N64 has better Nintendo games than Wii? BULL

Anyone who seriously thinks the major Nintendo IP titles released on the N64 still outclass their Wii offspring today needs to take off the nostalgia glasses. You can't tell me with a straight face that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Ocarina of Time is a better game than Skyward Sword.princeofshapeir

I can, because they are. Don't believe me? Play 'em again and see for yourself. The games not only still hold up today, they're still way better than what we're getting on the Wii.

It's all nostalgia, in two gens from now everyone is going to say wii was the best nintendo system.

AGM3002

The difference is that during the N64's and GC's lifespan, not at any one time did I think the console and its games sucked. Not so for the Wii, which is one of the worst consoles I've ever owned.

I've been seeing a lot of dumbasses around here throwing out how the N64 had better "Nintendo games" than the following consoles, mostly targeted towards the Wii. The sad part is that these quotes were coming from supposedly "sheep" people. So I want to ask, what makes the Nintendo games on the N64 better than the Wii titles Nintendo gave us? No I'm not talking about RARE, (since RARE was the reason the N64 was soooooo good, next to the 3 main Nintendo ****cs), and RARE is dead nowadays anyways, so NO OTHER CONSOLE, will ever get those amazing Rare games again.:(

sanim02

You're the only dumbass around here, bro.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Anyone who seriously thinks the major Nintendo IP titles released on the N64 still outclass their Wii offspring today needs to take off the nostalgia glasses. You can't tell me with a straight face that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Ocarina of Time is a better game than Skyward Sword.TGM_basic

I can, because they are. Don't believe me? Play 'em again and see for yourself. The games not only still hold up today, they're still way better than what we're getting on the Wii.

I'd like to see you post a picture of your Wii (ewww) and the games you have for it with your username written on anything in the image as proof.

Cause I'm really not believing you have played a Wii at all.

[QUOTE="TGM_basic"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Anyone who seriously thinks the major Nintendo IP titles released on the N64 still outclass their Wii offspring today needs to take off the nostalgia glasses. You can't tell me with a straight face that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Ocarina of Time is a better game than Skyward Sword.Wiimotefan

I can, because they are. Don't believe me? Play 'em again and see for yourself. The games not only still hold up today, they're still way better than what we're getting on the Wii.

I'd like to see you post a picture of your Wii (ewww) and the games you have for it with your username written on anything in the image as proof.

Cause I'm really not believing you have played a Wii at all.

impact at the time of release should always be an important factor, if not the most important. of course games today are superior in graphics, gameplays sound and pretty much everything, its unfair to compare games from eons ago to games now on those attributes.

when i played Super Mario 64 for the first time, it was way better than when i played Galaxy for the first time. this is not necessarily Galaxy's or Nintendo's fault, its just that i was a kid when SM64 came out so it was much more, how should i put this, 'magical'.

so for me, N64 will always be superior to Wii, and yes that is nostalgia talking, but what is wrong with nostalgia?

[QUOTE="TGM_basic"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Anyone who seriously thinks the major Nintendo IP titles released on the N64 still outclass their Wii offspring today needs to take off the nostalgia glasses. You can't tell me with a straight face that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Ocarina of Time is a better game than Skyward Sword.Wiimotefan

I can, because they are. Don't believe me? Play 'em again and see for yourself. The games not only still hold up today, they're still way better than what we're getting on the Wii.

I'd like to see you post a picture of your Wii (ewww) and the games you have for it with your username written on anything in the image as proof.

Cause I'm really not believing you have played a Wii at all.

Believe it or not, it's true. I ain't about to post pics, because I don't care about this silly "debate" nearly enough to put in that much effort. But of all the Wii games I've played and owned, the only single one I praise at all is Metroid: Other M. Check around the site, you'll see me praising it all over the place. Seems like an odd thing to do for someone who hasn't played/owned the Wii.

That said, despite my love of Other M, I'd still likely get rid of my Wii had I not gotten rid of my GC first. Poor decision, I admit, but now I'm stuck with my Wii to use it for its GC function. (I still play the crap out of my GC games.)

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="TGM_basic"]

I can, because they are. Don't believe me? Play 'em again and see for yourself. The games not only still hold up today, they're still way better than what we're getting on the Wii.

Zorgax

I'd like to see you post a picture of your Wii (ewww) and the games you have for it with your username written on anything in the image as proof.

