Morgan Webb slams Zelda: SS for cartoony graphics, praises UC3 for "Adults&

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

^This. But I'm sure all of you haters will scroll right over this logic.

Captain_Lorelli

I'm not hating but it is different. The 360/PS3 were both drastic improvements over the prior gen. The wii was not.

Yea and a PC game from 4 years ago still spanks this years PS3 and Xbox360 games..Should they be held to the same standard?

The PC is a different beast, and always has been. Also, Crysis actually has aged, but that is besides the point. The point is that visually MS and Sony have evolved from the prior generation. Now, I'm a borderline nintendo fanboy and I can hear where she's coming from. It isn't really that the game looks bad by any means, but more so the frustration that Nintendo isn't living in the now as far as tech goes. I know visuals don't matter that much, but I'd be willing to bet that almost everybody would agree that SS would benefit from a higher resolution--not to mention we are limited to component inputs for high def displays.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

wow......

Mario1331

i may not be an adult but gaming is a very fun hobby that i spend time and money in if you fell gaming is just a cheap toy to kill time and you dont have even a little passion for the gaming medium then game casually or dont game anymore that statement i found really disrespectful

Well I do agree that it would be nice to see a Zelda game with Uncharted or Assassin's Creed like of graphics

[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]She (as well as many in the real world) are getting sick and tired of Wii graphics. And LoZ SS isn't even that great looking, not even a far stretch from how Twilight Princess looked. Which is why she "yawned" at even the mention of the new LoZ.foxhound_fox

360 and PS3 games are STILL CURRENT gen. And they definitely look better than most Wii games.

If going by that logic regarding PC games since Crysis 2007, you're pretty much having the same logic as Morgan and many in the real world are sharing.....Graphical Fidelity on powerful machines trumps inferior graphics on less powerful machines. Same concept, same logic.

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I'm not hating but it is different. The 360/PS3 were both drastic improvements over the prior gen. The wii was not.

Heirren

Yea and a PC game from 4 years ago still spanks this years PS3 and Xbox360 games..Should they be held to the same standard?

The PC is a different beast, and always has been. Also, Crysis actually has aged, but that is besides the point. The point is that visually MS and Sony have evolved from the prior generation. Now, I'm a borderline nintendo fanboy and I can hear where she's coming from. It isn't really that the game looks bad by any means, but more so the frustration that Nintendo isn't living in the now as far as tech goes. I know visuals don't matter that much, but I'd be willing to bet that almost everybody would agree that SS would benefit from a higher resolution--not to mention we are limited to component inputs for high def displays.

I would agree with everything you just said if it wasn't for her prior Nintendo bashing segments. She has bashed both mario galaxies (which are beautiful) and now Zelda, not only graphically but for not being adult oriented. If she played WW, she would see a king drown and an evil man get stabbed in the face...i'm not even going into TP...

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Yes? Speak now or forever hold your peace. Bread_or_Decide

i may not be an adult but gaming is a very fun hobby that i spend time and money in if you fell gaming is just a cheap toy to kill time and you dont have even a little passion for the gaming medium then game casually or dont game anymore that statement i found really disrespectful

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Actually it is a really good point. I'm not saying graphics mean everything, but as far as nintendo goes it feels like we've been looking at the same stuff for the last 10 years. Please note that in the past I have said that Mario Galaxy is the best looking game this gen.foxhound_fox

I don't buy this. While character models are indeed impressive, I noticed in several of the screens released that the level of detail and even polygons in map design are pitifully low.

another hardcore girl gamer...sigh lol

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Heirren"]Actually it is a really good point. I'm not saying graphics mean everything, but as far as nintendo goes it feels like we've been looking at the same stuff for the last 10 years. Please note that in the past I have said that Mario Galaxy is the best looking game this gen.hakanakumono

I don't buy this. While character models are indeed impressive, I noticed in several of the screens released that the level of detail and even polygons in map design are pitifully low.

it's something that comes with the genre

How history repeats itself....It was not too long that the same thing was said about Zelda:WW. And it ended up being one of the best Zelda games. HarlockJC

It's cool to hate. I have no doubt SS will do well not only in sales, but critically and deliver on what was promised by Miyamoto & co.

