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#901 GreenGoblin2099
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

I wonder why they gave it those titles.

finalfantasy94

It's probably like how Namco named certain characters themes in Tekken 2. An example (or two), is how Lei's theme is named "The Place" in the Arranged Soundtrack (Arcade's theme is named "Super Police", but that title suits him)

I could understand death stalker for scorp but wth is helado?

Helado is spanish for either ice-cream or cold.

Anyway, I wonder why only those 2 have funny names and the rest is just "X" theme.

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#902 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]It's probably like how Namco named certain characters themes in Tekken 2. An example (or two), is how Lei's theme is named "The Place" in the Arranged Soundtrack (Arcade's theme is named "Super Police", but that title suits him)

GreenGoblin2099

I could understand death stalker for scorp but wth is helado?

Helado is spanish for either ice-cream or cold.

Anyway, I wonder why only those 2 have funny names and the rest is just "X" theme.

Ah thanks for the explanation. Im guessing they got a special name since they are proboly the most popular and well known characters in the game series.

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#903 finalfantasy94
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I downloaded the demo today, and as one of the main detractors of the MK franchise, i have to say, i was pretty impressed with it, it really feels like the old MK games, i mean, i didn't like 3 that much, 4 was ok and from there it all went downhill, but i really liked 2 and this one feels like 2, you know, no running and no weapons, the combos seem as deep as any other fighter outhere, but one thing i didn't like it, was that super X-Ray move, too much damage for just pressing both triggers and the animation get's old quickly, however, i was convinced with the demo, besides the roster is pretty good.

Honestly, i liked it, if the online works fine, i might get this instead of MvC3...who would have guess.

madsnakehhh

Its suppose to work like that its on the same level as SSF4 ultra bar. Its a comeback move and its not like its not unblockable. Its a high risk high reward type of thing. If you do it and miss you leave your self open and your whole bar is gone. So in those terms I think its well balanced mechanic. Also the whole animation getting boring can be said for any specials in any game. Kinda like again being caught in a ultra in SSF4. Those things usally dont get old to me personally.

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#904 Salt_The_Fries
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Anyone noticed that Ermac is now more of Lich-like creature instead of just another (red) ninja fighter? I like that.

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#905 nintendoboy16
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Anyone noticed that Ermac is now more of Litch-like creature instead of just another (red) ninja fighter? I like that.Salt_The_Fries
It was like that in Deception and Armageddon and I have to agree since Ermac is a warrior of many souls and not just one being (unlike Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Noob Saibot, etc).

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#906 Lu-Kang
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[QUOTE="Salt_The_Fries"]Anyone noticed that Ermac is now more of Litch-like creature instead of just another (red) ninja fighter? I like that.nintendoboy16

It was like that in Deception and Armageddon and I have to agree since Ermac is a warrior of many souls and not just one being (unlike Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Noob Saibot, etc).

We are many; you are but one.

:D

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#907 sandbox3d
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="Salt_The_Fries"]Anyone noticed that Ermac is now more of Litch-like creature instead of just another (red) ninja fighter? I like that.Lu-Kang

It was like that in Deception and Armageddon and I have to agree since Ermac is a warrior of many souls and not just one being (unlike Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Noob Saibot, etc).

We are many; you are but one.

:D

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#908 madsnakehhh
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

I downloaded the demo today, and as one of the main detractors of the MK franchise, i have to say, i was pretty impressed with it, it really feels like the old MK games, i mean, i didn't like 3 that much, 4 was ok and from there it all went downhill, but i really liked 2 and this one feels like 2, you know, no running and no weapons, the combos seem as deep as any other fighter outhere, but one thing i didn't like it, was that super X-Ray move, too much damage for just pressing both triggers and the animation get's old quickly, however, i was convinced with the demo, besides the roster is pretty good.

Honestly, i liked it, if the online works fine, i might get this instead of MvC3...who would have guess.

finalfantasy94

Its suppose to work like that its on the same level as SSF4 ultra bar. Its a comeback move and its not like its not unblockable. Its a high risk high reward type of thing. If you do it and miss you leave your self open and your whole bar is gone. So in those terms I think its well balanced mechanic. Also the whole animation getting boring can be said for any specials in any game. Kinda like again being caught in a ultra in SSF4. Those things usally dont get old to me personally.

