N64 has better Nintendo games than Wii? BULL

[QUOTE="AzatiS"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I really only listed games that I think have aged well. All of those games are still fun to play. And most of them were hits.DarkLink77

You exaggerate ...alot... I think i need to bring you some sales numbers of half of your list to convince you.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="AzatiS"]

You exaggerate ...alot... I think i need to bring you some sales numbers of half of your list to convince you.

Slashless

[QUOTE="Slashless"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Super Smash Bros., Wave race, the Zelda games, Star Fox, the Mario games, the Banjo games, 1080, Conker, the Star Wars games, and Donkey Kong all sold well. But if you want to pull up some numbers for the other ones, feel free.DarkLink77

I really only listed games that I think have aged well. All of those games are still fun to play. And most of them were hits.Spartan070

You exaggerate ...alot... I think i need to bring you some sales numbers of half of your list to convince you.

So you also think N64 is the greatest console of all time or you just saying it had some good games to play with? Whats the deal here, dont make me search for nothing

but Conker was a great game to play. i love the game and i own it.jediknight52501

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Slashless"] Conker sold well? drinkerofjuice

So you also think N64 is the greatest console of all time or you just saying it had some good games to play with? Whats the deal here, dont make me search for nothing

AzatiS

[QUOTE="jediknight52501"]but Conker was a great game to play. i love the game and i own it.Slashless

[QUOTE="Slashless"][QUOTE="jediknight52501"]but Conker was a great game to play. i love the game and i own it.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="jediknight52501"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Majora's Mask

Ocarina of Time

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron

Star Wars: Episode 1 Racer

Star Fox 64

Super Mario 64

Pokemon Stadium

Pokemon Stadium 2

Conker's Bad Fur Day

Banjo Kazooie

Banjo Tooie

Donkey Kong 64

Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards

1080 Snowboarding

Wave Race 64

Super Smash Brothers

Mario Kart 64

Paper Mario

F-Zero X

More than fifteen, and I didn't list GoldenEye or Perfect Dark or Turok or Shadows of the Empire or any number of great games that the system had. Admittedly, GoldenEye and Perfect Dark suck now because of the controls, but FPS games that hold up more than a decade after release are rare anyway.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="Slashless"][QUOTE="jediknight52501"]but Conker was a great game to play. i love the game and i own it.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jediknight52501"]you forgot Killer Instinct Gold. another great Rare game.mitu123

[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Fairly certain it did.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"] "Conker's Bad Fur Day sold poorly due to limited advertising and a release towards the end of the Nintendo 64's life-cycle. Nevertheless, it received very positive reviews from critics, who lauded its graphics and audio, and also earned a cult following due to its unique styling." So yeah...no.drinkerofjuice

Killer Instinct Gold still holds up well since it plays better then the Arcade version imo.jediknight52501

Anyone can tell you it was a better system for its time with a stronger library. I was about to pwn that list but I'm not sure if you mean Nintendo developed or to.tomarlyn

You get a gold star for having the best rant I've seen in a long time. I agree completely. N64 was fun and all, but the Wii has it better.

[QUOTE="Aquaunitpatrol"][QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"] The N64 easily had more than 15 great games. :|DarkLink77

Majora's Mask

Ocarina of Time

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron

Star Wars: Episode 1 Racer

Star Fox 64

Super Mario 64

Pokemon Stadium

Pokemon Stadium 2

Conker's Bad Fur Day

Banjo Kazooie

Banjo Tooie

Donkey Kong 64

Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards

1080 Snowboarding

Wave Race 64

Super Smash Brothers

Mario Kart 64

Paper Mario

F-Zero X

More than fifteen, and I didn't list GoldenEye or Perfect Dark or Turok or Shadows of the Empire or any number of great games that the system had. Admittedly, GoldenEye and Perfect Dark suck now because of the controls, but FPS games that hold up more than a decade after release are rare anyway.

They always say us Nintendo fans are too tied up in nostalgia.

This thread basically basically separates the ones that are from the ones that aren't.

Sure N64 was better at the time. If you were a gamer at the time and didn't have an N64 you missed out on half the fun. The same can not be said about the Wii today. That I can agree with.

But lettuce be reality for a sec. For every experience offered on the N64 you can find an equal, or greater experience on the Wii.

N64 was an overated console. The games mostly suck in this day and age and weren't that great back then either. Yeah I said it.

N64 was fun and all, but the Wii has it better.

YearoftheSnake5

It really doesn't though...

N64 was an overated console. The games mostly suck in this day and age and weren't that great back then either. Yeah I said it.

ActicEdge

Yup, you sure did say it! You're WRONG, but you certainly did say it nonetheless...