Cause I'm really not believing you have played a Wii at all.

impact at the time of release should always be an important factor, if not the most important. of course games today are superior in graphics, gameplays sound and pretty much everything, its unfair to compare games from eons ago to games now on those attributes.

when i played Super Mario 64 for the first time, it was way better than when i played Galaxy for the first time. this is not necessarily Galaxy's or Nintendo's fault, its just that i was a kid when SM64 came out so it was much more, how should i put this, 'magical'.

so for me, N64 will always be superior to Wii, and yes that is nostalgia talking, but what is wrong with nostalgia?

Nostalgia is bad because it's just like someone said above: in a couple of generations, the Wii will be looked at as some magical console just like the N64 is today.

It's not very fair for the Wii if everyone has such fond memories of the N64 and forgot about all of its problems.

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I owned an N64...I lived through that generation, and there were good games and bad games. Just like every gen.

I just happen to think there are more quality titles now than back then.

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It's very fair to compare graphics from then and now...but only when it has the same method of development.

Early 3D games (1990s) should be compared to late 3D games (2000s).

Early 2D games (1980s) should be compared to late 2D games (1990s).

That's what's called looking through the formalist perspective...in a way that completely disregards historical handicaps and looks at a game as if it were released today, unchanged.

Some 3D games hold up really well. Others don't in the slightest.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="TGM_basic"]

I can, because they are. Don't believe me? Play 'em again and see for yourself. The games not only still hold up today, they're still way better than what we're getting on the Wii.

Zorgax

I'd like to see you post a picture of your Wii (ewww) and the games you have for it with your username written on anything in the image as proof.

Cause I'm really not believing you have played a Wii at all.

impact at the time of release should always be an important factor, if not the most important. of course games today are superior in graphics, gameplays sound and pretty much everything, its unfair to compare games from eons ago to games now on those attributes.

when i played Super Mario 64 for the first time, it was way better than when i played Galaxy for the first time. this is not necessarily Galaxy's or Nintendo's fault, its just that i was a kid when SM64 came out so it was much more, how should i put this, 'magical'.

so for me, N64 will always be superior to Wii, and yes that is nostalgia talking, but what is wrong with nostalgia?

Nothing wrong with that as all. I mentioned earlier that the SNES is my favorite console of all time!!!!! But I still recognize the Wii has more going for it. I think OP was looking for some objective discussion here, so that is the point of view I am speaking from.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="TGM_basic"]

I can, because they are. Don't believe me? Play 'em again and see for yourself. The games not only still hold up today, they're still way better than what we're getting on the Wii.

TGM_basic

I'd like to see you post a picture of your Wii (ewww) and the games you have for it with your username written on anything in the image as proof.

Cause I'm really not believing you have played a Wii at all.

Believe it or not, it's true. I ain't about to post pics, because I don't care about this silly "debate" nearly enough to put in that much effort. But of all the Wii games I've played and owned, the only single one I praise at all is Metroid: Other M. Check around the site, you'll see me praising it all over the place. Seems like an odd thing to do for someone who hasn't played/owned the Wii.

That said, despite my love of Other M, I'd still likely get rid of my Wii had I not gotten rid of my GC first. Poor decision, I admit, but now I'm stuck with my Wii to use it for its GC function. (I still play the crap out of my GC games.)

You probably spent more time and effort typing that post.

[QUOTE="TGM_basic"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

I'd like to see you post a picture of your Wii (ewww) and the games you have for it with your username written on anything in the image as proof.

Cause I'm really not believing you have played a Wii at all.

Wiimotefan

Believe it or not, it's true. I ain't about to post pics, because I don't care about this silly "debate" nearly enough to put in that much effort. But of all the Wii games I've played and owned, the only single one I praise at all is Metroid: Other M. Check around the site, you'll see me praising it all over the place. Seems like an odd thing to do for someone who hasn't played/owned the Wii.

That said, despite my love of Other M, I'd still likely get rid of my Wii had I not gotten rid of my GC first. Poor decision, I admit, but now I'm stuck with my Wii to use it for its GC function. (I still play the crap out of my GC games.)

You probably spent more time and effort typing that post.

Not really, no.

