Nintendo have become a cancer to the games industy

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

They made a bad decision to release a handheld without a second analog stick? I don't recall DS owners hitting the streets for a second analog stick...

mmmwksil

Guess it all makes sense now. Nintendo didn't listen to the complaints of the PSP fans. Mystery solved!!

DS gamers didnt even have one analogue stick, never mind 2 :lol:

PSP owners saw the downfalls of having one, hence Sony doing dual analogue on the Vita. Nintendo on the other hand just dont care. Theyd rather nickel and dime you with add ons than actually release a competent piece of hardware these days.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] That was all PSP fanboys who wanted it!RR360DD

Guess it all makes sense now. Nintendo didn't listen to the complaints of the PSP fans. Mystery solved!!

DS gamers didnt even have one analogue stick, never mind 2 :lol:

PSP owners saw the downfalls of having one, hence Sony doing dual analogue on the Vita. Nintendo on the other hand just dont care. Theyd rather nickel and dime you with add ons than actually release a competent piece of hardware these days.

the thing is most of the time the DS didnt even need one to begin with oh....the irony.Bout every DS game i played was absolutely fine without an analogue.

PSP on the other hand suffered because it was a toggle stick not an analogue, was hell for playing Ace combat on tbh most of the time i resorted to the good ol dpad for it.

I've owned both handhelds btw.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

Guess it all makes sense now. Nintendo didn't listen to the complaints of the PSP fans. Mystery solved!!

razgriz_101

DS gamers didnt even have one analogue stick, never mind 2 :lol:

PSP owners saw the downfalls of having one, hence Sony doing dual analogue on the Vita. Nintendo on the other hand just dont care. Theyd rather nickel and dime you with add ons than actually release a competent piece of hardware these days.

the thing is most of the time the DS didnt even need one to begin with oh....the irony.Bout every DS game i played was absolutely fine without an analogue.

PSP on the other hand suffered because it was a toggle stick not an analogue, was hell for playing Ace combat on tbh most of the time i resorted to the good ol dpad for it.

I've owned both handhelds btw.

DS gamers didnt even have one analogue stick, never mind 2 :lol:

PSP owners saw the downfalls of having one, hence Sony doing dual analogue on the Vita. Nintendo on the other hand just dont care. Theyd rather nickel and dime you with add ons than actually release a competent piece of hardware these days.

RR360DD

How can you try and justify the missing second stick just because the competition is doing it? Where was the PSP's touchscreen to compete with the DS?

Obviously, Sony didn't care.

How old are you? I just dont see how older gamers would like the wii over the 360 and ps3. Does not compute. Advid-Gamer

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

DS gamers didnt even have one analogue stick, never mind 2 :lol:

PSP owners saw the downfalls of having one, hence Sony doing dual analogue on the Vita. Nintendo on the other hand just dont care. Theyd rather nickel and dime you with add ons than actually release a competent piece of hardware these days.

mmmwksil

How can you try and justify the missing second stick just because the competition is doing it? Where was the PSP's touchscreen to compete with the DS?

Obviously, Sony didn't care.

The Vita has a touchscreen and touchpad :| So they met the competition and bettered it. So Sony do care.

I never expected Nintendo to release a DS with dual analogue, however i did expect the 3DS to have it. Obviously not ... until this add-on of course.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

DS gamers didnt even have one analogue stick, never mind 2 :lol:

PSP owners saw the downfalls of having one, hence Sony doing dual analogue on the Vita. Nintendo on the other hand just dont care. Theyd rather nickel and dime you with add ons than actually release a competent piece of hardware these days.

lordlors

the thing is most of the time the DS didnt even need one to begin with oh....the irony.Bout every DS game i played was absolutely fine without an analogue.

PSP on the other hand suffered because it was a toggle stick not an analogue, was hell for playing Ace combat on tbh most of the time i resorted to the good ol dpad for it.

I've owned both handhelds btw.

I sold my DS after bout a year of ownership it wasnt my cup of tea tbh i had it along side the PSP but it was still a great machine it just didnt have the same appeal as MGS: PO,AC X and MH freedom 2 to me..this topic makes me miss my Psp a litte but the vita's round the corner but i'll be waiting for a price drop on it as im moving out next year i think with if everything goes according to plan.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]How old are you? I just dont see how older gamers would like the wii over the 360 and ps3. Does not compute. foxhound_fox

Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.CS Lewis

Bravo for bringing out Lewis' great quote, foxhound. You are a light of hope in SW, and an inspiration to many including myself. :cry:

[quote="CS Lewis"]Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][quote="CS Lewis"]Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.bbkkristian

nout wrong with lego its strangely a great tool for designing Kojima done a lot of level design with Lego for MGS1 and 2 nout childish bout that :P

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

DS gamers didnt even have one analogue stick, never mind 2 :lol:

PSP owners saw the downfalls of having one, hence Sony doing dual analogue on the Vita. Nintendo on the other hand just dont care. Theyd rather nickel and dime you with add ons than actually release a competent piece of hardware these days.

