Name five things that consoles do better than pcs...

[QUOTE="AzatiS"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

how is standardisation a bad thing, we a buy a game we know we can run it out the box and just throw it in sit down with a nice cold beer and get on with it.

Plug in and play, if your building a rig from scratch that aint the case you've got to build it,install windows,get everything working, then download steam, install games etc etc consoles have an upper hand there unbox connect scart/hdmi and set the time make a little silly profile 10min later boom gaming time.

Retail support is larger for console games as DD is more prevelant on the PC nowadays.

All friends on the same service is down to there only being one service.

I do consider plug in and play and standardisation good points to be honest, as there are some dopey folks on this planet who couldnt setup a desktop or know what their system specs were.

razgriz_101

Because you playing with the PC myths here.

Im gaming since 2001 with PCs. I was a console user only before that. I never , EVER , had a problem with a game. How you can say PC games isnt sure that running. If you play on Pentium 4 still and trying to play Crysis 1 , yeah you might got big issues. But its the same as you trying to play Crysis 2 on PS2.

Plug and play is really subjective. Most people buy ready machines. Do you know consoles have their own OS to run games do you? Same as windows. As for Install , i prefer have almost none existant loading screens , than waiting almost 30sec-1min every loading screen ( no install ). I prefer to install for 10min and no loading. Yeah i do.

Who said that? I buy all my PC games as easy as consoles ones. Same shops selling consoles as PC games as well. All my PC games are hard copies. How you saying this? DD is just a plus way to buy games for PC which is one more option for PCs ofc. Is not that lacks retail support.

You talking like PC cant have all people under one online service...come on!!!!!

I can see some valid points but overall i dont see how these points making consoles better than PCs. Really

and about 90% of those PC's wont run up to date games that great try harder champ i know your really trying but getting the best out of PC gaming and games running decently requires decent hardware aswell.

And the way your acting irrationally bout PC gaming its pointless arguing with you as your literally grasping at straws especially oh but i install and threes no loads yeah that might be the case for OLD games now but i could tell you it would still take a good 20-30 seconds to load a BC2 map on PC on a decent spec PC.

Also the retail thing is more centric to where i live where the PC now has literally a minimal prescense and the PS2 even out does it in shelf space.

My PC is 5 years old and i finished Crysis 2 at max settings. I dont need to try harder. IT FACT.

With my 6 years old Pentium 4 at 2.8 and 1.5 GB ram i finished COD4!!!! at 800x600 but still!! Try that with PS2!!

Im talking with proofs. .

You are basing on PC myths and only that. Facts are far from myths though and ofcourse is pointless to argue with me since you are basing on myths and im on Facts. Period

1) Standardization across hardware 2) All my friends are on one online service 3) Cheaper upfront 4) Retail support is easier (matters to me, since I am not always assured of online connectivity) 5) In case my system stops working, identifying the error is swift and after service support is really easy Please note that I am not slagging off on PC gaming. I am just answering the question asked.charizard1605

Pretty much sums it all up.
Great post.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="AzatiS"]

Because you playing with the PC myths here.

Im gaming since 2001 with PCs. I was a console user only before that. I never , EVER , had a problem with a game. How you can say PC games isnt sure that running. If you play on Pentium 4 still and trying to play Crysis 1 , yeah you might got big issues. But its the same as you trying to play Crysis 2 on PS2.

Plug and play is really subjective. Most people buy ready machines. Do you know consoles have their own OS to run games do you? Same as windows. As for Install , i prefer have almost none existant loading screens , than waiting almost 30sec-1min every loading screen ( no install ). I prefer to install for 10min and no loading. Yeah i do.

Who said that? I buy all my PC games as easy as consoles ones. Same shops selling consoles as PC games as well. All my PC games are hard copies. How you saying this? DD is just a plus way to buy games for PC which is one more option for PCs ofc. Is not that lacks retail support.

You talking like PC cant have all people under one online service...come on!!!!!