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

I've been seeing a lot of dumbasses around here throwing out how the N64 had better "Nintendo games" than the following consoles, mostly targeted towards the Wii. The sad part is that these quotes were coming from supposedly "sheep" people. So I want to ask, what makes the Nintendo games on the N64 better than the Wii titles Nintendo gave us? No I'm not talking about RARE, (since RARE was the reason the N64 was soooooo good, next to the 3 main Nintendo ****cs), and RARE is dead nowadays anyways, so NO OTHER CONSOLE, will ever get those amazing Rare games again.:(

Johnny_Rock

You're the only dumbass around here, bro.

Well that totally just solves everything.:lol: I gotta hand it to you dear sir, your analysis is definitely among the best in this thread!:o

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Anyone who seriously thinks the major Nintendo IP titles released on the N64 still outclass their Wii offspring today needs to take off the nostalgia glasses. You can't tell me with a straight face that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Ocarina of Time is a better game than Skyward Sword. You can say that you had more fun with them back then, or they had more of an impact when they were released, but if you put the Wii and N64 games before someone who has never played any of them he's going to say the Wii iterations are better.Eponique

Lol no, SM64 is actually just a mediocore game through and through.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Anyone who seriously thinks the major Nintendo IP titles released on the N64 still outclass their Wii offspring today needs to take off the nostalgia glasses. You can't tell me with a straight face that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Ocarina of Time is a better game than Skyward Sword. You can say that you had more fun with them back then, or they had more of an impact when they were released, but if you put the Wii and N64 games before someone who has never played any of them he's going to say the Wii iterations are better.ActicEdge

Lol no, SM64 is actually just a mediocore game through and through.

You do realize you're comparing a 15 year old game that ran on much worse hardware to a modern game, rite?

For it's time, SM64 was a revolution whereas SMG, altho an excellent platformer, is just an evolution.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"] Super Mario 64 is better than Super Mario Galaxy 2. :|nameless12345

Lol no, SM64 is actually just a mediocore game through and through.

You do realize you're comparing a 15 year old game that ran on much worse hardware to a modern game, rite?

For it's time, SM64 was a revolution whereas SMG, altho an excellent platformer, is just an evolution.

So what? Why are people so caught up in how "revoltuionary" something is over how well it played and how good it was. I never thought SM64 was a great game and especially now I know I wasn't wrong. SMG is not going to age so poorly, it is a genuinely good game. Frankly 64 and sunshine are the weakest titles in the Mario series. The original has aged better than those 2 games and their 25 years old. In this day and age I care about great games, not landmarks or revolutions.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"] Super Mario 64 is better than Super Mario Galaxy 2. :|nameless12345

Lol no, SM64 is actually just a mediocore game through and through.

You do realize you're comparing a 15 year old game that ran on much worse hardware to a modern game, rite?

For it's time, SM64 was a revolution whereas SMG, altho an excellent platformer, is just an evolution.

Why do people always jump to this? Nobody is denying what SM64 was for its time. We are simply comparing two games as they are today. If we are talking about how important Mario games are for their time then original SMB>>>>>all.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="TGM_basic"]

I can, because they are. Don't believe me? Play 'em again and see for yourself. The games not only still hold up today, they're still way better than what we're getting on the Wii.

Zorgax

I'd like to see you post a picture of your Wii (ewww) and the games you have for it with your username written on anything in the image as proof.

Cause I'm really not believing you have played a Wii at all.

impact at the time of release should always be an important factor, if not the most important. of course games today are superior in graphics, gameplays sound and pretty much everything, its unfair to compare games from eons ago to games now on those attributes.

when i played Super Mario 64 for the first time, it was way better than when i played Galaxy for the first time. this is not necessarily Galaxy's or Nintendo's fault, its just that i was a kid when SM64 came out so it was much more, how should i put this, 'magical'.

so for me, N64 will always be superior to Wii, and yes that is nostalgia talking, but what is wrong with nostalgia?

Impact is an important thing, but standards change and things that were innovative or good for their time lose their uniqueness as newer and better examples of the genre appear. I would say that standing the test of time is more important then making a huge initial impact. Mortal Kombat made an impact when it come out in 1992, but it fares poorly when compared to later fighting games. Street Fighter II has stood the test of time better, and is still fun to play, even two decades later.

The SNES and many of its games have stood the test of time. Super Mario World, A Link to the Past, Super Metroid, Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Trigger, and countless other games are still very playable and many of them are still held as the best games in their genres, even by modern standards. Even the NES has several games that have stood the test of time, and while looking ancient are still playable.