I think you have to work a lot more in SSF4 to connect the ultra but never mind, but yeah it did leave you wide open for a counter i didn't realize it at first since it was the first time i played the demo, but after a few rounds with my cousins i can see is not as broken as i initially thought, however i stand by my point by saying that the animation can get boring fast, i don't know, but i like a lot more the ultras in SSF4 as well as the super moves in BB, personal preferences i think.

Other than that, like i said, the game feels great, much, much better than i initially thought.

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#909 lbjkurono23
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I downloaded the demo today, and as one of the main detractors of the MK franchise, i have to say, i was pretty impressed with it, it really feels like the old MK games, i mean, i didn't like 3 that much, 4 was ok and from there it all went downhill, but i really liked 2 and this one feels like 2, you know, no running and no weapons, the combos seem as deep as any other fighter outhere, but one thing i didn't like it, was that super X-Ray move, too much damage for just pressing both triggers and the animation get's old quickly, however, i was convinced with the demo, besides the roster is pretty good.

Honestly, i liked it, if the online works fine, i might get this instead of MvC3...who would have guess.

madsnakehhh
Late April fools? :P jk
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#910 Swift_Boss_A
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Rewatching the videos and interviews and not to mention the demo has confirmed that MK9 is my most anticipated fighting game since TTT. Just under 3 weeks now, I can do it !

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#911 madsnakehhh
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

I downloaded the demo today, and as one of the main detractors of the MK franchise, i have to say, i was pretty impressed with it, it really feels like the old MK games, i mean, i didn't like 3 that much, 4 was ok and from there it all went downhill, but i really liked 2 and this one feels like 2, you know, no running and no weapons, the combos seem as deep as any other fighter outhere, but one thing i didn't like it, was that super X-Ray move, too much damage for just pressing both triggers and the animation get's old quickly, however, i was convinced with the demo, besides the roster is pretty good.

Honestly, i liked it, if the online works fine, i might get this instead of MvC3...who would have guess.

lbjkurono23

Late April fools? :P jk

:lol: It would seem, but no, i'm dead serious, btw, Mileena was my favorite character in the demo.

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#912 Swift_Boss_A
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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

I downloaded the demo today, and as one of the main detractors of the MK franchise, i have to say, i was pretty impressed with it, it really feels like the old MK games, i mean, i didn't like 3 that much, 4 was ok and from there it all went downhill, but i really liked 2 and this one feels like 2, you know, no running and no weapons, the combos seem as deep as any other fighter outhere, but one thing i didn't like it, was that super X-Ray move, too much damage for just pressing both triggers and the animation get's old quickly, however, i was convinced with the demo, besides the roster is pretty good.

Honestly, i liked it, if the online works fine, i might get this instead of MvC3...who would have guess.

madsnakehhh

Late April fools? :P jk

:lol: It would seem, but no, i'm dead serious, btw, Mileena was my favorite character in the demo.

I personally enjoyed the demo a lot more than I thought and can see myself playing MK9 more than I ever did with SSF4.

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#913 mrmusicman247
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15 days....I want to start owning people with Sub-Zero now! :cry:
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#914 lbjkurono23
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:lol: It would seem, but no, i'm dead serious, btw, Mileena was my favorite character in the demo.

madsnakehhh

Glad you enjoyed it :P, and she's quite awesome. :D

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#915 finalfantasy94
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Anyone els getting tired of the demo. I mean I played it a ungodly amount of times already since it came out and I can already smash the 4 characters they throw on you on extreme. I just wanna use different characters already. I want to play as my other characters who will be part of my teams ala jade,kabal and stryker.

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#916 Swift_Boss_A
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15 days....I want to start owning people with Sub-Zero now! :cry:mrmusicman247

OH YEAH! Not if I pwn you with Subby first :P

Anyone els getting tired of the demo. I mean I played it a ungodly amount of times already since it came out and I can already smash the 4 characters they throw on you on extreme. I just wanna use different characters already. I want to play as my other characters who will be part of my teams ala jade,kabal and stryker.

finalfantasy94

Ive mostly played with Sub zero for the past 3-4 weeks and I am still not bored, I must say MK9 is looking like it will beat the record of my most played title so far this gen. Currently held by MGS4(1st) and Demon's Souls(2nd) with over 200 hours of play time.

