MLB 09: The Show 9.0 AAA - Gamespot Review Discussion

[QUOTE="killerfist"]If the game is on multiple platforms, then it should be considered multiplat right? I don't really see the confusion in this. Bread_or_Decide

If the game is on multiple platforms, then it should be considered multiplat right? I don't really see the confusion in this. killerfist

for example see dead rising on 360 and Wii.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="killerfist"]If the game is on multiple platforms, then it should be considered multiplat right? I don't really see the confusion in this. horrowhip

That is NOT how it works.

This is SYSTEM Wars, not Company Wars.

Alan Wake will be exclusive by your logic. As will most PC/360 only titles. Because MS owns Windows and if they only run on Windows then they are technically exclusive to MS as a company...

But we all know that isn't how it works.

[QUOTE="killerfist"]If the game is on multiple platforms, then it should be considered multiplat right? I don't really see the confusion in this. Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="killerfist"]If the game is on multiple platforms, then it should be considered multiplat right? I don't really see the confusion in this. beast667

MS does not own computers. PC is not their brand. Sony does own PS2 and PSP. People are being really silly about this. Bread_or_Decide

can you run 99% of PC games on Mac's or Linux? No. MS pretty much owns the PC gaming space in terms of considering it a "platform."

You are being silly about this because suddenly, all the cows want the AAAE. Even though a year ago, MLB 08: The Show got AA, yet nobody even THOUGHT about arguing it as AAE. Why? BECAUSE IT IS NOT EXCLUSIVE.

Mods should step in and answer this once and for all.

[QUOTE="killerfist"]If the game is on multiple platforms, then it should be considered multiplat right? I don't really see the confusion in this. HAZE-Unit

for example see dead rising on 360 and Wii.

in this case the games play pretty much the same. Some minor differences and graphical differences... But the games themselves are pretty much identical.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="killerfist"]If the game is on multiple platforms, then it should be considered multiplat right? I don't really see the confusion in this. killerfist

So, now that lemmings have found a new argument in this whole questionable exclusivity, does that mean all this "lawlz baseball gaemz" from before was just future damage control? :lol:

Congrats once again cows. You actually have a game I'd like to play.

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Funny if I want to play the show I could dust off my old ps2, yup seems multiplat to me. You do know what that means right? let me tell you just in case you don't you can play it on more than one platform kthnx

Erik_Lensherr

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]MS does not own computers. PC is not their brand. Sony does own PS2 and PSP. People are being really silly about this. horrowhip

can you run 99% of PC games on Mac's or Linux? No. MS pretty much owns the PC gaming space in terms of considering it a "platform."

You are being silly about this because suddenly, all the cows want the AAAE. Even though a year ago, MLB 08: The Show got AA, yet nobody even THOUGHT about arguing it as AAE. Why? BECAUSE IT IS NOT EXCLUSIVE.

Mods should step in and answer this once and for all.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="killerfist"]If the game is on multiple platforms, then it should be considered multiplat right? I don't really see the confusion in this. horrowhip

for example see dead rising on 360 and Wii.

in this case the games play pretty much the same. Some minor differences and graphical differences... But the games themselves are pretty much identical.

Yeah 8.7 compared to 7.3 on IGN. Real identical.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="killerfist"]If the game is on multiple platforms, then it should be considered multiplat right? I don't really see the confusion in this. horrowhip

That is NOT how it works.

This is SYSTEM Wars, not Company Wars.

Alan Wake will be exclusive by your logic. As will most PC/360 only titles. Because MS owns Windows and if they only run on Windows then they are technically exclusive to MS as a company...

But we all know that isn't how it works.

ummmm.. GRAW any one...i thought that was AAAE for the 360 since the PC asnt rated as high....hypocracy much?

So, now that lemmings have found a new argument in this whole questionable exclusivity, does that mean all this "lawlz baseball gaemz" from before was just future damage control? :lol:

Congrats once again cows. You actually have a game I'd like to play.

