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http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=3666&p=1

To get to the benchmarks, just scroll down and click on the "Article Index" dropdown.

The benchmarks tell the story of why Windows 7 is a waste, at least at this point in time. It's just a shame that Microsoft could not have improved on Vista, because Vista either outperforms (or is on par with) Windows 7 on most of the benchmarks. All Windows 7 is is a piece of hype (place whatever word you choose in place of hype).

And just for laughs, Lil Wayne has even bashed Microsoft and Windows Vista in one of his latest songs. The lyrics are: "I leave the pu**y Microsoft like Windows Vista." Skip to 3:14 to hear it for yourself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3op9t0aBvg

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Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it.
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For gaming it's not going to really bring anything new. Apart from utilizing less memory. Over time though, I think it could be made to rival XP, given the right updates 8)

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#4 kidcool189
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Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. Tjeremiah1988
agreed...windows 7 isnt supposed to be some kind video card upgrade where you get magically significant game performance, especially speaking of games that came out years ago
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Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. Tjeremiah1988

How is the UI? I wanted to try the beta, but didn't want to install it on my gaming rig.

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#6 ispyamoose
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For gaming it's not going to really bring anything new. Apart from utilizing less memory. Over time though, I think it could be made to rival XP, given the right updates 8)

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I don't believe that Windows 7 will ever rival XP on memory usage (either RAM or hard drive space). That is simply because Windows Vista/7 utilize different technologies than XP ever did/will. Apparently Microsoft seems to think that users like 50+ processes running at any given moment. Since most users may not be too technically savvy, I doubt that many of those people have ever heard of the services portion of Administrative tools or even msconfig.
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#7 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. kidcool189
agreed...windows 7 isnt supposed to be some kind video card upgrade where you get magically significant game performance, especially speaking of games that came out years ago

Even games of this year they have the same performance... comon, Vista and Win7 have the same gaming performance as of today.

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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. lundy86_4

How is the UI? I wanted to try the beta, but didn't want to install it on my gaming rig.

its cleaner and smoother than Vista. But if you had Vista, it would take you awhile to notice much difference to the UI. One that obviously stands out the most is the improved taskbar. Other than that, overall its nice looking.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

For gaming it's not going to really bring anything new. Apart from utilizing less memory. Over time though, I think it could be made to rival XP, given the right updates 8)

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I don't believe that Windows 7 will ever rival XP on memory usage (either RAM or hard drive space). That is simply because Windows Vista/7 utilize different technologies than XP ever did/will. Apparently Microsoft seems to think that users like 50+ processes running at any given moment. Since most users may not be too technically savvy, I doubt that many of those people have ever heard of the services portion of Administrative tools or even msconfig.

Sorry, I didn't mean in terms of memory usage. Considering our increasing number of RAM that becomes standard, I doubt we'll find an OS to use as little as XP again any time soon.

Most people I know can barely use Windows, it becomes painful when I have to explain even the simplest task.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. Tjeremiah1988

How is the UI? I wanted to try the beta, but didn't want to install it on my gaming rig.

its cleaner and smoother than Vista. But if you had Vista, it would take you awhile to notice much difference to the UI. One that obviously stands out the most is the improved taskbar. Other than that, overall its nice looking.

I may upgrade to it when I have the money. I've got Vista working perfectly for me right now though. Took some tweaking, but I got there :P

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#11 donalbane
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Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. Tjeremiah1988
Can you be more specific... I'm on the fence about getting it. I worry that some of my games won't run anymore as they aren't '7 compatible'... crap like that. Any trouble with games etc.? What do you like about it so much.
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I've been using Windows 7 for about 1 month and it's 100 times better than Vista.

You gain in performance, even the games run a bit better than on Vista.

Vista just sucked.

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Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. Tjeremiah1988

I recall seeing a number of extremely similar comments about Vista when that was launched and people were bashing it. Look how that turned out.

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#14 Wasdie  Moderator
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Windows 7 performs the same or better than Windows XP and it supports tons of new technologies (including DX11).

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Windows 7 blows everything out of the water

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I've been using Windows 7 for about 1 month and it's 100 times better than Vista.

You gain in performance, even the games run a bit better than on Vista.

Vista just sucked.

pitty8982

I wouldn't say it sucks, it was just nowhere near as good as it should have been.

It takes too much effort for it to work well.

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I've been using Windows 7 for about 1 month and it's 100 times better than Vista.

You gain in performance, even the games run a bit better than on Vista.

Vista just sucked.

pitty8982

Every benchmark i've seen, says otherwise...

