MS will be in a really bad position when they release their next console

I don't think so, MS will probably be the one console this gen that'll have BC next gen, which I doubt either the next Nintendo and Sony consoles will have. Sony is strong on games, they've their own studios and enough IPs, but I do think MS has enough money to buy exclusives again, this time around they've probably learned their lesson and will try to acquire the IPs instead of leasing time exclusivity, and just this last fiscal year they made like $18.76 billion in net profits compared to Sony's $437 million, they can risk more easily to assert market dominance... enough anyway to keep them relevant. Let's not also forget that a huge part of any consoles catalog is the multiplats, which I'm sure they'll have as well.lamprey263

For alot of reasons I'll bullet point them for coinvinence and readability

-Lack of quality exclusives: It's no secret that MSes 1st party is the weakest of the 3 and add to that the fact that they pretty much destroyed (rare), sold off (bioware) or failed to secure (epic/bungie) next gen they will be in the weakest position launch lineup wise, and even if they commision games to be made people will be skepticial if they will retain exclusivity will all the timed exclusive deals MS has done in the past

momentum_god

Lack of quality exclusives? The Xbox exclusive lineup was tiny compared to the other consoles. Did that stop the Xbox 360 from having a nice selection of exclusives and an awesome selection of multiplatform games? Hmm. Reliability? Did I take a time machine back to 2007? Majority of Xbox 360 owners have a solid reliable product, and the ones who have the new Xbox 360 Slim are more than well supplied with a solid product. I don't even know where to begin there... lol. Online? If anything judging by the online of the Wii, the online of the PS3 (lol), then Xbox Live service will *bring* more folks to the Xbox. lol.Stevo_the_gamer

So you are saying that 360 failrate being a massive issue for years before being fixed won't make people concerned about their next consolemomentum_god

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]

For alot of reasons I'll bullet point them for coinvinence and readability

-Lack of quality exclusives: It's no secret that MSes 1st party is the weakest of the 3 and add to that the fact that they pretty much destroyed (rare), sold off (bioware) or failed to secure (epic/bungie) next gen they will be in the weakest position launch lineup wise, and even if they commision games to be made people will be skepticial if they will retain exclusivity will all the timed exclusive deals MS has done in the past

Salt_The_Fries

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Lack of quality exclusives? The Xbox exclusive lineup was tiny compared to the other consoles. Did that stop the Xbox 360 from having a nice selection of exclusives and an awesome selection of multiplatform games? Hmm. Reliability? Did I take a time machine back to 2007? Majority of Xbox 360 owners have a solid reliable product, and the ones who have the new Xbox 360 Slim are more than well supplied with a solid product. I don't even know where to begin there... lol. Online? If anything judging by the online of the Wii, the online of the PS3 (lol), then Xbox Live service will *bring* more folks to the Xbox. lol.MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] So you are saying that 360 failrate being a massive issue for years before being fixed won't make people concerned about their next console because it was fixed 5 years later and that psn being hacked once and being fixed and improved in a month will cause people to flock to xbl, wow just wow, fanboy and MS doesn't have the devs they lost all their devs and they won't have the 3rd party support domination they had this gen momentum_god

So you are saying that 360 failrate being a massive issue for years before being fixed won't make people concerned about their next console because it was fixed 5 years later

and that psn being hacked once and being fixed and improved in a month will cause people to flock to xbl a rip off which is no more secure, wow just wow, and MS doesn't have the devs they lost all their devs and they won't have the 3rd party support domination they had this genmomentum_god

lol. Longest sentence ever. Did the PS1 or PS2 hardware issues stop people from purchasing the PS3, or PS2? Hmm. Xbox 360 reliability concerns are thing of the past. It was a large issue for a couple of years, then died down steadily until the new console SKUs released, and then finally the Xbox 360 Slim which is the best Xbox 360 yet--and considering how popular the Xbox 360 has been as of late, I don't think reliability concerns are in the minds of consumers.