The problem with the N64 is that most of its games have aged poorly. Goldeneye was a fine FPS for its time, but for all the impact it made it can't stand up against modern examples of the genre. Compare that to Super Mario World which has aged well, and is still an excellent game when compared to New Super Mario Bros and New Super Mario Bros Wii.

The N64 does still have some playable games, but the limitations of 3D during that era and the cartdiage format have taken their toll on how well these games hold up. If anything, it could be argued that PS1 games have aged better then N64 titles.

I respect the N64 for the impact it made, but two generations later it has aged poorly.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Lol no, SM64 is actually just a mediocore game through and through.

ActicEdge

You do realize you're comparing a 15 year old game that ran on much worse hardware to a modern game, rite?

For it's time, SM64 was a revolution whereas SMG, altho an excellent platformer, is just an evolution.

So what? Why are people so caught up in how "revoltuionary" something is over how well it played and how good it was. I never thought SM64 was a great game and especially now I know I wasn't wrong. SMG is not going to age so poorly, it is a genuinely good game. Frankly 64 and sunshine are the weakest titles in the Mario series. The original has aged better than those 2 games and their 25 years old. In this day and age I care about great games, not landmarks or revolutions.

THANK YOU! People always say current Nintendo fans are in it for nostalgia, but it really seems the exact opposite is true.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Lol no, SM64 is actually just a mediocore game through and through.

Wiimotefan

You do realize you're comparing a 15 year old game that ran on much worse hardware to a modern game, rite?

For it's time, SM64 was a revolution whereas SMG, altho an excellent platformer, is just an evolution.

Why do people always jump to this? Nobody is denying what SM64 was for its time. We are simply comparing two games as they are today. If we are talking about how important Mario games are for their time then original SMB>>>>>all.

Well comparing them side to side is kinda unfair, don't you agree? One is 15 years old and runs on considerably worse hardware while the other is a modern, full-priced game. But if you want to play that card - SM64 has more exploration and more open worlds than SMG does.

[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

I'd like to see you post a picture of your Wii (ewww) and the games you have for it with your username written on anything in the image as proof.

Cause I'm really not believing you have played a Wii at all.

caryslan2

impact at the time of release should always be an important factor, if not the most important. of course games today are superior in graphics, gameplays sound and pretty much everything, its unfair to compare games from eons ago to games now on those attributes.

when i played Super Mario 64 for the first time, it was way better than when i played Galaxy for the first time. this is not necessarily Galaxy's or Nintendo's fault, its just that i was a kid when SM64 came out so it was much more, how should i put this, 'magical'.

so for me, N64 will always be superior to Wii, and yes that is nostalgia talking, but what is wrong with nostalgia?

If anything, it could be argued that PS1 games have aged better then N64 titles.

Almost all PS1 games got superior sequels whereas the N64 still has more unique titles that play well to this day.

[QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Majora's Mask

Ocarina of Time

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron

Star Wars: Episode 1 Racer

Star Fox 64

Super Mario 64

Pokemon Stadium

Pokemon Stadium 2

Conker's Bad Fur Day

Banjo Kazooie

Banjo Tooie

Donkey Kong 64

Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards

1080 Snowboarding

Wave Race 64

Super Smash Brothers

Mario Kart 64

Paper Mario

F-Zero X

More than fifteen, and I didn't list GoldenEye or Perfect Dark or Turok or Shadows of the Empire or any number of great games that the system had. Admittedly, GoldenEye and Perfect Dark suck now because of the controls, but FPS games that hold up more than a decade after release are rare anyway.

DarkLink77

New gamers are honestly better off playing Melee and Brawl if they want to start off with the SSB series (though there is no reason they shouldn't play a piece a of history of they are that interested, regardless of age).

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

You do realize you're comparing a 15 year old game that ran on much worse hardware to a modern game, rite?

For it's time, SM64 was a revolution whereas SMG, altho an excellent platformer, is just an evolution.

nameless12345

Why do people always jump to this? Nobody is denying what SM64 was for its time. We are simply comparing two games as they are today. If we are talking about how important Mario games are for their time then original SMB>>>>>all.

Well comparing them side to side is kinda unfair, don't you agree? One is 15 years old and runs on considerably worse hardware while the other is a modern, full-priced game. But if you want to play that card - SM64 has more exploration and more open worlds than SMG does.

Of course its unfair, but I'm not the one that brought this argument to the table. If someone is going to tell me that SM64 is better than SMG/SMG2 I'm going to tell them what I think. The discussion was not "which game had more impact for its time".

