Nintendo have become a cancer to the games industy

So Nintendo should be held to a lower standard than the competition? As a customer, how does that make sense? Timstuff

Ease up there, Timstuff. I never said Nintendo should be held to a lower standard, just pointed out again that because Nintendo doesn't have income from other sources, they have to make returns on hardware and software; or so I gather. But I believe, as a consumer, that they provide quality merchandise and software for a price dictated by the norm at the moment.

I honestly don't care, as a consumer, if the Vita is worth $600 and they're selling it to me at $250. In my book, $250 for a handheld is too much.

That's true, Nintendo doesn't have the ability to sell hardware at a loss. But to act like it is a bad thing that Sony sells their hardware at a loss is ridiculous, how would that possibly be a bad thing for us as consumers?

arkephonic

Maybe I should get into Hollywood. Apparently, I'm acting over the internet :lol:

I merely pointed out that Nintendo cannot afford to sell at a loss; or so I gather. You put those words in my mouth, that it was bad for consumers. Sony sells at a loss because they can not only afford to take the hit, but wish to please their consumers just as much as Nintendo. Different approach; same goal.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Nintendo had it first, but Sony is doing it better.foxhound_fox

Sony can afford to sell the latest and greatest hardware at competitve prices, Nintendo literally can't do that without going bankrupt. That's a huge advantage that Sony has over Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't have the financial backing because they're a smaller company, so they're forced to sell dated technology in order to be competitive in price.

Basically, with Sony, you can buy the latest and greatest technology that is current and up to date for a budget price. With Nintendo, you can pay that same budget price, but for technology that was current and up to date 6 years ago. I'll take the product from Sony because it's a better deal. I still buy the Nintendo products though because of their first party software, but I know that Sony offers significantly better deals on their stuff.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

That's true, Nintendo doesn't have the ability to sell hardware at a loss. But to act like it is a bad thing that Sony sells their hardware at a loss is ridiculous, how would that possibly be a bad thing for us as consumers?

mmmwksil

Maybe I should get into Hollywood. Apparently, I'm acting over the internet :lol:

I merely pointed out that Nintendo cannot afford to sell at a loss; or so I gather. You put those words in my mouth, that it was bad for consumers. Sony sells at a loss because they can not only afford to take the hit, but wish to please their consumers just as much as Nintendo. Different approach; same goal.

You're confusing yourself with Foxhound, I wasn't referring to you.

Sony can afford to sell the latest and greatest hardware at competitve prices, Nintendo literally can't do that without going bankrupt. That's a huge advantage that Sony has over Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't have the financial backing because they're a smaller company, so they're forced to sell dated technology in order to be competitive in price.

Basically, with Sony, you can buy the latest and greatest technology that is current and up to date for a budget price. With Nintendo, you can pay that same budget price, but for technology that was current and up to date 6 years ago. I'll take the product from Sony because it's a better deal. I still buy the Nintendo products though because of their first party software, but I know that Sony offers significantly better deals on their stuff.

arkephonic

Hey! That's great! *clap clap clap*

Personally, I'll wait for a price drop on that Vita and all its fancy-schmancy technology.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

That's true, Nintendo doesn't have the ability to sell hardware at a loss. But to act like it is a bad thing that Sony sells their hardware at a loss is ridiculous, how would that possibly be a bad thing for us as consumers?

arkephonic

Maybe I should get into Hollywood. Apparently, I'm acting over the internet :lol:

I merely pointed out that Nintendo cannot afford to sell at a loss; or so I gather. You put those words in my mouth, that it was bad for consumers. Sony sells at a loss because they can not only afford to take the hit, but wish to please their consumers just as much as Nintendo. Different approach; same goal.

You're confusing yourself with Foxhound, I wasn't referring to you.

Whoops :P

Sorry about that. Thought that post was directed at me. :P

Sony can afford to sell the latest and greatest hardware at competitve prices, Nintendo literally can't do that without going bankrupt. That's a huge advantage that Sony has over Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't have the financial backing because they're a smaller company, so they're forced to sell dated technology in order to be competitive in price.

