MW2 terrorist massacre isn't as bad as some other games

I don't know why people are getting defensive here.

To clarify my point and I think hot114s, in games like GTA, because it looks cartoony and doesn't play realistically, it's not the same.

With manhunt and hitman, the games are violent but what kills it for me are the crap controls, the graphics aren't realistic either. If those games controlled like splinter cell as in far more precise it would have more satisfaction in them. A kill means nothing in these games because of that I think.

We make no mental link to actual violence or the emotions or even the satisfaction that comes with it, with games such as GTA, manhunt and hitman.

Yet the COD games look far more real, has the atmosphere and has far more precision in the controls, so when I kill something, there is satisfaction init.

I felt it playing Goldeneye back in the day, it looked as real as the technology could allow, had weopons based on real weopons and had precise controls, so a kill was satisfying.

i'm not complaining about it and i'm not judging the game, because we don't know the context in which the scene is used yet.

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[QUOTE="Aboogie5"]GTFO who the f crying dude. I guess stating my opinion is illegal also? ROfL im sad? And your really bringing the bible into video games? The bible shouldnt even be mentioned in the same topic of video games.

Your post was so pathetic, trying to flame me! on something on how i feel on terrorism. I was simple asking him a question and you made so many asumptions on your post it's not funny dude.

fixer293

And both of you would make liberal hippies proud, and you said GTA had laughable graphics and said COD had more realistic graphics making it bad for a scene like this to be in, go have a cry and don't you two worry about the big bad cut scene comin for you since you will go run and tell your friend Jack Thompson the big bad fixer proved you guys wrong.

I have a feeling only Americans care ...

The same way Iraqis care that the American army took it upon themselves to trudge into there country and shoot at things.

Many countries would call American soldiers terrorists ...

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I have the same feeling...Would there be as much complaining about this if this scene took place...lets see in England or Scotland?

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I have a feeling only Americans care ...

The same way Iraqis care that the American army took it upon themselves to trudge into there country and shoot at things.

Many countries would call American soldiers terrorists ...

che5ter666

I have the same feeling...Would there be as much complaining about this if this scene took place...lets see in England or Scotland?

Doubt it. Americans probably think Scotland IS England :P

As Brits, we wouldn't care. In fact, id LOVE to play a war game based in the UK, just to feel more immersed.

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I have a feeling only Americans care ...

The same way Iraqis care that the American army took it upon themselves to trudge into there country and shoot at things.

Many countries would call American soldiers terrorists ...

Stats_

I have the same feeling...Would there be as much complaining about this if this scene took place...lets see in England or Scotland?

Doubt it. Americans probably think Scotland IS England :P

As Brits, we wouldn't care. In fact, id LOVE to play a war game based in the UK, just to feel more immersed.

Yeah, I agree. I would love to play a COD...or any other war based game in the UK!

these are for the offended.

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I have a feeling only Americans care ...

The same way Iraqis care that the American army took it upon themselves to trudge into there country and shoot at things.

Many countries would call American soldiers terrorists ...

Stats_

I have the same feeling...Would there be as much complaining about this if this scene took place...lets see in England or Scotland?

Doubt it. Americans probably think Scotland IS England :P

As Brits, we wouldn't care. In fact, id LOVE to play a war game based in the UK, just to feel more immersed.

That would be awesome, having the whole of London or something, underground and all, i'd love that, having the gritty HL 2 urban graphics. Playing an SAS team.

In Grand Theft Auto IV, killing them is somewhat "mirthful" (if you know what I mean) and punishable.

In Modern Warfare 2, on the other hand, it's just ghastly and upsetting - they want you to slaughter those civilians...

The Bible is not written for violence though, is it?

People in Biblical days did stupid crap like people did now. Cane and Abel for example. Jealously which every person has, Cane had for abel. You were bringing the Bible up for what? violence?

Well GOD punished the evil... and again why'd you bring the Bible up? To compare the evil to evil now? What people are doing are far worse from what people did in biblical days

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I have the same feeling...Would there be as much complaining about this if this scene took place...lets see in England or Scotland?