I can see some valid points but overall i dont see how these points making consoles better than PCs. Really

AzatiS

and about 90% of those PC's wont run up to date games that great try harder champ i know your really trying but getting the best out of PC gaming and games running decently requires decent hardware aswell.

And the way your acting irrationally bout PC gaming its pointless arguing with you as your literally grasping at straws especially oh but i install and threes no loads yeah that might be the case for OLD games now but i could tell you it would still take a good 20-30 seconds to load a BC2 map on PC on a decent spec PC.

Also the retail thing is more centric to where i live where the PC now has literally a minimal prescense and the PS2 even out does it in shelf space.

My PC is 5 years old and i finished Crysis 2 at max settings. I dont need to try harder. IT FACT.

With my 6 years old Pentium 4 at 2.8 and 1.5 GB ram i finished COD4!!!! at 800x600 but still!! Try that with PS2!!

Im talking with proofs. .

You are basing on PC myths and only that. Facts are far from myths though and ofcourse is pointless to argue with me since you are basing on myths and im on Facts. Period

oh jesus....that Pent 4 pc is still more powerful than a PS2 where as the PS2 is from 2000 less powerful hardware alltogether back then we werent really hitting gigahertz territiory just yet back then,FACT

And more than likely your 5 year old PC has been upgraded and going by specs 5 years ago most of the computers in that ballpark were strugling with high let alone max settings.

Your arguements are about as strong as a paper baag and 800x600,6 years ago this November he 360 will have been out and in fact it had games at launch 720p so that arguement is hillarious.

Quality arguements champ you really have less of a clue than most of them parading round these boards.

1. Split-screen that doesn't require an awful amount of settings.
2. Cheaper to play your favorite games, consoles are at most $600 when they launch, now they are even in the $200-$250 price point.
3. Considering the price-point of consoles, you get fantastic looking games that looks similar to their PC counterparts you won't notice the difference most of the times.
4. Plug and play, enough said ( even though there are patches and updates they are simple and integrated with the OS there is no hassle).
5. Full controller support, 3D support for most games out of the box and controller peripherals( move, kinect, wiimote ) all simple plug and play.
6. Reliability, consoles are more reliable than PCs, you could get to buy one console and play it non-stop for over 4-5 years.
7. Longer technology cycles and investment, if you buy a console you wouldn't worry about the next 4-6 years to upgrade.
8. Stronger retail support, you are not alone if you want to rent, buy, sell new and used games and accessories with PC try to sell your digitally purchased games.

now onto the real stuff and what matters most.

1. More diverse genres to choose from that most of the time doesn't even exist to PC.
2. Fantastic new IPs and old established franchises that only comes on consoles.
3. Bigger budget games mindset from developers with higher production values when it comes to console games.
4. Unified online gaming eco-system created to make sure every console owner is connected with games and friends in the same service.
5. Console games offers trendsetting gameplay mechanics and game design never before seen in the previous gen or games in the past, innovation is what keeps the gamers coming to consoles especially when it comes to exclusives.

[QUOTE="AzatiS"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

and about 90% of those PC's wont run up to date games that great try harder champ i know your really trying but getting the best out of PC gaming and games running decently requires decent hardware aswell.

And the way your acting irrationally bout PC gaming its pointless arguing with you as your literally grasping at straws especially oh but i install and threes no loads yeah that might be the case for OLD games now but i could tell you it would still take a good 20-30 seconds to load a BC2 map on PC on a decent spec PC.

Also the retail thing is more centric to where i live where the PC now has literally a minimal prescense and the PS2 even out does it in shelf space.

razgriz_101

My PC is 5 years old and i finished Crysis 2 at max settings. I dont need to try harder. IT FACT.

With my 6 years old Pentium 4 at 2.8 and 1.5 GB ram i finished COD4!!!! at 800x600 but still!! Try that with PS2!!

Im talking with proofs. .