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#917 finalfantasy94
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For those who were interested in the samples put up on the thread before.

full MK album on stream heres the link

http://music.aol.com/new-releases-full-cds/#/8

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#918 finalfantasy94
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Not sure if put up but sonya vs reptile

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/mortal-kombat-9-sonya-vs-reptile/356998?playlist=featured

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... i wish i had enough money for that kollektors ed.. :(.. i want that scorpion and subby figures.
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#920 NaveedLife
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Not sure if put up but sony vs reptile

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/mortal-kombat-9-sonya-vs-reptile/356998?playlist=featured

finalfantasy94

Holy crap, Sony is a character now! :P

Thanks for the vid.

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#921 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Not sure if put up but sony vs reptile

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/mortal-kombat-9-sonya-vs-reptile/356998?playlist=featured

NaveedLife

Holy crap, Sony is a character now! :P

Thanks for the vid.

lol woops just noticed that.

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#922 NaveedLife
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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Not sure if put up but sony vs reptile

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/mortal-kombat-9-sonya-vs-reptile/356998?playlist=featured

finalfantasy94

Holy crap, Sony is a character now! :P

Thanks for the vid.

lol woops just noticed that.

Sonya is awesome, but reptile is the only lame looking character in the game. Good thing I am getting his costume from Amazon lol.

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#923 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Holy crap, Sony is a character now! :P

Thanks for the vid.

NaveedLife

lol woops just noticed that.

Sonya is awesome, but reptile is the only lame looking character in the game. Good thing I am getting his costume from Amazon lol.

Who knows he may have a cool alt costume.

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#924 finalfantasy94
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Any ever seen this odd video of jade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6rLRfX0p8



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#925 mrmusicman247
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Any ever seen this odd video of jade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6rLRfX0p8

finalfantasy94

...

I think Jade is my new favorite character.

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#926 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Any ever seen this odd video of jade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6rLRfX0p8

mrmusicman247

...

I think Jade is my new favorite character.

This just helped me solidify her even more as my favorite female character:P

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#927 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Any ever seen this odd video of jade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6rLRfX0p8

finalfantasy94

...

I think Jade is my new favorite character.

This just helped me solidify her even more as my favorite female character:P

Someone had too much fun making that video. :P
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Any ever seen this odd video of jade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6rLRfX0p8



finalfantasy94

lol yeah, her promo for the girl gone wired thing a while back, don't know if she won.

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#929 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Any ever seen this odd video of jade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6rLRfX0p8



archvile_78

lol yeah, her promo for the girl gone wired thing a while back, don't know if she won.

She lost I think.

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#930 NaveedLife
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So who already has it pre-ordered? I am thinking of pre-ordering right now from Amazon :). Cannot wait to kick all your buts online :P. Haha I am not going to go online at first honestly though, cause I think I will suck :P. Gonna practice a lot before I hope online.

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#931 Swift_Boss_A
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Any ever seen this odd video of jade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6rLRfX0p8



finalfantasy94

Ahem :|

I enjoy that a little too much....

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#932 lusitanogamer
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Any ever seen this odd video of jade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6rLRfX0p8



Swift_Boss_A

Ahem :|

I enjoy that a little too much....

You're not the only one.:P

Here's a relatively new video with some X-Ray moves.

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#933 MickeyTheNinja
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If this game gets anything below a 9, i'll leave GS forever.
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#934 mrmusicman247
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MK9 has gone gold, people.

Also there will be a live action mini series that will premiere one week before it comes out. Remember that AWESOME trailer last year? :D

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#935 Swift_Boss_A
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^^^

EXCELLENT

Yes

I remember the ol TV series of MK in the early noughties(00s). Such a kick ass weekly show with SO MUCH CLEAVAGE :o

Boon and Team are sparing no expanses putting MK back into the minds of gamers, the franchise I feel is now(or when the game releases lol) at its peak.

Street Fighter and Tekken, aat your heart out.

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#936 Swift_Boss_A
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Street Fighter Producer talks MK

"In Street Fighter when you pull off the Hadoken command you see a fireball, but in Street Fighter philosophy seeing the fireball fly over isn't the main draw, it's the decision making process in when to pull it off - that is what is important, Whereas I think in Mortal Kombat once you pull it off you enjoy the result of what happens with the fireball effect and when you do it doesn't really matter as long as it hits."

