More details on Halo 3's FORGE, You wanted innovation? YOU GOT IT!

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Full credit goes to TROJANman077 on the bungie.net forums. this is an exact copy of his post. Sorry if old.

Confusion laid to rest
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Ok I understand there is some confusion to the subject as to exactly where I'm getting this information. Basically to sum it all up, there are several people on the interwebz who have access to the upcoming September issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly (EGM) magazine. Reading the scans will get you the information I have nicely posted in this very forum.

And DO NOT ASK FOR SKANS or I'll call in the Ninjas and they will melt your face with their shiney Ninja Stars.


UPDATE: After Reading the Forge details
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After reading the details, let's start coming up with awesome or even strange scenarios that could be played out in the Forge gameplay mode. Beit implimentations in the Machina community or just videos and setups where people play out RTS ****games. Remember, you can modify human spawns, weapon spawns, vehicle spawns, objective locations, ammo counts in weapons, ect. Just rack up all the wierd crap that's been sitting in your mind, or when you were sitting there hitting a box in Halo 2 when you wished you could just pick it up and barricade the door... Halo Nation, unite. BRAINSTORM!

QUESTIONS FOR BUNGIE
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> Can we save our setup once we finish dropping in all the stuff we want?

> Is saved films enabled during the whole Forge mode?

Got a question? You post it and I'll make sure it gets put up on my main post. That way it doesn't get lost in all the mess of text.

FORGE Details
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The following was pulled from a digg post because it's more organized than what I could type up.
I also have a wrapped up version of the EGM magazine info on my site, www.trojantourneys.com

>Map editor (you're not making your own maps though)
> Does not support geometry creation, or texture modification
> Allows you to remove and place any items or vehicles or spawn points or objectives, etc... anywhere on the existing maps
> For things like weapons you can tweak their respawn timer and ammo count and other minor things
> You can have multiple people work in the Forge editor over Xbox Live!
> You can also dynamically switch from creation mode to playing mode and run around in the game.
> If you are "playing" in Forge and have other players in it, they can still change things! For instance, if you have a friend making a pyramid of fusion cores, you can return to "play" mode and lob a grenade in to destroy all his work!
> Make your own kind of games in forge. Bungie gives the example of grab the mongoose. One player rides a mongoose while everyone else tries to grab it out from under him by removing it in Forge! Another is like a magic carpet ride where one player will stand on a object and a forge monitor will drag it along making the player ride it through the air.
> Finally Bungie talked about how you can kind of make it into a real-time strategy game (RTS) where you set up "teams" where each team has a monitor creating items for his team to use.

My writings:
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Wow, this mode is better than a map maker. I mean, just to begin about thinking of all of the things you and your friends could do just to mess with each other is just mind-boggling.

And to set it up like an RTS is just scratching the surface. If your team was fighting the other enemy you could spawn a -blam!--ton of boxes and crates to block all incoming gunfire. Or even better spawn a couple of tanks by their location, giving your team the upper hand. OMG'z I'm starting to get all getty like a little school girl just thinking of all the scenarios that will be played out once I get my hands on the game.

For any of you who are familiar with Little Big Planet for the PLAYSTATION 3, I'd look out. Because adding very similar elements to a competitive FPS area is just outrageously genius.

Halo 3's Forge should stop alot of the crappy modding. Why, because instead of using Action Replay to spawn several tanks, they can just enter Forge mode and just drop some in.

Awesome Ideas for Forge
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Posted by: TheFightingFish
How about this for a custom game type using Forge? We'll call it "Steal the Bacon" (did anyone else play that game in grade school?).

Pick a map that is mid to large sized and fairly flat and place a large cache of the power weapons (laser, sniper, ect...) and equipment (bubble, drainer) in the center. For starting locations start each team (or player in FFA) on one of the far edges of the map and start them with only a single short range weapon (perhaps the SMG). But using Forge spawn a Mongoose directly in front of each player's spawn point. Then as soon as the round starts every player will have to get on their Mongoose and race as fast as they can to pick up one of the power weapons from the cache in the middle. I have to imagine that the collision of 8-10 Mongeese all racing to get to the same spot on the map as fast as they can would be pretty fun to watch. And since everyone starts out with just an SMG they are pretty much required to get to the center as fast as they can if they want a chance to win.