You are basing on PC myths and only that. Facts are far from myths though and ofcourse is pointless to argue with me since you are basing on myths and im on Facts. Period

oh jesus....that Pent 4 pc is still more powerful than a PS2 where as the PS2 is from 2000 less powerful hardware alltogether back then we werent really hitting gigahertz territiory just yet back then,FACT

And more than likely your 5 year old PC has been upgraded and going by specs 5 years ago most of the computers in that ballpark were strugling with high let alone max settings.

Your arguements are about as strong as a paper baag and 800x600,6 years ago this November he 360 will have been out and in fact it had games at launch 720p so that arguement is hillarious.

Quality arguements champ you really have less of a clue than most of them parading round these boards.

The funny thing is i bought Pentium 1 years after PS2 release.

Oh jesus indeed. I did finished a "next gen" product with "old gen" hardware. How i did that if i need constantly upgrades? I DIDNT and I DONT!!! You see now , you talking again about upgrades. I DIDNT upgrade...!!! And yeah if you buy a 300$$ PC will struggle after 3-4 years. So consoles will with next gen.

The difference is that if a PC gamer wants to play 720p or lower , he can easily do it even if his PC is low end. Also ill say it again. Pentium 4 2.8 ( it was 2.4 was overclock ) , 1.5 GB ram DDR 333 and ATI x800 . COD4. At 800x600. You think i WONT DO THIS with my current PC ( able to play on low res and graphic settings ) into next gen games?

Quote me then and ill prove it when time comes because im talking with proofs , not my opinion alone.

What more to argue about? You dont know about PC gaming. period

Well, when TC is right he's right. Here are things PC's can do consoles can't

1. Refuse to work with a game because you have graphics card x instead of graphics card y, z or t

2. Hacks and exploits aplenty for all of us to have fun with in any Call of Duty or Counter Strike game

3. Waste hours of my time while I dig through the internet to find the answer to a super obscure problem, then manually install a patch for a game that is somehow completely broken on PC when I can instantly play it on consoles (hello GTA IV and Saints Row 2)

4. Anti piracy measures that let me use 5 discs to install one game, or stay online all the time to play

5. Buying new games, because you can't get used or rent games on PC's now can you?

Seriously, PC gaming is not some end all way to game and elitists are just like every other fanboy with this: Trying in vain to justify their purchase decision because everyone else is wrong about what they like and they are right and nanananana not listening.

Also if anyone reads this I'll probably get a flurry of hate and denial, but seriously, even if all those issues are somehow "minor" to you, on a console they are nonexistant. I like PC gaming because I can deal with these, but not everyone has the time or patience to, and these are very real problems for people who can't be bothered to spend $1000 just for high end gaming, or take the time to build their own computer.

Well, when TC is right he's right. Here are things PC's can do consoles can't

1. Refuse to work with a game because you have graphics card x instead of graphics card y, z or t

2. Hacks and exploits aplenty for all of us to have fun with in any Call of Duty or Counter Strike game

3. Waste hours of my time while I dig through the internet to find the answer to a super obscure problem, then manually install a patch for a game that is somehow completely broken on PC when I can instantly play it on consoles (hello GTA IV and Saints Row 2)

4. Anti piracy measures that let me use 5 discs to install one game, or stay online all the time to play

5. Buying new games, because you can't get used or rent games on PC's now can you?

Seriously, PC gaming is not some end all way to game and elitists are just like every other fanboy with this: Trying in vain to justify their purchase decision because everyone else is wrong about what they like and they are right and nanananana not listening.

Also if anyone reads this I'll probably get a flurry of hate and denial, but seriously, even if all those issues are somehow "minor" to you, on a console they are nonexistant. I like PC gaming because I can deal with these, but not everyone has the time or patience to, and these are very real problems for people who can't be bothered to spend $1000 just for high end gaming, or take the time to build their own computer.

SPYDER0416

1) Im gaming with PC since 2001 , never happened what you claiming. Im so damn lucky?

2) Consoles aint got hacks? Ehmm...

3) Blame the developers and their bad console port over PC. Its not a hardware problem.