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I don't know about you guys but I think I sense fear in his words, lol.

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#937 Salt_The_Fries
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Street Fighter Producer talks MK

"In Street Fighter when you pull off the Hadoken command you see a fireball, but in Street Fighter philosophy seeing the fireball fly over isn't the main draw, it's the decision making process in when to pull it off - that is what is important, Whereas I think in Mortal Kombat once you pull it off you enjoy the result of what happens with the fireball effect and when you do it doesn't really matter as long as it hits."

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I don't know about you guys but I think I sense fear in his words, lol.

Swift_Boss_A
I'd say it's a phallacy.
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#938 Arach666
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Street Fighter Producer talks MK

"In Street Fighter when you pull off the Hadoken command you see a fireball, but in Street Fighter philosophy seeing the fireball fly over isn't the main draw, it's the decision making process in when to pull it off - that is what is important, Whereas I think in Mortal Kombat once you pull it off you enjoy the result of what happens with the fireball effect and when you do it doesn't really matter as long as it hits."

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I don't know about you guys but I think I sense fear in his words, lol.

Swift_Boss_A

You can smell the fear in Ono´s eyes,the man knows that MK is the real deal,otherwise he wouldn´t feel the need to coment. ;)

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#939 finalfantasy94
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Street Fighter Producer talks MK

"In Street Fighter when you pull off the Hadoken command you see a fireball, but in Street Fighter philosophy seeing the fireball fly over isn't the main draw, it's the decision making process in when to pull it off - that is what is important, Whereas I think in Mortal Kombat once you pull it off you enjoy the result of what happens with the fireball effect and when you do it doesn't really matter as long as it hits."

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I don't know about you guys but I think I sense fear in his words, lol.

Swift_Boss_A

Yea that doesint make any sense. Since in MK its also about making the right choice when to pull it off. I dont do the move just to see the pretty ice or spear. I do it to connect a combo.

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#940 Salt_The_Fries
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[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

Street Fighter Producer talks MK

"In Street Fighter when you pull off the Hadoken command you see a fireball, but in Street Fighter philosophy seeing the fireball fly over isn't the main draw, it's the decision making process in when to pull it off - that is what is important, Whereas I think in Mortal Kombat once you pull it off you enjoy the result of what happens with the fireball effect and when you do it doesn't really matter as long as it hits."

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I don't know about you guys but I think I sense fear in his words, lol.

finalfantasy94

Yea that doesint make any sense. Since in MK its also about making the right choice when to pull it off. I dont do the move just to see the pretty ice or spear. I do it to connect a combo.

If it wasn't about making the right choice when to pull it of, the game would be pointless. But then he says 'as long as it hits' (your opponent)...So what's his problem then?
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#941 Swift_Boss_A
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Yea that doesint make any sense. Since in MK its also about making the right choice when to pull it off. I dont do the move just to see the pretty ice or spear. I do it to connect a combo.

Salt_The_Fries

If it wasn't about making the right choice when to pull it of, the game would be pointless. But then he says 'as long as it hits' (your opponent)...So what's his problem then?

I too felt it made no sense, either it's bad translation or he is at a loss for words/confused due to how awesome MK9 looks and plays.

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#942 Cherokee_Jack
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Street Fighter Producer talks MK

"In Street Fighter when you pull off the Hadoken command you see a fireball, but in Street Fighter philosophy seeing the fireball fly over isn't the main draw, it's the decision making process in when to pull it off - that is what is important, Whereas I think in Mortal Kombat once you pull it off you enjoy the result of what happens with the fireball effect and when you do it doesn't really matter as long as it hits."

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I don't know about you guys but I think I sense fear in his words, lol.

Swift_Boss_A

I think he might just be saying that Street Fighter is more timing-based than MK. But it's just as likely a veiled insult. I'm sure the Street Fighter team thinks MK is a joke because it's made by Americans.

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#943 Swift_Boss_A
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I think he might just be saying that Street Fighter is more timing-based than MK. But it's just as likely a veiled insult. I'm sure the Street Fighter team thinks MK is a joke because it's made by Americans.

Cherokee_Jack

The first smack-talk has been thrown, give em hell Boon!