N64 was an overated console. The games mostly suck in this day and age and weren't that great back then either. Yeah I said it.

ActicEdge

It was the first console that personally belonged to me, and I gotta say the PSOne was the much superior console at the time. RARE made some amazing games, (albeit some were ridiculously overrated), but outside of Zelda, Mario 64 and Star Fox 64, what did Nintendo give me that's better on that system over all the stuff they gave me this gen on the Wii?:? This gen they gave me more than double the amount of Nintendo IP's that were awesome than the N64 days, heck even on the GC.

But lettuce be reality for a sec. For every experience offered on the N64 you can find an equal, or greater experience on the Wii.

Wiimotefan

That's exactly what I've been trying to say since the beginning.:P

You get a gold star for having the best rant I've seen in a long time. I agree completely. N64 was fun and all, but the Wii has it better.YearoftheSnake5

Thank you.:) I actually thought about this for the last few days as I've been picking up a ton of awesome Wii games by Nintendo left and right for cheap and damn.:|

But lettuce be reality for a sec. For every experience offered on the N64 you can find an equal, or greater experience on the Wii.

Wiimotefan

It was the first console that personally belonged to me, and I gotta say the PSOne was the much superior console at the time. RARE made some amazing games, (albeit some were ridiculously overrated), but outside of Zelda, Mario 64 and Star Fox 64, what did Nintendo give me that's better on that system over all the stuff they gave me this gen on the Wii?:? This gen they gave me more than double the amount of Nintendo IP's that were awesome than the N64 days, heck even on the GC.

sanim02

Original Paper Mario was quite good. But I agree PS!>>>>>>>>>N64. Their Wii offerings are waaaay better and this is 10 years later when I have become way more objective to in looking at games.

I think the best N64 title was Ogre Battle 64.... just throwing this out there!

Super Mario 64 > Galaxy series.Eponique

I can't argue with the other franchises, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. I liked Galaxy and NSMBW better than SM64.

It's all nostalgia, in two gens from now everyone is going to say wii was the best nintendo system.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Super Mario 64 > Galaxy series.bobcheeseball

I can't argue with the other franchises, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. I liked Galaxy and NSMBW better than SM64.

The people that think the N64 is better than the Wii are Nintendo haters or nostalgia addicts. That being said, both are great consoles.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Anyone who seriously thinks the major Nintendo IP titles released on the N64 still outclass their Wii offspring today needs to take off the nostalgia glasses. You can't tell me with a straight face that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Ocarina of Time is a better game than Skyward Sword. You can say that you had more fun with them back then, or they had more of an impact when they were released, but if you put the Wii and N64 games before someone who has never played any of them he's going to say the Wii iterations are better.Eponique

Care to name some objective reasons why?

Here's some of the reasons why Super Mario Galaxy 2 is better:

* The graphics are much, much better both technically and stylistically (yes I know that's not Mario 64's fault, but I don't care. Graphics are graphics).

* Mario's handling feels tighter and more streamlined

* There's more imaginative powerups / worlds for Mario to explore

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Anyone who seriously thinks the major Nintendo IP titles released on the N64 still outclass their Wii offspring today needs to take off the nostalgia glasses. You can't tell me with a straight face that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Ocarina of Time is a better game than Skyward Sword. You can say that you had more fun with them back then, or they had more of an impact when they were released, but if you put the Wii and N64 games before someone who has never played any of them he's going to say the Wii iterations are better.Eponique

In crazy, minority opinion, lack of understanding for great design world, sure. :lol:

Sometimes I think Nintendo included Throwback Galaxy in SMG2 just to show case how much better their level designs are now.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Anyone who seriously thinks the major Nintendo IP titles released on the N64 still outclass their Wii offspring today needs to take off the nostalgia glasses. You can't tell me with a straight face that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Ocarina of Time is a better game than Skyward Sword. You can say that you had more fun with them back then, or they had more of an impact when they were released, but if you put the Wii and N64 games before someone who has never played any of them he's going to say the Wii iterations are better.peterw007

Care to name some objective reasons why?

Here's some of the reasons why Super Mario Galaxy 2 is better:

* The graphics are much, much better both technically and stylistically (yes I know that's not Mario 64's fault, but I don't care. Graphics are graphics).

* Mario's handling feels tighter and more streamlined

* There's more imaginative powerups / worlds for Mario to explore

* The camera work is much better.

* Each SMG game provides much more variety than you get with most games and crushes SM64 in this regard.

* Each level is genius crafted vs. the boring empty filler space levels in SM64.

I think people that prefer SM64 over SMG2 are really just wanting a mediocre adventure game rather than a fine tuned platformer.

I liked the N64 more then the Wii. And I'm going to say this Super Mario 64 is better then Galaxy 1 and 2 combined.