I don't even know what you're getting at with exploration and openness in SM64. Are you trying to say that makes it a better game? I can list games from the NES with more openness and exploration than SM64, but that doesn't make them any better or worse.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Anyone who seriously thinks the major Nintendo IP titles released on the N64 still outclass their Wii offspring today needs to take off the nostalgia glasses. You can't tell me with a straight face that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Ocarina of Time is a better game than Skyward Sword. You can say that you had more fun with them back then, or they had more of an impact when they were released, but if you put the Wii and N64 games before someone who has never played any of them he's going to say the Wii iterations are better.ActicEdge

Lol no, SM64 is actually just a mediocore game through and through.

Not really, it's actually pretty great. The Mario Galaxy titles, on the other hand, now those are mediocre games!

Everyone is wrong, SNES was better than both AND it actually had good 3rd party support... Dumbasses.

From a strictly 1st party standpoint, the Wii outdoes the 64, but damn did those Rare games on 64 kick ass.

I'm not going to bother reading past the first page but man no wonder sheep are always stereotyped as children, they can't read for sh!t and are dumber than a pile of manure. The canadian said nintendo games so why are all these dumbasses bringing up third party games? :| I don't know about Sanim but the reason I think the Wii is Nintendo's best console is simply because it can play all the games from Nintendo's past consoles(except the new models that don't play GC games).Rockman999

Wait, what?? The new Wii consoles don't play Gamecube games??

Metroid: Other M?

Fail list is fail.

Wow the wii-force is strong here.

N64 > Wii..
Its a fact.

For example... the fact that Mario 64 is being compared to Super Mario Galaxy 2 just shows how great a 15 yr old game can be.

The 'new' Nintendo fans defend the wii, but they forget what made the wii.

N64 changed the Industry FOR THE BETTER, unlike the wii did.. ie. MOTION CONTROLS.

Wii is by FAAAAAR the worst console to date due to technology and standards that are today.
Its more of a money making console and with a few good titles but some people fall for it too easily.
Look at the target audience for instance.

SNES, N64, GAMECUBE >>>> The heavily casualized wii.

All this topic has done is SEPERATE THE MEN FROM THE BOYS :lol:
-TRUTH-

Wow the wii-force is strong here.

N64 > Wii..
Its a fact.

For example... the fact that Mario 64 is being compared to Super Mario Galaxy 2 just shows how great a 15 yr old game can be.

The 'new' Nintendo fans defend the wii, but they forget what made the wii.

N64 changed the Industry FOR THE BETTER, unlike the wii did.. ie. MOTION CONTROLS.

Wii is by FAAAAAR the worst console to date due to technology and standards that are today.
Its more of a money making console and with a few good titles but some people fall for it too easily.
Look at the target audience for instance.

SNES, N64, GAMECUBE >>>> The heavily casualized wii.

All this topic has done is SEPERATE THE MEN FROM THE BOYS :lol:
-TRUTH-

g0ddyX

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

Wow the wii-force is strong here.

N64 > Wii..
Its a fact.

For example... the fact that Mario 64 is being compared to Super Mario Galaxy 2 just shows how great a 15 yr old game can be.

The 'new' Nintendo fans defend the wii, but they forget what made the wii.

N64 changed the Industry FOR THE BETTER, unlike the wii did.. ie. MOTION CONTROLS.

Wii is by FAAAAAR the worst console to date due to technology and standards that are today.
Its more of a money making console and with a few good titles but some people fall for it too easily.
Look at the target audience for instance.

SNES, N64, GAMECUBE >>>> The heavily casualized wii.

All this topic has done is SEPERATE THE MEN FROM THE BOYS :lol:
-TRUTH-

Am_Confucius

[QUOTE="Am_Confucius"]

Opinion=Facts? That's a new one.

g0ddyX

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

[QUOTE="Am_Confucius"]

Opinion=Facts? That's a new one.

Am_Confucius

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Lol no, SM64 is actually just a mediocore game through and through.

ActicEdge

You do realize you're comparing a 15 year old game that ran on much worse hardware to a modern game, rite?

For it's time, SM64 was a revolution whereas SMG, altho an excellent platformer, is just an evolution.

