MW2 PC sold 290,000 copies, was pirated over 4 million times Ouch!

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/pl_games_bootleg

No wonder Capcom didn't want to release Super Street Fighter 4 on the PC.

Get ready to see a lot more DRM and anti-piracy efforts in the next generation of console and PC games.

Software developers aren't going to continue to take it up the arse forever.

Not that I am justifying piracy but... serves Activision right.

Piracy hurts gaming for everybody, even the pirates. All systems are susceptible to piracy (though some to a lesser extent) and it just ruins gaming experiences for legitimate consumers.

thats impossible i've seen 200.000 active players at onceSamiRDuran

And people say the 360's piracy problems are close to the PC's...

Also...stumbled across this earlier http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/10/one-quarter-of-humble-indie-bundle-downloads-were-pirated/Ravensmash

Wow, that's ******** low. Seriously, you can purchase that bundle for whatever price you want, and they still pirate it? -_-

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]thats impossible i've seen 200.000 active players at onceKevinButlerVP

maybe he has seen them in infinity.net, without dedicated servers it shouldnt be possible.

*awaits PC gamers coming in justifying piracy*

Piracy hurts gaming for everybody, even the pirates. All systems are susceptible to piracy (though some to a lesser extent) and it just ruins gaming experiences for legitimate consumers.

lundy86_4

290,000 copies of MW2 sold is just ridiculous. There is no comparison to consoles on this game. 360 has sold almost 11 million, and PS3 has sold over 6 million. There is no PS3 piracy yet, and 360 MW2 piracy has to be very minimal since modded consoles can no longer get on Xbox Live. Activision shafted the Wii on this game, but even the Wii CoD games sell over 1 million copies.

I wonder how much money Activision is wasting just to pay for all the extra server bandwith for these pirates.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/pl_games_bootleg

No wonder Capcom didn't want to release Super Street Fighter 4 on the PC.

Get ready to see a lot more DRM and anti-piracy efforts in the next generation of console and PC games.

Software developers aren't going to continue to take it up the arse forever.

*edit*- maybe someone could tell me how to make the link above clickable so I can fix this post

GojiMaster

Still, that's definitely because of the lack of dedicated servers.

OT. To make a link clickable add link here :P

Not that I am justifying piracy but... serves Activision right.

foxhound_fox

So is that 290,000 retail sales USA only? I mean it doesn't say Worldwide. It says retail as well, is it even including DD?

The fact the games been in the top 10 best sellers on Steam since release i find it hard to believe.

People complain about DRM, this is why it exist.

So is that 290,000 retail sales USA only? I mean it doesn't say Worldwide. It says retail as well, is it even including DD?

The fact the games been in the top 10 best sellers on Steam since release i find it hard to believe.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Piracy hurts gaming for everybody, even the pirates. All systems are susceptible to piracy (though some to a lesser extent) and it just ruins gaming experiences for legitimate consumers.

GojiMaster

290,000 copies of MW2 sold is just ridiculous. There is no comparison to consoles on this game. 360 has sold almost 11 million, and PS3 has sold over 6 million. There is no PS3 piracy yet, and 360 MW2 piracy has to be very minimal since modded consoles can no longer get on Xbox Live. Activision shafted the Wii on this game, but even the Wii CoD games sell over 1 million copies.

I wonder how much money Activision is wasting just to pay for all the extra server bandwith for these pirates.

I don't get what point you are trying to make. I only said they are susceptible, not comparable. Of course it's much easier to pirate on PC, as consoles must be modded (different with handhelds).

Eh, considering what they did to the PC version I'm not surprised. I just wouldn't buy it on PC personally as I do own it on PS3 and 360 (Yes, on both, to play with friends...don't ask). But I'm not surprised PC gamers pirated it as much as they did.

Well, almost 1million 360 verions were pirated. That's still bad in itself.

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

So is that 290,000 retail sales USA only? I mean it doesn't say Worldwide. It says retail as well, is it even including DD?