Basically, with Sony, you can buy the latest and greatest technology that is current and up to date for a budget price. With Nintendo, you can pay that same budget price, but for technology that was current and up to date 6 years ago. I'll take the product from Sony because it's a better deal. I still buy the Nintendo products though because of their first party software, but I know that Sony offers significantly better deals on their stuff.

arkephonic

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Sony can afford to sell the latest and greatest hardware at competitve prices, Nintendo literally can't do that without going bankrupt. That's a huge advantage that Sony has over Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't have the financial backing because they're a smaller company, so they're forced to sell dated technology in order to be competitive in price.

Basically, with Sony, you can buy the latest and greatest technology that is current and up to date for a budget price. With Nintendo, you can pay that same budget price, but for technology that was current and up to date 6 years ago. I'll take the product from Sony because it's a better deal. I still buy the Nintendo products though because of their first party software, but I know that Sony offers significantly better deals on their stuff.

Timstuff

I wouldn't mind if they went software only. In Nintendo's defense, their hardware has always been really well built, durable and extremely reliable, so they have that going for them. I've seen Gamecubes kicked into walls and the game inside didn't even skip. I don't think Nintendo would go 3rd party like Sega, though. I heard some people saying that Nintendo will bow out entirely if they are not in a position to release hardware any longer.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Sony can afford to sell the latest and greatest hardware at competitve prices, Nintendo literally can't do that without going bankrupt. That's a huge advantage that Sony has over Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't have the financial backing because they're a smaller company, so they're forced to sell dated technology in order to be competitive in price.

Basically, with Sony, you can buy the latest and greatest technology that is current and up to date for a budget price. With Nintendo, you can pay that same budget price, but for technology that was current and up to date 6 years ago. I'll take the product from Sony because it's a better deal. I still buy the Nintendo products though because of their first party software, but I know that Sony offers significantly better deals on their stuff.

arkephonic

I wouldn't mind if they went software only. In Nintendo's defense, their hardware has always been really well built, durable and extremely reliable, so they have that going for them. I've seen Gamecubes kicked into walls and the game inside didn't even skip. I don't think Nintendo would go 3rd party like Sega, though. I heard some people saying that Nintendo will bow out entirely if they are not in a position to release hardware any longer.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Sony can afford to sell the latest and greatest hardware at competitve prices, Nintendo literally can't do that without going bankrupt. That's a huge advantage that Sony has over Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't have the financial backing because they're a smaller company, so they're forced to sell dated technology in order to be competitive in price.

Basically, with Sony, you can buy the latest and greatest technology that is current and up to date for a budget price. With Nintendo, you can pay that same budget price, but for technology that was current and up to date 6 years ago. I'll take the product from Sony because it's a better deal. I still buy the Nintendo products though because of their first party software, but I know that Sony offers significantly better deals on their stuff.

arkephonic

I wouldn't mind if they went software only. In Nintendo's defense, their hardware has always been really well built, durable and extremely reliable, so they have that going for them. I've seen Gamecubes kicked into walls and the game inside didn't even skip. I don't think Nintendo would go 3rd party like Sega, though. I heard some people saying that Nintendo will bow out entirely if they are not in a position to release hardware any longer.

Not to mention, Nintendo reception as of N64 has been so bad (I'll say again is on par with what Sega is trying to do with Sonic) that gamers won't accept ANYTHING they do, good or bad. Hell, there are many Metroid fans who say Metroid should NEVER be a first person game and it ruined the franchise, despite the high praise the Metroid Prime games git.

All this bs about "Sony providing quality and current tech while Nintendo doesn't" is just fanboy talk. If you think Nintendo doesn't provide quality and only Sony does then you're seeing things through fanboy goggles. Who cares if Vita is more powerful? PSP was more powerful than DS yet they both had great games. This gen will be no different so if you're not a biased fanboy why not get both and have it all?