This sound like the people are trying to justify there purchase!!!!

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#18 pitty8982
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="pitty8982"]

I've been using Windows 7 for about 1 month and it's 100 times better than Vista.

You gain in performance, even the games run a bit better than on Vista.

Vista just sucked.

Every benchmark i've seen, says otherwise...

This sound like the people are trying to justify there purchase!!!!

no, I just tried it myself. I had Vista and Xp before. Already Xp was much better than Vista, I tell you. Well try it yourself if you don't believe me/us.
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="pitty8982"]

I've been using Windows 7 for about 1 month and it's 100 times better than Vista.

You gain in performance, even the games run a bit better than on Vista.

Vista just sucked.

pitty8982

Every benchmark i've seen, says otherwise...

This sound like the people are trying to justify there purchase!!!!

no, I just tried it myself. I had Vista and Xp before. Already Xp was much better than Vista, I tell you. Well try it yourself if you don't believe me/us.

Look, i've seen more then one benchmark saying the same story... BENCHMARKS, having the same gaming performance Win7 and Vista.

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#20 Bebi_vegeta
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Windows 7 performs the same or better than Windows XP and it supports tons of new technologies (including DX11).

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Even Vista was better then Xp gaming wise...

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I'm liking it so far, and price wasn't an issue for me, got it for free from my college. I never bothered upgrading to Vista, so I can't comment on how different it is.

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#22 Zero_epyon
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From my experience with it the benchmarks are accurate. I really see little if any performance difference. It does look nicer and have a few cool extra features though. But for me performance is on top of the list.

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#23 donalbane
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="pitty8982"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Every benchmark i've seen, says otherwise...

This sound like the people are trying to justify there purchase!!!!

no, I just tried it myself. I had Vista and Xp before. Already Xp was much better than Vista, I tell you. Well try it yourself if you don't believe me/us.

Look, i've seen more then one benchmark saying the same story... BENCHMARKS, having the same gaming performance Win7 and Vista.

Benchmarks I saw suggest that with Hyperthreading, 7 gets an extra frame or two on high end systems. XP wins in single-thread games like COD, though.
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#24 donalbane
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Windows 7 performs the same or better than Windows XP and it supports tons of new technologies (including DX11).

Even Vista was better then Xp gaming wise...

Not if you had a library of classic games, it sure wasn't. I had to damn near become a programmer to make some games, even popular ones, run correctly.
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#25 pitty8982
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="pitty8982"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Every benchmark i've seen, says otherwise...

This sound like the people are trying to justify there purchase!!!!

no, I just tried it myself. I had Vista and Xp before. Already Xp was much better than Vista, I tell you. Well try it yourself if you don't believe me/us.

Look, i've seen more then one benchmark saying the same story... BENCHMARKS, having the same gaming performance Win7 and Vista.

stick to your benchmarks then, what else should I tell you? Ask people around, maybe you're right, they'll like Vista better, except I really don't think so.
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From my experience with it the benchmarks are accurate. I really see little if any performance difference. It does look nicer and have a few cool extra features though. But for me performance is on top of the list.

Zero_epyon
I'm not a huge fan of the new interface. The way that the open windows and the quick launch icons mix is really strange.
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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. donalbane
Can you be more specific... I'm on the fence about getting it. I worry that some of my games won't run anymore as they aren't '7 compatible'... crap like that. Any trouble with games etc.? What do you like about it so much.

I've had trouble with Galatic Civilisations and Neverwinter nights 2 (gal civs crashes and NWN won't load up) - haven't really tried to get them running or search for a solution as I was just installing old games to see if they ran. Everything else has been running great!
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#28 metroidfood
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Every benchmark i've seen, says otherwise...

This sound like the people are trying to justify there purchase!!!!

Bebi_vegeta

Actually, I'd say this is the first benchmark test I've seen that doesn't show a significant upgrade from Vista (and even then, it's pretty much on par).

Usually, they tend to turn out more like this (http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=22006). Or this (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_review?page=0%2C3). Or even this (http://www.hardcoreware.net/windows-7-vs-vista-performance-comparison/8/).

[spoiler] Glitchspot isn't letting me link. [/spoiler]

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I love Win 7, I went straight from XP to 7 and I am not going back again. Win 7 is snappy, easy to use, so far all software works for it perfectly, and I got the x64 version which any PC gamer should get, 32 bit is outdated. The benchmarks show that they are basically the save, those differences are just variations between benchmarks.
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#30 metroidfood
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

From my experience with it the benchmarks are accurate. I really see little if any performance difference. It does look nicer and have a few cool extra features though. But for me performance is on top of the list.

ispyamoose

I'm not a huge fan of the new interface. The way that the open windows and the quick launch icons mix is really strange.