Sure it would be unbalenced a mode as all get out...but it sure would be fun. Just set the round timer to a really short limit so that you get to do the initial crash and race for the power weapons as often as possible.

~TheFightingFish


"too...tired..too.......reply to long well thought out....awesome idea.
I'm tired....been up too long!
* falls asleep*

Posted by: Seravie
-Airstrikes involving fusion cores...... lots and lots of them.
RvB episode???
-So hows the weather?
-Its raining fusion cores and warthogs...
-I'm serious... whats it like....
-Look up man look up *runs away*
-aww crap

That's exactly (sorta) what I was thinking when I thought about messing with my friends in my lobby.
Just having them dodge tanks and other random crap as stuff was just falling from the sky.

Posted by: Uconn4552
Some things I thought of:

-paintball courses
-giant forts made of boxes for the "Infection" gametype everyone wants
-race tracks
-6+ player tank battles
-Sort of a "hostage" mode where on Elite/Spartan is trapped by boxes/fusion cores/whatever and the other team has to rescue



From the words of Borat- "very nice". I forgot to mention that Infection was mentioned/confirmed in the leaked scans.

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I'm not sure if word on this is official so...dont shoot the messenger. :)

Link to original post.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=11836477&postRepeater1-p=1

enjoy and discuss...the possibilities.

=)

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dont put best thing to hit an FPS, it will turn the thread into a halo bash thread.

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dont put best thing to hit an FPS, it will turn the thread into a halo bash thread.

-Sora

noted.

=)

that was the title the original poster used so i wanted to replicate it, but this is a different forum, youre probably right.

EDIT: Better?

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Its cool. Like some other poster said not as deep as Garry's Mod and not really a map editor as well but something thats bound to be something successful either way.
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#5 -Sora
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[QUOTE="-Sora"]

dont put best thing to hit an FPS, it will turn the thread into a halo bash thread.

DonPerian

noted.

=)

that was the title the original poster used so i wanted to replicate it, but this is a different forum, youre probably right.

EDIT: Better?

Yup :D, it sounds great, looks like a lot of fun. Itll add a lot of replay Value imo.

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----The day Halo 3 is released...find KcMx177 on XBL, i will make a Magic Carpet Game! lol who's with me??

.....eh n/m, i'll probably be playing campaign.....

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----The day Halo 3 is released...find KcMx177 on XBL, i will make a Magic Carpet Game! lol who's with me??kcm_117

im down.

i wonder if the game will lag if we fill the whole valhalla canyon with fusion cores and blow it up

*thinks a lot*

...probably.

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[QUOTE="kcm_117"]----The day Halo 3 is released...find KcMx177 on XBL, i will make a Magic Carpet Game! lol who's with me??DonPerian

i down.

i wonder if the game will lag if we fill the whole valhalla canyon with fusion cores and blow it up

*thinks a lot*

...probably.

ok i'll spawn a brute chopper, and you fly me around in it kk? lol

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sounds really cool... That RTS thing sound pretty interesting..
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#10 DonPerian
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[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

[QUOTE="kcm_117"]----The day Halo 3 is released...find KcMx177 on XBL, i will make a Magic Carpet Game! lol who's with me??kcm_117

i down.

i wonder if the game will lag if we fill the whole valhalla canyon with fusion cores and blow it up

*thinks a lot*

...probably.

ok i'll spawn a brute chopper, and you fly me around in it kk? lol

just as long as you let me launch fusion cores at you. :D

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#11 wolverine4262
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Forge is something Ill do after I finish the fight...
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#12 cheezisgoooood
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If real, sounds like the ultimate online experience on Live. Being able to edit the map while people are playing? Genius.
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SWEEEEEEET. TCHBO BY HALO AGAIN
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#16 DonPerian
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SWEEEEEEET. TCHBO BY HALO AGAINshadow8585

i wouldn't go out saying that just yet.

we're not sure if this is official yet.

and even if it is, its our gain and not their loss, so I don't see how they got "owned"

unless ofcourse the argument of innovation comes up...which like R-Dot-Yung said, it's debatable and to some, could not be really innovative. Sounds fun as hell though!