I think we both know which online is better in the grand scheme of things, and while I'm not security expert... I think the fact that the Xbox Live service hasn't experienced a major--and I mean major--issue like this PSN ordeal is a testament to something at least. I just watched Sky News do a report on PSN... lol. Members of the US Congress are calling for an investigation... Goodness!

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] I dunno, TC. I just played the Gears of War 3 beta a bit ago... Man, all I can say is that Uncharted 3 better be packing some heat because so far nothing on the PS3 can touch it. That game will sell many many 360s come this fall and that franchise alone could carry the Xbox to its grave - not to mention Halo. MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="momentum_god"] So you are saying that 360 failrate being a massive issue for years before being fixed won't make people concerned about their next console because it was fixed 5 years later

and that psn being hacked once and being fixed and improved in a month will cause people to flock to xbl a rip off which is no more secure, wow just wow, and MS doesn't have the devs they lost all their devs and they won't have the 3rd party support domination they had this genStevo_the_gamer

lol. Longest sentence ever. Did the PS1 or PS2 hardware issues stop people from purchasing the PS3, or PS2? Hmm. Xbox 360 reliability concerns are thing of the past. It was a large issue for a couple of years, then died down steadily until the new console SKUs released, and then finally the Xbox 360 Slim which is the best Xbox 360 yet--and considering how popular the Xbox 360 has been as of late, I don't think reliability concerns are in the minds of consumers.

I think we both know which online is better in the grand scheme of things, and while I'm not security expert... I think the fact that the Xbox Live service hasn't experienced a major--and I mean major--issue like this PSN ordeal is a testament to something at least. I just watched Sky News do a report on PSN... lol. Members of the US Congress are calling for an investigation... Goodness!

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] Neither of which MS has secured the devs bungies gone and epic will be to and halo and gears cannot carry a console through a gen, MS won't have the price point or 3rd party support domination this time

momentum_god

Sure... And Trump will be our next president:shock:

Sure... And Trump will be our next president:shock:

usule

Sure... And Trump will be our next president:shock:

usule

The short or the long form?

The short or the long form?

usule

[QUOTE="usule"]

Sure... And Trump will be our next president:shock:

Andrew_Xavier

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] What do you mean? Gears has already helped carry them through this gen and Halo has carried them through 2. The fact is that there are tons of people out there eating this crap up, and as long as MS can keep dishing them out they will continue to sell consoles. Just saying. MrSelf-Destruct

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[QUOTE="momentum_god"] Will sell some but they won't have the original devs, they won't have the lower price point and they won't have 3rd party support over their competitors next gensoulitane

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] Momo... You speculatin' again, brotha. :|

MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] What do you mean? Gears has already helped carry them through this gen and Halo has carried them through 2. The fact is that there are tons of people out there eating this crap up, and as long as MS can keep dishing them out they will continue to sell consoles. Just saying. MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="momentum_god"] So you are saying that 360 failrate being a massive issue for years before being fixed won't make people concerned about their next console because it was fixed 5 years later

and that psn being hacked once and being fixed and improved in a month will cause people to flock to xbl a rip off which is no more secure, wow just wow, and MS doesn't have the devs they lost all their devs and they won't have the 3rd party support domination they had this genmomentum_god

lol. Longest sentence ever. Did the PS1 or PS2 hardware issues stop people from purchasing the PS3, or PS2? Hmm. Xbox 360 reliability concerns are thing of the past. It was a large issue for a couple of years, then died down steadily until the new console SKUs released, and then finally the Xbox 360 Slim which is the best Xbox 360 yet--and considering how popular the Xbox 360 has been as of late, I don't think reliability concerns are in the minds of consumers.

I think we both know which online is better in the grand scheme of things, and while I'm not security expert... I think the fact that the Xbox Live service hasn't experienced a major--and I mean major--issue like this PSN ordeal is a testament to something at least. I just watched Sky News do a report on PSN... lol. Members of the US Congress are calling for an investigation... Goodness!