360 and PS3 games are STILL CURRENT gen. M8ingSeezun

Same concept, same logic.M8ingSeezun

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

Yea and a PC game from 4 years ago still spanks this years PS3 and Xbox360 games..Should they be held to the same standard?

Captain_Lorelli

The PC is a different beast, and always has been. Also, Crysis actually has aged, but that is besides the point. The point is that visually MS and Sony have evolved from the prior generation. Now, I'm a borderline nintendo fanboy and I can hear where she's coming from. It isn't really that the game looks bad by any means, but more so the frustration that Nintendo isn't living in the now as far as tech goes. I know visuals don't matter that much, but I'd be willing to bet that almost everybody would agree that SS would benefit from a higher resolution--not to mention we are limited to component inputs for high def displays.

I would agree with everything you just said if it wasn't for her prior Nintendo bashing segments. She has bashed both mario galaxies (which are beautiful) and now Zelda, not only graphically but for not being adult oriented. If she played WW, she would see a king drown and an evil man get stabbed in the face...i'm not even going into TP...

Well, I'm not sure what to say to that.:) I stopped following Xplay back in the Xbox generation. I will say this though: Adam Sessler, Morgan Webb, and the like DO seem like genuine gamers. They have become game journalists. With this titles comes a minute power to influence industry direction, as game consumers tend to follow websites, game shows, etc. It very well could be that that entire group of folk just want Nintendo back into a gimmick free gaming business. This is not a negative comment towards the wii and motion controls, but it has been an improvement in technology every generation that helps move the industry forward.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] The only thing that separates Super Mario Galaxy 1/2 from games like Uncharted 2 and Gears 3 is the fact they aren't in HD. If Nintendo were releasing SS on the U, I too would expect the game to look better than it does. But for the Wii, that's about as good as it gets for an expansive world with a unique artstyle. SS looks amazing for a Wii game... but people continue to feel the need to compare across platforms as always in SW.Shinobishyguy

I don't buy this. While character models are indeed impressive, I noticed in several of the screens released that the level of detail and even polygons in map design are pitifully low.

it's something that comes with the genre

It's a Zelda game. There is no reason why enclosed dungeons should be particularly low quality. There is no reason why FFXII and even TP should look considerably better than this game (in terms of maps), aside from taking to the sky.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

I don't buy this. While character models are indeed impressive, I noticed in several of the screens released that the level of detail and even polygons in map design are pitifully low.

hakanakumono

it's something that comes with the genre

It's a Zelda game. There is no reason why enclosed dungeons should be particularly low quality. There is no reason why FFXII and even TP should look considerably better than this game (in terms of maps), aside from taking to the sky.

how does he not see uncharted as a cartoon too? lol

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Yes? Speak now or forever hold your peace. Bread_or_Decide

i may not be an adult but gaming is a very fun hobby that i spend time and money in if you fell gaming is just a cheap toy to kill time and you dont have even a little passion for the gaming medium then game casually or dont game anymore that statement i found really disrespectful

I agree with you. My view on gaming has changed as I get older. I love this hobby but playing games all day isn't going to get me out of my parents house or make me great at my career.

Actually blood and gore very much take something away from being kiddy.:?

There is this whole thing you know of blood and gore immediately being a factor that makes it so a game isn't supposed to be sold to children...

For someone claiming to be a fan of logic, you really lack it.

Just because kids get their hands on something does not in fact make it kiddy.

If a kid plays GTA does that make it kiddy?

Once again way to completely fail at logic.

I would flat out say getting your kid CoD or Gears would be some bad freaking parenting.

South Park not only contains that blood and gore, but it is a show entirely centered around very adult themes. Lots of anime is in the same boat.

The Zelda games don't have any mature themes and everything in them is done in a more light-hearted and kiddy manner.

There are no difficult questions asked and no adult topics touched on. The stories are extremely simplistic and as I mention fairy-tale like.

Just because there is danger doesn't make it not kiddy. People can be in danger in a kids book.