4) Wii is already dead , X360 and their RROD etc etc... All got their problems it seems. Again its companies problem. And there are many ways to go around that you know.

5) Really? You dont want me to answer this!!!! Its so simple. Tell me now youre leader on BF and CoD clan , on console versions? I think not! Why?

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="AzatiS"]

My PC is 5 years old and i finished Crysis 2 at max settings. I dont need to try harder. IT FACT.

With my 6 years old Pentium 4 at 2.8 and 1.5 GB ram i finished COD4!!!! at 800x600 but still!! Try that with PS2!!

Im talking with proofs. .

You are basing on PC myths and only that. Facts are far from myths though and ofcourse is pointless to argue with me since you are basing on myths and im on Facts. Period

AzatiS

oh jesus....that Pent 4 pc is still more powerful than a PS2 where as the PS2 is from 2000 less powerful hardware alltogether back then we werent really hitting gigahertz territiory just yet back then,FACT

And more than likely your 5 year old PC has been upgraded and going by specs 5 years ago most of the computers in that ballpark were strugling with high let alone max settings.

Your arguements are about as strong as a paper baag and 800x600,6 years ago this November he 360 will have been out and in fact it had games at launch 720p so that arguement is hillarious.

Quality arguements champ you really have less of a clue than most of them parading round these boards.

The funny thing is i bought Pentium 1 years after PS2 release.

Oh jesus indeed. I did finished a "next gen" product with "old gen" hardware. How i did that if i need constantly upgrades? I DIDNT and I DONT!!! You see now , you talking again about upgrades. I DIDNT upgrade...!!! And yeah if you buy a 300$$ PC will struggle after 3-4 years. So consoles will with next gen.

The difference is that if a PC gamer wants to play 720p or lower , he can easily do it even if his PC is low end. Also ill say it again. Pentium 4 2.8 ( it was 2.4 was overclock ) , 1.5 GB ram DDR 333 and ATI x800 . COD4. At 800x600. You think i WONT DO THIS with my current PC ( able to play on low res and graphic settings ) into next gen games?

Quote me then and ill prove it when time comes because im talking with proofs , not my opinion alone.

What more to argue about? You dont know about PC gaming. period

you keep running in circles little doggy i've never talked once bout upgrades so stop changing arguement to suit your pathetic paper bag of an arguement..

you fail to have any understanding on this matter, you were talking bout that computer being more powerful than a PS2 well no crap batman it sure as hell is gonna be more powerful as its a fair bit more advanced tech wise over PS2 which specs were finalised in 1999 if im not mistaken.

ON TOP OF THAT the 2.4gz P4s' didnt come out till 2002 oh wait thats 2 YEARS after PS2's release, 800x600 is an outdated resolution and why are you trying to argue if a PC gamer wants to game below 720p sorry son but thats the most ill thought out arguement for reasons like how horribly strectched and garfunkled it will look on a newe monitor aswell it would be utterly pointless.

The fact your using low rez which are rez's below which even CoD4 puts out on consoles might i remind you despite being Sub-HD it runs at 1024x600 which is still more than that rez your trying to use as an arguement :roll:

In the words of apu THANK YOU COME AGAIN.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

1. Ease of use
2. Lower cost
3. Full controller support
4. Much simpler plug and play (simple updates)
5. Play games exclusive to the consoles better :P

sami117

plu in and play is the same as ease of use full controller supprt?

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="sami117"]

all gaming is nerdy... try again

sami117

but if you go up to talk to some girl and your only hobby is gaming regardless of system thats nerdy (and nerdy is not a bad thing)

1. Halo series
2. standardized hardware
3. pop the game in and play
4. Lower cost
5. standardized interface

NeonNinja

What is this "pop the game in" that you speak ok? You mean you actually have to get up, remove existing disc from the tray and insert the game disc to start playing?! Oh the horror! :D

Really this is something I consider a HUGE disadvantage that consoles have. On PC, I have to install the game first, granted, but after that it's simply double-click and play. No messing around with discs. And with Steam (or other DD services) it's so much more convenient. If a game costs the same or even slightly more on Steam compared to retail, I'll buy it on Steam just for the added convenience.