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]And Nitnendo wonders why so many people are calling for them to go software-only...Timstuff

I wouldn't mind if they went software only. In Nintendo's defense, their hardware has always been really well built, durable and extremely reliable, so they have that going for them. I've seen Gamecubes kicked into walls and the game inside didn't even skip. I don't think Nintendo would go 3rd party like Sega, though. I heard some people saying that Nintendo will bow out entirely if they are not in a position to release hardware any longer.

True, you did see their IP's on other systems (Atari 2600, Colecovision, CDi), but other companies made those versions, Nintendo only got credit for them because they own the IP's. And that proved to be bad news MANY times. Even if Nintendo had their hands in Sony/MS console development, they would be panned like they were since N64.

And do I have to bring up Nintendo's current reception again?

All this bs about "Sony providing quality and current tech while Nintendo doesn't" is just fanboy talk. If you think Nintendo doesn't provide quality and only Sony does then you're seeing things through fanboy goggles. Who cares if Vita is more powerful? PSP was more powerful than DS yet they both had great games. This gen will be no different so if you're not a biased fanboy why not get both and have it all?

Bigboi500

I will get both, and I'm not being biased. It's a well known fact that Nintendo sells their hardware at a profit and Sony sells their hardware at a loss. That's not fanboy talk. You know those chips inside those plastic cases? Some are better than others, some cost more than others. The Vita is much more technologically advanced than the 3DS. The only reason the 3DS dropped so low in price was because Nintendo had to drop it because it wasn't selling. The fact that Nintendo isn't selling the 3DS at a considerable profit is very uncharacteristic for Nintendo. Sony selling the Vita at $250 is selling it at a loss, because it costs more than that for them to manufacture it.

I never said Nintendo doesn't provide quality games, you're just pretending I said that.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

All this bs about "Sony providing quality and current tech while Nintendo doesn't" is just fanboy talk. If you think Nintendo doesn't provide quality and only Sony does then you're seeing things through fanboy goggles. Who cares if Vita is more powerful? PSP was more powerful than DS yet they both had great games. This gen will be no different so if you're not a biased fanboy why not get both and have it all?

arkephonic

I will get both, and I'm not being biased. It's a well known fact that Nintendo sells their hardware at a profit and Sony sells their hardware at a loss. That's not fanboy talk. You know those chips inside those plastic cases? Some are better than others, some cost more than others. The Vita is much more technologically advanced than the 3DS. The only reason the 3DS dropped so low in price was because Nintendo had to drop it because it wasn't selling. The fact that Nintendo isn't selling the 3DS at a considerable profit is very uncharacteristic for Nintendo. Sony selling the Vita at $250 is selling it at a loss, because it costs more than that for them to manufacture it.

I never said Nintendo doesn't provide quality games, you're just pretending I said that.

You'll notice this thread and many others just like it are hating all over the 3DS. It's stupid.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

All this bs about "Sony providing quality and current tech while Nintendo doesn't" is just fanboy talk. If you think Nintendo doesn't provide quality and only Sony does then you're seeing things through fanboy goggles. Who cares if Vita is more powerful? PSP was more powerful than DS yet they both had great games. This gen will be no different so if you're not a biased fanboy why not get both and have it all?

Bigboi500

I will get both, and I'm not being biased. It's a well known fact that Nintendo sells their hardware at a profit and Sony sells their hardware at a loss. That's not fanboy talk. You know those chips inside those plastic cases? Some are better than others, some cost more than others. The Vita is much more technologically advanced than the 3DS. The only reason the 3DS dropped so low in price was because Nintendo had to drop it because it wasn't selling. The fact that Nintendo isn't selling the 3DS at a considerable profit is very uncharacteristic for Nintendo. Sony selling the Vita at $250 is selling it at a loss, because it costs more than that for them to manufacture it.

I never said Nintendo doesn't provide quality games, you're just pretending I said that.

You'll notice this thread and many others just like it are hating all over the 3DS. It's stupid.