Darth_DuMas

Doubt it. Americans probably think Scotland IS England :P

As Brits, we wouldn't care. In fact, id LOVE to play a war game based in the UK, just to feel more immersed.

That would be awesome, having the whole of London or something, underground and all, i'd love that, having the gritty HL 2 urban graphics. Playing an SAS team.

Call Of Duty : Rain Warfare. It'd be amazing.

TheTower of London would make a greatvantage point, for budding snipers.

The Bible is not written for violence though, is it?

People in Biblical days did stupid crap like people did now. Cane and Abel for example. Jealously which every person has, Cane had for abel. You were bringing the Bible up for what? violence?

Well GOD punished the evil... and again why'd you bring the Bible up? To compare the evil to evil now? What people are doing are far worse from what people did in biblical days

Aboogie5

And who says you are not punishing the evil after said scene, man I just shattered your whole reality of everyone loving one another and unicorns running by lemonade springs in a gumdrop forest. Liife is a harsh cold reality deal with it.

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Doubt it. Americans probably think Scotland IS England :P

As Brits, we wouldn't care. In fact, id LOVE to play a war game based in the UK, just to feel more immersed.

Stats_

That would be awesome, having the whole of London or something, underground and all, i'd love that, having the gritty HL 2 urban graphics. Playing an SAS team.

Call Of Duty : Rain Warfare. It'd be amazing.

TheTower of London would make a greatvantage point, for budding snipers.

Gun fight on Wembley's arch...:o

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Doubt it. Americans probably think Scotland IS England :P

As Brits, we wouldn't care. In fact, id LOVE to play a war game based in the UK, just to feel more immersed.

Stats_

That would be awesome, having the whole of London or something, underground and all, i'd love that, having the gritty HL 2 urban graphics. Playing an SAS team.

Call Of Duty : Rain Warfare. It'd be amazing.

TheTower of London would make a greatvantage point, for budding snipers.

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[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

That would be awesome, having the whole of London or something, underground and all, i'd love that, having the gritty HL 2 urban graphics. Playing an SAS team.

thespywholied

Call Of Duty : Rain Warfare. It'd be amazing.

TheTower of London would make a greatvantage point, for budding snipers.

As long as at some point, The Emirates is blew up, im down.

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Call Of Duty : Rain Warfare. It'd be amazing.

TheTower of London would make a greatvantage point, for budding snipers.

Stats_

As long as at some point, The Emirates is blew up, im down.

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The Bible is not written for violence though, is it?

People in Biblical days did stupid crap like people did now. Cane and Abel for example. Jealously which every person has, Cane had for abel. You were bringing the Bible up for what? violence?

Well GOD punished the evil... and again why'd you bring the Bible up? To compare the evil to evil now? What people are doing are far worse from what people did in biblical days

fixer293

1. No one believed in him, people were sinners. He wipped clean of the earth, started human race over.

2.God told Jesus he was going to be killed by his own people.

3.Yep Yep.God helped the israelites defeat giants in a war... the land was for the israelites

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[QUOTE="thespywholied"] Then at one point you have to run away from a falling london eye now that would be REALLY fun. :D

thespywholied

As long as at some point, The Emirates is blew up, im down.

I don't live too far from there, but im a Spurs Fan, so it must be done. Or atleast let the terrorists break Fabregas' leg.

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Call Of Duty : Rain Warfare. It'd be amazing.

TheTower of London would make a greatvantage point, for budding snipers.

Stats_

As long as at some point, The Emirates is blew up, im down.

:lol: Not an Arsenal fan then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI&feature=related

Im gonna play that scene like this dude, just don't lead em as much

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As long as at some point, The Emirates is blew up, im down.

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I don't live too far from there, but im a Spurs Fan, so it must be done. Or atleast let the terrorists break Fabregas' leg.

Thats the achievment point lol

Your team mate - "why did you shoot the ref????"

ME - "I suspected something, he was reaching for something in his shirt pocket" :lol:

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I have a feeling only Americans care ...

The same way Iraqis care that the American army took it upon themselves to trudge into there country and shoot at things.