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Multiplatform refers to consoles owned by other companies. If the same company owns all of them. Its still exclusive. Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="killerfist"] When did that change? I thought we were discussing systems, not companies. I'm starting to get confused after all. killerfist

Whatever. you win. This is hands down the dumbest argument I've seen in a long time. Its just people being stubborn and using semantics to put down another AAA on the PS3. I guess they ran out of things to say about KZ2. Bread_or_Decide

Just so you know... I am a hermit. So you are pulling the WRONG argument against me.

I am just going by being consistent with what happened last year. You went a whole year saying MLB 08: The Show wasn't exclusive. So why all the sudden is MLB09: The Show undeniably exclusive? Because you want to say the PS3 has another AAAE...

But that isn't how it works. Period. End of story.

Just like YOUR weak argument that the "Company" exclusive exists on SYSTEM Wars is wrong. That isn't how it works. Period. End of story. Moderators should step in now.

[QUOTE="killerfist"]If the game is on multiple platforms, then it should be considered multiplat right? I don't really see the confusion in this. Bread_or_Decide

It does not work like this.

If you can play a game without buying/owning a PS3 then its not PS3 exclusive.

There is no thing like sony exclusive. Otherwise there are too many terms people will start coining: Console Exclusive, 360/PC exclusive, MS exclusive, Sony exclusive, PS3 controller exclusive, HDTV exclusive, Linux exclusive, Mouse exclusive...I know it doesnt make sense.

ummmm.. GRAW any one...i thought that was AAAE for the 360 since the PC asnt rated as high....hypocracy much?

hyperboy152000

GRAW is massively different... One version was a TPS, one was a FPS. Both had different storylines. Mechanically, they were completely different games.

MLB 09: The Show is pretty much the same across all platforms. Sure the PS2 limits the tech of the game, but the gameplay isn't changed. The game is still the same...

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]

ummmm.. GRAW any one...i thought that was AAAE for the 360 since the PC asnt rated as high....hypocracy much?

horrowhip

GRAW is massively different... One version was a TPS, one was a FPS. Both had different storylines. Mechanically, they were completely different games.

MLB 09: The Show is pretty much the same across all platforms. Sure the PS2 limits the tech of the game, but the gameplay isn't changed. The game is still the same...

[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

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IGN While the Show on the PS2 is still an engaging and enjoyable game, it's definitely been overshadowed by the other versions on Sony's other systems. The visuals are getting a bit worn, and some of the changes feel like they weaken elements of the game, like those made to the fielding.

"However, with all of the adjustments to the fielding come a number of problems which hampers play. For one thing, it appears to allow for a lot more errors in the PS2 version"

"Another issue is the fact that fielding can be quite difficult because unlike the PS3 version of the game, there's no halo around hit balls"

"Last year, I mentioned that The Show on the PS2 is starting to show its age, and this year is no different. In fact, many of the same issues stand out"

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dk_2007

I agree that you have good points. Nevertheless my points below:

You are saying that above things make it a vastly different game? In my opionion, I think that different visuals dont count otherwise many games on PC will automatically become exclusive. Moreover, regarding visuals getting worn is a relative term. After playing Crysis many games look like that their visuals are getting a bit worn.

Now different gameplay, story and plot make a game different. Here, there is no story, no plot so lets see the points regarding gameplay:

Do you think that "no halo around hit balls" make it vastly different? Or there are some more elements?

Those minor changes by themselves are not what makes it vastly different. Its when you take all that is wrong with the PS2 version into account that things like that stand out.

The controls are harder/ less intuitive on the PS2 small gameplay changes like the halo makes it harder to field, you can check swing much easier thus allowing you to get an edge in the PS2 version, Online is no where near as good, Obviously the presentation isn't anywhere near the level of the PS3 version.

Its much akin to Dead Rising and GRAW like I said. Those gameplay, graphical differences are what makes them different and I think we can all agree that when it comes to games those two are the most important.