You just came in and completely derailed what I was even talking about. I was talking about value from a factual and technical standpoint based on Sony and Nintendo's ratios of retail prices vs their manufacturing costs. I don't play favorites, I game on Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo platforms, I don't have exclusive brand loyalty to any of them. I was just pointing out that Sony can afford to offer better technology at a competitive price (selling at a loss) whereas Nintendo cannot sell hardware at a considerable loss (in hopes of making it up through software) because they are a smaller company. I mean, maybe they could sell hardware at a considerable loss like Sony does if they wanted to, but they never have before.

Fact is, that's all I was talking about, and you came in and totally derailed what I was saying and took it out of context, because I wasn't even talking about games at all. I'm well aware that both will have good games, and I'll be playing both of them.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I will get both, and I'm not being biased. It's a well known fact that Nintendo sells their hardware at a profit and Sony sells their hardware at a loss. That's not fanboy talk. You know those chips inside those plastic cases? Some are better than others, some cost more than others. The Vita is much more technologically advanced than the 3DS. The only reason the 3DS dropped so low in price was because Nintendo had to drop it because it wasn't selling. The fact that Nintendo isn't selling the 3DS at a considerable profit is very uncharacteristic for Nintendo. Sony selling the Vita at $250 is selling it at a loss, because it costs more than that for them to manufacture it.

I never said Nintendo doesn't provide quality games, you're just pretending I said that.

arkephonic

You'll notice this thread and many others just like it are hating all over the 3DS. It's stupid.

You just came in and completely derailed what I was even talking about. I was talking about value from a factual and technical standpoint based on Sony and Nintendo's ratios of retail prices vs their manufacturing costs. I don't play favorites, I game on Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo platforms, I don't have exclusive brand loyalty to any of them. I was just pointing out that Sony can afford to offer better technology at a competitive price (selling at a loss) whereas Nintendo cannot sell hardware at a considerable loss (in hopes of making it up through software) because they are a smaller company. I mean, maybe they could sell hardware at a considerable loss like Sony does if they wanted to, but they never have before.

Fact is, that's all I was talking about, and you came in and totally derailed what I was saying and took it out of context, because I wasn't even talking about games at all. I'm well aware that both will have good games, and I'll be playing both of them.

Nintendo is the only thing keeping me in consoles. It's the HD consoles that have RUINED good PC games.

Nintendo died for me when they released the Wii... but they found a new audience. An audience that wanted the hype that was the Wii, now the hype is over and the loyal fanbase of Ninty is gone. They have had a hell of a ride with the success that was both the Wii and DS. But as everyone knows, what goes up...

Nintendo made some really good games, like Zelda, and they are trying their best to make the 3DS better, but:

Most of the Ambassador games were crap.

The 3D in the 3DS is crap.

They say "No plans" to everything.

They beg us to buy the 3DS and SF64 3D.

Mario needs to watch his waistline.

The second circle pad attachment is crap, and too late.

They steal a lot of ideas from Sony, like backwards compatibilty and the Home button.

They didn't give online multiplayer to Zelda Four Swords to call it "unique."

They won't make a Banana Yellow 3DS. I want. :(

They put region locking on everything so we can't play imported games.

Oh well. If they put demos on the eShop and disable region locking on everything, it's OK.

That feel when deep down you know....OP is right.

Nintendo is the cancer that is killing games

(I'm not serious, btw)

Nintendo died for me when they released the Wii... but they found a new audience. An audience that wanted the hype that was the Wii, now the hype is over and the loyal fanbase of Ninty is gone. They have had a hell of a ride with the success that was both the Wii and DS. But as everyone knows, what goes up...

zekere

Wait for the 3ds redesign next year,will come with 2 thumb sticks and at least double battery lifeblacktorn

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]Wait for the 3ds redesign next year,will come with 2 thumb sticks and at least double battery lifeBigboi500

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]Wait for the 3ds redesign next year,will come with 2 thumb sticks and at least double battery lifeAtariKidX

Sure, you can wait 18 months for a revision. Meanwhile, I'm playing Mercenaries, Dimensions, Mario Kart, Mario Land, Revelations, etc. Your loss.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]Wait for the 3ds redesign next year,will come with 2 thumb sticks and at least double battery lifeAtariKidX

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Sorry but there is no way in hell I'm waiting until next year to play MK7 and SM3DS Land. If I ever encounter a game that genuinely needs a second thumb stick I'll also buy a redesign or buy the bulky add-on. It's not a big deal really.

