Morgan Webb slams Zelda: SS for cartoony graphics, praises UC3 for "Adults&

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Wow 15 pages just because someone said a nintendo game looks cartnoony? so what? it does look cartoony why so mad? i dont get it :P. so defensive wow

bbkkristian

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[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Wow 15 pages just because someone said a nintendo game looks cartnoony? so what? it does look cartoony why so mad? i dont get it :P. so defensive wow

The_Djoker

Personally... I lost interest in Zelda after the N64 era.

I agree with morgan that what they showed at this years E3...

Is what I would want SS to look like... But alas we'll have to wait..

Personally... I lost interest in Zelda after the N64 era.

I agree with morgan that what they showed at this years E3...

Is what I would want SS to look like... But alas we'll have to wait..

OhSnapitz

What does she want every game to have super realistic graphics and all look the samewhat will happen to creative artistic direction like SS and Murmasa Demon Blade. IMO Ilove SS graphics and I thinks it is one of the best looking games on wii.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Personally... I lost interest in Zelda after the N64 era.

I agree with morgan that what they showed at this years E3...

Is what I would want SS to look like... But alas we'll have to wait..

layton2012

What does she want every game to have super realistic graphics and all look the samewhat will happen to creative artistic direction like SS and Murmasa Demon Blade. IMO Ilove SS graphics and I thinks it is one of the best looking games on wii.

It doesn't have to display "super realistic graphics" but even the cartoon look isn't spectacular from what I've seen.

What does she want every game to have super realistic graphics and all look the samewhat will happen to creative artistic direction like SS and Murmasa Demon Blade. IMO Ilove SS graphics and I thinks it is one of the best looking games on wii.

layton2012

"Real" gamers don't want art st yle games. They want realistic games that look like B3 and have a gun. :roll: Art Style games wont be here much longer (read my full rant in my blog...)

At first I was like: Who? And then I saw her: Ah--I never really watched much of G4.

That said though, outside of a few pretty incongruous comments, they do have a point. I'm yet to truly see something that shows the new Zelda is headed in a fresh and exciting direction. Something that makes me wonder at the possibilities present in the title. So far, I've seen a lot that is tried and true. I'm interested in the new mechanics of the game, but it's not really marveling me.

That said, the game has me interested on the basis that I feel like playing an action adventure game in the same vein of Zelda this generation--the series still retains its magic for me, and this type of game in the genre is something that has been lacking a bit. But again, I need a bit more than that from the Zelda series in order to keep me excited about the games. I'm losing interest. The series is losing its sense of discovery and marvel, its sense of experimentation; of course you can still find that here--in gameplay mechanics--but coming from what has been shown, it's not enough for me. I want a more drastic change in the series. Does this mean that the game has to be completely revamped? No. It's perfectly possible to create a lot of fresh material--stuff that we could never expect from Zelda--while still maintaining the series integrity. I want the series to show more risk, to even possibly make mistakes in light of those risks and evolve according to that. I want the series to go beyond the "if it's not broke, don't fix it" mentality. That is all.

Now I'm perfectly aware that I might not get what I want--I don't require it, but it would be nice. If this isn't done, or achieved, then fine--chances are I'll still enjoy the game--but will the series gradually lose its magic to me until a point where I couldn't really care much about it anymore? Probably. Now we just have to wait and see what happens.

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[QUOTE="The_Djoker"] Where? not in that clip.The_Djoker

[QUOTE="layton2012"]

What does she want every game to have super realistic graphics and all look the samewhat will happen to creative artistic direction like SS and Murmasa Demon Blade. IMO Ilove SS graphics and I thinks it is one of the best looking games on wii.

bbkkristian

"Real" gamers don't want art st yle games. They want realistic games that look like B3 and have a gun. :roll: Art Style games wont be here much longer (read my full rant in my blog...)

At first I was like: Who? And then I saw her: Ah--I never really watched much of G4.

That said though, outside of a few pretty incongruous comments, they do have a point. I'm yet to truly see something that shows the new Zelda is headed in a fresh and exciting direction. Something that makes me wonder at the possibilities present in the title. So far, I've seen a lot that is tried and true. I'm interested in the new mechanics of the game, but it's not really marveling me.