So what? Why are people so caught up in how "revoltuionary" something is over how well it played and how good it was. I never thought SM64 was a great game and especially now I know I wasn't wrong. SMG is not going to age so poorly, it is a genuinely good game. Frankly 64 and sunshine are the weakest titles in the Mario series. The original has aged better than those 2 games and their 25 years old. In this day and age I care about great games, not landmarks or revolutions.

lol g0ddyX :lol:

Stuff like this is the very reason you were on the SW ignore list. :lol:

[QUOTE="Am_Confucius"]

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

Wow the wii-force is strong here.

N64 > Wii..
Its a fact.

For example... the fact that Mario 64 is being compared to Super Mario Galaxy 2 just shows how great a 15 yr old game can be.

The 'new' Nintendo fans defend the wii, but they forget what made the wii.

N64 changed the Industry FOR THE BETTER, unlike the wii did.. ie. MOTION CONTROLS.

Wii is by FAAAAAR the worst console to date due to technology and standards that are today.
Its more of a money making console and with a few good titles but some people fall for it too easily.
Look at the target audience for instance.

SNES, N64, GAMECUBE >>>> The heavily casualized wii.

All this topic has done is SEPERATE THE MEN FROM THE BOYS :lol:
-TRUTH-

g0ddyX

Trying to bring up what game is better for it's time is irrelevant.

Wiimotefan

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

lol g0ddyX :lol:

Stuff like this is the very reason you were on the SW ignore list. :lol:

g0ddyX

Anyone who doesn't have their nostalgia goggles on max settings can see that SMG/SMG2 are superior in almost every category.

you're the only idiot who's laughing here.

Anyone who doesn't have their nostalgia goggles on max settings can see that SMG/SMG2 are superior in almost every category.Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

[QUOTE="Am_Confucius"] Opinion=Facts? That's a new one.

Shinobishyguy

Trying to bring up what game is better for it's time is irrelevant.

That's definitely a screenshot from an emulator...I'm not sure how upscaled it is or not, but that's not how it looks on the N64.

It looks more like this:

On the actual console.

N64 wasn't' on top in graphics back then xbox was.p4s2p0

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] you're the only idiot who's laughing here.

Anyone who doesn't have their nostalgia goggles on max settings can see that SMG/SMG2 are superior in almost every category.Eponique

Both the controls andcamera are incredibly unwieldy

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] you're the only idiot who's laughing here.

Anyone who doesn't have their nostalgia goggles on max settings can see that SMG/SMG2 are superior in almost every category.Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Eponique"] Is this the only argument SMG lovers have? The argument was only a few pages back; there are plenty of reasons to like SM64 over SMG and nostalgia has very little to do with it.

Eponique

Even then SMG2 puts up more of a legit challenge. It being linear doesn't some how make it "worse", it's just a different style of platforming all together.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] you're the only idiot who's laughing here.

Anyone who doesn't have their nostalgia goggles on max settings can see that SMG/SMG2 are superior in almost every category.Shinobishyguy

Both the controls andcamera are incredibly unwieldy

idk about that.. Those were the only two things that I think SM64 did better than Galaxy. I don't like galaxys camera because it takes away from the platforming. Having the character be larger on the screen makes the jumping feel better, and more immersive.. I feel like I am jumping along with mario, where as in Galaxy I am just watching mario hop around... And the levels in mario 64 are pretty open so there wasn't any points other than just the few that took place in really small areas where I had camera issues...

And idk, I thought the controls were some of the best ever in Mario 64.. I mean after playing it for so long I could literally fly through every level backwards without breaking a sweat.. The momentum system that changed your jumping was awesome... I loved just running back and forth and doings summersaults and backflips jumping off of walls.. I loved how loose it was, I always felt in total control of mario.. Where in Super Mario Galaxy the controls are a bit too tight and restrictive. Marios max running speed is a bit slow, and I feel I have to try too hard do flips.. Like I will only be able to do a summersault 3/5 times I try to do it because its so strict about the timing. Plus I wasn't really a big fan of the mid air spin, in a game about platforming it made it waaayy too easy.. But without using it the controls feel too tight and restrictive..

The level design is so much better that I am ok with it but if Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 had the focused camera and loose controls of Mario 64 it would pretty much be the best game ever.

Also Nintendo needs to go back to big immersive hub worlds, they have severly underestimated how much they add to the game.. It really makes the game feel like a cohesive world and that you are exploring all the aspects of this mysterious new place.. It is a much better format than just a collection of levels imo.. And there is so much potential to expand and make some amazing hub worlds..