Nintendo embraces cheats, more games to have a skip feature.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="Brownesque"]Who cares? Games should be played instead of the other way around.KungfuKitten

this would make a game like reading a book, i mean skipping difficult parts especially if you pay £40 for a game just means you get less for your cash cause it lowers difficulty....*sigh* what happened to the days when i was bout 7 years old looking for an unlimited lifes cheat for a game out a playstation mag...

But in effect i think this idea is one of the worst idea's ever, purely cause it will inevitably catch on and at one point even your dad who's never picked up a "insert console here" pad will be able to beat a game without thinking.Making it even more like an interactive movie when you think bout it xD.

this would make a game like reading a book, i mean skipping difficult parts especially if you pay £40 for a game just means you get less for your cash cause it lowers difficulty....*sigh* what happened to the days when i was bout 7 years old looking for an unlimited lifes cheat for a game out a playstation mag...

But in effect i think this idea is one of the worst idea's ever, purely cause it will inevitably catch on and at one point even your dad who's never picked up a "insert console here" pad will be able to beat a game without thinking.Making it even more like an interactive movie when you think bout it xD.

razgriz_101

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

this would make a game like reading a book, i mean skipping difficult parts especially if you pay £40 for a game just means you get less for your cash cause it lowers difficulty....*sigh* what happened to the days when i was bout 7 years old looking for an unlimited lifes cheat for a game out a playstation mag...

But in effect i think this idea is one of the worst idea's ever, purely cause it will inevitably catch on and at one point even your dad who's never picked up a "insert console here" pad will be able to beat a game without thinking.Making it even more like an interactive movie when you think bout it xD.

kansasdude2009

nah its more the fact they will see reward in it even though its not rewarding at all, and inevitably to appeal to the casuals most games start shipping with this kinda stuff which kinda detracts from when i was growing up i never had this and i think its actually a bad thing especially for people yet to start playing games as in a sense its taking away a lot of the fun of what a game is about imo.Cause after a hard part you feel a sense of a achievement where as that will be lost because people will try the hard part once or twice then just skip it...

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

this would make a game like reading a book, i mean skipping difficult parts especially if you pay £40 for a game just means you get less for your cash cause it lowers difficulty....*sigh* what happened to the days when i was bout 7 years old looking for an unlimited lifes cheat for a game out a playstation mag...

But in effect i think this idea is one of the worst idea's ever, purely cause it will inevitably catch on and at one point even your dad who's never picked up a "insert console here" pad will be able to beat a game without thinking.Making it even more like an interactive movie when you think bout it xD.

razgriz_101

nah its more the fact they will see reward in it even though its not rewarding at all, and inevitably to appeal to the casuals most games start shipping with this kinda stuff which kinda detracts from when i was growing up i never had this and i think its actually a bad thing especially for people yet to start playing games as in a sense its taking away a lot of the fun of what a game is about imo.Cause after a hard part you feel a sense of a achievement where as that will be lost because people will try the hard part once or twice then just skip it...

[QUOTE="Crossel777"][QUOTE="-Oath"]

Well, only time will tell if this is true ;)

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

[QUOTE="Crossel777"] Sheep where denying it would happen to the Zelda franchise. It's pretty obviously this is what Nintendo wants to do. Totally destroy gaming. It's happening.Crossel777

I like the idea. I think it's unfair that some people will pay a lot of money for a game and might only get a little of the content. And if you don't like it, don't use itSolidSnake35

[QUOTE="Crossel777"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"] I want it in my zelda. Maybe then Nintendo can stop making gigantic bosses that die way too easily. Maybe now they can ramp up the difficulty for the hardcore and let the casuals simply watch to see how it's done. This is actually a good learning tool also. It's another way to bridge casuals into full gamers.

kansasdude2009

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[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"] Do you not like the idea of a dad wanting to beat a game?kansasdude2009

nah its more the fact they will see reward in it even though its not rewarding at all, and inevitably to appeal to the casuals most games start shipping with this kinda stuff which kinda detracts from when i was growing up i never had this and i think its actually a bad thing especially for people yet to start playing games as in a sense its taking away a lot of the fun of what a game is about imo.Cause after a hard part you feel a sense of a achievement where as that will be lost because people will try the hard part once or twice then just skip it...

or as Robert the Bruce said "if at first you dont succeed try try again." Kinda live by that when im playing games or doing anything i feel it really would detract from the overall experience of any game especially Zelda with puzzles, those are imo core parts of the game i would be annoyed if it prompted me i could skip cause it really detracts from the game being immersive imo.

You people need to really look at what this is doing. Those saying this is killling gaming for everybody speak for yourselves, to this day I still haven't beaten a Zelda game to completion due to the fact that i'm just horrible at puzzles. This feature is a godsend to people like me who wouldlike to get the experiancewithout all the mind bending frustration that comes with knowing your never gonna finish. Also it has benefits for the hardcore too, now you can go back and fight all those epic boss fights again without starting the whole game over again. This is advancing gaming and is a great way for nintendo to find its happy medium in catering to both groups of gamers.