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]

[QUOTE="momentum_god"] Will sell some but they won't have the original devs, they won't have the lower price point and they won't have 3rd party support over their competitors next genmomentum_god

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] Momo... You speculatin' again, brotha. :|

mitu123

PS3 has been outselling during this, so it's not speculation it's bs based on nothing but the fact you want to discredit me, despite the fact that I'm basing my speculation on facts and your basis yours on nothing, please just leave momentum_god

So you got sales numbers from after PSN went down and people had their info stolen? Cool, post a link.

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]

For alot of reasons I'll bullet point them for coinvinence and readability

-Lack of quality exclusives: It's no secret that MSes 1st party is the weakest of the 3 and add to that the fact that they pretty much destroyed (rare), sold off (bioware) or failed to secure (epic/bungie) next gen they will be in the weakest position launch lineup wise, and even if they commision games to be made people will be skepticial if they will retain exclusivity will all the timed exclusive deals MS has done in the past

-Reliability concerns: although it's doubtful that MS will repeat the horrible mistakes of the 360s reliability it will still have many people concerend

-It will be stuck between the ps3, nintendos next console and ps4: Nintendos console will launch ealier and have the headstart and core games this time as well as third party support, ps3 will be selling to everyone who wants a reliable system and low price point and it will have the highest install base so devs will cater to it over the next xbox (360 will have died off or lost almost all suport it's already starting to dwindle) and ps4 will come out a little later and probably beat it in raw power, so 360 really won't have much of a market looking at it ps3 and nintendos system will both have higher install base, lower price point, more and better games, and ps4 will come out a little later with more power and probably a better launch line up (unless Sony tries to pull a double gen for ps3)

-Charging for online: alot of people were ignorant to it or thought they wouldn't care about online when they bought a 360 (just went with the one with lower prince point) or in some cases weren't aware that no1 else charged so yeah people won't be too eager to do that again, especially if Nintendo makes a respectable online service and Sony improves psn significantly before bringing it back up

so yeah I'm sure some people will buy the next xbox but I just don't see it appealing to that many people the biggest snag will be the games unless MS gets their act in gear I just don't see them selling much at all next gen, maybe even end up giving up the console buisness

momentum_god

-Lack of exclusives doesn't have much sway, so you lose on 5 games, all the important ones are multiplatform anyways. Plus Sony won't have their next generation console out for a few more years after that, so they will all look outdated and not be GK anymore.

-Since the xbox slim is wokring flawlessly without RROD, quality concerns are done.

-They charge for online now.. and its a sucess. So how is this any different?

-No1 buys a system for multiplats unless it's cheaper and Nintendos console and ps3 will beat it in price

-for the 360 not for a new system

-last gen was single player heavy alot of people didn't think they'd need multiplayer or didn't realize they charged or thought the others charged and by the time those facts became known to the average joe all their friends already had a 360, without the install base already in the new console it will fail, and it will make people not want to get it especially if Nintendos console is cheaper and has comparable online

Also, considering the fact that SOny has removed features, and suffers from YLOD, it's just as likely that their next console will suffer some major problem. Also, gamers who buy consoles on release don't often care about that issue, they only see "new console, new games, new graphics" and just go and buy it.

Pay for online will not fail, and in fact it is booming for MS. I would not be surprised if Sony starts to charge soon, especially with how unstable their 'free' online is.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="momentum_god"] Duh this is a speculation thread, based on what we know nowmomentum_god

didn't someone post this exact same topic near a month ago?

Terrible 'facts' TC!

PAL360

• People aren't worried about the reliability right now considering recent X360 sales why would they be worried then?

• Why would devs cater to the PS3 over the next xbox? If anything I forsee the new PS3 simply losing support like what happened to the PS2 when the 360 hit the market. Also the PS3 came out a year after the 360 and doesn't really beat it performance wise, so I'm not sure why you are thinking sony will do that. Infact I think sony will simply aim to be equal to the 360 if anything to keep costs down.. they don't want another PS3 launch on their hands.