Hardware compatibility issues don't really exist on consoles.

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

1. Halo series
2. standardized hardware
3. pop the game in and play
4. Lower cost
5. standardized interface

nunovlopes

What is this "pop the game in" that you speak ok? You mean you actually have to get up, remove existing disc from the tray and insert the game disc to start playing?! Oh the horror! :D

Really this is something I consider a HUGE disadvantage that consoles have. On PC, I have to install the game first, granted, but after that it's simply double-click and play. No messing around with discs. And with Steam (or other DD services) it's so much more convenient. If a game costs the same or even slightly more on Steam compared to retail, I'll buy it on Steam just for the added convenience.

Don't know if its just me (regardless it adds to my point) but when I was without internet I couldn't play any of my steam games. That is a huge pile of bull ****.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

1. Halo series
2. standardized hardware
3. pop the game in and play
4. Lower cost
5. standardized interface

ActicEdge

What is this "pop the game in" that you speak ok? You mean you actually have to get up, remove existing disc from the tray and insert the game disc to start playing?! Oh the horror! :D

Really this is something I consider a HUGE disadvantage that consoles have. On PC, I have to install the game first, granted, but after that it's simply double-click and play. No messing around with discs. And with Steam (or other DD services) it's so much more convenient. If a game costs the same or even slightly more on Steam compared to retail, I'll buy it on Steam just for the added convenience.

Don't know if its just me (regardless it adds to my point) but when I was without internet I couldn't play any of my steam games. That is a huge pile of bull ****.

Offline mode usually works well. There are however instances where Offline mode will not work for some reason. When that happens it's a bummer. Still it's advantages far outweigh that minor issue that only happens to some people and only rarely.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

What is this "pop the game in" that you speak ok? You mean you actually have to get up, remove existing disc from the tray and insert the game disc to start playing?! Oh the horror! :D

Really this is something I consider a HUGE disadvantage that consoles have. On PC, I have to install the game first, granted, but after that it's simply double-click and play. No messing around with discs. And with Steam (or other DD services) it's so much more convenient. If a game costs the same or even slightly more on Steam compared to retail, I'll buy it on Steam just for the added convenience.

nunovlopes

Don't know if its just me (regardless it adds to my point) but when I was without internet I couldn't play any of my steam games. That is a huge pile of bull ****.

Offline mode usually works well. There are however instances where Offline mode will not work for some reason. When that happens it's a bummer. Still it's advantages far outweigh that minor issue that only happens to some people and only rarely.

There shouldn't be any usuallys involved. I bought a title off the service. The fact that whether I can play it or not without online depends on whether it feels like working is a huge annoyance and something that doesn't happen with consoles.

You invite your friends to your house:

Do you:
1. Show them your PC and play there alone while your friends stare at your back.

or

2. Show them your PS3 in a 48" TV and have a fighting game tourney.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Don't know if its just me (regardless it adds to my point) but when I was without internet I couldn't play any of my steam games. That is a huge pile of bull ****.

ActicEdge

Offline mode usually works well. There are however instances where Offline mode will not work for some reason. When that happens it's a bummer. Still it's advantages far outweigh that minor issue that only happens to some people and only rarely.

There shouldn't be any usuallys involved. I bought a title off the service. The fact that whether I can play it or not without online depends on whether it feels like working is a huge annoyance and something that doesn't happen with consoles.

What if a console breaks? What if the disc is scratched or broken? What if I want to play a multiplayer game and PSN/Live is down? Many problems can prevent you from playing a game. With Steam, if you don't have internet, there are some highly unusual situations where offline mode doesn't work, but on 99% of cases it will work just fine. Steam eliminates disc related issues (scratching, losing the disc, etc.), of course other issues are introduced.

Whatever system you're using something will eventually go wrong and prevent you from playing your games. Thing is, you shouldn't focus on those 1% of cases where things go wrong. Most of the time they don't, and that's why people say Steam is a great service, because its advantages far outweigh its disadvantages.

