Morgan Webb slams Zelda: SS for cartoony graphics, praises UC3 for "Adults&

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#1 i3DS
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http://www.g4tv.com/videos/55439/action-games-in-depth/

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#2 DJ-Lafleur
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It's a good thing I don't take G4 seriously anymore.

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#3 i5750at4Ghz
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I agree 100%, take that cartoony crap back to the 80's.
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:lol: G4 is a joke
I agree 100%, take that cartoony crap back to the 80's.i5750at4Ghz
You can't be serious :|
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Personally I wouldn't really say that UC3 is for adults only, more in the teen area in my eyes.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]:lol: G4 is a joke
I agree 100%, take that cartoony crap back to the 80's.i5750at4Ghz
You can't be serious :|

100% serious, the game looks like crap.
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G4 is probably one of if not my most hated channel on t.v.

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I think we got the picture that Morgan Webb doesn't like Cartoony Games back when Super Mario Galaxy 2 came out.

Heck even during E3 2009 she said she didn't want to see another Wind Waker Style Zelda Game and guess what? We got a Wind Waker Style Zelda game.

Sessler on the other hand...

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Meh, G4TV seem to gotten really irrelevant over the years to me. Almost hard to believe they were once a station that was dedicated to video games...
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] 100% serious, the game looks like crap.

Have you ever played any Zelda game?
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] 100% serious, the game looks like crap.

Have you ever played any Zelda game?

All except for Twilight and Skyward.
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Damn, after actually watching that, Morgan Webb just has the most unlikeable personality. She seem like such a fangirl elitist.

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I see nothing wrong with saying facts, Zelda is indeed cartoonish looking game

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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] 100% serious, the game looks like crap.

Have you ever played any Zelda game?

All except for Twilight and Skyward.

And in spite of that, you fail to see the point. :| Did The Wind Waker teach you nothing? Graphics don't matter jack, it's all about game design and mechanics, and Zelda has that on lock, it's always immaculate. There is literally no other game series that survives ONLY on the basis of pure and sheer level design like Zelda does. Graphics, especially in the case of Zelda, are a means to an end, the end being communicating said game design to the player.
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I see nothing wrong with saying facts, Zelda is indeed cartoonish looking game

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There's a huge difference in looking cartoonish and 'not being innovative' :| Especially when you go on to call games like Revelations and Uncharted 3 innovative in the same breath :lol:
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Have you ever played any Zelda game?charizard1605
All except for Twilight and Skyward.

And in spite of that, you fail to see the point. :| Did The Wind Waker teach you nothing? Graphics don't matter jack, it's all about game design and mechanics, and Zelda has that on lock, it's always immaculate. There is literally no other game series that survives ONLY on the basis of pure and sheer level design like Zelda does. Graphics, especially in the case of Zelda, are a means to an end, the end being communicating said game design to the player.

I 100% disagree. Graphics matter just as much as everything else. It's just as much a part of the experience as the gameplay. Humans after all are extremely visual animals.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] All except for Twilight and Skyward. i5750at4Ghz

And in spite of that, you fail to see the point. :| Did The Wind Waker teach you nothing? Graphics don't matter jack, it's all about game design and mechanics, and Zelda has that on lock, it's always immaculate. There is literally no other game series that survives ONLY on the basis of pure and sheer level design like Zelda does. Graphics, especially in the case of Zelda, are a means to an end, the end being communicating said game design to the player.

I 100% disagree. Graphics matter just as much as everything else. It's just as much a part of the experience as the gameplay. Humans after all are extremely visual animals.

False. A game like A Link to the Past holds up better than most modern games, simply BECAUSE of its level design. Same with Ocarina of Time. Same with Wind Waker. I am sorry that your opinion means that you will end up missing out on what promises to be a great, great game, but please stop passing it off as fact. Also, if I may ask, since you seem to have an issue with Nintendo's cartoony art styIe in particular, why did you not play the hyper realistic looking Twilight Princess?
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G4 is probably one of if not my most hated channel on t.v.

Jolt_counter119

This. I love Uncharted, but come on. I also love Zelda. Games would be boring if it was one of these styles or any other, all the time.

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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] And in spite of that, you fail to see the point. :| Did The Wind Waker teach you nothing? Graphics don't matter jack, it's all about game design and mechanics, and Zelda has that on lock, it's always immaculate. There is literally no other game series that survives ONLY on the basis of pure and sheer level design like Zelda does. Graphics, especially in the case of Zelda, are a means to an end, the end being communicating said game design to the player.charizard1605

I 100% disagree. Graphics matter just as much as everything else. It's just as much a part of the experience as the gameplay. Humans after all are extremely visual animals.