RR360DD

How can you try and justify the missing second stick just because the competition is doing it? Where was the PSP's touchscreen to compete with the DS?

Obviously, Sony didn't care.

The Vita has a touchscreen and touchpad :| So they met the competition and bettered it. So Sony do care.

I never expected Nintendo to release a DS with dual analogue, however i did expect the 3DS to have it. Obviously not ... until this add-on of course.

So they waited until the NEXT device? Leave the PSP to fend for itself against the DS, I see.

Sony: Abandon the SS PSP! She's a goner! We'll get those scurvy Nintendogs next time!! *shakes fist*

Also, why would you expect 3DS to have a second stick? What possible train of thought would lead you to this expectation?

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][quote="CS Lewis"]Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.razgriz_101

nout wrong with lego its strangely a great tool for designing Kojima done a lot of level design with Lego for MGS1 and 2 nout childish bout that :P

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] This makes me sad that I refuse play with my LEGOs again... :( Seriously.bbkkristian

nout wrong with lego its strangely a great tool for designing Kojima done a lot of level design with Lego for MGS1 and 2 nout childish bout that :P

pff look at what james may did

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214729/James-May-size-Lego-house-wants.html

i would live in that house if it was inhabitable with electricity,net,and running water :P

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][quote="CS Lewis"]Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.bbkkristian

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

How can you try and justify the missing second stick just because the competition is doing it? Where was the PSP's touchscreen to compete with the DS?

Obviously, Sony didn't care.

mmmwksil

The Vita has a touchscreen and touchpad :| So they met the competition and bettered it. So Sony do care.

I never expected Nintendo to release a DS with dual analogue, however i did expect the 3DS to have it. Obviously not ... until this add-on of course.

So they waited until the NEXT device? Leave the PSP to fend for itself against the DS, I see.

Sony: Abandon the SS PSP! She's a goner! We'll get those scurvy Nintendogs next time!! *shakes fist*

Also, why would you expect 3DS to have a second stick? What possible train of thought would lead you to this expectation?

Because its been the standard in controls for over a decade now? Because people have asked for it? Obviously there was an expectation there, or else nintendo wouldnt have announced this add-on.

Why defend this pathetic piece of plastic? Why not accept that maybe nintendo should have included it in the handheld in the first place, and not rushed it out the door with cheaply painted plastic at a ridiculous price?

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][quote="CS Lewis"]Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.lordlors

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

The Vita has a touchscreen and touchpad :| So they met the competition and bettered it. So Sony do care.

I never expected Nintendo to release a DS with dual analogue, however i did expect the 3DS to have it. Obviously not ... until this add-on of course.

RR360DD

So they waited until the NEXT device? Leave the PSP to fend for itself against the DS, I see.

Sony: Abandon the SS PSP! She's a goner! We'll get those scurvy Nintendogs next time!! *shakes fist*

Also, why would you expect 3DS to have a second stick? What possible train of thought would lead you to this expectation?

Because its been the standard in controls for over a decade now? Because people have asked for it? Obviously there was an expectation there, or else nintendo wouldnt have announced this add-on.

Why defend this pathetic piece of plastic? Why not accept that maybe nintendo should have included it in the handheld in the first place, and not rushed it out the door with cheaply painted plastic at a ridiculous price?

"has become"?? has always been!!

Because its been the standard in controls for over a decade now? Because people have asked for it? Obviously there was an expectation there, or else nintendo wouldnt have announced this add-on.

Why defend this pathetic piece of plastic? Why not accept that maybe nintendo should have included it in the handheld in the first place, and not rushed it out the door with cheaply painted plastic at a ridiculous price?

RR360DD

*cracks knuckles* Here we go...

Standard in controls for CONSOLES, not handhelds. Different market & standards.
People asked for a second analog stick on PSP/Vita, which they got. My heart's out to them.
Nintendo released the add-on for use with Monster Hunter, probably under request from Capcom to make their game work. I mean, it's the game that would give Nintendo an edge over the Vita. Tit-for-tat.
I don't defend the 3DS, I'm just bringing up counterpoints for the sake of argument. It's why we come to System Wars. It provides me with entertainment, so I do it. :P
I accept that Nintendo rushed the 3DS out to market to capitalize on the inital WOW factor regarding the 3D. I still am not convinced including the second stick is necessary or vital for the survival of the handheld. And I agree the initial price point was ridiculous, and am now happy they lowered it. I am still not happy the Vita is $250, however. These are handhelds, darn it, I don't want to pay $200+ for a pocket device.