Many countries would call American soldiers terrorists ...

TreeMoBMoney

What don't i know about? What was uncalled for?

Who in here, not from America actually cares? I for one couldn't care less, in fact, i bought the game when i watched that scene.

A scene like that in a game, to me at least, shows it will have an engaging story, a fight you actually want to finish.

Obviously it envokes emotion, what better way to get you to feel soemthing for the charactersm and story, then to have it based in your backyard?

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I have the same feeling...Would there be as much complaining about this if this scene took place...lets see in England or Scotland?

TreeMoBMoney

Doubt it. Americans probably think Scotland IS England :P

As Brits, we wouldn't care. In fact, id LOVE to play a war game based in the UK, just to feel more immersed.

Would you care if the game was based in the UK, be honest know? Would you care if the game depicted terrorists blowing up parts of London?

I doubt you would.

I never claimed Americans were ignorant, it was a joke, hence the smiley ...

I can tell you're getting all emotional, maybe you should grab those tissue up there. :)

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behaving like a ass

[QUOTE="TreeMoBMoney"][QUOTE="Stats_"]

I have a feeling only Americans care ...

The same way Iraqis care that the American army took it upon themselves to trudge into there country and shoot at things.

Many countries would call American soldiers terrorists ...

Stats_

What don't i know about? What was uncalled for?

Who in here, not from America actually cares? I for one couldn't care less, in fact, i bought the game when i watched that scene.

A scene like that in a game, to me at least, shows it will have an engaging story, a fight you actually want to finish.

Obviously it envokes emotion, what better way to get you to feel soemthing for the charactersm and story, then to have it based in your backyard?

I agree again with you mate.

I wouldn't have a problem with a game based on the Lockerbie bombing. I spent the early part of my life in Lockerbie, a few footsteps away from where the fuselage fell. That wouldn't effect me because I know it would just be a game. The same with MW2...no matter how 'over the top' the scene is...it's just a game.

[QUOTE="fixer293"][QUOTE="hot114"]Quote where i say im offended in any way? you act awfully overprotactive attacking someone who isent even arguing against your own point.

hot114

I think it was a dumb move on IWs part. They already got the PC gamers to turn on them now more people will just turn on them. But it kinda makes me happy to see everyone hate IW.Nick3306

No, it's not.

It's one very unique path Infinity Ward has selected to take.

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Doubt it. Americans probably think Scotland IS England :P

As Brits, we wouldn't care. In fact, id LOVE to play a war game based in the UK, just to feel more immersed.

Stats_

Would you care if the game was based in the UK, be honest know? Would you care if the game depicted terrorists blowing up parts of London?

I doubt you would.

I never claimed Americans were ignorant, it was a joke, hence the smiley ...

I can tell you're getting all emotional, maybe you should grab those tissue up there. :)

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[QUOTE="TreeMoBMoney"] This. You are just as ignorant as the so called "ignorant" Americans. TreeMoBMoney

Would you care if the game was based in the UK, be honest know? Would you care if the game depicted terrorists blowing up parts of London?

I doubt you would.

I never claimed Americans were ignorant, it was a joke, hence the smiley ...

I can tell you're getting all emotional, maybe you should grab those tissue up there. :)

What are you, 17?

My cousin's funeral was just over a week ago, he died fighting in iraq.

And yet im smart enough to know, that his opposition will think he's the bad guy. A lot of Iraqis resent Americans, for what they've done in the name of "justice"

One mans terrorist is another mans hero, it works the other way too.

It's always another story when it's in your home country.

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[QUOTE="TreeMoBMoney"] This. You are just as ignorant as the so called "ignorant" Americans. TreeMoBMoney

Would you care if the game was based in the UK, be honest know? Would you care if the game depicted terrorists blowing up parts of London?

I doubt you would.

I never claimed Americans were ignorant, it was a joke, hence the smiley ...

I can tell you're getting all emotional, maybe you should grab those tissue up there. :)

Lockerbie bombing and London bombing. I would call them national disasters caused by terrorists. Wouldn't you? Or because they didn't happen in America you nullify them from this argument.