Problem guys?

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Anyone who seriously thinks the major Nintendo IP titles released on the N64 still outclass their Wii offspring today needs to take off the nostalgia glasses. You can't tell me with a straight face that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy 2, or Ocarina of Time is a better game than Skyward Sword. You can say that you had more fun with them back then, or they had more of an impact when they were released, but if you put the Wii and N64 games before someone who has never played any of them he's going to say the Wii iterations are better.peterw007

Care to name some objective reasons why?

Here's some of the reasons why Super Mario Galaxy 2 is better:

* The graphics are much, much better (yes I know that's not Mario 64's fault, but I don't care. Graphics are graphics).

* Mario's handling feels tighter and more streamlined

* There's more imaginative powerups / worlds for Mario to explore

*More open-ended/ open-world. *More memorable levels and moments. *Better music. *Better difficulty. The graphics are better, but I don't care much for Wii graphics. I'll give you the second point. I disagree with your third point entirely. Metal Mario, Flying Mario, invisible Mario. If you're talking about imaginative, you must agree that the value of imagination/effort doesn't disagree over time (imagination in 1996 is no less valuable than imagination in 2007). If you agree to that, then no recent Mario game comes close to Mario 64, the first 3D Mario game. It spawned a new genre and changed gaming itself. Eponique

No. You're looking at it in a historical perspective.

We're not talking about gaming impact or genre milestones...we're directly comparing the content in one game to the content in a related game.

I don't care if Mario 64 changed gaming itself...that's not the point of this discussion.

Anyway..

Your points are...subjective as to whether or not it makes Mario 64 a better game. But I'll work with what you got.

More open-world does not equal a better game. Some would argue that Super Mario World was the greatest Mario game of all time, and that was completely linear.

Yes the difficulty was harder in Super Mario 64. Depending on the experience you want to have and your skill level, that could be a good thing or a bad thing.

The music...I would agree with you there. Overall Super Mario 64 had superior (more memorable) music.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"] Super Mario 64 is better than Super Mario Galaxy 2. :|Eponique

Care to name some objective reasons why?

Here's some of the reasons why Super Mario Galaxy 2 is better:

* The graphics are much, much better (yes I know that's not Mario 64's fault, but I don't care. Graphics are graphics).

* Mario's handling feels tighter and more streamlined

* There's more imaginative powerups / worlds for Mario to explore

Wrong, wrong and wrong (unless by better difficulty you mean easier).

And I dont deny that SM64 had a big impact on gaming, but that really has nothing to do with a game being better or worse.

No. You're looking at it in a historical perspective.

We're not talking about gaming impact or genre milestones...we're directly comparing the content in one game to the content in a related game.

I don't care if Mario 64 changed gaming itself...that's not the point of this discussion.

Anyway..

Your points are...subjective as to whether or not it makes Mario 64 a better game. But I'll work with what you got.

More open-world does not equal a better game. Some would argue that Super Mario World was the greatest Mario game of all time, and that was completely linear.

Yes the difficulty was harder in Super Mario 64. Depending on the experience you want to have and your skill level, that could be a good thing or a bad thing.

The music...I would agree with you there. Overall Super Mario 64 had superior (more memorable) music.

peterw007

Yes, the linear vs. open-ended argument is subjective, but there's not that many people that like linear games for being linear. People may hate on open-ended world games because they might be confused as to what to do next or they may be stuck, but M64 wasn't the type of game where that would happen. It struck the perfect balance. Galaxy on the other hand could definitely be defined as linear, you follow a straight path basically.

And yes, difficulty is also subjective. But IMHO, Mario Galaxy was very skewed in its difficulty. It was either a cakewalk, or very frustrating (that mantaray race thing still haunts me, I also hated those candy levels with the holes on the ground).

I'm glad we could agree on the music :P I still hum the ice world music. And the epic Bowser-level music was epic :o

Wrong, wrong and wrong (unless by better difficulty you mean easier).

And I dont deny that SM64 had a big impact on gaming, but that really has nothing to do with a game being better or worse.

Wiimotefan

* The camera work is much better.

* Each SMG game provides much more variety than you get with most games and crushes SM64 in this regard.

* Each level is genius crafted vs. the boring empty filler space levels in SM64.

I think people that prefer SM64 over SMG2 are really just wanting a mediocre adventure game rather than a fine tuned platformer.

Wiimotefan

With your last point, you come back to the question of imagination. I personally believe more care and work was put into each level of Mario 64 - it was the first 3D platformer after all. I won't deny that SMG is a very creative game itself though. I much prefer the open-ended SM64 levels over the packed but linear levels of SMG anyway.

The only throwback I really want from the N64 era is a full-blown remake of WaveRace 64.