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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

nah its more the fact they will see reward in it even though its not rewarding at all, and inevitably to appeal to the casuals most games start shipping with this kinda stuff which kinda detracts from when i was growing up i never had this and i think its actually a bad thing especially for people yet to start playing games as in a sense its taking away a lot of the fun of what a game is about imo.Cause after a hard part you feel a sense of a achievement where as that will be lost because people will try the hard part once or twice then just skip it...

razgriz_101

or as Robert the Bruce said "if at first you dont succeed try try again." Kinda live by that when im playing games or doing anything i feel it really would detract from the overall experience of any game especially Zelda with puzzles, those are imo core parts of the game i would be annoyed if it prompted me i could skip cause it really detracts from the game being immersive imo.

Enter the era of the "WIN" button. I could understand if Nintendo's games were as ****ing hard as they were on the NES... but this is ridiculous. Anyone with a little patience can beat all of Nintendo's modern games.

Enter the era of the "WIN" button. I could understand if Nintendo's games were as ****ing hard as they were on the NES... but this is ridiculous. Anyone with a little patience can beat all of Nintendo's modern games.

foxhound_fox

Anyone with a little patience can beat all of Nintendo's modern games.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Crossel777"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"] I want it in my zelda. Maybe then Nintendo can stop making gigantic bosses that die way too easily. Maybe now they can ramp up the difficulty for the hardcore and let the casuals simply watch to see how it's done. This is actually a good learning tool also. It's another way to bridge casuals into full gamers.

kansasdude2009

Ofcourse I do, you get an option, a choice but just because that option is there doesn't mean it's any less going ruin the game. A game should forcefully challenge us not temp us with cheats and ingame guides. Thats what gamers are like they give in to temptation because lets be honest gamers are lazy and some even think challenge is what holds a game back when infact it's the exact opposite, it's what makes the game fun. Only when they actually play a game thats insanely easy they start complaining that it's too easy and much too short etc, etc. Then soon enough when where all used to using cheats and AI control bots that play game for us. There wont be no bloody choice, it will be standard to make games retard easy. Heck you don't even know if there is an option.

I don't think this is aimed to "anyone with a little patience".IronBass

Ofcourse I do, you get an option, a choice but just because that option is there doesn't mean it's any less going ruin the game.Crossel777

How are casual players supposed to turn into hardcore gamers when the game can play itself for them?

Those people shouldn't be playing games, they should be watching movies.foxhound_fox

I don't think anyone here is in position to say what kind of people "should" play videogames or not.

I wonder what fanboys would say if Sony and Microsoft copied this idea too...

If the whole motion sensing thing taught us something, chances are they'd be singing an entirely different tune.

[QUOTE="IronBass"] I don't think this is aimed to "anyone with a little patience".foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="Crossel777"] They wont though, what makes you think they give a damn about core gamers anymore. You know what I think, the new zelda is going to be insanely easy and it's going to have cheats and ingame guides that will hold your hand through the entire game. If I was a sheep I'd feel insulted right now. Their turning Zelda into a toddlers game. Zelda didn't become highly popular franchise for being insanely easy. Neither are casuals that dumb seriously. It's optional lol? You put any crap into a game and call it optional.Crossel777

Ofcourse I do, you get an option, a choice but just because that option is there doesn't mean it's any less going ruin the game. A game should forcefully challenge us not temp us with cheats and ingame guides. Thats what gamers are like they give in to temptation because lets be honest gamers are lazy and some even think challenge is what holds a game back when infact it's the exact opposite, it's what makes the game fun. Only when they actually play a game thats insanely easy they start complaining that it's too easy and much too short etc, etc. Then soon enough when where all used to using cheats and AI control bots that play game for us. There wont be no bloody choice, it will be standard to make games retard easy. Heck you don't even know if there is an option.

That makes little sense. It's like saying that every Contra game is automatically ruined because of the Konami code (and we all know they have it). Which is obviously false.IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"] I don't think this is aimed to "anyone with a little patience".foxhound_fox

Excellent, now that we have defined what games are, let us keep this industry as bottled up as possible.

We don't know how this is going to work. The original patent had a system of videos to show you how to do a puzzle in zelda. It's not as if it goes to a black screen and says: "ok, here is your next challenge." This system was broken up into several chapters, you pick a chapter to watch, the chapter you were stuck on. People have deemed it the "skip" feature because people love labeling.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]That makes little sense. It's like saying that every Contra game is automatically ruined because of the Konami code (and we all know they have it). Which is obviously false.foxhound_fox

The problem with your argument. You do not have the privilege of speaking for everyone. For that reason, it's an option. :)

[QUOTE="IronBass"]That makes little sense. It's like saying that every Contra game is automatically ruined because of the Konami code (and we all know they have it). Which is obviously false.foxhound_fox

But not everyone has the same feelings about it as you, some might get frustrated fast and skip gaming alltogether.