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#944 mitu123
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MK9 has gone gold, people.

Also there will be a live action mini series that will premiere one week before it comes out. Remember that AWESOME trailer last year? :D

mrmusicman247
Oh my god, that is awesome news. Another live action short, I wonder what's going on, they really should make another MK movie.
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#945 NaveedLife
Member since 2010 • 17179 Posts

Street Fighter Producer talks MK

"In Street Fighter when you pull off the Hadoken command you see a fireball, but in Street Fighter philosophy seeing the fireball fly over isn't the main draw, it's the decision making process in when to pull it off - that is what is important, Whereas I think in Mortal Kombat once you pull it off you enjoy the result of what happens with the fireball effect and when you do it doesn't really matter as long as it hits."

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I don't know about you guys but I think I sense fear in his words, lol.

Swift_Boss_A

LOL, if anything MK requires more timing, due to the much different sty1e of projectiles and such.

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#946 nintendoboy16
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^^^

EXCELLENT

Yes

I remember the ol TV series of MK in the early noughties(00s). Such a kick ass weekly show with SO MUCH CLEAVAGE :o

Boon and Team are sparing no expanses putting MK back into the minds of gamers, the franchise I feel is now(or when the game releases lol) at its peak.

Street Fighter and Tekken, aat your heart out.

Swift_Boss_A

You talking about Mortal Kombat Conquest? I saw a few episodes of that and while I found the fight scenes decent, I think they ****ed up on one thing:

[spoiler] Writing in Noob Saibot. Isn't he supposed to be the Elder Sub-Zero? Isn't that show supposed to be MANY years before the first game/film? [/spoiler]

I will also agree that the amount of cleavage in that show was... well :oops:

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#947 nintendoboy16
Member since 2007 • 42247 Posts

Street Fighter Producer talks MK

"In Street Fighter when you pull off the Hadoken command you see a fireball, but in Street Fighter philosophy seeing the fireball fly over isn't the main draw, it's the decision making process in when to pull it off - that is what is important, Whereas I think in Mortal Kombat once you pull it off you enjoy the result of what happens with the fireball effect and when you do it doesn't really matter as long as it hits."

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I don't know about you guys but I think I sense fear in his words, lol.

Swift_Boss_A

Sounds like Ono is talking like what non-MK fans think about the series.

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#948 archvile_78
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Oh my god, that is awesome news. Another live action short, I wonder what's going on, they really should make another MK movie.mitu123

As long as they're not as horrible as the last two i could see it happen. :P Only 12 days to go.

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#949 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

Street Fighter Producer talks MK

"In Street Fighter when you pull off the Hadoken command you see a fireball, but in Street Fighter philosophy seeing the fireball fly over isn't the main draw, it's the decision making process in when to pull it off - that is what is important, Whereas I think in Mortal Kombat once you pull it off you enjoy the result of what happens with the fireball effect and when you do it doesn't really matter as long as it hits."

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I don't know about you guys but I think I sense fear in his words, lol.

Cherokee_Jack

I think he might just be saying that Street Fighter is more timing-based than MK. But it's just as likely a veiled insult. I'm sure the Street Fighter team thinks MK is a joke because it's made by Americans.

They probably think it was a joke because of some bad apples in the MK franchise and the fact they game isn't taken seriously on a competitive platform.

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#950 Swift_Boss_A
Member since 2007 • 14579 Posts

You talking about Mortal Kombat Conquest? I saw a few episodes of that and while I found the fight scenes decent, I think they ****ed up on one thing:

Writing in Noob Saibot. Isn't he supposed to be the Elder Sub-Zero? Isn't that show supposed to be MANY years before the first game/film?

I will also agree that the amount of cleavage in that show was... well :oops:

nintendoboy16

Yeah Konquest, you forgot the 'K' :P Don't remember much of the story and may well have been no good but I agree the action scenes were nice. Sucks that the show ended on a cliff-hanger but what-ever. This mini-series is gonna be sweet, I feel MK translates the best to live action out of all the fighting games, hopefully the game resurrects appeal on a possible 3rd film. We need another great MK film to wipe our memories of the second one.

Sounds like Ono is talking like what non-MK fans think about the series.

nintendoboy16

I doubt he even played MK, probably feels the games are beneath him or something, lol.