You can bring back the original quicklaunch if you like.

[spoiler] Yay! I can link again! [/spoiler]
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

From my experience with it the benchmarks are accurate. I really see little if any performance difference. It does look nicer and have a few cool extra features though. But for me performance is on top of the list.

ispyamoose
I'm not a huge fan of the new interface. The way that the open windows and the quick launch icons mix is really strange.

If you use Mac OS X, like myself, you'd feel more comfortable. was this on purpose?
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#33 ispyamoose
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[QUOTE="ispyamoose"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

From my experience with it the benchmarks are accurate. I really see little if any performance difference. It does look nicer and have a few cool extra features though. But for me performance is on top of the list.

metroidfood

I'm not a huge fan of the new interface. The way that the open windows and the quick launch icons mix is really strange.

You can bring back the original quicklaunch if you like.

[spoiler] Yay! I can link again! [/spoiler]

Ah, thanks for that information.
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I love Win 7, I went straight from XP to 7 and I am not going back again. Win 7 is snappy, easy to use, so far all software works for it perfectly, and I got the x64 version which any PC gamer should get, 32 bit is outdated. The benchmarks show that they are basically the save, those differences are just variations between benchmarks.muscleserge

64 is only really worth it if you have the extra memory.

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[QUOTE="muscleserge"]I love Win 7, I went straight from XP to 7 and I am not going back again. Win 7 is snappy, easy to use, so far all software works for it perfectly, and I got the x64 version which any PC gamer should get, 32 bit is outdated. The benchmarks show that they are basically the save, those differences are just variations between benchmarks.lundy86_4

64 is only really worth it if you have the extra memory.

Even if you didn't have more than 4 GB of memory, 64 bit might benefit you, depending on the applications that you are running. I have a few 64 bit applications installed right now, and they run quite a bit faster than their 32 bit counterparts.
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Over time though, I think it could be made to rival XP, given the right updates 8)

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The same could be said about Vista. When it comes down to it, Windows 7 should have been a service pack to Vista, but because Vista was tarnished from its launch, Microsoft had to rebrand.
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[QUOTE="muscleserge"]I love Win 7, I went straight from XP to 7 and I am not going back again. Win 7 is snappy, easy to use, so far all software works for it perfectly, and I got the x64 version which any PC gamer should get, 32 bit is outdated. The benchmarks show that they are basically the save, those differences are just variations between benchmarks.lundy86_4

64 is only really worth it if you have the extra memory.

That is why I said the a gamer should have x64, games are starting to require 3gb+ of ram and an OS has to last atleast 5 years so what is the point of the 32bit system.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Over time though, I think it could be made to rival XP, given the right updates 8)

gamer620
The same could be said about Vista. When it comes down to it, Windows 7 should have been a service pack to Vista, but because Vista was tarnished from its launch, Microsoft had to rebrand.

Well wasn't XP quite awful (because of driver issues) when it first came out? Microsoft went on to make it one of their best operating systems.
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[QUOTE="donalbane"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water and XP. I am judging this base on my use of it. blue_hazy_basic
Can you be more specific... I'm on the fence about getting it. I worry that some of my games won't run anymore as they aren't '7 compatible'... crap like that. Any trouble with games etc.? What do you like about it so much.

I've had trouble with Galatic Civilisations and Neverwinter nights 2 (gal civs crashes and NWN won't load up) - haven't really tried to get them running or search for a solution as I was just installing old games to see if they ran. Everything else has been running great!

Well that alone is reason enough for me to steer clear... at least for now. I have been a PC gamer for 20 years, and as such, I have a number of older games. There is nothing worse than not being able to play the games you love. Thanks for the info.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]I love Win 7, I went straight from XP to 7 and I am not going back again. Win 7 is snappy, easy to use, so far all software works for it perfectly, and I got the x64 version which any PC gamer should get, 32 bit is outdated. The benchmarks show that they are basically the save, those differences are just variations between benchmarks.muscleserge

64 is only really worth it if you have the extra memory.

That is why I said the a gamer should have x64, games are starting to require 3gb+ of ram and an OS has to last atleast 5 years so what is the point of the 32bit system.

Good point :P I wasn't disagreeing. Just sayin'.