That said, the game has me interested on the basis that I feel like playing an action adventure game in the same vein of Zelda this generation--the series still retains its magic for me, and this type of game in the genre is something that has been lacking a bit. But again, I need a bit more than that from the Zelda series in order to keep me excited about the games. I'm losing interest. The series is losing its sense of discovery and marvel, its sense of experimentation; of course you can still find that here--in gameplay mechanics--but coming from what has been shown, it's not enough for me. I want a more drastic change in the series. Does this mean that the game has to be completely revamped? No. It's perfectly possible to create a lot of fresh material--stuff that we could never expect from Zelda--while still maintaining the series integrity. I want the series to show more risk, to even possibly make mistakes in light of those risks and evolve according to that. I want the series to go beyond the "if it's not broke, don't fix it" mentality. That is all.

Now I'm perfectly aware that I might not get what I want--I don't require it, but it would be nice. If this isn't done, or achieved, then fine--chances are I'll still enjoy the game--but will the series gradually lose its magic to me until a point where I couldn't really care much about it anymore? Probably. Now we just have to wait and see what happens.

StealthSting

[QUOTE="layton2012"]

What does she want every game to have super realistic graphics and all look the samewhat will happen to creative artistic direction like SS and Murmasa Demon Blade. IMO Ilove SS graphics and I thinks it is one of the best looking games on wii.

bbkkristian

"Real" gamers don't want art st yle games. They want realistic games that look like B3 and have a gun. :roll: Art Style games wont be here much longer (read my full rant in my blog...)

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"]

What does she want every game to have super realistic graphics and all look the samewhat will happen to creative artistic direction like SS and Murmasa Demon Blade. IMO Ilove SS graphics and I thinks it is one of the best looking games on wii.

OhSnapitz

"Real" gamers don't want art st yle games. They want realistic games that look like B3 and have a gun. :roll: Art Style games wont be here much longer (read my full rant in my blog...)

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="The_Djoker"] Are you blind? uncharted has done a lot with it's engine technically. Do some research before talking rubbish. Zelda series cannot evolve in a 10 year old piece of junk tech like the wii no matter how miyamoto wants to evolve it.The_Djoker

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="The_Djoker"] Where? not in that clip.The_Djoker

if anything the changes from past zeldas to skyward sword are bigger than the changes from uncharted 2 to 3

[QUOTE="The_Djoker"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] She didn't use the exact word "innovative" but she said that Zelda was doing the same thing while Uncharted was changing up gameplay (notice no quotes) which I think is absurd because the only thing that was different between the jump from Uncharted 1 to 2 was the grenades button and the melee/stealth system.... SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE IN GAMEPLAY!! :o (sarcasm)

Shinobishyguy

if anything the changes from past zeldas to skyward sword are bigger than the changes from uncharted 2 to 3

My response

[QUOTE="The_Djoker"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Engine? You mean that thing that no one notices while playing the sequel? Must've passed my mind.bbkkristian

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="The_Djoker"] Are you serious? what are you 13? in fact don't answer that i can guess from your avatar.

The_Djoker

As for combat, if you're expecting it to be like Devil may cry, ofcourse it isn't "all that". Point is they made it more involving than past zeldas

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="The_Djoker"] Are you serious? what are you 13? in fact don't answer that i can guess from your avatar.

The_Djoker

(No one is a bigger Zelda fan than me :P :twisted: ) JK

but I am excited for Uncharted 3. The general reason why I play Uncharted is for its story, while with Zelda, I play for the new items, the 1 on 1 swordfighting, and a new story. :)

[QUOTE="PhazonBlazer"]

Who?

mrmusicman247

Co host of X-Play.

"who?"

"BOOBS"

someone who is a Zelda fan but isn't blind. Good post.

The_Djoker

I don't see why any Zelda fan would be blind. They love the games, they simply don't feel the same way about the series as I do, and that's perfectly fine--hell all the more power to them.