I think that covered everything. ;)

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

So they waited until the NEXT device? Leave the PSP to fend for itself against the DS, I see.

Sony: Abandon the SS PSP! She's a goner! We'll get those scurvy Nintendogs next time!! *shakes fist*

Also, why would you expect 3DS to have a second stick? What possible train of thought would lead you to this expectation?

lordlors

Because its been the standard in controls for over a decade now? Because people have asked for it? Obviously there was an expectation there, or else nintendo wouldnt have announced this add-on.

Why defend this pathetic piece of plastic? Why not accept that maybe nintendo should have included it in the handheld in the first place, and not rushed it out the door with cheaply painted plastic at a ridiculous price?

Hey now, that's a little harsh on the original DS. I bought the original DS day 1, along with Mario 64 DS, and I was so impressed with it and loved it. In fact, looking back, I've never been happier with a handheld in my life than I was the day I brought home my DS fat :lol:

Because its been the standard in controls for over a decade now? RR360DD

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]Because its been the standard in controls for over a decade now? foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]Because its been the standard in controls for over a decade now? Timstuff

I agree. What is with this idea so many people have that handhelds aren't allowed to emulate the experience of a console? Who made that rule, Nintendo? What is wrong with broadening your horizons, and having the exclusive handheld experiences already present on handhelds, but also having the added dimension of an optional console experience if wanted? Why should a handheld limit itself is the question. I personally think it shouldn't be limited. If the technology is feasible and available, then handhelds should continue to provide the unique experiences only available on handhelds, but also provide the option to play your favorite console games with the proper console control options.

The people that have a problem with console games/controls on handhelds are way too closed minded. Your exclusive handheld games/experiences aren't going anywhere. What is wrong with having more controller options? What is the problem with having more game options? More genre options? More input options? Options are never a bad thing, especially when they all perform well. The reason that handhelds haven't been more home console focused in the past have been due to hardware limitations. They have always tried to emulate consoles in a way, the DS launched with Mario 64, the GBA launched with Super Mario World. It's just that now with the emergence of PSVita, true console experiences are a reality and I'm all for it. Don't think for a second that unique handheld experiences will be absent on the Vita, there will be a ton of games that emphasize the unique gameplay experiences possible on the handheld.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][quote="CS Lewis"]Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.bbkkristian

Oh look another Nintendo hate thread. :roll:

Oh look another Nintendo hate thread. :roll:

Demonjoe93

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

Oh look another Nintendo hate thread. :roll:

Advid-Gamer

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

Oh look another Nintendo hate thread. :roll:

Advid-Gamer

Its well deserved as are the others, and I will continue to bash them until they give me a reason not to, and Im not talking 1 or 2 games over the course of 6 yearsAdvid-Gamer

I posted this in another thread regarding why not use a iPod Analog Stick.

It's me playing Metroid Prime Hunters First Hunt Demo on my 3DS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89WbiqT745U

[QUOTE="p3anut"]"but at least Sony is trying something original with their next handheld." Whats so original? A second stick? Sony bashed the DS touch screen when the DS came out and now their system has a touch screen.Timstuff

That has yet to be proven. Nintendo at least has experience with touch screen in a handheld, whereas Sony is on their first go around. I'll try the Vita for sure, but I'm sure it will take some time for developers to get used to something new, like the Vita touch pads.

[QUOTE="p3anut"]"but at least Sony is trying something original with their next handheld." Whats so original? A second stick? Sony bashed the DS touch screen when the DS came out and now their system has a touch screen.Timstuff

And 6 years later, I might add.

PS: love that Crapcom sig logo :lol:

Nintendo had it first, but Sony is doing it better.Timstuff

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="p3anut"]"but at least Sony is trying something original with their next handheld." Whats so original? A second stick? Sony bashed the DS touch screen when the DS came out and now their system has a touch screen.mmmwksil

And 6 years later, I might add.

PS: love that Crapcom sig logo :lol:

[QUOTE="AzatiS"] What more evidence you want , when Wii is the first console since ATARI 2600 where it entered this gen last and dying first , DESPITE it sold 75Million units and its first on this gens race. What more evident you want when Wii isthe first console in gaming history that its first on console race AND LACK 98% of ALL AAA/AA Multis the best developers release for the dead third PS3!! What more evidence you want when Wii in a year wont be viable AT ALL , when PSone , PS2 , SNES , Genesis , NES,AMIGA!! were viable 1 to 2 years into next gen!!? Aka they had support even we were in next gen!! Want more evidences than that for Nintendo dont give a damn about their fans ? Do you know that Sony is on a SERIOUS loss this gen , and in fact will end up with loses alone out of PS3 at the end of this gen , but still provide top notch games and support to their customers? Isnt something fishy here for Nintendo? LegatoSkyheart

That's not a whole lot of evidence dude.