The fact the games been in the top 10 best sellers on Steam since release i find it hard to believe.

Engrish_Major

Most DD services rarealy release sales data, and simply offer a top-selling list. You need actual sales figures from the pub/dev usually.

Not that I like Activision, but why? Just because PC gamers feel entitled? So because Activision charged $60 instead of $50, and didn't have dedicated servers, that gives 4 million people the right to steal their property? Two wrongs dont make a right, and this just perpetuates PC gaming's problems.h575309

well if pc gamers continue to steal their games then you will see more and more games going to consoles (like starcraft 2 appears to be doing) quit being so cheap pc gamers

PC pirac... I mean gaming is alive and well!!

well if pc gamers continue to steal their games then you will see more and more games going to consoles (like starcraft 2 appears to be doing) quit being so cheap pc gamers

GrannyGoat

Just like you'll see more and more console games jump to PC. It's happening on both sides due to costs of production this gen.

However, piracy is no doubt a part for certain devs/pubs.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Snagal123"]

So is that 290,000 retail sales USA only? I mean it doesn't say Worldwide. It says retail as well, is it even including DD?

The fact the games been in the top 10 best sellers on Steam since release i find it hard to believe.

lundy86_4

Most DD services rarealy release sales data, and simply offer a top-selling list. You need actual sales figures from the pub/dev usually.

So as the link claims no sources, states retail, and doesn't say if its worldwide we can assume this number isn't reflective of the total sales at all, yet the pirated figure is. Thats great reporting right there.

I'm sure MW2 on PC worldwide, including all DD has sold 1+ mill, didn't they even state they were happy with sales?

Most DD services rarealy release sales data, and simply offer a top-selling list. You need actual sales figures from the pub/dev usually.

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that 970,000 360 versions were pirated? :?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] Yeah, it states "retail purchases". I bet it doesn't even include Steam purchases - don't they not release sales numbers?Snagal123

Most DD services rarealy release sales data, and simply offer a top-selling list. You need actual sales figures from the pub/dev usually.

So as the link claims no sources, states retail, and doesn't say if its worldwide we can assume this number isn't reflective of the total sales at all, yet the pirated figure is. Thats great reporting right there.

I'm sure MW2 on PC worldwide, including all DD has sold 1+ mill, didn't they even state they were happy with sales?

I agree, it's obviously not a fair comparison as many outlets still only release retail PC sales. Even NPD wants to start tracking digital services, as they are starting to take over in a huge way.

Well, almost 1million 360 verions were pirated. That's still bad in itself.

Dataleak

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that 970,000 360 versions were pirated? :?

Dataleak

PC piracy is always a more popular topic of discussion apparently :P

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that 970,000 360 versions were pirated? :?

Dataleak

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Wow, that's awful... Expect to see more DRM like you said.windsquid9000

I call bull. People are more likely to pirate a good game cause they get more... for nothing.

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that 970,000 360 versions were pirated? :?

Dataleak

The 970,000 360 pirated copies are not insignifcant, but 360 has also sold close to 11 million copies now. Also, none of those 970,000 people can play the multiplayer part of the game online-- which I think is kind of pointless because single player MW2 is pretty lame in comparison to multiplayer.

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that 970,000 360 versions were pirated? :?

Dataleak

Didn't it sell like 8+ million on 360? Maybe a little less on PS3. Problem with those figures for pc is the fact that 290,000 is far less than the pirated amount of 4 million. :?

Perhaps if the 360 version sold only 1 million with 970,000 copies pirated you'd havedevs/people in an uproar. Granted, the pc numbers don't look at DD. So they're fairly useless.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Piracy hurts gaming for everybody, even the pirates. All systems are susceptible to piracy (though some to a lesser extent) and it just ruins gaming experiences for legitimate consumers.