In all seriousness though, they argued for a case against Zelda not feeling fresh enough, in light of the quality seen in games like Uncharted. I could just as easily write an even bigger summary about Uncharted, as I did for Zelda. I'm still of the firm belief that people are exaggerating the hell out of the shooter situation this gen. Argue that the genre has seen a decline in some areas during the years--I find that to be reasonable--but I still experienced a lot of great shooters this gen that tried to do something new--games that took risks, and went beyond some of the boundaries stamped by other games in the genre. I can confidently say that Uncharted is not among them. The Uncharted series is praised for its quality--whether one agrees with the games critical reception is up to the gamer--but everything about Uncharted is tried and true, and as a series, it did little if nothing to evolve the genre it's a part of.

Hell I might even go so far as to say that I can understand why some gamers would be more excited for something like Zelda than Uncharted. Again, like I said, the Zelda series has a style in the genre that really hasn't been seen much this gen. Uncharted? It's on its third game and counting this gen, in a genre that has been pushed quite a bit since the time of Gears. Not saying that Uncharted doesn't have elements which make it feel fresh in comparison to its the competition--it does--but my point still stands.

So really, seeing Zelda fans being excited for a new Zelda isn't unreasonable at all--at least not in my eyes.

In the sense that I wish Zelda would take on a more mature theme similar to Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, I'll agree (they are by far considered the best Zelda games available, and as much as people want to fight it, it's take on a more serious art style had a lot to do with that).

However, I would never completely dismiss a game for it's graphics or art style either, and claim that a cartoony game is only for children.

I partly agree with her. I loved Wind Waker's art style and I thought it fit very well with the tone of the game, but SS looks like ****.

and who here hasn't wanted Zelda in HD? Graphics may not be the most important thing but that doesn't mean we can't have preferences.

And how does someone like Morgan Webb even have a job in the first place?Plamino

At least she can compose herself. The guy next to her is jittering like a crack addict.

[QUOTE="Plamino"] And how does someone like Morgan Webb even have a job in the first place?Ross_the_Boss6

At least she can compose herself. The guy next to her is jittering like a crack addict.

She didn't have to yawn like that. -__- *sigh*

In the sense that I wish Zelda would take on a more mature theme similar to Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, I'll agree (they are by far considered the best Zelda games available, and as much as people want to fight it, it's take on a more serious art style had a lot to do with that).

However, I would never completely dismiss a game for it's graphics or art style either, and claim that a cartoony game is only for children.

xYamatox

I don't get the whole OOT and MM seriousness. Those games didn't even have serious art styles or moments it was more the tone and the actual story that was dark. Putting the deku princess in a bottle, Maiko or whatever busting out his guitar on his deathbead, being chased by Gorons who want a hug. The actual presentation of those games was more silly than anything TP is the only Serious game in the franchise and since pretty much everyone here hates (not me) I don't get the whole "give me ma surieous Zeldaaaa!!"

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]

[QUOTE="PhazonBlazer"]

Who?

BrunoBRS

Co host of X-Play.

"who?"

"BOOBS"

apparently she has boobs so her opinion matters in gamespot *sigh*

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

In the sense that I wish Zelda would take on a more mature theme similar to Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, I'll agree (they are by far considered the best Zelda games available, and as much as people want to fight it, it's take on a more serious art style had a lot to do with that).

However, I would never completely dismiss a game for it's graphics or art style either, and claim that a cartoony game is only for children.

Jolt_counter119

I don't get the whole OOT and MM seriousness. Those games didn't even have serious art styles or moments it was more the tone and the actual story that was dark. Putting the deku princess in a bottle, Maiko or whatever busting out his guitar on his deathbead, being chased by Gorons who want a hug. The actual presentation of those games was more silly than anything TP is the only Serious game in the franchise and since pretty much everyone here hates (not me) I don't get the whole "give me ma surieous Zeldaaaa!!"

To be honest, it is those goofy moments that happen in the game that actually make the darker more bleak aspects of OoT and MM stand out that much more. The game does an amazing job at keeping a sort of childish charm, while presenting it's own adult-themed concepts in the mix. The best example I can think of is in OoT, and the moment you find and attain the Master Sword. The game fasts forward years into the future only to find the once lively/goofy town turned into a barren wasteland filled with animated dead corpses. Those happy and jolly folk who you smiled at for being so carefree and goofy earlier in the game are now quite possibly these shambling creatures now looking to harm you (themes of death, which most E rated games would consider taboo to even think of tackling).