You invite your friends to your house:

Do you:
1. Show them your PC and play there alone while your friends stare at your back.

or

2. Show them your PS3 in a 48" TV and have a fighting game tourney.

nitekids2004

Well, personally I don't like fighting games, so number 2 is not an option.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Offline mode usually works well. There are however instances where Offline mode will not work for some reason. When that happens it's a bummer. Still it's advantages far outweigh that minor issue that only happens to some people and only rarely.

nunovlopes

There shouldn't be any usuallys involved. I bought a title off the service. The fact that whether I can play it or not without online depends on whether it feels like working is a huge annoyance and something that doesn't happen with consoles.

What if a console breaks? What if the disc is scratched or broken? What if I want to play a multiplayer game and PSN/Live is down? Many problems can prevent you from playing a game. With Steam, if you don't have internet, there are some highly unusual situations where offline mode doesn't work, but on 99% of cases it will work just fine. Steam eliminates disc related issues (scratching, losing the disc, etc.), of course other issues are introduced.

Whatever system you're using something will eventually go wrong and prevent you from playing your games. Thing is, you shouldn't focus on those 1% of cases where things go wrong. Most of the time they don't, and that's why people say Steam is a great service, because its advantages far outweigh its disadvantages.

I've brought this up in another thread. Steam has its flaws:

100% of the time, you cannot re-sell your games on Steam nor can you share it (unless you plan giving away your username/password) to a friend.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

You invite your friends to your house:

Do you:
1. Show them your PC and play there alone while your friends stare at your back.

or

2. Show them your PS3 in a 48" TV and have a fighting game tourney.

nunovlopes

Well, personally I don't like fighting games, so number 2 is not an option.

How about 4 Player co-op Beat em'up? Or just a simple sports game like NBA? or 2 player co-op GeoW?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Offline mode usually works well. There are however instances where Offline mode will not work for some reason. When that happens it's a bummer. Still it's advantages far outweigh that minor issue that only happens to some people and only rarely.

nunovlopes

There shouldn't be any usuallys involved. I bought a title off the service. The fact that whether I can play it or not without online depends on whether it feels like working is a huge annoyance and something that doesn't happen with consoles.

What if a console breaks? What if the disc is scratched or broken? What if I want to play a multiplayer game and PSN/Live is down? Many problems can prevent you from playing a game. With Steam, if you don't have internet, there are some highly unusual situations where offline mode doesn't work, but on 99% of cases it will work just fine. Steam eliminates disc related issues (scratching, losing the disc, etc.), of course other issues are introduced.

Whatever system you're using something will eventually go wrong and prevent you from playing your games. Thing is, you shouldn't focus on those 1% of cases where things go wrong. Most of the time they don't, and that's why people say Steam is a great service, because its advantages far outweigh its disadvantages.

Wha if the PC breaks?

Which you think is worse then not being able to play any of your purchased content because you lack online?

frankly your 99% line means nothing because you aren't 99% of people and the one time I needed it to work it failed.

I am not making the plug that consoles > PC. I'm saying its bs that PCs have 0 issues and do everything better then consoles.

Funny how TC succeeded in stirring a hornet's nest with you guys :roll:

He posed a simple question, which could've easily been answered in the same fashion I did in a massive joint effort to mess with TC in the same manner TC messed with SW. All this thread did was bring out the console fanboys for a scuffle with the PC ones.

1. Piracy is less of an issue so you can trade in games and buy used ones, resulting incheaper old games.
2. They are plug and play... they just work right out of the box.
3. Games are standardized so you know you will have the same experience as all other users.
4. Cheaper hardware.
5. Cheating (via hacks) is more difficult and less prevalent.

Turn key operation, repeat 4 more times. :P

Now when we speak consoles are we talking about Three Machines vs One Machine?