Thing is, is anything really done with those people being in danger? Are we seeing a bunch of people die horribly or anything? Nope because once again everything is done in a kiddy manner.

Oh and yes I have played quite a few Zelda games and have OoT in my 3DS as we speak.

LostProphetFLCL

As a pc gamer I would say your full of it.. Blood and gore do not some how add into the maturity in the matter of depth.. Kids are more likely to play something like CoD because of its simplicity in nature as compared to Disgaea 4 a game thats far more complex gameplay wise.. Furthermore the "fairy tale" like setting your talking about can fit iwth many famous story lines like Star Wars.. Lucas when he was writing the films was using the Greek mythology archtypes to create his story. The same kind of archtypes that Zelda games and many games in general are filled in..

People need to get their heads out of their asses if they seriously think adult games only mean blood and gore.. If anything they are some of the most simplistic and immature games on the market when it comes to actual depth in story line and what not.. Rarely do these type of games provide a meaningful thought provoking story, rarely is there some moral impact upon it or some amount of planning and strategy.. This isn't to say that these games are bad, I love them.. But I am not going to claim one game is kiddy and the other game isn't.. Lets do another comparison shall we.. Movie wise.. Would you say that Pixar movies are"kiddy" compared to a Rambo movie when it in fact has far more thought provoking underlying.. In the end "kiddy" needs to be thrown out the window, because the people who I see are using it are doing so while propping up some of the most simplistic games in design, story etc etc.. I certainly hope devs don't take words like this poster to heart because it certainly would be boring if every game was a carbon copy of "realism" and "maturity".

@sSubZerOo: Just to add:

Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.C S Lewis

SS needs to be seen in motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em-n3LrCD-Y

Looks insanely sharp and colorful, it's jaw-dropping, moreso than any of the HD games. Keep in mind that this is the 2010 build, showing a very simple area. I'm really excited about the game's visuals.

I'm not sure it has been mentioned yet or not, but I'd say Majora's Mask exemplifies "maturity" in gaming. It is dark, depressing and holds themes that if kids could understand them, would terrify them to their very core.

foxhound_fox

That's what I don't get. It's one of the most dark/serious games I've ever played.. :question:

@sSubZerOo: Just to add:
[quote="C S Lewis"]Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.foxhound_fox

Hell lets take a look at "The Wizard of Oz".. Seen as a childs story now a days.. But back then IT WAS NOTHING of the sort, it was actually a political metaphor on the Progressive movement.. The Scarecrow was the farmer with out a brain who did not think for them selves.. The Tin man was the overworked factory owner with out a heart to care any more then one self.. And the Lion was a cowardly politician who didn't have the courage to stand up to whats right.. Its just face palm worthy that the term kiddy is even being used in this..

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

@sSubZerOo: Just to add:
[quote="C S Lewis"]Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.sSubZerOo

Hell lets take a look at "The Wizard of Oz".. Seen as a childs story now a days.. But back then IT WAS NOTHING of the sort, it was actually a political metaphor on the Progressive movement.. The Scarecrow was the farmer with out a brain who did not think for them selves.. The Tin man was the overworked factory owner with out a heart to care any more then one self.. And the Lion was a cowardly politician who didn't have the courage to stand up to whats right.. Its just face palm worthy that the term kiddy is even being used in this..

We must always consider the source...G4TV. Majora's Mask and Wind Waker had very mature themes and stories. Death, Sacrifice, Psychology, Love,friendship ect. Not to mention the amount of charm the characters exhibit, the most memorable characters for me at least. The endings of both MM and WW are two of my all time favorites, and no I don't need voiceacting.

Hell lets take a look at "The Wizard of Oz".. Seen as a childs story now a days.. But back then IT WAS NOTHING of the sort, it was actually a political metaphor on the Progressive movement.. The Scarecrow was the farmer with out a brain who did not think for them selves.. The Tin man was the overworked factory owner with out a heart to care any more then one self.. And the Lion was a cowardly politician who didn't have the courage to stand up to whats right.. Its just face palm worthy that the term kiddy is even being used in this..sSubZerOo

First of all...Lol Morgan Webb.