And to Nagidar In the PC version, do I still play as a Advanced American Soldier in Mexico shooting at Mexican Terrorists in different locales in and around Mexico City?

If so, then I'm pretty sure the SUBSTANCE is the same just as the substance is the same in Dead Rising and how its the SAME in MLB 09 The Show.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Whatever. you win. This is hands down the dumbest argument I've seen in a long time. Its just people being stubborn and using semantics to put down another AAA on the PS3. I guess they ran out of things to say about KZ2. horrowhip

Just so you know... I am a hermit. So you are pulling the WRONG argument against me.

I am just going by being consistent with what happened last year. You went a whole year saying MLB 08: The Show wasn't exclusive. So why all the sudden is MLB09: The Show undeniably exclusive? Because you want to say the PS3 has another AAAE...

But that isn't how it works. Period. End of story.

Just like YOUR weak argument that the "Company" exclusive exists on SYSTEM Wars is wrong. That isn't how it works. Period. End of story. Moderators should step in now.

Uh, because AA's are irrelevant here?

You know TECHNICALLY, since Gamespot ONLY reviewed the PS3 version and it is the ONLY version on GAMESPOT to get a AAA, according to GAMESPOT it IS a AAAE. Sorta the same way since Gamespot didn't review Lost and the Damned it can't be considered in the 360s corner. Gamespot didn't review the PS2 or PSP version, ONLY the PS3 version, so it IS a AAAE according to Gamespot. (throws the open can of worms on the floor and watches them wriggle around).Xalaten

No, Gamespot only reviewed the PS3 version, but that doesn't mean the PS2/PSP versions disappared. From what I seen MLB: 09 The Show is pretty much the same on the PS2 and PS3. Both are baseball games. I may not know that much about Baseball (don't really watch it, except when the Rays made their run to the World Serise). But they should only really have graphical stuff different, and maybe afew other extra stuff too.

But if that is the case then GTA 4 should count as an AAAAE for the 360. Because it has Lost and the Danmed. Which isn't an addon or another game to Gamespot, just an extra that costs more money, like the PS3 MLB 09: The Show.

Yeah 8.7 compared to 7.3 on IGN. Real identical.

butteater86

Did I say equal?

No, the PS2 version is worse. But you can get the same GAME(gameplay) on the PS2. The differences were TECHNICAL differences.

Worse graphics, worse animation, worse online connection, AI bugs, collision detection issues, etc.

But the gameplay and overall feature set is pretty much the same.

[QUOTE="butteater86"]Yeah 8.7 compared to 7.3 on IGN. Real identical.

horrowhip

Did I say equal?

No, the PS2 version is worse. But you can get the same GAME(gameplay) on the PS2. The differences were TECHNICAL differences.

Worse graphics, worse animation, worse online connection, AI bugs, collision detection issues, etc.

But the gameplay and overall feature set is pretty much the same.

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]You know TECHNICALLY, since Gamespot ONLY reviewed the PS3 version and it is the ONLY version on GAMESPOT to get a AAA, according to GAMESPOT it IS a AAAE. Sorta the same way since Gamespot didn't review Lost and the Damned it can't be considered in the 360s corner. Gamespot didn't review the PS2 or PSP version, ONLY the PS3 version, so it IS a AAAE according to Gamespot. (throws the open can of worms on the floor and watches them wriggle around).Chaos_HL21

No, Gamespot only reviewed the PS3 version, but that doesn't mean the PS2/PSP versions disappared. From what I seen MLB: 09 The Show is pretty much the same on the PS2 and PS3. Both are baseball games. I may not know that much about Baseball (don't really watch it, except when the Rays made their run to the World Serise). But they should only really have graphical stuff different, and maybe afew other extra stuff too.

But if that is the case then GTA 4 should count as an AAAAE for the 360. Because it has Lost and the Danmed. Which isn't an addon or another game to Gamespot, just an extra that costs more money, like the PS3 MLB 09: The Show.