The__Havoc

I prefer gaming on Consoles to PC but I appreciate that the purpose built gamingPC is a higer quality games machine. To answer the orginal post though:

1. Unified online service.

2. Free system software updates that guarantee to work with my system and all mygames.

3. Controller is standard for all games. Only official licensed controllers, so less likely to encountermodded quickfire triggers etc..

4. Bigger range of games to choose from in shops (UK)

5. No risk of virus or malware infections (xbox 360)

[QUOTE="sami117"]

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Get better games.

I don't think I need another reason.

Pug-Nasty

nope

Absolutely. Maybe it's the fact that PC only games are usually PC only due to a low budget, but I find PC only games to be sub par. My most recent attempt to get into one was Witcher 2, and I don't think it's gonna click for me anytime soon.

Even multiplat games I've played on PC were inherently worse because of M/KB. I did try using my ps3 controller on a few games, but if that's the only way to enjoy the games I might as well play them on my ps3.

Exclusives: PC wins

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=0

(exclusives from 11/15/05 to current)

PC AAAe = 16, AAe = 90, Ae = 95
PS3 AAAe = 9, AAe = 18, Ae = 20
360 AAAe = 8, AAe = 16, Ae = 19

Multiplats: PC wins

PC - 1920x1200, 4-8xAA, 16xAF, Max settings, 60fps, large fov, k/m, mods, dedicate servers, etc

consoles - 1280x720, 0-2xAA, 0xAF, low-medium settings, 30fps, small fov, controller, no mods, no dedicate servers, etc

also k/m is much better than controller because it is much more accurate and responsive, the keys layout are better etc, not to mention that you can use a controller as well.

i dare you..... ease of use is the only and cost less(for hardware) positive for consoles

sami117

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

1. God of War
2. Uncharted
3. uhhhhhhhh
4. ummmmm
5. ?

sami117

im not talking games(although pc would win in that discussion too)

1. Convenience - plug 'n play.

2. Local multiplayer.

3. Initial price - it's cheaper to get started with a console (~US$200,00) than it is with a PC.

4. Time before you need to switch - if you bought a 360 in '06 or a PS3 in '07, you'll only need to "upgrade" in '12 - '14, whereas a PC requires updates every few years to remain in league with its competitors.

5. Optimization is always done for your console. Since the specs don't change, released games will always be optimized for your machine.

--

I'm not saying consoles are better than PCs. You asked me to name five things consoles do better than PCs, and these are some of them.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

There shouldn't be any usuallys involved. I bought a title off the service. The fact that whether I can play it or not without online depends on whether it feels like working is a huge annoyance and something that doesn't happen with consoles.

nitekids2004

What if a console breaks? What if the disc is scratched or broken? What if I want to play a multiplayer game and PSN/Live is down? Many problems can prevent you from playing a game. With Steam, if you don't have internet, there are some highly unusual situations where offline mode doesn't work, but on 99% of cases it will work just fine. Steam eliminates disc related issues (scratching, losing the disc, etc.), of course other issues are introduced.

Whatever system you're using something will eventually go wrong and prevent you from playing your games. Thing is, you shouldn't focus on those 1% of cases where things go wrong. Most of the time they don't, and that's why people say Steam is a great service, because its advantages far outweigh its disadvantages.

I've brought this up in another thread. Steam has its flaws:

100% of the time, you cannot re-sell your games on Steam nor can you share it (unless you plan giving away your username/password) to a friend.

I never said it doesn't have flaws, I even mentioned a couple of disadvantages. What I'm saying is that it's flaws are minor things for most PC gamers. I have no intention to re-sell my games for example. And when you buy games really cheap on a Steam sale, there's no point in reselling those.

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[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Get better games.

I don't think I need another reason.

Pug-Nasty

nope

Absolutely. Maybe it's the fact that PC only games are usually PC only due to a low budget, but I find PC only games to be sub par. My most recent attempt to get into one was Witcher 2, and I don't think it's gonna click for me anytime soon.