Second...i honestly wouldn't be surprised if she ever mentions that Transformer 3 was a better film than Toy Story 3

Its pretty sad when Youtubers Gamer Girls have much more credibility than "professional journalists" like Morgan "teh hardcore" Webb.

[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]360 and PS3 games are STILL CURRENT gen. foxhound_fox

Same concept, same logic.M8ingSeezun

Yes they are and I never said they weren't. Using that G4 video, I'm was only bolstering Morgan's point.

Yes, I did read it, and I was calling out the DOUBLE STANDARD logic that YOU wrote. You said it was wrong (for her) to use that logic, but the video only shown console games NOT PC games. I was merely sticking to the context of that video. YOU on the other hand decide to put PC graphical fidelity to the subject, and I retorted by calling out the double standard within that PC logic. In which you wrote:

"PC since Crysis 2007 has been more than a whole generation ahead of consoles in terms of graphical fidelity. But then again its pretty obvious her (as well as many in the real world) aren't driven by this logic..."

Writing without thinking FTL.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Actually blood and gore very much take something away from being kiddy.:?

There is this whole thing you know of blood and gore immediately being a factor that makes it so a game isn't supposed to be sold to children...

For someone claiming to be a fan of logic, you really lack it.

Just because kids get their hands on something does not in fact make it kiddy.

If a kid plays GTA does that make it kiddy?

Once again way to completely fail at logic.

I would flat out say getting your kid CoD or Gears would be some bad freaking parenting.

South Park not only contains that blood and gore, but it is a show entirely centered around very adult themes. Lots of anime is in the same boat.

The Zelda games don't have any mature themes and everything in them is done in a more light-hearted and kiddy manner.

There are no difficult questions asked and no adult topics touched on. The stories are extremely simplistic and as I mention fairy-tale like.

Just because there is danger doesn't make it not kiddy. People can be in danger in a kids book.

Thing is, is anything really done with those people being in danger? Are we seeing a bunch of people die horribly or anything? Nope because once again everything is done in a kiddy manner.

Oh and yes I have played quite a few Zelda games and have OoT in my 3DS as we speak.

LostProphetFLCL

Umm you might not have proof because you're wrong, but I am right and have proof, such as proof of what I said earlier about owning OoT:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/LostprophetFLCL/001-1.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/LostprophetFLCL/003-1.jpg

But whtevs, you are so right about everything! :roll:

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

@sSubZerOo: Just to add:
[quote="C S Lewis"]Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.Captain_Lorelli

Hell lets take a look at "The Wizard of Oz".. Seen as a childs story now a days.. But back then IT WAS NOTHING of the sort, it was actually a political metaphor on the Progressive movement.. The Scarecrow was the farmer with out a brain who did not think for them selves.. The Tin man was the overworked factory owner with out a heart to care any more then one self.. And the Lion was a cowardly politician who didn't have the courage to stand up to whats right.. Its just face palm worthy that the term kiddy is even being used in this..

We must always consider the source...G4TV. Majora's Mask and Wind Waker had very mature themes and stories. Death, Sacrifice, Psychology, Love,friendship ect. Not to mention the amount of charm the characters exhibit, the most memorable characters for me at least. The endings of both MM and WW are two of my all time favorites, and no I don't need voiceacting.

Hell, even look at Link's Awakening, the entire world, characters, animals, plants, relationships, items and thoughts that Link has on the island turn out to be just a dream of a Windfish. Can you imagine simply finding out the people you've grown to known and surround yourself with and all your actions are just a dream and never really existed and may never actually exist? Link probably wouldn't have known if the entire world was just a dream of the Windfish or just the small islad he was on, or maybe Link himself was a dream of the Windfish, how would one deal with something like that? Waking the Windfish could have very well ended his own existance. This was a simply "cartoony" Game Boy game that wasn't even in color until half a decade after it released, and most of the people in here would not only write it off as kiddy and simple but also write it off as non-important because it is a portable game, yet at its core Link's Awakening has some deep tones and themes that are interesting to think about.