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Would you care if the game was based in the UK, be honest know? Would you care if the game depicted terrorists blowing up parts of London?

I doubt you would.

I never claimed Americans were ignorant, it was a joke, hence the smiley ...

I can tell you're getting all emotional, maybe you should grab those tissue up there. :)

che5ter666

Lockerbie bombing and London bombing. I would call them national disasters caused by terrorists. Wouldn't you? Or because they didn't happen in America you nullify them from this argument.

As i said before, he probably has no idea what they are, since they didn't effect Americans he has no reason to care.

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Would you care if the game was based in the UK, be honest know? Would you care if the game depicted terrorists blowing up parts of London?

I doubt you would.

I never claimed Americans were ignorant, it was a joke, hence the smiley ...

I can tell you're getting all emotional, maybe you should grab those tissue up there. :)

Stats_

What are you, 17?

My cousin's funeral was just over a week ago, he died fighting in iraq.

And yet im smart enough to know, that his opposition will think he's the bad guy. A lot of Iraqis resent Americans, for what they've done in the name of "justice"

One mans terrorist is another mans hero, it works the other way too.

It's always another story when it's in your home country.

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[QUOTE="TreeMoBMoney"] Look, you said us army could be considered terrorists? ....Im just at a loss for words about that statement, i cant wrap my brain around it, Did the UK have one of the worst national disasters caused by terrorists? Did planes fly into a couple of your crowded buildings kills thousands? So the scene is controversial, people are gonna hate it, are you blind to the effect it had on america? on millions of people? Caused by terrorists? Can you see why this is a hot button topic now? And you're calling the army, whos seeking justice for this indecent, terrorists? Have you ever been to a dead soldiers funeral? When the flag is given the soldiers mother its one of the most emotional things you can witness. Think twice before you say things like that.Stats_

Lockerbie bombing and London bombing. I would call them national disasters caused by terrorists. Wouldn't you? Or because they didn't happen in America you nullify them from this argument.

As i said before, he probably has no idea what they are, since they didn't effect Americans he has no reason to care.

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[QUOTE="TreeMoBMoney"] Look, you said us army could be considered terrorists? ....Im just at a loss for words about that statement, i cant wrap my brain around it, Did the UK have one of the worst national disasters caused by terrorists? Did planes fly into a couple of your crowded buildings kills thousands? So the scene is controversial, people are gonna hate it, are you blind to the effect it had on america? on millions of people? Caused by terrorists? Can you see why this is a hot button topic now? And you're calling the army, whos seeking justice for this indecent, terrorists? Have you ever been to a dead soldiers funeral? When the flag is given the soldiers mother its one of the most emotional things you can witness. Think twice before you say things like that.TreeMoBMoney

What are you, 17?

My cousin's funeral was just over a week ago, he died fighting in iraq.

And yet im smart enough to know, that his opposition will think he's the bad guy. A lot of Iraqis resent Americans, for what they've done in the name of "justice"

One mans terrorist is another mans hero, it works the other way too.

It's always another story when it's in your home country.

A terrorist, well the meaning is in the word. Technically however there is no agreed definition, but you knew that right? :P

What YOU don't seem to understand is the War is not black and white. YOU think YOUR side is good, and the other bad, justa s the other side think THEY are good and you are bad.

In that respect, what you do in there country will be, and porobably is considered terrorism by it;s inhabitents.

Obviously you think it's for justice, they would say the same about 9/11

Who's right? Who's to say who's right?

Obviously we all have an opinion on who's right, buas COD4 mentioned, the first casulty of War is the truth.

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Lockerbie bombing and London bombing. I would call them national disasters caused by terrorists. Wouldn't you? Or because they didn't happen in America you nullify them from this argument.

TreeMoBMoney

As i said before, he probably has no idea what they are, since they didn't effect Americans he has no reason to care.