LastRambo341

and a rehashed Final Fantasy :lol:

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Sorry but there is no way in hell I'm waiting until next year to play MK7 and SM3DS Land. If I ever encounter a game that genuinely needs a second thumb stick I'll also buy a redesign or buy the bulky add-on. It's not a big deal really.

LastRambo341

Sure dude.......enjoy the N64 remakes and the ugly MGS3 3D on the 3DS...........:lol:

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="RR360DD"] You mentioned 4 and 5, not mercs. And how can you possibly aim and move on the one analogue stick at the same time.RR360DD

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="AtariKidX"] But you can play Mario kart and Super mario on the DS and Wii.....no big difference.AtariKidX

Sure dude.......enjoy the N64 remakes and the ugly MGS3 3D on the 3DS...........:lol:

Hey, don't hate on my Star Fox

I'm doing barrel rolls in 3D :lol:

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]Wait for the 3ds redesign next year,will come with 2 thumb sticks and at least double battery lifeAtariKidX

And you can also play Little Big Planet on the PS3 and PSP and Uncharted on the PS3.

Honestly, what is you point? If you're going to call out Nintendo for having Mario Kart and Mario Platformers then you can't turn a blind eye to the fact that Sony is also banking on established franchises to the sell the Vita.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] The fact that only four games out of the many, many games announced even support it (even though every game announced could 'benefit' from dual analog) gives you the answer, doesn't it? How many games supported the Motion+? There will definitely be a revision, we all already know that. Anyone who buys a handheld knows that. How will it be a kick? It won't. You don't even know a 3DS, you aren't an early adopter, what do you know about what early adopters feel about their purchase?LastRambo341

Which is why the Wiimote gets so much more support than Dual Analog right?

I think you need to understand what the term "Industry Standard" means. NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING good has come from the existence of the Wii or the Wii mote. That "superior" (lulz) control method you are talking about is the reason why the Wii has a worse metacritic library in its 6th year than the Dreamcast had in its second year. The Wiimote crippled the Wii, and limited game development, which is why Nintendo missed out on almost EVERY relevant multiplat this entire gen (and seeing as how there is only 4 AAA exclusives for the platform, you cant exactly say exclusives are doing much better either.) It is also why the Wii lineup is filled with rail shooters and shovelware :lol:.

Face it, Nintendo didnt even take the Wiimote seriously, and the poor support it has recieved proves it, which is why they are abandoning it with the Wii U (it will still be supported but not nearly as much). It is a toy, and a cheap gimmick, nothing more, nothing less. They ARE a cancer to the industry becaue now MS and Sony are catering to the same crowd nintendo is targeting.

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Sorry but there is no way in hell I'm waiting until next year to play MK7 and SM3DS Land. If I ever encounter a game that genuinely needs a second thumb stick I'll also buy a redesign or buy the bulky add-on. It's not a big deal really.

caryslan2

And you can also play Little Big Planet on the PS3 and PSP and Uncharted on the PS3.

Honestly, what is you point? If you're going to call out Nintendo for having Mario Kart and Mario Platformers then you can't turn a blind eye to the fact that Sony is also banking on established franchises to the sell the Vita.

Ive seen sheep bashing the touch controls in games like Uncharted Golden Abyss, calling it "just a dumbed down console game, with tacked on motion controls", and "I dont want teh console experience on mah handheld!"......my response to sheep is...............you mean its the EXACT same s*** as the 3DS games?