Writing without thinking FTL.M8ingSeezun

They didn't bash it for having "cartoony" graphics, they bashed it for having BAD graphics and it looking like it hadn't progressed much beyond OoT as far as gameplay goes. The Wii was subpar when it came out and the margin by which other systems beat it graphically has only grown over time.

That is how it goes when you decide to cheap out on hardware in a console generation and it means once the novelty wears off there is less there to work with. So sad, too bad, deal with it.

When someone says Uncharted is innovative you know they are high. The game is piggybacking off Tomb Raider. Uncharted 3 is 2 on steroids and nothing more. As for Assasin's Creed well lets not even go there.

icegamerice

It helps to actually watch what is being referenced, at no point did they say that; they said that Zelda wasn't. Tough luck.

What were people watching? The video I watched showed them bashing the overall DATED...wait....VERY DATED mechanics and overall quality of graphics. I 100% agree with them....for how long will we have to shoot the arrow at the eye ball? Or put the bomb next to the crack in the wall? *Yawn*. I played every single Zelda and everytime I play the newest one it becomes less and less exciting to me. This will actually be the first time I dont buy a Zelda since I sold my Wii after Twilight Princess....Nintendo really needs to step it up next gen. I think G4 was being reasonable when they said games like Gears of War and Uncharted garner more excitement nowadays than games like Zelda because you know Gears and Uncharted are going to push the envelope technology wise...production value wise, graphically and you want to see what they can do with the current system limitations, while you know exactly what Zelda is going to be...Been there, done that.

What were people watching? The video I watched showed them bashing the overall DATED...wait....VERY DATED mechanics and overall quality of graphics. I 100% agree with them....for how long will we have to shoot the arrow at the eye ball? Or put the bomb next to the crack in the wall? *Yawn*. I played every single Zelda and everytime I play the newest one it becomes less and less exciting to me. This will actually be the first time I dont buy a Zelda since I sold my Wii after Twilight Princess....Nintendo really needs to step it up next gen. I think G4 was being reasonable when they said games like Gears of War and Uncharted garner more excitement nowadays than games like Zelda because you know Gears and Uncharted are going to push the envelope technology wise...production value wise, graphically and you want to see what they can do with the current system limitations, while you know exactly what Zelda is going to be...Been there, done that.

SRTtoZ

Funny, its the exact same feeling i get watching most of the upcoming mainstream games with some exceptions (Zelda, Dark Souls, Batman)...oh well.

[QUOTE="SRTtoZ"]

What were people watching? The video I watched showed them bashing the overall DATED...wait....VERY DATED mechanics and overall quality of graphics. I 100% agree with them....for how long will we have to shoot the arrow at the eye ball? Or put the bomb next to the crack in the wall? *Yawn*. I played every single Zelda and everytime I play the newest one it becomes less and less exciting to me. This will actually be the first time I dont buy a Zelda since I sold my Wii after Twilight Princess....Nintendo really needs to step it up next gen. I think G4 was being reasonable when they said games like Gears of War and Uncharted garner more excitement nowadays than games like Zelda because you know Gears and Uncharted are going to push the envelope technology wise...production value wise, graphically and you want to see what they can do with the current system limitations, while you know exactly what Zelda is going to be...Been there, done that.

madsnakehhh

Funny, its the exact same feeling i get watching most of the upcoming mainstream games with some exceptions (Zelda, Dark Souls, Batman)...oh well.

And listen, thats completly fair because we all have different like and dislikes. I Just dont like when people act as if there is something wrong with this type of opinion. People need to get over it...Zelda used to be that sort of untouchable franchise that was always pumping out AAA quality titles but this gen it seems way more games have moved past it and pushed the envelope while Zelda sort of just stayed the same.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Actually blood and gore very much take something away from being kiddy.:?

There is this whole thing you know of blood and gore immediately being a factor that makes it so a game isn't supposed to be sold to children...

For someone claiming to be a fan of logic, you really lack it.

Just because kids get their hands on something does not in fact make it kiddy.

If a kid plays GTA does that make it kiddy?