With Nintendo when they make a New System why should they continue supporting something that's going to die off soon.

Sony dropped just about all support for the PS2, The only thing they are doing is just shipping the system, None of thier Studios are actually making PS2 games only 3rd Parties.

I don't even remember there being anymore Xbox Original games coming out when the 360 came out, the only real support Microsoft gave it after the 360 came out was Xbox Live and that's gone now.

I'm looking at Nintendos Games and it doesn't really seem like they betrayed fans or Supported fans, They just made games with everyone in Mind, Super Mario Galaxy gives Fans and New Commers a Great Mario Game, Super Smash Bros. Brawl gives Fans and New Comers a great Brawler Game, etc......

Some Fans didn't like Kirby's Epic Yarn, But look There's a New Kirby Game coming out where it plays like the other Kirby Games. Were Fans Betrayed?

Oh they must have been Betrayed when Other M came out, because the game gave Samus a little bit more of a personality.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Vita has a multitouch screen, while Nintendo is using an outdated, more limited touch screen technology (pressure-based). Nintendo had it first, but Sony is doing it better.Timstuff

And 6 years later, I might add.

PS: love that Crapcom sig logo :lol:

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Nintendo had it first, but Sony is doing it better.foxhound_fox

Consoles in general are a cancer to the games industry. Everything should be on the PC. *tries to play God of War on the PC* OH MY GOD I CANT CONTROLLL HIMMMLethalhazard

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Nintendo had it first, but Sony is doing it better.foxhound_fox

Sony is selling the Vita at a loss. Why does it matter to you if Sony profits and whether or not they sell their products at a loss? As consumers, we win when we buy products from Sony, because we're getting the good deal and they're taking the hit. Whereas when we buy products from Nintendo, we lose because they are overpricing their hardware so that they can sell at a considerable profit.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Vita has a multitouch screen, while Nintendo is using an outdated, more limited touch screen technology (pressure-based). Nintendo had it first, but Sony is doing it better.Timstuff

And 6 years later, I might add.

PS: love that Crapcom sig logo :lol:

I'm not here to make excuses for Nintendo. I'm not on their payroll. I just wanted to point that one thing out. And comment on your sig.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]Nintendo had it first, but Sony is doing it better.arkephonic

Sony is selling the Vita at a loss. Why does it matter to you if Sony profits and whether or not they sell their products at a loss? As consumers, we win when we buy products from Sony, because we're getting the good deal and they're taking the hit. Whereas when we buy products from Nintendo, we lose because they are overpricing their hardware so that they can sell at a considerable profit.

Nintendo doesn't have a lucrative electronics EMPIRE to fund their pet project :roll:

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] At a higher cost. And is Sony going into releasing the Vita selling at a profit, or a loss?mmmwksil

Sony is selling the Vita at a loss. Why does it matter to you if Sony profits and whether or not they sell their products at a loss? As consumers, we win when we buy products from Sony, because we're getting the good deal and they're taking the hit. Whereas when we buy products from Nintendo, we lose because they are overpricing their hardware so that they can sell at a considerable profit.

Nintendo doesn't have a lucrative electronics EMPIRE to fund their pet project :roll:

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] At a higher cost. And is Sony going into releasing the Vita selling at a profit, or a loss?mmmwksil

Sony is selling the Vita at a loss. Why does it matter to you if Sony profits and whether or not they sell their products at a loss? As consumers, we win when we buy products from Sony, because we're getting the good deal and they're taking the hit. Whereas when we buy products from Nintendo, we lose because they are overpricing their hardware so that they can sell at a considerable profit.

Nintendo doesn't have a lucrative electronics EMPIRE to fund their pet project :roll:

That's true, Nintendo doesn't have the ability to sell hardware at a loss. But to act like it is a bad thing that Sony sells their hardware at a loss is ridiculous, how would that possibly be a bad thing for us as consumers?

It's a huge advantage that Sony has over Nintendo. When you buy Nintendo hardware, you have to pay more to compensate for the fact that they're a smaller company that can't afford to sell their products at a loss, whereas with Sony, they can afford to sell their products at a loss, therefore we as consumers win when we buy Sony.

Sony is able to sell the latest and greatest technology at competitive prices, while Nintendo literally cannot do that without going bankrupt. That's why Nintendo is always a step behind technology wise in all of their hardware despite still being expensive.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Sony is selling the Vita at a loss. Why does it matter to you if Sony profits and whether or not they sell their products at a loss? As consumers, we win when we buy products from Sony, because we're getting the good deal and they're taking the hit. Whereas when we buy products from Nintendo, we lose because they are overpricing their hardware so that they can sell at a considerable profit.

Timstuff

Nintendo doesn't have a lucrative electronics EMPIRE to fund their pet project :roll: