you think PC gaming is in a healthy state, you're a complete moron.. It's like people watching the weather chanel, when all you have to do is stare out the window. But here's a link. The last one I posted wasn't "valid" apperantly. So here's another one. I can't wait to see the hunchback herms come up with some excuse again that this isn't valid.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007

xsubtownerx

"Though the news doesn't look great, it's worth noting that this evidence isn't exactly conclusive, as the NPD doesn't track digital sales, a portion of the market that's rapidly increasing on PCs. So dry those tears, pumpkin, that big black box under your desk could be more of a chrysalis than coffin."

And GDC is a new source than this. Again, your just failing, drop it.

And thats only U.S ... seriously you must be new here or something, your just regurgertating ( Spelling? ) old garbage thats been debunked time and time again.

You can provide all the links in the world, but if you think PC gaming is in a healthy state, you're a complete moron.. It's like people watching the weather chanel, when all you have to do is stare out the window. But here's a link. The last one I posted wasn't "valid" apperantly. So here's another one. I can't wait to see the hunchback herms come up with some excuse again that this isn't valid.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007

xsubtownerx

sigh ! it really seems console fanboys have really short memory

http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance

"He offered up stats on the US and worldwide PC games market, saying the former (not including casual games) in 2007 generated $2.76bn revenue, a year-on-year rise of 12 per cent, accounted for 30 per cent of gaming revenues in the territory, and was set to make $9.6bn - a rise of 16 per cent - in 2008. For the global games market the figures were $8.3bn in 2007, up 14 per cent, with 2008 revenues set to be $9.6bn, up for 16 per cent.

There are 263 million onlne PC gamers worldwide, added Stude, saying it was proof that the PC gaming market's death has been greatly exaggerated."

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"][QUOTE="naval"]

its being devoloped by Treyarch and published by Activision. While they didn't released a pc version for cod3 which they made but they are now releasing a pc version for cod5 . why ? because they made lots of profit on the pc version for cod4

naval

Yeah and also lost lots to piracy.

and they are now making a pc version because they like loosing lots of money to piracy , right ?

[QUOTE="naval"]

its being devoloped by Treyarch and published by Activision. While they didn't released a pc version for cod3 which they made but they are now releasing a pc version for cod5 . why ? because they made lots of profit on the pc version for cod4

PelekotansDream

Yeah and also lost lots to piracy.

And they lost lots to console piracy and used games.

Really... all that matters are actual sales.

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="PelekotansDream"][QUOTE="naval"]

its being devoloped by Treyarch and published by Activision. While they didn't released a pc version for cod3 which they made but they are now releasing a pc version for cod5 . why ? because they made lots of profit on the pc version for cod4

PelekotansDream

Yeah and also lost lots to piracy.

and they are now making a pc version because they like loosing lots of money to piracy , right ?

DS/PSP/Wii/Xbox360 are all pirated, theres substantial loses there aswell, especially the DS/PSP.

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="PelekotansDream"][QUOTE="naval"]

its being devoloped by Treyarch and published by Activision. While they didn't released a pc version for cod3 which they made but they are now releasing a pc version for cod5 . why ? because they made lots of profit on the pc version for cod4

PelekotansDream

Yeah and also lost lots to piracy.

and they are now making a pc version because they like loosing lots of money to piracy , right ?

so you are saying activision likes to loose loads of moeny ? :shock:

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="PelekotansDream"][QUOTE="naval"]

its being devoloped by Treyarch and published by Activision. While they didn't released a pc version for cod3 which they made but they are now releasing a pc version for cod5 . why ? because they made lots of profit on the pc version for cod4

PelekotansDream

Yeah and also lost lots to piracy.

and they are now making a pc version because they like loosing lots of money to piracy , right ?

they aren;t loosing any money. You can't loose something you never had. One of Alliance's main goals is to actualy educate ignorant people who can't graps how good PCgaming is doing, people like you

Pff!

I aint seeing console games getting pirated as much as the PC. Sure it will happen, I can see it becoming a big problem just like it is for the PC market, but not at the moment.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

You can provide all the links in the world, but if you think PC gaming is in a healthy state, you're a complete moron.. It's like people watching the weather chanel, when all you have to do is stare out the window. But here's a link. The last one I posted wasn't "valid" apperantly. So here's another one. I can't wait to see the hunchback herms come up with some excuse again that this isn't valid.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007

Meu2k7

"Though the news doesn't look great, it's worth noting that this evidence isn't exactly conclusive, as the NPD doesn't track digital sales, a portion of the market that's rapidly increasing on PCs. So dry those tears, pumpkin, that big black box under your desk could be more of a chrysalis than coffin."

And GDC is a new source than this. Again, your just failing, drop it.

And thats only U.S ... seriously you must be new here or something, your just regurgertating ( Spelling? ) old garbage thats been debunked time and time again.

Dude, you're so naive. You amuse me. :D

Pff!

I aint seeing console games getting pirated as much as the PC. Sure it will happen, I can see it becoming a big problem just like it is for the PC market, but not at the moment.

PelekotansDream

It was for the PS2, it is for the DS/PSP, it will defintly be for the Wii, Wii is so close to Region Free Unlock :D

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="PelekotansDream"][QUOTE="naval"]

its being devoloped by Treyarch and published by Activision. While they didn't released a pc version for cod3 which they made but they are now releasing a pc version for cod5 . why ? because they made lots of profit on the pc version for cod4

AdrianWerner

Yeah and also lost lots to piracy.

and they are now making a pc version because they like loosing lots of money to piracy , right ?

they aren;t loosing any money. You can't loose something you never had. One of Alliance's main goals is to actualy educate ignorant people who can't graps how good PCgaming is doing, people like you

Ha! I love PC gaming back with my Windows 98 PC, enjoying Deus Ex and Half Life and downloading those nice single player mods, but I ain't a fanboy. I see that the industry has changed a great deal for PC games in a negative way, when I get my new PC I am getting WOW and that is probably all.

And yeah, companies can loose money when they put in time and effort and it don't pay off.

Pff!

I aint seeing console games getting pirated as much as the PC. Sure it will happen, I can see it becoming a big problem just like it is for the PC market, but not at the moment.

PelekotansDream

Propably, but console market has it's own share of problems: insanely fast growing development and marketing costs as well as bigger and bigger used-games problem. PC doesn't have those problems.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

You can provide all the links in the world, but if you think PC gaming is in a healthy state, you're a complete moron.. It's like people watching the weather chanel, when all you have to do is stare out the window. But here's a link. The last one I posted wasn't "valid" apperantly. So here's another one. I can't wait to see the hunchback herms come up with some excuse again that this isn't valid.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007

xsubtownerx

"Though the news doesn't look great, it's worth noting that this evidence isn't exactly conclusive, as the NPD doesn't track digital sales, a portion of the market that's rapidly increasing on PCs. So dry those tears, pumpkin, that big black box under your desk could be more of a chrysalis than coffin."

And GDC is a new source than this. Again, your just failing, drop it.

And thats only U.S ... seriously you must be new here or something, your just regurgertating ( Spelling? ) old garbage thats been debunked time and time again.

Dude, you're so naive. You amuse me. :D

The PC keeps getting the most quality games every year, I think it is you who is naive, and nice once again to show any facts, just your opinion, typical typical lemming, like I said, just drop it, its boring.

360 is well over 2 years old and just broke 17, now that is fail.

People like me?

Ha! I love PC gaming back with my Windows 98 PC, enjoying Deus Ex and Half Life and downloading those nice single player mods, but I ain't a fanboy. I see that the industry has changed a great deal for PC games in a negative way, when I get my new PC I am getting WOW and that is probably all.

And yeah, companies can loose money when they put in time and effort and it don't pay off.

PelekotansDream

Same with me. best days of my life was with my windows 98 PC. Playing the Fallout series, Baldur's Gate series, Diablo.. Star craft.. those awesome PC days are over.

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"] People like me?

Ha! I love PC gaming back with my Windows 98 PC, enjoying Deus Ex and Half Life and downloading those nice single player mods, but I ain't a fanboy. I see that the industry has changed a great deal for PC games in a negative way, when I get my new PC I am getting WOW and that is probably all.

And yeah, companies can loose money when they put in time and effort and it don't pay off.

xsubtownerx

Same with me. best days of my life was with my windows 98 PC. Playing the Fallout series, Baldur's Gate series, Diablo.. Star craft.. those awesome PC days are over.

So what do you play now?

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]

Pff!

I aint seeing console games getting pirated as much as the PC. Sure it will happen, I can see it becoming a big problem just like it is for the PC market, but not at the moment.

AdrianWerner

Propably, but console market has it's own share of problems: insanely fast growing development and marketing costs as well as bigger and bigger used-games problem. PC doesn't have those problems.

also with growing cost for consoles games are becoming shorter and hence the renting of games is also on rise

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

You can provide all the links in the world, but if you think PC gaming is in a healthy state, you're a complete moron.. It's like people watching the weather chanel, when all you have to do is stare out the window. But here's a link. The last one I posted wasn't "valid" apperantly. So here's another one. I can't wait to see the hunchback herms come up with some excuse again that this isn't valid.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007

Meu2k7

"Though the news doesn't look great, it's worth noting that this evidence isn't exactly conclusive, as the NPD doesn't track digital sales, a portion of the market that's rapidly increasing on PCs. So dry those tears, pumpkin, that big black box under your desk could be more of a chrysalis than coffin."

And GDC is a new source than this. Again, your just failing, drop it.

And thats only U.S ... seriously you must be new here or something, your just regurgertating ( Spelling? ) old garbage thats been debunked time and time again.

Dude, you're so naive. You amuse me. :D

The PC keeps getting the most quality games every year, I think it is you who is naive, and nice once again to show any facts, just your opinion, typical typical lemming, like I said, just drop it, its boring.

360 is well over 2 years old and just broke 17, now that is fail.

How am I a lemming? Because I own a 360? Wow. I love your name-calling garbage. Makes you seem that much more creditable..

People like me?

Ha! I love PC gaming back with my Windows 98 PC, enjoying Deus Ex and Half Life and downloading those nice single player mods, but I ain't a fanboy. I see that the industry has changed a great deal for PC games in a negative way, when I get my new PC I am getting WOW and that is probably all.PelekotansDream

Except that PCgaming is bigger, more popular and profitable than ever before. Yeah...such a negative change :D

And yeah, companies can loose money when they put in time and effort and it don't pay off.

PelekotansDream

And while it does happen, it's actualy bigger problem on consoles than on PC. THere is a reason why there are almost no indepedent devs left on console market, it's too risky for them to survive on their own, without publisher's deep pockets to fall back onto when your game flops financialy (and nowadays it's not that rare to see a console game making barely any profit with 1mln sales)

Pff!

I aint seeing console games getting pirated as much as the PC. Sure it will happen, I can see it becoming a big problem just like it is for the PC market, but not at the moment.

PelekotansDream

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]

Pff!

I aint seeing console games getting pirated as much as the PC. Sure it will happen, I can see it becoming a big problem just like it is for the PC market, but not at the moment.

naval

Propably, but console market has it's own share of problems: insanely fast growing development and marketing costs as well as bigger and bigger used-games problem. PC doesn't have those problems.

also with growing cost for consoles games are becoming shorter and hence the renting of games is also on rise

Not to mention that for developers making console games is just well...horribly boring compared to making PCgames.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

You can provide all the links in the world, but if you think PC gaming is in a healthy state, you're a complete moron.. It's like people watching the weather chanel, when all you have to do is stare out the window. But here's a link. The last one I posted wasn't "valid" apperantly. So here's another one. I can't wait to see the hunchback herms come up with some excuse again that this isn't valid.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007

xsubtownerx

"Though the news doesn't look great, it's worth noting that this evidence isn't exactly conclusive, as the NPD doesn't track digital sales, a portion of the market that's rapidly increasing on PCs. So dry those tears, pumpkin, that big black box under your desk could be more of a chrysalis than coffin."

And GDC is a new source than this. Again, your just failing, drop it.

And thats only U.S ... seriously you must be new here or something, your just regurgertating ( Spelling? ) old garbage thats been debunked time and time again.

Dude, you're so naive. You amuse me. :D

The PC keeps getting the most quality games every year, I think it is you who is naive, and nice once again to show any facts, just your opinion, typical typical lemming, like I said, just drop it, its boring.

360 is well over 2 years old and just broke 17, now that is fail.

How am I a lemming? Because I own a 360? Wow. I love your name-calling garbage. Makes you seem that much more creditable..

You feel the need to bash a system with lies that have been debunked, you constantly try to enforce that opinion, your sporting a 360.

You claim the only good PC games are those Typical mainstream list of old old games, please, you are so biased, and you had a little tantrum earlier in this thread about not affording it.

You reak of a 360 fanboy fakeboying. that is a "Lemming", its not Namecalling. once again, excellent rebuttal.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

You can provide all the links in the world, but if you think PC gaming is in a healthy state, you're a complete moron.. It's like people watching the weather chanel, when all you have to do is stare out the window. But here's a link. The last one I posted wasn't "valid" apperantly. So here's another one. I can't wait to see the hunchback herms come up with some excuse again that this isn't valid.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007

Meu2k7

"Though the news doesn't look great, it's worth noting that this evidence isn't exactly conclusive, as the NPD doesn't track digital sales, a portion of the market that's rapidly increasing on PCs. So dry those tears, pumpkin, that big black box under your desk could be more of a chrysalis than coffin."