False. A game like A Link to the Past holds up better than most modern games, simply BECAUSE of its level design. Same with Ocarina of Time. Same with Wind Waker. I am sorry that your opinion means that you will end up missing out on what promises to be a great, great game, but please stop passing it off as fact. Also, if I may ask, since you seem to have an issue with Nintendo's cartoony art styIe in particular, why did you not play the hyper realistic looking Twilight Princess?

To be fair, A Link To The Past has some of the best 2D graphics IMO. I LOVE them :).

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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] And in spite of that, you fail to see the point. :| Did The Wind Waker teach you nothing? Graphics don't matter jack, it's all about game design and mechanics, and Zelda has that on lock, it's always immaculate. There is literally no other game series that survives ONLY on the basis of pure and sheer level design like Zelda does. Graphics, especially in the case of Zelda, are a means to an end, the end being communicating said game design to the player.charizard1605

I 100% disagree. Graphics matter just as much as everything else. It's just as much a part of the experience as the gameplay. Humans after all are extremely visual animals.

False. A game like A Link to the Past holds up better than most modern games, simply BECAUSE of its level design. Same with Ocarina of Time. Same with Wind Waker. I am sorry that your opinion means that you will end up missing out on what promises to be a great, great game, but please stop passing it off as fact. Also, if I may ask, since you seem to have an issue with Nintendo's cartoony art styIe in particular, why did you not play the hyper realistic looking Twilight Princess?

TP doesn't look realistic at all..... I won't be missing anything. If I want to play a Zelda game I can simply fire up the N64.
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adam "no neck" sessler, Morgan "man-jaw" webb LOL i love xplay tho
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To be fair, A Link To The Past has some of the best 2D graphics IMO. I LOVE them :).

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Super Metroid was much better, IMO, and also Yoshi's Island, but if we are talking top down views, then yes, I agree with you. [QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] TP doesn't look realistic at all..... I won't be missing anything. If I want to play a Zelda game I can simply fire up the N64.

Really? Looks more realistic to me than Fable and stuff. And fine, you can play old Zelda games. We're gonna have fun with the new one, which potentially might be better than the N64 ones.
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#25 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

To be fair, A Link To The Past has some of the best 2D graphics IMO. I LOVE them :).

charizard1605

Super Metroid was much better, IMO, and also Yoshi's Island, but if we are talking top down views, then yes, I agree with you.
TP doesn't look realistic at all..... I won't be missing anything. If I want to play a Zelda game I can simply fire up the N64.i5750at4Ghz
Really? Looks more realistic to me than Fable and stuff. And fine, you can play old Zelda games. We're gonna have fun with the new one, which potentially might be better than the N64 ones.

Me and you both know it won't be.

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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

To be fair, A Link To The Past has some of the best 2D graphics IMO. I LOVE them :).

charizard1605

Super Metroid was much better, IMO, and also Yoshi's Island, but if we are talking top down views, then yes, I agree with you.
TP doesn't look realistic at all..... I won't be missing anything. If I want to play a Zelda game I can simply fire up the N64.i5750at4Ghz
Really? Looks more realistic to me than Fable and stuff. And fine, you can play old Zelda games. We're gonna have fun with the new one, which potentially might be better than the N64 ones.

Ahhhh Super Metroid and A Link To The Past...two of the greatest games ever made! Both have stunning 2D visuals :). And I love this fan art of ALTTP. THese kind of graphics could be awesome for a 3DS title :P

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"] Super Metroid was much better, IMO, and also Yoshi's Island, but if we are talking top down views, then yes, I agree with you. [QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] TP doesn't look realistic at all..... I won't be missing anything. If I want to play a Zelda game I can simply fire up the N64.i5750at4Ghz

Really? Looks more realistic to me than Fable and stuff. And fine, you can play old Zelda games. We're gonna have fun with the new one, which potentially might be better than the N64 ones.

Me and you both know it won't be.

No you don't. I think it will be my second favorite console one, but I wont hype it TOO much, just in case. Could be the best one yet, but who knows. I have very high hopes.

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I agree with the G4 crew and am glad mainstream game jounalists are being realistic about how crappy SS looks. I didn't think any would in fear of hurting peoples' feelings (sheep), like the infamous 8.5 GS gave Twilight Princess. There was a mass exodus of sheep. Lesson learned. I bet GS scores SS a 9 just to keep everyone happy while it'll reslly deserve a 7.5~8...

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Me and you both know it won't be.

i5750at4Ghz

I am reasonably sure it will be

Ahhhh Super Metroid and A Link To The Past...two of the greatest games ever made! Both have stunning 2D visuals :). And I love this fan art of ALTTP. THese kind of graphics could be awesome for a 3DS title :P

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Oh my GOD :shock:

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I agree with the G4 crew and am glad mainstream game jounalists are being realistic about how crappy SS looks. I didn't think any would in fear of hurting peoples' feelings (sheep), like the infamous 8.5 GS gave Twilight Princess. There was a mass exodus of sheep. Lesson learned. I bet GS scores SS a 9 just to keep everyone happy while it'll reslly deserve a 7.5~8...

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:roll:

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Ahhhh Super Metroid and A Link To The Past...two of the greatest games ever made! Both have stunning 2D visuals :). And I love this fan art of ALTTP. THese kind of graphics could be awesome for a 3DS title :P

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Orioto's art is amazing. I use his images as wallpapers from time to time! :D

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Uncharted looks cartoony, so I don't know where she is going with that. Not to mention the games are rated Teen.

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I agree with the G4 crew and am glad mainstream game jounalists are being realistic about how crappy SS looks. I didn't think any would in fear of hurting peoples' feelings (sheep), like the infamous 8.5 GS gave Twilight Princess. There was a mass exodus of sheep. Lesson learned. I bet GS scores SS a 9 just to keep everyone happy while it'll reslly deserve a 7.5~8...

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Nah. Maybe it'll get a low score to make the haters happy while it scores a 90+ meta like they always do.

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Morgan Weeb doesn't play games.
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I agree with the G4 crew and am glad mainstream game jounalists are being realistic about how crappy SS looks. I didn't think any would in fear of hurting peoples' feelings (sheep), like the infamous 8.5 GS gave Twilight Princess. There was a mass exodus of sheep. Lesson learned. I bet GS scores SS a 9 just to keep everyone happy while it'll reslly deserve a 7.5~8...

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Or maybe it'll really deserve a 9 :| Shocking I know
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[QUOTE="trollop_scat"]

I agree with the G4 crew and am glad mainstream game jounalists are being realistic about how crappy SS looks. I didn't think any would in fear of hurting peoples' feelings (sheep), like the infamous 8.5 GS gave Twilight Princess. There was a mass exodus of sheep. Lesson learned. I bet GS scores SS a 9 just to keep everyone happy while it'll reslly deserve a 7.5~8...

Shinobishyguy

Or maybe it'll really deserve a 9 :| Shocking I know

I will be shocked if scores less than a 9 (and it WILL deserve it).

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morgan webb biggest troll on g4

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When someone says Uncharted is innovative you know they are high. The game is piggybacking off Tomb Raider. Uncharted 3 is 2 on steroids and nothing more. As for Assasin's Creed well lets not even go there.

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Damn, after actually watching that, Morgan Webb just has the most unlikeable personality. She seem like such a fangirl elitist.

Jolt_counter119

I always got the impression that she was just a chick paid to pretend to like games to rope in a certain demographic.

I don't agree with her here, but I am more inclined to believe her to be a gamer because she has an opinion on the matter.

SS's graphics don't seem to be a problem to me. After all, it's the Wii, and we know what to expect from it graphics-wise. To expect a crazy leap from other games on the system is ridiculous.

To me, the gameplay is what looks to be very poor. The motion control heavy combat doesn't look very fluid. If it ends up being true one-to-one swordplay, then that could be really cool or really tedious. If it's anything less than that I just don't see a point.

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She said the same crap about SMG2. I'm not even sure why she's there, because it can't be for her man face.

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[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Damn, after actually watching that, Morgan Webb just has the most unlikeable personality. She seem like such a fangirl elitist.

Pug-Nasty

I always got the impression that she was just a chick paid to pretend to like games to rope in a certain demographic.

I don't agree with her here, but I am more inclined to believe her to be a gamer because she has an opinion on the matter.

SS's graphics don't seem to be a problem to me. After all, it's the Wii, and we know what to expect from it graphics-wise. To expect a crazy leap from other games on the system is ridiculous.

To me, the gameplay is what looks to be very poor. The motion control heavy combat doesn't look very fluid. If it ends up being true one-to-one swordplay, then that could be really cool or really tedious. If it's anything less than that I just don't see a point.

It's confirmed to be one to one true swordplay.
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#42 NaveedLife
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[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Damn, after actually watching that, Morgan Webb just has the most unlikeable personality. She seem like such a fangirl elitist.

charizard1605

I always got the impression that she was just a chick paid to pretend to like games to rope in a certain demographic.

I don't agree with her here, but I am more inclined to believe her to be a gamer because she has an opinion on the matter.

SS's graphics don't seem to be a problem to me. After all, it's the Wii, and we know what to expect from it graphics-wise. To expect a crazy leap from other games on the system is ridiculous.

To me, the gameplay is what looks to be very poor. The motion control heavy combat doesn't look very fluid. If it ends up being true one-to-one swordplay, then that could be really cool or really tedious. If it's anything less than that I just don't see a point.

It's confirmed to be one to one true swordplay.

It is? if its confirmed from a vid, thats why i dont know about it lol. black out for me ;).

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

I always got the impression that she was just a chick paid to pretend to like games to rope in a certain demographic.

I don't agree with her here, but I am more inclined to believe her to be a gamer because she has an opinion on the matter.

SS's graphics don't seem to be a problem to me. After all, it's the Wii, and we know what to expect from it graphics-wise. To expect a crazy leap from other games on the system is ridiculous.

To me, the gameplay is what looks to be very poor. The motion control heavy combat doesn't look very fluid. If it ends up being true one-to-one swordplay, then that could be really cool or really tedious. If it's anything less than that I just don't see a point.

NaveedLife

It's confirmed to be one to one true swordplay.

It is? if its confirmed from a vid, thats why i dont know about it lol. black out for me ;).

Well, that was actually the first thing they revealed about the game, before it even had a name or trailer. Then, they went on to make it a focal point of everything Skyward Sword related.
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Could Morgan Webb act anymore like Chris Bores (Irate Gamer)? He bashed Kirby's Epic Yarn for the same thing.
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#45 Wanderer5
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Not going to bother watching the video, but did she really say Uncharted 3 and AC Revelations are innovative? LMAO what a joke.

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#46 NaveedLife
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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] It's confirmed to be one to one true swordplay.charizard1605

It is? if its confirmed from a vid, thats why i dont know about it lol. black out for me ;).

Well, that was actually the first thing they revealed about the game, before it even had a name or trailer. Then, they went on to make it a focal point of everything Skyward Sword related.

I remember them saying that they did not make it 1:1 as it was just too complex and required too much of a learning curve. I mean it is sort of 1:1, but you will not be peforming any completely custom slashes and such. when you slash, it slashes in that direction (of 10 or so directions i think). But if you move it slow the sword is 1:1 without slashing. Thats how I thought it worked.

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#47 Pug-Nasty
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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] It's confirmed to be one to one true swordplay.charizard1605

It is? if its confirmed from a vid, thats why i dont know about it lol. black out for me ;).

Well, that was actually the first thing they revealed about the game, before it even had a name or trailer. Then, they went on to make it a focal point of everything Skyward Sword related.

Well, I won't believe it just because they said it. It's not like the Wii has a reputation for one-to-one motion sensing, even with motion+. Like I said, that could be cool, or tedious, if true.

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#48 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

It is? if its confirmed from a vid, thats why i dont know about it lol. black out for me ;).

NaveedLife

Well, that was actually the first thing they revealed about the game, before it even had a name or trailer. Then, they went on to make it a focal point of everything Skyward Sword related.

I remember them saying that they did not make it 1:1 as it was just too complex and required too much of a learning curve. I mean it is sort of 1:1, but you will not be peforming any completely custom slashes and such. when you slash, it slashes in that direction (of 10 or so directions i think). But if you move it slow the sword is 1:1 without slashing. Thats how I thought it worked.

Well, it's confirmed 1:1 at this point. Wait, I actually remember what you are talking about, but this is long ago. Esentially, after seeing how well 1:1 swordplay worked in Wii Sports Resort, they were convinced it could be done in Zelda too, and they have done it. Everything in the game uses 1:1 motion. Nothing even uses IR.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

It is? if its confirmed from a vid, thats why i dont know about it lol. black out for me ;).

Pug-Nasty

Well, that was actually the first thing they revealed about the game, before it even had a name or trailer. Then, they went on to make it a focal point of everything Skyward Sword related.

Well, I won't believe it just because they said it. It's not like the Wii has a reputation for one-to-one motion sensing, even with motion+. Like I said, that could be cool, or tedious, if true.

Wii Sports Resort, dude. They managed to get 1:1, read all the previews.
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#50 Sgt_Crow
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Why doesn't she just quit her job? She obviously sucks at it.