• I quicker see Sony starting to charge for online and people buying it before I see people boycotting or ignoring the 360 for charging for online.

• The 360 has all the problems you listed and the sales just keep going up up up, so I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.

[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]Xbox division sales up 60%, 2.4 million more Kinects sold. Xbox 360 sells 2.7 million more units during Jan.-March quarter as Entertainment and Devices division rakes in revenue of $1.94 billion. Um looks like there doing pretty good to memomentum_god

• People aren't worried about the reliability right now considering recent X360 sales why would they be worried then?

• Why would devs cater to the PS3 over the next xbox? If anything I forsee the new PS3 simply losing support like what happened to the PS2 when the 360 hit the market. Also the PS3 came out a year after the 360 and doesn't really beat it performance wise, so I'm not sure why you are thinking sony will do that. Infact I think sony will simply aim to be equal to the 360 if anything to keep costs down.. they don't want another PS3 launch on their hands.

• I quicker see Sony starting to charge for online and people buying it before I see people boycotting or ignoring the 360 for charging for online.

• The 360 has all the problems you listed and the sales just keep going up up up, so I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.

Espada12

-PS2 didn't lose any support when the 360 launched, there were a ton of ps2/360 games and ps2 outsold the 360 for over 3 years and thats with ps2 being far more underpowered, and ps3 does beat 360 performance wise, all you have to do is look at recent and upcoming ps3 exclusives to know that, the exclusives get better every round and Sony has made it clear they intend to support it for a long time, ps3 won't lose any support until the ps4 launches

-Why would people want to pay for a service they can get free? On a console they can get cheaper with all the same multiplats? Ignorance is the only reason people are paying for it this gen, not many will do it again

-Actually 360 doesn't have all the problems I listed, it's the cheapest console on the market with multiplats, not to mention replacements models and the userbase none of which the next one will have on launch, plus the kinect fad, but no1 is going to buy a kinect 2 with the next xbox especially if MS can't make a game were the main character runs straight and turns on your command

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="momentum_god"] Duh this is a speculation thread, based on what we know nowmomentum_god

• Why would devs cater to the PS3 over the next xbox? If anything I forsee the new PS3 simply losing support like what happened to the PS2 when the 360 hit the market.

Espada12

lol, the ps2 went on for a good while with decent release after the 360 came out, since sony didnt axe its old console to force people to upgrade.

Fanny :P, can you look into the future or what? If you can proof this will happen then i will agree with you :P.

-Why would people want to pay for a service they can get free? On a console they can get cheaper with all the same multiplats? Ignorance is the only reason people are paying for it this gen, not many will do it again momentum_god

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]-Why would people want to pay for a service they can get free? On a console they can get cheaper with all the same multiplats? Ignorance is the only reason people are paying for it this gen, not many will do it again Andrew_Xavier

-PSN will be more secure then live in a week, and no CC was taken and it was about as secure as live, less hackers were going after live thats all

-You really should of went with BC, less then 1% of ps3 owners used other OS and the majority of those were hackers

-What features are you talking about? None okay I probably should just ignore you now but I'll keep going

-Wrong, and will be even more wrong in a week -No idea about your point here, and I'm sure no average consumer will know what your talking about either -Alan wake was announced like 7 years before it came out, and again psn issues will be over in a week it's not going to effect a game, since they take years to make

-Trophies=achievements it's the same freaking thing, Home is optional and all your left with is no cross game chat which we might even have in a week so yeah weak

-These people aren't sony and the fact remains every year ps3 comes out with better exclusives which are far superior technically to 360s and wiis

-MS is atleast 10 times worse

IMO the new exclusive is 3rd party exclusive and MS is winning in this front, and are ppl still F*ing crying about $5,- a month? SRSLY i just bought a value meal for 4.99 and ill probably will buy another this weekend. shheees .....

IMO the new exclusive is 3rd party exclusive and MS is winning in this front, and are ppl still F*ing crying about $5,- a month? SRSLY i just bought a value meal for 4.99 and ill probably will buy another this weekend. shheees .....

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