Uh, because AA's are irrelevant here?

butteater86

Bull****

Stop trying to flip-flop for your own advantage. The game IS NOT exclusive. If it WAS to be considered exclusive you should have fought to have it considered exclusive LAST YEAR, when you didn't have as much opposition.

You guys allowed MLB 08: The Show to sit as a multiplat. Therefore, MLB 09: The Show is multiplat. Because it is pretty much a refinementof last years game. And BOTH versions(PS3 and PS2) got the same refinements to the gameplay...

So, they are the same game. Minus technical issues.

What is funny is let's say in a hypothetical situation that for 2010 Sony only releases a PS3 version because they stop making games on the PS2, and the PSP version is taking the year off to develop the game the next year for the PSP2.

I guarentee that there will be lemmings saying "Well I know it is only on the PS3, but sports games are all alike and are just roster updates so if I want to play 2010, I can just pop 09 in my PS2 and play the same game therefore it isn't exclusive."

[QUOTE="butteater86"]Yeah 8.7 compared to 7.3 on IGN. Real identical.

horrowhip

Did I say equal?

No, the PS2 version is worse. But you can get the same GAME(gameplay) on the PS2. The differences were TECHNICAL differences.

Worse graphics, worse animation, worse online connection, AI bugs, collision detection issues, etc.

But the gameplay and overall feature set is pretty much the same.

That's not true, the PS2 version is at 78 on Metacritic PS3 is at 89, you think the diference is because of graphics alone? Most reviews say the PS2 version looks great for a PS2 game. The game is diferent.Eddie-Vedder

The PS2 version has massive technical issues.

It is buggy, it looks worse than the PS3 version, it has terrible multiplayer(due to lag), the collision detection is broken, the AI is screwed...

The game is a mess on the PS2.

But at the same time it is the SAME GAME.

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]You know TECHNICALLY, since Gamespot ONLY reviewed the PS3 version and it is the ONLY version on GAMESPOT to get a AAA, according to GAMESPOT it IS a AAAE. Sorta the same way since Gamespot didn't review Lost and the Damned it can't be considered in the 360s corner. Gamespot didn't review the PS2 or PSP version, ONLY the PS3 version, so it IS a AAAE according to Gamespot. (throws the open can of worms on the floor and watches them wriggle around).Chaos_HL21

No, Gamespot only reviewed the PS3 version, but that doesn't mean the PS2/PSP versions disappared. From what I seen MLB: 09 The Show is pretty much the same on the PS2 and PS3. Both are baseball games. I may not know that much about Baseball (don't really watch it, except when the Rays made their run to the World Serise). But they should only really have graphical stuff different, and maybe afew other extra stuff too.

But if that is the case then GTA 4 should count as an AAAAE for the 360. Because it has Lost and the Danmed. Which isn't an addon or another game to Gamespot, just an extra that costs more money, like the PS3 MLB 09: The Show.

In a sports game that's major, the diference in scores speak for themselves.Eddie-Vedder

No a major difference in a sports game would be the PS2 version not having Road to the Show. Or the PS2 version having different control mechanics(say it used the analog stick instead of the buttons).

But technical issues hardly make it a different game.

Because if it did, GTA4 would be a AAAE PC game. Because it is BROKEN on the PC.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]You know TECHNICALLY, since Gamespot ONLY reviewed the PS3 version and it is the ONLY version on GAMESPOT to get a AAA, according to GAMESPOT it IS a AAAE. Sorta the same way since Gamespot didn't review Lost and the Damned it can't be considered in the 360s corner. Gamespot didn't review the PS2 or PSP version, ONLY the PS3 version, so it IS a AAAE according to Gamespot. (throws the open can of worms on the floor and watches them wriggle around).Xalaten

No, Gamespot only reviewed the PS3 version, but that doesn't mean the PS2/PSP versions disappared. From what I seen MLB: 09 The Show is pretty much the same on the PS2 and PS3. Both are baseball games. I may not know that much about Baseball (don't really watch it, except when the Rays made their run to the World Serise). But they should only really have graphical stuff different, and maybe afew other extra stuff too.