It's the subtle things that OoT and MM did that had a huge impact on the dark feeling a lot of players got from it, and none of those things (at least in my opinion) would have had nearly the same impact if the game donned a Wind Waker-esq artstyle.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

In the sense that I wish Zelda would take on a more mature theme similar to Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, I'll agree (they are by far considered the best Zelda games available, and as much as people want to fight it, it's take on a more serious art style had a lot to do with that).

However, I would never completely dismiss a game for it's graphics or art style either, and claim that a cartoony game is only for children.

xYamatox

I don't get the whole OOT and MM seriousness. Those games didn't even have serious art styles or moments it was more the tone and the actual story that was dark. Putting the deku princess in a bottle, Maiko or whatever busting out his guitar on his deathbead, being chased by Gorons who want a hug. The actual presentation of those games was more silly than anything TP is the only Serious game in the franchise and since pretty much everyone here hates (not me) I don't get the whole "give me ma surieous Zeldaaaa!!"

To be honest, it is those goofy moments that happen in the game that actually make the darker more bleak aspects of OoT and MM stand out that much more. The game does an amazing job at keeping a sort of childish charm, while presenting it's own adult-themed concepts in the mix. The best example I can think of is in OoT, and the moment you find and attain the Master Sword. The game fasts forward years into the future only to find the once lively/goofy town turned into a barren wasteland filled with animated dead corpses. Those happy and jolly folk who you smiled at for being so carefree and goofy earlier in the game are now quite possibly these shambling creatures now looking to harm you (themes of death, which most E rated games would consider taboo to even think of tackling).

It's the subtle things that OoT and MM did that had a huge impact on the dark feeling a lot of players got from it, and none of those things (at least in my opinion) would have had nearly the same impact if the game donned a Wind Waker-esq artstyle.

lol Wind Waker had a dark theme too. The gods straight up flooded the world. Who knows how many people died in that.

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

I don't get the whole OOT and MM seriousness. Those games didn't even have serious art styles or moments it was more the tone and the actual story that was dark. Putting the deku princess in a bottle, Maiko or whatever busting out his guitar on his deathbead, being chased by Gorons who want a hug. The actual presentation of those games was more silly than anything TP is the only Serious game in the franchise and since pretty much everyone here hates (not me) I don't get the whole "give me ma surieous Zeldaaaa!!"

Jolt_counter119

To be honest, it is those goofy moments that happen in the game that actually make the darker more bleak aspects of OoT and MM stand out that much more. The game does an amazing job at keeping a sort of childish charm, while presenting it's own adult-themed concepts in the mix. The best example I can think of is in OoT, and the moment you find and attain the Master Sword. The game fasts forward years into the future only to find the once lively/goofy town turned into a barren wasteland filled with animated dead corpses. Those happy and jolly folk who you smiled at for being so carefree and goofy earlier in the game are now quite possibly these shambling creatures now looking to harm you (themes of death, which most E rated games would consider taboo to even think of tackling).

It's the subtle things that OoT and MM did that had a huge impact on the dark feeling a lot of players got from it, and none of those things (at least in my opinion) would have had nearly the same impact if the game donned a Wind Waker-esq artstyle.

lol Wind Waker had a dark theme too. The gods straight up flooded the world. Who knows how many people died in that.

Your example is nothing like the one I gave.

You basically said a town you personally have no connection with got flooded. I'm basically saying your home town got flooded. There is a very big difference.

She doesn't even play games.

[QUOTE="Plamino"] And how does someone like Morgan Webb even have a job in the first place?Ross_the_Boss6

At least she can compose herself. The guy next to her is jittering like a crack addict.

Sessler's a really cool guy. :/

Who actually plays games and know's what he's talking about.

I guess she can have her own opinion, but I disagree because I think Skyward Sword artwork is amazing and will be the last great game on the Wii. As for G4 I think they are a joke these days and I just can't them seriously anymore.

I would also like to point out that I feel everyone is drastically over exaggerating her responds to Skyward Sword.

Not surpirsed by what she said but I'll just say I strongly disagree with her and am glad htat I stopped watching that show a long time ago.

Yes, lets get angry or support a she-host who probably reads through scripts to come off as someone informed in the gaming scene.