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idk how it works for gaming, but i am loving 7 far more than i ever cared for vista for regular purposes.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]I love Win 7, I went straight from XP to 7 and I am not going back again. Win 7 is snappy, easy to use, so far all software works for it perfectly, and I got the x64 version which any PC gamer should get, 32 bit is outdated. The benchmarks show that they are basically the save, those differences are just variations between benchmarks.ispyamoose

64 is only really worth it if you have the extra memory.

Even if you didn't have more than 4 GB of memory, 64 bit might benefit you, depending on the applications that you are running. I have a few 64 bit applications installed right now, and they run quite a bit faster than their 32 bit counterparts.

That is true, i've noticed this on occasion. However sometimes I get the opposite, where 32-bit works better than 64-bit :(

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Over time though, I think it could be made to rival XP, given the right updates 8)

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The same could be said about Vista. When it comes down to it, Windows 7 should have been a service pack to Vista, but because Vista was tarnished from its launch, Microsoft had to rebrand.

Vista was and still is marred from it's release. It's a shame, as it wasn't THAT bad. I have it running great now, but it took way more effort than it should have.

Plus it's a memory hog.

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[QUOTE="gamer620"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Over time though, I think it could be made to rival XP, given the right updates 8)

lundy86_4

The same could be said about Vista. When it comes down to it, Windows 7 should have been a service pack to Vista, but because Vista was tarnished from its launch, Microsoft had to rebrand.

Vista was and still is marred from it's release. It's a shame, as it wasn't THAT bad. I have it running great now, but it took way more effort than it should have.

Plus it's a memory hog.

I read somewhere that Vista just uses more memory for cache, so that's why it appears to have more memory in use. Whenever an application requires any memory that is already being used for cache, Vista just gives it up. Of course, that doesn't make up for the fact that there can be 40 or 50+ processes running at any given time (if you haven't pre-configured the services).
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#45 lundy86_4  Online
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[QUOTE="gamer620"] The same could be said about Vista. When it comes down to it, Windows 7 should have been a service pack to Vista, but because Vista was tarnished from its launch, Microsoft had to rebrand.ispyamoose

Vista was and still is marred from it's release. It's a shame, as it wasn't THAT bad. I have it running great now, but it took way more effort than it should have.

Plus it's a memory hog.

I read somewhere that Vista just uses more memory for cache, so that's why it appears to have more memory in use. Whenever an application requires any memory that is already being used for cache, Vista just gives it up. Of course, that doesn't make up for the fact that there can be 40 or 50+ processes running at any given time (if you haven't pre-configured the services).

That's interesting. I wasn;t aware of that. The memory usage isn't such a big deal if you're running 4gb, which isn't expensive nowadays. However, i'm not sure what its like on 2gb or even 1gb systems.

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#46 Killfox
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Windows 7 performs the same or better than Windows XP and it supports tons of new technologies (including DX11).

SP3(not sure which number it is) for vista will have DX11. I see no need for Win7 at this point in time. In all honesty sure there have been some problems with vista, but nothing that really bothered me.
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#47 James161324
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i may be getting it. if hp approves my free upgrade request.

but no way am i paying 120 bucks. for what should have been in vista in the first place.

if i don't get it for free. have no inettion of getting it till i go to college next year.

were you can get it for like 40 bucks

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#48 ispyamoose
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That's interesting. I wasn;t aware of that. The memory usage isn't such a big deal if you're running 4gb, which isn't expensive nowadays. However, i'm not sure what its like on 2gb or even 1gb systems.

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Caching on anything less than 2 GB is not optimal. The whole "Windows Vista Ready" tag and "Aero" claims on pre-built/packaged machines is something that Microsoft really got into trouble for. Some of those machines had 1 GB or less of memory, which is pretty much a guarantee for a slow computer.
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#49 Vipa37
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Just about every windows release from birth is always problematic. There were people who hated windows95-ME the only windows release in my mind that i never heard people complain about was windows 2000. The problem with every windows release is that people are gonna be running programs from like 99 and expect it to run on the new platform which to me is asking for to much. Games are one thing programs are another if the programs you use cant get updates from the programers who made that paticular program then either dont upgrade or just use the newOSwith the assumption that some hardware and software is not gonna work.

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#50 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="ispyamoose"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

64 is only really worth it if you have the extra memory.

lundy86_4

Even if you didn't have more than 4 GB of memory, 64 bit might benefit you, depending on the applications that you are running. I have a few 64 bit applications installed right now, and they run quite a bit faster than their 32 bit counterparts.

That is true, i've noticed this on occasion. However sometimes I get the opposite, where 32-bit works better than 64-bit :(

That has to do with the way the application is written.