But if that is the case then GTA 4 should count as an AAAAE for the 360. Because it has Lost and the Danmed. Which isn't an addon or another game to Gamespot, just an extra that costs more money, like the PS3 MLB 09: The Show.

At the same time you can't consider something exclusive simply because the other platforms didn't get a review...

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]That's not true, the PS2 version is at 78 on Metacritic PS3 is at 89, you think the diference is because of graphics alone? Most reviews say the PS2 version looks great for a PS2 game. The game is diferent.horrowhip

The PS2 version has massive technical issues.

It is buggy, it looks worse than the PS3 version, it has terrible multiplayer(due to lag), the collision detection is broken, the AI is screwed...

The game is a mess on the PS2.

But at the same time it is the SAME GAME.

Congrats to the developers! Last year's MLB 08 was a stellar game, its hard to imagine how they improved on it. PS I bought the game with KZ2 last week and have yet to start playing. Guess I'll play it tonight.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

No, Gamespot only reviewed the PS3 version, but that doesn't mean the PS2/PSP versions disappared. From what I seen MLB: 09 The Show is pretty much the same on the PS2 and PS3. Both are baseball games. I may not know that much about Baseball (don't really watch it, except when the Rays made their run to the World Serise). But they should only really have graphical stuff different, and maybe afew other extra stuff too.

But if that is the case then GTA 4 should count as an AAAAE for the 360. Because it has Lost and the Danmed. Which isn't an addon or another game to Gamespot, just an extra that costs more money, like the PS3 MLB 09: The Show.

Eddie-Vedder

But the question is if you are not into baseball would it matter. I mean sure it could be different if you are into how baseball works, but someone who doesn't know that much about baseball would it matter to them?

With GRAW for the 360 vs. the PC you can clearly tell they are different, one is in 3rd person, and the other is in first person, and the levels are different. With Dead Rising on the Wii, alot of the stuff had been taken out. It is clear that they are not the same game.

But with baseball, it is kinda the same, they can't really change the rules, or teams (maybe have to have unnamed players when one could not be on the team), But for the most part it is baseball.

EDIT:

Argument - Lemmings count GRAW 1 as an exclusive becuase its a TPS while the PC Version is an FPS. MLB 09 The Show should count as a PS3 exclusive because its exclusive to this generation. PC is never in 1 Generation, its in every Generation. Nonstop-Madness

Yeah the PC does not have generations, but PC/360 games are not exclusive. Using that logic would mean that A good amount of PC/360 games would become exclusive.

Argument - Lemmings count GRAW 1 as an exclusive becuase its a TPS while the PC Version is an FPS. MLB 09 The Show should count as a PS3 exclusive because its exclusive to this generation. PC is never in 1 Generation, its in every Generation. Nonstop-Madness

if cows want to support the whole 10 year cycle thing they need to accept that if a game gets released on a next gen platform but also on the previous gen platform, and has the same gameplay... Well, then the game is not exclusive.

We need an official ruling on this situation, from an unbiased staff member. Thata way this madness can end. Also a temporary sticky would be niceKilIzone3

Your contracdicting yourself, just because you play baseball in both games doesn't make it the same. You just said "the game is a mess on the PS2" the game is AAA on the PS3, not the same experience. Just like Dead Rising.Eddie-Vedder

IT IS THE SAME GAME. Technical issues completely break it, but it PLAYS THE SAME.

Dead Rising Wii plays rather differently than the 360 version. But if you really wanted to push it, you could probably revoke Dead Rising as a 360 exclusive. I would pretty much support it. Wanna know why? Because Dead Rising Wii is largely the same game, only toned down due to technical reasons.

Best baseball game on next gen consoles, and only on PS3.

Hitman533

Awesome score:D... Too bad I hate Baseball...