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So wait, it's basically Gary's Mod?
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Bring on the all new way to really PISS PEOPLE OFF.

"Hey dood whatz yo doin'?"

"Creating my masterpiece on Forge"

"kk -starts tearing up the place-"

"OMG WTFBBQSAUCE!!!!!"

"llamallamallamaLOLZ"

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So wait, it's basically Gary's Mod?TyrantDragon55

Yeah. It's got a better name though.

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[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]So wait, it's basically Gary's Mod?FrozenLiquid

Yeah. It's got a better name though.

Works for me, I haven't played Gary's mod in a while since they now charge for it.

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It's not like Gary's Mod. Gary's mod, you could have nuke races and have arm-flailing G-Man with Thriller music on.

Can't do that in this.

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It's not like Gary's Mod. Gary's mod, you could have nuke races and have arm-flailing G-Man with Thriller music on.

Can't do that in this.

NobuoMusicMaker

In any case, if you didn't have Michael Jackson music blasting on your sound system everyday that's epic FAIL.

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It's not like Gary's Mod. Gary's mod, you could have nuke races and have arm-flailing G-Man with Thriller music on.

Can't do that in this.

NobuoMusicMaker

Replace nuke with fusion cores/any type of grenade and replace arm flailing G Man with arm flailing MC when dead and you basically got Gary's Mod.

As for the Thriller music....custom soundtracks rule.

=)

P.S. - 1000th post. yay! :D

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#24 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]So wait, it's basically Gary's Mod?TyrantDragon55

Yeah. It's got a better name though.

Works for me, I haven't played Gary's mod in a while since they now charge for it.

:lol:

Don't act like you've never torrented before :P

No seriously, support Valve.

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[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

It's not like Gary's Mod. Gary's mod, you could have nuke races and have arm-flailing G-Man with Thriller music on.

Can't do that in this.

DonPerian

Replace nuke with fusion cores/any type of grenade and replace arm flailing G Man with arm flailing MC when dead and you basically got Gary's Mod.

As for the Thriller music....soundtracks.

=)

Grenade =/= Nuke.

Gmod Nuke Video

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Innovation? Hardly. A good addition? Yes.
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Sounds very cool, but dont overhype it, its not "omg teh innovation", its just a really good featureR-Dot-Yung
Indeed.
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[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

[QUOTE="kcm_117"]----The day Halo 3 is released...find KcMx177 on XBL, i will make a Magic Carpet Game! lol who's with me??kcm_117

i down.

i wonder if the game will lag if we fill the whole valhalla canyon with fusion cores and blow it up

*thinks a lot*

...probably.

ok i'll spawn a brute chopper, and you fly me around in it kk? lol

im down...add me now if you 2 wish
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Innovation? Hardly. A good addition? Yes.foxhound_fox

Agreed. It's not really an innovation since GM, but yeah.

Let's not act like this is not going to give Halo 3 a better score. This sounds like its heavily integrated into the game.

BTW, Optimus Prime is way cooler than Megatron. I don't know how they made an all good guy one helluva bada**.

And Starscream's the best Decepticon ;)

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[QUOTE="DonPerian"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

It's not like Gary's Mod. Gary's mod, you could have nuke races and have arm-flailing G-Man with Thriller music on.

Can't do that in this.

NobuoMusicMaker

Replace nuke with fusion cores/any type of grenade and replace arm flailing G Man with arm flailing MC when dead and you basically got Gary's Mod.

As for the Thriller music....soundtracks.

=)

Grenade =/= Nuke.

Gmod Nuke Video

Ok, you got that one.

Still, 2/3.

I would say that's like Gary's Mod....

;)

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Forge is like the custom game option, but in real-time, plus it allows actual manipulation of objects.... THis is really cool
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Innovation? Hardly. A good addition? Yes.FrozenLiquid

Agreed. It's not really an innovation since GM, but yeah.

Let's not act like this is not going to give Halo 3 a better score. This sounds like its heavily integrated into the game.

BTW, Optimus Prime is way cooler than Megatron. I don't know how they made an all good guy one helluva bada**.