GojiMaster

290,000 copies of MW2 sold is just ridiculous. There is no comparison to consoles on this game. 360 has sold almost 11 million, and PS3 has sold over 6 million. There is no PS3 piracy yet, and 360 MW2 piracy has to be very minimal since modded consoles can no longer get on Xbox Live. Activision shafted the Wii on this game, but even the Wii CoD games sell over 1 million copies.

I wonder how much money Activision is wasting just to pay for all the extra server bandwith for these pirates.

that isn't including STEAM, correct?

Hmm, those numbers seem a tad suspect. But they don't take into account geography (where is the pirating happening? Is it spread evenly or concentrated in particular regions?) or how many copies, particularly physical copies, were manufactured - numbers alone tell us nothing.

quit being so cheap pc gamers

GrannyGoat

Generalising wildly, there...

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that 970,000 360 versions were pirated? :?

GojiMaster

The 970,000 360 pirated copies are not insignifcant, but 360 has also sold close to 11 million copies now. Also, none of those 970,000 people can play the multiplayer part of the game online-- which I think is kind of pointless because single player MW2 is pretty lame in comparison to multiplayer.

As far as i'm aware, you can't play pirated MW2 on PC either.

[QUOTE="GojiMaster"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Piracy hurts gaming for everybody, even the pirates. All systems are susceptible to piracy (though some to a lesser extent) and it just ruins gaming experiences for legitimate consumers.

HavocV3

290,000 copies of MW2 sold is just ridiculous. There is no comparison to consoles on this game. 360 has sold almost 11 million, and PS3 has sold over 6 million. There is no PS3 piracy yet, and 360 MW2 piracy has to be very minimal since modded consoles can no longer get on Xbox Live. Activision shafted the Wii on this game, but even the Wii CoD games sell over 1 million copies.

I wonder how much money Activision is wasting just to pay for all the extra server bandwith for these pirates.

that isn't including STEAM, correct?

Their data doesn't include STEAM, so it obviously falls short of how many copies of MW2 were really sold on the PC. However, usually these people that count how many times a game was pirated also admit that their piracy estimates are very conservative. This wasn't a great article because it didn't mention any sources of where the number were obtained from.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Not that I am justifying piracy but... serves Activision right.

h575309

lol so we just have one wrong and activision gets away with it? Get out of here, serves them right.. now publishers won't think about pulling these stunts. When SCC tanks that will only solidify pc gamer's stance on the whole fiasco.

I call bull. People are more likely to pirate a good game cause they get more... for nothing.Infinite_Access

[QUOTE="GojiMaster"]

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that 970,000 360 versions were pirated? :?

lundy86_4

The 970,000 360 pirated copies are not insignifcant, but 360 has also sold close to 11 million copies now. Also, none of those 970,000 people can play the multiplayer part of the game online-- which I think is kind of pointless because single player MW2 is pretty lame in comparison to multiplayer.

As far as i'm aware, you can't play pirated MW2 on PC either.

You mean pirated multiplayer on PC? I have never played MW2 on PC, so I wouldn't know. Does anyone know if pirates can play multiplayer MW2 online on the PC? It seems to me that if you couldn't, MW2 would be a pretty lame game.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="GojiMaster"]

The 970,000 360 pirated copies are not insignifcant, but 360 has also sold close to 11 million copies now. Also, none of those 970,000 people can play the multiplayer part of the game online-- which I think is kind of pointless because single player MW2 is pretty lame in comparison to multiplayer.

GojiMaster

As far as i'm aware, you can't play pirated MW2 on PC either.

You mean pirated multiplayer on PC? I have never played MW2 on PC, so I wouldn't know. Does anyone know if pirates can play multiplayer MW2 online on the PC? It seems to me that if you couldn't, MW2 would be a pretty lame game.

Yup. I don't think it's possible to play the game online unless it's a legitimate copy.

I enjoyed the SP quite a lot, but I agree that the majority "meat" of the game is in the MP component.

I guess this was a learning experience for activision.

These people truly sicken me. They're the entire reason why PC gaming is in the state that it's in.