Once again way to completely fail at logic.

I would flat out say getting your kid CoD or Gears would be some bad freaking parenting.

South Park not only contains that blood and gore, but it is a show entirely centered around very adult themes. Lots of anime is in the same boat.

The Zelda games don't have any mature themes and everything in them is done in a more light-hearted and kiddy manner.

There are no difficult questions asked and no adult topics touched on. The stories are extremely simplistic and as I mention fairy-tale like.

Just because there is danger doesn't make it not kiddy. People can be in danger in a kids book.

Thing is, is anything really done with those people being in danger? Are we seeing a bunch of people die horribly or anything? Nope because once again everything is done in a kiddy manner.

Oh and yes I have played quite a few Zelda games and have OoT in my 3DS as we speak.

sSubZerOo

As a pc gamer I would say your full of it.. Blood and gore do not some how add into the maturity in the matter of depth.. Kids are more likely to play something like CoD because of its simplicity in nature as compared to Disgaea 4 a game thats far more complex gameplay wise.. Furthermore the "fairy tale" like setting your talking about can fit iwth many famous story lines like Star Wars.. Lucas when he was writing the films was using the Greek mythology archtypes to create his story. The same kind of archtypes that Zelda games and many games in general are filled in..

People need to get their heads out of their asses if they seriously think adult games only mean blood and gore.. If anything they are some of the most simplistic and immature games on the market when it comes to actual depth in story line and what not.. Rarely do these type of games provide a meaningful thought provoking story, rarely is there some moral impact upon it or some amount of planning and strategy.. This isn't to say that these games are bad, I love them.. But I am not going to claim one game is kiddy and the other game isn't.. Lets do another comparison shall we.. Movie wise.. Would you say that Pixar movies are"kiddy" compared to a Rambo movie when it in fact has far more thought provoking underlying.. In the end "kiddy" needs to be thrown out the window, because the people who I see are using it are doing so while propping up some of the most simplistic games in design, story etc etc.. I certainly hope devs don't take words like this poster to heart because it certainly would be boring if every game was a carbon copy of "realism" and "maturity".

*sigh*

You are completely missing the point.

Blood and gore aren't mature in that they are some sort of deep thoughtful thing, they are mature in that they are an element that can ONLY properly appear in something geared toward adults.

Things with blood and gore are things that are naturally stuff not geared towards children as our age ratings will say "this cannot be sold to children".

Kids SHOULD NOT be playing something like Call of Duty or Gears, not because they are deep or complex but because of the bloody violence depicted. I say Halo gets away with this because the violence because of the non-graphic way it is portrayed, much like Zelda.

Just because adult games can be shallow and simplistic doesn't make them any less MATURE. They still are things kids should not be playing.

As for Pixar, they are still "kids" movies even if they are absolutely fantastic and something I could still enjoy watching as an adult.

I have to ask, why does something being "kiddy" mean somethings bad? That is the vibe I am getting here considering people are flipping out at my post like I was slamming the Zelda games EVEN AFTER I have mentioned ENJOYING the games. In fact, OoT3D is the main reason I went and got a 3DS.

Kiddy doesn't mean "adults can't enjoy this whatsoever" or "this is bad". It means something is generally made to be enjoyable by kids and potentially adults alike. Sure not every adult is capable of enjoying kiddy things (such as Morgan Webb), but that doesn't mean an adult can't find joy in something that's kiddy.

Hell, some of my favorite things are things that can be enjoyed by both kids and adults alike. I love the Fairly Oddparents and Spongebob and such. They are funny and light-hearted and I love just being to sit there and enjoy something like I did as a kid.

It is even better when you go back and watch kids shows as an adults and catch those bits of humour in there that completely went over your head as a kid. Best example of this would be Rocko's Modern Life which going back and watching it as an adult is almost like watching an entirely different show because of all the humour I now get.

I say Zelda is a kid game not like it is a bad thing. I as an adult still very much enjoy them, just like a Mario game.