C'mon people, she yawned and complained about lack of HD graphics and mature presentation. She knows as much about SS as whatever that videoclip showed her in rehersals.

Sessler however, has no excuses. Complaining about the lack of new things in Zelda right after gushing over the third entry of Uncharted and the fifth of Assassins Creed to come out this gen was just terrible. Specially considering the stuff SS is doing to the franchise.

He has a rather big name in the medium, he did not live up to it here. At all. As for Morgan, yawn indeed.

I would also like to point out that I feel everyone is drastically over exaggerating her responds to Skyward Sword.

xYamatox

It wasn't so much her response to SS but her response after UC3. Strip away the the cinematic scripted scenes and the beautiful evironments and cut to the gameplay and puzzles and there is nothing really exciting about it. Why do you think the online multiplayer is so downplayed compared to Gears and Halo, because it just isn't as fun as those games, it's the experience that makes it fun. But it won all these awards and it's "mature" so they get hyped but Zelda that's a kids game "yawn" even with all the changes.

Then they praise AC for changing the formula every iteration. No they haven't, they added new missions varieties SS is adding much more to the Zelda series than AC or UC are doing for their series. It's just typical blind hate is what's annoying, I don't think they've been keeping up with SS at all to be spouting such nonsense.

This is all my opinion by the way.

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

I would also like to point out that I feel everyone is drastically over exaggerating her responds to Skyward Sword.

Jolt_counter119

It wasn't so much her response to SS but her response after UC3. Strip away the the cinematic scripted scenes and the beautiful evironments and cut to the gameplay and puzzles and there is nothing really exciting about it. Why do you think the online multiplayer is so downplayed compared to Gears and Halo, because it just isn't as fun as those games, it's the experience that makes it fun. But it won all these awards and it's "mature" so they get hyped but Zelda that's a kids game "yawn" even with all the changes.

Then they praise AC for changing the formula every iteration. No they haven't, they added new missions varieties SS is adding much more to the Zelda series than AC or UC are doing for their series. It's just typical blind hate is what's annoying, I don't think they've been keeping up with SS at all to be spouting such nonsense.

This is all my opinion by the way.

Actually, alot of what you said are irrefutable facts.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

I would also like to point out that I feel everyone is drastically over exaggerating her responds to Skyward Sword.

Thunderdrone

It wasn't so much her response to SS but her response after UC3. Strip away the the cinematic scripted scenes and the beautiful evironments and cut to the gameplay and puzzles and there is nothing really exciting about it. Why do you think the online multiplayer is so downplayed compared to Gears and Halo, because it just isn't as fun as those games, it's the experience that makes it fun. But it won all these awards and it's "mature" so they get hyped but Zelda that's a kids game "yawn" even with all the changes.

Then they praise AC for changing the formula every iteration. No they haven't, they added new missions varieties SS is adding much more to the Zelda series than AC or UC are doing for their series. It's just typical blind hate is what's annoying, I don't think they've been keeping up with SS at all to be spouting such nonsense.

This is all my opinion by the way.

Actually, alot of what you said are irrefutable facts.

"Fact" takes on a very interesting meaning in SW ...

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

I would also like to point out that I feel everyone is drastically over exaggerating her responds to Skyward Sword.

Thunderdrone

It wasn't so much her response to SS but her response after UC3. Strip away the the cinematic scripted scenes and the beautiful evironments and cut to the gameplay and puzzles and there is nothing really exciting about it. Why do you think the online multiplayer is so downplayed compared to Gears and Halo, because it just isn't as fun as those games, it's the experience that makes it fun. But it won all these awards and it's "mature" so they get hyped but Zelda that's a kids game "yawn" even with all the changes.

Then they praise AC for changing the formula every iteration. No they haven't, they added new missions varieties SS is adding much more to the Zelda series than AC or UC are doing for their series. It's just typical blind hate is what's annoying, I don't think they've been keeping up with SS at all to be spouting such nonsense.

This is all my opinion by the way.

Actually, alot of what you said are irrefutable facts.

she needs to be hit by a bus, her comments are a disgrace "gamers", which clearly she's not

"Fact" takes on a very interesting meaning in SW ...

hakanakumono

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]"Fact" takes on a very interesting meaning in SW ...

Thunderdrone

Who?