Google isn't hard to use. Im not claiming Americans are ignorant, im claiming you are :)

If you knew before hand it was one of the worst disasters, you wouldn't have insinuated in your previous post that nothing bad has ever happened in the UK

I dont get why so many people are so bothered about MW2 terrorist massacre? Some people say its morally wrong to add it into the game but i think that peopleare just picking onMW2 because its apopular game. If MW2 was based on a real event then i could understand why people are upset about this but its not. Its a made up scenario like load of other games in the past. Some games are just as bad or worse but didn't get people upset to the point of not buying the game.

GTA games used to have kill frenzies.

Fallout you can nuke a whole town.

State of Emergency with a PS2 game where you run around the street killing loads of people rioting. The bonus game was based in a mall where you had to run around and slaughter unarmed people. The more kill in the time limit the better.

Fable 2 you can marry more than one person, take you wife or husband to be executed on the torture wheel and leave your kid as a orphan. Massacre the whole town just to get some loot.

This is just some examples. What other games can you remember that have morally wrong moments in them that are just as bad as MW2 but no one moaned about?

campbell1874

Terrorism is a very sensitive and a current issue. People, especially those affected by terrorism, can differentiate between these games and something like a terrorism simulator. Morality is never 0 or 1 and there is always a limit to somethings.

Moreover games like GTA etc are already debatable whether they are bad or good. Some people may draw the line at GTA, but MW2 is simply crossing that line. You cannot justify worse things by saying that bad things happen already.

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[QUOTE="TreeMoBMoney"] Look, you said us army could be considered terrorists? ....Im just at a loss for words about that statement, i cant wrap my brain around it, Did the UK have one of the worst national disasters caused by terrorists? Did planes fly into a couple of your crowded buildings kills thousands? So the scene is controversial, people are gonna hate it, are you blind to the effect it had on america? on millions of people? Caused by terrorists? Can you see why this is a hot button topic now? And you're calling the army, whos seeking justice for this indecent, terrorists? Have you ever been to a dead soldiers funeral? When the flag is given the soldiers mother its one of the most emotional things you can witness. Think twice before you say things like that.TreeMoBMoney

What are you, 17?

My cousin's funeral was just over a week ago, he died fighting in iraq.

And yet im smart enough to know, that his opposition will think he's the bad guy. A lot of Iraqis resent Americans, for what they've done in the name of "justice"

One mans terrorist is another mans hero, it works the other way too.

It's always another story when it's in your home country.

Now put yourself in the Iraqi's shoes...now who's the terrorists.

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As i said before, he probably has no idea what they are, since they didn't effect Americans he has no reason to care.

Stats_

Google isn't hard to use. Im not claiming Americans are ignorant, im claiming you are :)

If you knew before hand it was one of the worst disasters, you wouldn't have insinuated in your previous post that nothing bad has ever happened in the UK

[QUOTE="TreeMoBMoney"][QUOTE="Stats_"]

What are you, 17?

My cousin's funeral was just over a week ago, he died fighting in iraq.

And yet im smart enough to know, that his opposition will think he's the bad guy. A lot of Iraqis resent Americans, for what they've done in the name of "justice"

One mans terrorist is another mans hero, it works the other way too.

It's always another story when it's in your home country.

che5ter666

Now put yourself in the Iraqi's shoes...now who's the terrorists.

Ugh, i need a cigarette.

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[QUOTE="TreeMoBMoney"] You're still at it implying americans are ignorant calling me a kid, these are your useless arguments. Lockerbie, 11 people in the building died, but the rest where in the plane, these types of things happen all over the world, no such EVEN NEAR the scale as 9/11. and by london bombing you mean the one that took place during ww2 set up by the nazis, isnt that already recognized and one of the worst disasters ever?TreeMoBMoney

Google isn't hard to use. Im not claiming Americans are ignorant, im claiming you are :)

If you knew before hand it was one of the worst disasters, you wouldn't have insinuated in your previous post that nothing bad has ever happened in the UK

I think you're ignorant as youc an't seem to empathise with any non-American.

Americans instill fear in Iraqis everyday as do the British, and i understand, that from there point of view, WE'RE the bad guys, what WE'RE doing is wrong.

They may see there acts as justice, just as you think what we're doing is justice.

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