Thing is, it doesn't have ingredients that would make it an "adult" game in my eyes.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Umm you might not have proof because you're wrong, but I am right and have proof, such as proof of what I said earlier about owning OoT:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/LostprophetFLCL/001-1.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/LostprophetFLCL/003-1.jpg

But whtevs, you are so right about everything! :roll:

LostProphetFLCL

Took you long enough to post such an incredibly stupid and meaningless reply. :lol:

K this battle is won. Time to engage in discussion with someone more capable of intelligent though and discussion.

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[QUOTE="SRTtoZ"]

What were people watching? The video I watched showed them bashing the overall DATED...wait....VERY DATED mechanics and overall quality of graphics. I 100% agree with them....for how long will we have to shoot the arrow at the eye ball? Or put the bomb next to the crack in the wall? *Yawn*. I played every single Zelda and everytime I play the newest one it becomes less and less exciting to me. This will actually be the first time I dont buy a Zelda since I sold my Wii after Twilight Princess....Nintendo really needs to step it up next gen. I think G4 was being reasonable when they said games like Gears of War and Uncharted garner more excitement nowadays than games like Zelda because you know Gears and Uncharted are going to push the envelope technology wise...production value wise, graphically and you want to see what they can do with the current system limitations, while you know exactly what Zelda is going to be...Been there, done that.

SRTtoZ

Funny, its the exact same feeling i get watching most of the upcoming mainstream games with some exceptions (Zelda, Dark Souls, Batman)...oh well.

And listen, thats completly fair because we all have different like and dislikes. I Just dont like when people act as if there is something wrong with this type of opinion. People need to get over it...Zelda used to be that sort of untouchable franchise that was always pumping out AAA quality titles but this gen it seems way more games have moved past it and pushed the envelope while Zelda sort of just stayed the same.

Yeah...no, you can't really say that with a straight face when games have been doing pretty much the same thing over and over again this gen, and Zelda hasn't even had a proper current console game until Zelda SS...but its fine, like you say, we all have our likes and dislikes, you keep your cinematic scripted experiences, i'll keep my adventure games :)

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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Wow, you played only one Zelda game, that says a lot :lol;LastRambo341

Took you long enough to post such an incredibly stupid and meaningless reply. :lol:

K this battle is won. Time to engage in discussion with someone more capable of intelligent though and discussion.

No, but showing proof and making actually thought out replies in response to the nonesense and non-counter arguements you have posted does in fact show victory.;)

What were people watching? The video I watched showed them bashing the overall DATED...wait....VERY DATED mechanics and overall quality of graphics. I 100% agree with them....for how long will we have to shoot the arrow at the eye ball? Or put the bomb next to the crack in the wall? *Yawn*. I played every single Zelda and everytime I play the newest one it becomes less and less exciting to me. This will actually be the first time I dont buy a Zelda since I sold my Wii after Twilight Princess....Nintendo really needs to step it up next gen. I think G4 was being reasonable when they said games like Gears of War and Uncharted garner more excitement nowadays than games like Zelda because you know Gears and Uncharted are going to push the envelope technology wise...production value wise, graphically and you want to see what they can do with the current system limitations, while you know exactly what Zelda is going to be...Been there, done that.

SRTtoZ

You're describing a rather large chunk of the industry.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Took you long enough to post such an incredibly stupid and meaningless reply. :lol:

K this battle is won. Time to engage in discussion with someone more capable of intelligent though and discussion.

LostProphetFLCL

No, but showing proof and making actually thought out replies in response to the nonesense and non-counter arguements you have posted does in fact show victory.;)

If you are saying a game is bad because the graphics are bad (even though SS has pretty damn good graphics) then you really shouldn't be playing games.

Who the f*** cares what G4 thinks?

Who the f*** cares what G4 thinks?

DarkLink77

When they attack Nintendo and praise teh hardcore games, SW apparently.

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Who the f*** cares what G4 thinks?

madsnakehhh

When they attack Nintendo and praise teh hardcore games, SW apparently.

They are right on somethings, SS isn't that exciting, Zelda is getting too formulaic.White_Dreams

Have you not heard anything about Skyward Sword? There are some changes being made.