Can someone please tell me how the hell playing Uncharted:Golden Abyss or the next God of War game on the VITA will be ANY different than playing Ocarina of Time or Metal Gear Solid 3 on the 3DS? Other than that both the graphics and the controls will be vastly inferior to the VITA's? Hell, even the VITA's touch functionality will be better implemented than the 3DS.

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Sorry but there is no way in hell I'm waiting until next year to play MK7 and SM3DS Land. If I ever encounter a game that genuinely needs a second thumb stick I'll also buy a redesign or buy the bulky add-on. It's not a big deal really.

LastRambo341

Not as happy that the 3DS has/is getting ports of:

Ocarina of Time

Metal Gear Solid 3 (which will be inferior to the PS3/360/Vita version, have fun using the touch pad for 3D camera control :lol: )

Star Fox 64

Rayman 2

Super Street Fighter 4

Plus Majoras Mask is rumored.

You know the difference between this lineup, and the VITA's lineup though? The VITA actually has games comming out at launch ;).

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="AtariKidX"] But you can play Mario kart and Super mario on the DS and Wii.....no big difference.StrongDeadlift

Not as happy that the 3DS has/is getting ports of:

Ocarina of Time

Metal Gear Solid 3 (which will be inferior to the PS3/360/Vita version, have fun using the touch pad for 3D camera control :lol: )

Star Fox 64

Rayman 2

Super Street Fighter 4

Plus Majoras Mask is rumored.

You know the difference between this lineup, and the VITA's lineup though? The VITA actually has games comming out at launch ;).

@StrongDeadlift Sure thing, dude ;) you're basically giving me subjective statements Did you know that some wii games got lower scores because the guy said, " I don't like the wiimote, I like my outdated dual analogue" :lol: It's not my problem that people are sticking with old-fashioned and overrated control methods Games like red steel 2, mad world, no more heroes, wii sports, skyward sword, conduit, COD etc. Use the wiimote well Just because not a lot like it, doesn't mean it's crap because popularity doesn't indicate quality ;) Again, you're just making a huge and exaggerated drama over this :lol:, I swear I laugh so much when I come here because of the logic and the drama that the nintendo haters make :lol:LastRambo341

Again, you are defining what the term Industry Stanadard means. People are not sticking with the Wii-mote and it is not getting the support because it is not the industry standard. Dual Analog is the industry standard. That is a fact, and the proof is clearly evident in the amount of support for it. The proof is in the pudding.

Nintendo is well aware that dual analog is the industry standard for 3D games, hence why........oh my gosh.....they are releasing a second analog stick attachment for the 3DS :o.

Let me ask you this....if Nintendo did not acknowlege that dual analog is the industry standard, then why does this analog attachment even exist? ;)

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]@StrongDeadlift Sure thing, dude ;) you're basically giving me subjective statements Did you know that some wii games got lower scores because the guy said, " I don't like the wiimote, I like my outdated dual analogue" :lol: It's not my problem that people are sticking with old-fashioned and overrated control methods Games like red steel 2, mad world, no more heroes, wii sports, skyward sword, conduit, COD etc. Use the wiimote well Just because not a lot like it, doesn't mean it's crap because popularity doesn't indicate quality ;) Again, you're just making a huge and exaggerated drama over this :lol:, I swear I laugh so much when I come here because of the logic and the drama that the nintendo haters make :lol:StrongDeadlift

Again, you are defining what the term Industry Stanadard means. People are not sticking with it because Dual Analog is the industry standard. That is a fact.

Nintendo is well aware that dual analog is the industry standard for 3D games, hence why........oh my gosh.....they are releasing a second analog stick attachment for the 3DS :o.

Let me ask you this....if Nintendo did not acknowlege that dual analog is the industry standard, then why does this analog attachment even exist? ;)

I do not understand why there are so many people that want Nintendo to outright fail. I would like someone to explain that to me.

I do not understand why there are so many people that want Nintendo to outright fail. I would like someone to explain that to me.

jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

I do not understand why there are so many people that want Nintendo to outright fail. I would like someone to explain that to me.

nintendoboy16