And GDC is a new source than this. Again, your just failing, drop it.

And thats only U.S ... seriously you must be new here or something, your just regurgertating ( Spelling? ) old garbage thats been debunked time and time again.

Dude, you're so naive. You amuse me. :D

The PC keeps getting the most quality games every year, I think it is you who is naive, and nice once again to show any facts, just your opinion, typical typical lemming, like I said, just drop it, its boring.

360 is well over 2 years old and just broke 17, now that is fail.

How am I a lemming? Because I own a 360? Wow. I love your name-calling garbage. Makes you seem that much more creditable..

You feel the need to bash a system with lies that have been debunked, you constantly try to enforce that opinion, your sporting a 360.

You claim the only good PC games are those Typical mainstream list of old old games, please, you are so biased, and you had a little tantrum earlier in this thread about not affording it.

You reak of a 360 fanboy fakeboying. that is a "Lemming", its not Namecalling. once again, excellent rebuttal.

:lol:

If that isn't name calling I don't know what is. Did I ever mention anything about the 360 being BETTER than PC? No. This debate is about the health of the future of PC gaming. Not "which console is better".

[ This debate is about the health of the future of PC gaming. Not "which console is better".xsubtownerx

'Except that's not the case with any of the devs who's opinions you bring up.

And while it does happen, it's actualy bigger problem on consoles than on PC. THere is a reason why there are almost no indepedent devs left on console market, it's too risky for them to survive on their own, without publisher's deep pockets to fall back onto when your game flops financialy (and nowadays it's not that rare to see a console game making barely any profit with 1mln sales)

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

'Except that's not the case with any of the devs who's opinions you bring up.

And while it does happen, it's actualy bigger problem on consoles than on PC. THere is a reason why there are almost no indepedent devs left on console market, it's too risky for them to survive on their own, without publisher's deep pockets to fall back onto when your game flops financialy (and nowadays it's not that rare to see a console game making barely any profit with 1mln sales)

HuusAsking

While you have royalty fees downloadable games on consoles are great for small companies.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][ This debate is about the health of the future of PC gaming. Not "which console is better".Vandalvideo

Maybe you can help me further understand how it's PC vs Sony vs MS vs PSP vs DS, and not PC vs Consoles (and maybe vs portables). Wich in that case would be 70-30 when, about 15 years ago, the rolls were reversed.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

'Except that's not the case with any of the devs who's opinions you bring up.

And while it does happen, it's actualy bigger problem on consoles than on PC. THere is a reason why there are almost no indepedent devs left on console market, it's too risky for them to survive on their own, without publisher's deep pockets to fall back onto when your game flops financialy (and nowadays it's not that rare to see a console game making barely any profit with 1mln sales)

HuusAsking

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][ This debate is about the health of the future of PC gaming. Not "which console is better".xsubtownerx

Maybe you can help me further understand how it's PC vs Sony vs MS vs PSP vs DS, and not PC vs Consoles (and maybe vs portables). Wich in that case would be 70-30 when, about 15 years ago, the rolls were reversed.

Seriously Microsoft,don't try and infect PC gaming aswell with your shoddy service. Incorporating 360's with PC's is the worst idea ever. We don't want live and we don't want 360 games! No hermit wants to play Halo 3 on PC and pay 5 bucks a month for friends lists! I'm perfectly fine playing BF2 online for free with 64 people thanks.

NOTE: I know none of this stuff has happened yet,but you can see this is what Microsoft is trying to start here. They've already incorporated live into shadowrun and gears pc. Soon they'll port Halo 3, then other componies will join windows live,and eventually we'll be paying monthly to pc game!

stephant_6

then don't use it.

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Seriously Microsoft,don't try and infect PC gaming aswell with your shoddy service. Incorporating 360's with PC's is the worst idea ever. We don't want live and we don't want 360 games! No hermit wants to play Halo 3 on PC and pay 5 bucks a month for friends lists! I'm perfectly fine playing BF2 online for free with 64 people thanks.

NOTE: I know none of this stuff has happened yet,but you can see this is what Microsoft is trying to start here. They've already incorporated live into shadowrun and gears pc. Soon they'll port Halo 3, then other componies will join windows live,and eventually we'll be paying monthly to pc game!

clone01

then don't use it.