And Starscream's the best Decepticon ;)

*SPOILER*

yay, hes the only one that servives.... Starscream rawks!

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Personally, I wouldn't call it an innovation. However, it does drastically innovate the customization in a game that is not soley based on modding (e.g Gary's Mod.)

IF TRUE, I guess this was the customization they were talking about...

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Agreed. It's not really an innovation since GM, but yeah.

Let's not act like this is not going to give Halo 3 a better score. This sounds like its heavily integrated into the game.

BTW, Optimus Prime is way cooler than Megatron. I don't know how they made an all good guy one helluva bada**.

And Starscream's the best Decepticon ;)

FrozenLiquid


Soundwave >>> Starscream

He does all the work. :P

Prime is awesome though. Megatron is hilarious... at least... in the G1 cartoons.
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It's Far Cry: Instincts all over again.
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#36 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Innovation? Hardly. A good addition? Yes.wolverine4262

Agreed. It's not really an innovation since GM, but yeah.

Let's not act like this is not going to give Halo 3 a better score. This sounds like its heavily integrated into the game.

BTW, Optimus Prime is way cooler than Megatron. I don't know how they made an all good guy one helluva bada**.

And Starscream's the best Decepticon ;)

*SPOILER*

yay, hes the only one that servives.... Starscream rawks!

SPOILER

Barricade does as well. He clearly is not seen in the last final battle.

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Bring on the all new way to really PISS PEOPLE OFF.

"Hey dood whatz yo doin'?"

"Creating my masterpiece on Forge"

"kk -starts tearing up the place-"

"OMG WTFBBQSAUCE!!!!!"

"llamallamallamaLOLZ"

FrozenLiquid

lol ill be setting all forge parties to invite only.....

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#38 foxhound_fox
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Personally, I wouldn't call it an innovation. However, it does drastically innovate the customization in a game that is not soley based on modding (e.g Gary's Mod.)

IF TRUE, I guess this was the customization they were talking about...

DonPerian


Ever used an SDK on a PC game? One that comes with the game?

All three Timesplitters had full map editors. This Forge mode is not innovative in any way. It continues to add what Halo does best, bringing the best of PC games from years ago onto consoles.
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Awesome, this sounds very very promising, I cannot wait to get my hands on it.
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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Innovation? Hardly. A good addition? Yes.FrozenLiquid

Agreed. It's not really an innovation since GM, but yeah.

Let's not act like this is not going to give Halo 3 a better score. This sounds like its heavily integrated into the game.

BTW, Optimus Prime is way cooler than Megatron. I don't know how they made an all good guy one helluva bada**.

And Starscream's the best Decepticon ;)

*SPOILER*

yay, hes the only one that servives.... Starscream rawks!

SPOILER

Barricade does as well. He clearly is not seen in the last final battle.

"To Punish and Enslave"..... I never noticed that... good catch! I even saw the movie twice! I only caught the Starscream ending after the second time as well...
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well is old.and there was a big ass discussion about the gravity hammer and the crowbar that was funny

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#42 DonPerian
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[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

Personally, I wouldn't call it an innovation. However, it does drastically innovate the customization in a game that is not soley based on modding (e.g Gary's Mod.)

IF TRUE, I guess this was the customization they were talking about...

foxhound_fox



Ever used an SDK on a PC game? One that comes with the game?

All three Timesplitters had full map editors. This Forge mode is not innovative in any way. It continues to add what Halo does best, bringing the best of PC games from years ago onto consoles.

Now, I'm not trying to discount PC's here, but computers are in a different league than consoles. They still compete amongst them, but this kind of customization, to my knowledge, has not been done on a console before, or at least, to this extent...

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

Personally, I wouldn't call it an innovation. However, it does drastically innovate the customization in a game that is not soley based on modding (e.g Gary's Mod.)

IF TRUE, I guess this was the customization they were talking about...

foxhound_fox


Ever used an SDK on a PC game? One that comes with the game?

All three Timesplitters had full map editors. This Forge mode is not innovative in any way. It continues to add what Halo does best, bringing the best of PC games from years ago onto consoles.