So I see this as opening a new door for a new crowd. And I don't see a problem with it as long as it's optional.

BTW, didn't Forza 3 have some sort of function like this? Like a rewind function if you screw something up? That's not the same thing as skipping, but it sure as hell makes things alot easier.

I don't think anyone here is in position to say what kind of people "should" play videogames or not.

IronBass

well...i personally don't see what's wrong with this. this feature has been in a ton of games already and been around for a very long time. plus it'd be good for casual gamers. hardcore gamers don't need to use this feature. plus i don't think wii has anything like trophies or achivements so it's not like it'll count towards anything...

Which is more rewarding... beating Contra without using a single continue, or using the Konami Code and dying 50 times.foxhound_fox

I wonder what fanboys would say if Sony and Microsoft copied this idea too...

If the whole motion sensing thing taught us something, chances are they'd be singing an entirely different tune.

LordQuorthon

They are simply not, don't dodge the point by making a hypothetical question. This really defeates the object of having a game. As has been said 'Enter the era of the "Win" Button' it's just cheap beyond beleif and for most younger users will be too temping and ruin the experience of gaming, this is more exaples of Nintendo tempering their games for people who are too inept or lazy to actually play them, if you have a Win button in zelda people will never get any better at it, they will just skip more as the games goes on. If over 10million kids in the 1980s could play NES games surley kids today can play marios casual racing fest 5 without i win button, it's just insulting to a userbase when games are actually getting easier, more simple and shorter on the system.

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]Ofcourse I do, you get an option, a choice but just because that option is there doesn't mean it's any less going ruin the game.IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"]I don't think anyone here is in position to say what kind of people "should" play videogames or not.

foxhound_fox

If people just want to get the reward, why not? Maybe they just want to fly around with the final wing cap in the next mario game. What's wrong with that? How is that hurting you? Why is that such a bad thing? You may think it's a bastardization of gaming, but it's just different than what you are used to. People are different, you should learn that.

People will get used to it.Crossel777

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Crossel777"]Ofcourse I do, you get an option, a choice but just because that option is there doesn't mean it's any less going ruin the game.Crossel777

...please, do tell me more.

Biggest 2 defenders in this thread:

One has a Link avatar and a LKS sig, the other has a Metroid sig.




Just sayin'

Biggest 2 defenders in this thread:

One has a Link avatar and a LKS sig, the other has a Metroid sig.




Just sayin'

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[QUOTE="Crossel777"] People will get used to it.IronBass

[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

Biggest 2 defenders in this thread:

One has a Link avatar and a LKS sig, the other has a Metroid sig.




Just sayin'

killerfist

Yeah but you're part of GUFU which is even worse :P

the other has a Metroid sig.STRETCH-E

Biggest 2 defenders in this thread:

One has a Link avatar and a LKS sig, the other has a Metroid sig.




Just sayin'

STRETCH-E

[QUOTE="killerfist"]

[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

Biggest 2 defenders in this thread:

One has a Link avatar and a LKS sig, the other has a Metroid sig.




Just sayin'

STRETCH-E

Yeah but you're part of GUFU which is even worse :P

Nah, I just don't see the big deal. It's optional. We'll live.

They are simply not, don't dodge the point by making a hypothetical question. This really defeates the object of having a game.BoloTheGreat

It doesn't. It works the exact same way as a video walkthrough. It's entirelty optional and it takes absolutely nothing away from the game.

But that's ok. Go ahead and keep yelling hysterically about Nintendo KILLIN TEH GAMEING ZOMGGGGG. If this idea catches on, your favorite company will copy it, and you will love it.

Dude....:x killerfist

:P

Remember bud, our affiliation allows us to share key-phrases.

Nice avatar, btw.

Here's another example of how this could be damaging, it's a lot like what happened with GCSE coursework here in the UK and part of the reason it was scrapped in many areas, people were getting their parents to do it all for them using them as a kind of "Win button" at schoolwork. They then had no idea baout the subjects at hand and when they did independent or exam work they couldn't do it. Do you see the problem?

When people get acustomed to their problems just magically disapearing they fail to progress in their understanding, if someone who is used to having things done for them tries to do it themselves they will more than likely fail at it. Say someone plays these games, skips arround a lot and feels great about themselves, then they try an older game say... Ratchet and clank for instance, there is a jump they can't make they just turn the game off instead of trying becuase they are used to not having to try. No imagine a whole genration of Wii gamers grow up with win bottons, they will simply not be able to game without them or have to play stupidly easy games due to their lack of any real experice. We will end up with a market of easy/ ultra skippable games.

Gaming is a learning process like any hobby/ activity and you learn most when you fail, this system allows people to just fast worard the learing process and challanges that can be so rewarding and allow you to access more complex challenges and activities.

Biggest 2 defenders in this thread:

One has a Link avatar and a LKS sig, the other has a Metroid sig.




Just sayin'

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And you are Dire Toad, the fanboy that cannot post anything beyond idiotic one-liners.