Even multiplat games I've played on PC were inherently worse because of M/KB. I did try using my ps3 controller on a few games, but if that's the only way to enjoy the games I might as well play them on my ps3.

multiplats are sooo much better on pc, and M@kb is also much better for most games.

1. Plug and Play

2. First party support

3. cheap consoles (but expensive acessoires and games)

4. Some genres you have a hard time finding on PC (3D platformers mostly) and vice versa

Portal 2. You get the ps3 verison and the PC version. That's right, a multiplat valve game better on a console.

15strong

So the PS3 version of portal 2 is better because you get the PC version ? I don't get that.

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="Arach666"] Gotta admit,I lol´d. :lol:

Jankarcop

PC has more AAA-AA exclusives than all the consoles combined atm.

Most multiplats are better on PC.

The online is superior, the deals are better, you get mods, more control options.

You trollin?

95% of multiplats are twice as good on pc... you guys only really get half the expireance.

1. Consoles are better at being cheap (as in costing money).

2. Consoles are better at breaking (as in RROD).

3. Consoles are better at not being able to render great graphics..

4. Consoles are better at not having games I want to play.

5. Consoles are better in case a burglar enters your house and you need something quick to hurl.

fireballonfire

hahahahaha so true.

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Cool story bro.

jettpack

Also i think your argument about steams sales not being a good thing is silly. You dont have to buy games that you arent going to play, thats your choice you cant call it a con. I once saw over 50 games for 50 dollars in a bundle on sale once on steam. TELL ME THAT ISNT AMAZING.

Also i would argue PCs exclusives are better (we definately have 10X more of them) but who has the best exclusives is really about personal taste.

silly consolites... protecting their far inferior machines.

1) Cheaper hardware

2) Easy

3) Exclusives

Sorry can only name 3 :/

commonfate

an easy counter argument to the exclusives would be the much more and better exclusives that pc offers try again.

Wha if the PC breaks?

Which you think is worse then not being able to play any of your purchased content because you lack online?

frankly your 99% line means nothing because you aren't 99% of people and the one time I needed it to work it failed.

I am not making the plug that consoles > PC. I'm saying its bs that PCs have 0 issues and do everything better then consoles.

ActicEdge

I don't know where did you get the impression that I said PCs have 0 issues, but it certainly wasn't from anything I've written. I even acknowlegded that Steam's offline mode occasionally fails.

EVERY piece of hardware or software has issues, that's not what this discussion is about.

This discussion started when I said that playing from discs is not convenient at all and IMO is a disadvantage that consoles have versus the option of double-clicking and start playing, and I stand by that. The fact that Offline mode may not work in a very unlikely situation is IMO irrelevant compared to the benefit of not having to use any discs. My internet is rarely down and when it is down, I just had the Offline problem ONCE over the course of 4 years that I'm using Steam. It's a blip in the radar and I certainly won't switch to console gaming (or retail copies) because of that.

1. Price

2. Plug & Play

3. JRPGs

4. Platformers

5. Social Acceptability :P

Bigboi500

you realise that all gaming is equally nerdy.... unless your 13

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[QUOTE="Cow4ever"] It'spretty much true though.sami117

PC has more AAA-AA exclusives than all the consoles combined atm.

Most multiplats are better on PC.

The online is superior, the deals are better, you get mods, more control options.

You trollin?

95% of multiplats are twice as good on pc... you guys only really get half the expireance.

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Consoles could also game at 60fps with 1080p and offer more freedom. The thing is they don't.ActionRemix

I don't think most people can even tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps unless they're side by side. As far as 1080p goes, DVD's sell more than Blu-rays. DVD overcame VHS mainly because of portability, not because of picture quality. Most people aren't that picky. Yes, 60 fps and 1080p are better than 30 fps and upscaled 604p, but most people would rather give that up than the benefits of consoles, which do exist despite rhetoric here.

The PC provides some things that consoles don't, but don't overvalue those strengths while undervaluing the benefits of consoles.

Pc is superior in so many ways... console hav a very limited amount of things they do better than pc... visa versa its nearly infinite.