Why do you have to hate on it? Would you rather Bungie didnt do it at all?!
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#44 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="DonPerian"]

Personally, I wouldn't call it an innovation. However, it does drastically innovate the customization in a game that is not soley based on modding (e.g Gary's Mod.)

IF TRUE, I guess this was the customization they were talking about...

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Ever used an SDK on a PC game? One that comes with the game?

All three Timesplitters had full map editors. This Forge mode is not innovative in any way. It continues to add what Halo does best, bringing the best of PC games from years ago onto consoles.

All three Timesplitters didn't have map editors like this.

And I haven't seen many PC games that let you fool around with other people in the middle of a map editing creation.

Then again, I don't dabble much in mod editting. Just playing them.

Oh, and it almost sounded like you discriminated the whole Halo trilogy, including Halo CE for forever being behind the times.

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#45 wolverine4262
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="DonPerian"]

Personally, I wouldn't call it an innovation. However, it does drastically innovate the customization in a game that is not soley based on modding (e.g Gary's Mod.)

IF TRUE, I guess this was the customization they were talking about...

FrozenLiquid



Ever used an SDK on a PC game? One that comes with the game?

All three Timesplitters had full map editors. This Forge mode is not innovative in any way. It continues to add what Halo does best, bringing the best of PC games from years ago onto consoles.

All three Timesplitters didn't have map editors like this.

And I haven't seen many PC games that let you fool around with other people in the middle of a map editing creation.

Then again, I don't dabble much in mod editting. Just playing them.

Oh, and it almost sounded like you discriminated the whole Halo trilogy, including Halo CE for forever being behind the times.

I really dont want to get my rabbid fanboy going....
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#46 osirisomeomi
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It does add depth to the Halo multiplayer. It's too bad that you can't do any major modifications, but tweaking the maps will be fun for gamers.
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#47 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="DonPerian"]

Personally, I wouldn't call it an innovation. However, it does drastically innovate the customization in a game that is not soley based on modding (e.g Gary's Mod.)

IF TRUE, I guess this was the customization they were talking about...

wolverine4262


Ever used an SDK on a PC game? One that comes with the game?

All three Timesplitters had full map editors. This Forge mode is not innovative in any way. It continues to add what Halo does best, bringing the best of PC games from years ago onto consoles.

Why do you have to hate on it? Would you rather Bungie didnt do it at all?!

Dang man, I would rather them work on the 4 player online co-op.
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#48 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="DonPerian"]

Personally, I wouldn't call it an innovation. However, it does drastically innovate the customization in a game that is not soley based on modding (e.g Gary's Mod.)

IF TRUE, I guess this was the customization they were talking about...

smokeydabear076



Ever used an SDK on a PC game? One that comes with the game?

All three Timesplitters had full map editors. This Forge mode is not innovative in any way. It continues to add what Halo does best, bringing the best of PC games from years ago onto consoles.

Why do you have to hate on it? Would you rather Bungie didnt do it at all?!

Dang man, I would rather them work on the 4 player online co-op.

True I guess. I mean, are they trying to implent just 2 player co-op online, or the whole 4 player shebang? Hmm....

I'm guessing what's happening in the campaign is just so much that it's hard to keep the netcode running smooth. I guess it was easy on Gears because there was next to nothing happening on screen.

Hey smokey, do you know if I need anything other thing to use my 360 wireless controller on my PC? Does it need a wireless receiver or something?

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#49 OpticalCanine
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I agree its a great addition. i wonder what else they have up theyre sleeve.
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#50 foxhound_fox
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All three Timesplitters didn't have map editors like this.

Oh, and it almost sounded like you discriminated the whole Halo trilogy, including Halo CE for forever being behind the times.FrozenLiquid

Of course they didn't but at least they had them. They also added nearly infinite replay value to the games.

I didn't "discriminate" at all. That is what Halo does best. It took everything that was "good" in all previous shooters and stuffed it into one package on consoles.

Why do you have to hate on it? Would you rather Bungie didnt do it at all?!wolverine4262

I have never figured out why I dislike Halo... I just do. I wish I could enjoy it though. I would rather Bungie come up with something new and awesome once again. Like Marathon and Myth.