Nintendo have become a cancer to the games industy

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I'm sorry, I forgot about that game. Fine, there are a grand total of THREE games (including one that has not been released yet) that REQUIRE Motion+. Oh my, oh my, whatever shall I do?charizard1605

4 actually, 5 if you include Zelda. And thats besides the point. The Wii is dead and its motion controls proven a joke. Even Nintendo have abandoned it with the WiiU.

HOWEVER, dual analogue is a standard, proven control scheme. How can you play an FLS properly on the 3DS with one analogue stick. You cant.

We? And you speak for all 3DS gamers?

[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

So because they don't have multiplayer, that makes it not a "REAL" strategy game, so if for some reason they did add multiplayer, that would make it a "REAL" strategy game?

peterw007

Generally, the drive in real Strategy games comes from competitiveness...to win against the bots or other people.

The drive in Strategy RPGs come from the desire to complete the story and improve a small group of individualized characters that you build up through the entire narrative.

Yet I play strategy games for the story and to relax, I don't play them for the competitiveness. Yeah Fire Emblem is not like other strategy games as it's a single player rpg turn based strategy game. It may not be like the average TBS game but it is still a strategy game in it's own right.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

So because they don't have multiplayer, that makes it not a "REAL" strategy game, so if for some reason they did add multiplayer, that would make it a "REAL" strategy game?

Mitazaki

Generally, the drive in real Strategy games comes from competitiveness...to win against the bots or other people.

The drive in Strategy RPGs come from the desire to complete the story and improve a small group of individualized characters that you build up through the entire narrative.

Yet I play strategy games for the story and to relax, I don't play them for the competitiveness. Yeah Fire Emblem is not like other strategy games as it's a single player rpg turn based strategy game. It may not be like the average TBS game but it is still a strategy game in it's own right.

I never said it wasn't partly a strategy game!

But you can't say ShadowMoses900 is wrong for declaring Civilization a "true" strategy game while Fire Emblem is not, because Fire Emblem is nothing more than a hybrid.

Mind you, that doesn't prevent the game from having incredible depth, well-done strategic maps, and an amazing story.

[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Generally, the drive in real Strategy games comes from competitiveness...to win against the bots or other people.

The drive in Strategy RPGs come from the desire to complete the story and improve a small group of individualized characters that you build up through the entire narrative.

peterw007

Yet I play strategy games for the story and to relax, I don't play them for the competitiveness. Yeah Fire Emblem is not like other strategy games as it's a single player rpg turn based strategy game. It may not be like the average TBS game but it is still a strategy game in it's own right.

I never said it wasn't partly a strategy game!

But you can't say ShadowMoses900 is wrong for declaring Civilization a "true" strategy game while Fire Emblem is not, because Fire Emblem is nothing more than a hybrid.

Mind you, that doesn't prevent the game from having incredible depth, well-done strategic maps, and an amazing story.

Should learn to read as at no point did I use the word "wrong", I asked what was not real about it.

Some people just plain don't like Kirby. I do, but I don't exactly know how I'd go about convincing someone what makes the Kirby games great. You either like 'em or you don't, simple as that.Timstuff

But what Kirby game on the DS takes 30 minutes to complete and you don't die? :?

Ah, remember those days when people said, "I'm not buying a 3DS because it had a 2nd analog." Then Nintendo gives them one and their still complaining. Haters confirmed.bbkkristian

They gave us a huge add on that makes the 3DS impractical and ugly, not to mention the need for extra battery.

Ah, remember those days when people said, "I'm not buying a 3DS because it had a 2nd analog." Then Nintendo gives them one and their still complaining. Haters confirmed.bbkkristian

Do you think this second analogue looks good? And functional? Do you think it's a good sign if Nintendo are rushing it to market so soon after the £DS has been released? Do you think needing an extra battery is a good thing too?

It's not giving people what they asked for. It's Nintendo rushing a product out before it was ready, undercooked, underpowered, under thought out, and then, when the obvious flaws are made known, they have to mess around lots of people in order to regain momentum.

This is not just a second analogue, its one of the worst official peripheral designs in a long time.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]The circle pad add on screams of the desperate Sega Genesis addons of yore, especially the 32x. Except while the 32x was a last ditch effort to breathe new life into a system that was several years old, the circle pad is being released less than a year later! HOW DOES ONE FORGET TO INCLUDE A RIGHT ANALOG STICK AFTER YEARS OF COMPLAINTS FROM PSP OWNERS? It's like Nintendo didn't even try, and I hope whole mess comes back bites them in the ass.RR360DD

Analogue and touch is more gimped than dual analogue, why do you think nintendo rushed out this add on?

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]Ah, remember those days when people said, "I'm not buying a 3DS because it had a 2nd analog." Then Nintendo gives them one and their still complaining. Haters confirmed.Chemical_Viking

Do you think this second analogue looks good? And functional? Do you think it's a good sign if Nintendo are rushing it to market so soon after the £DS has been released? Do you think needing an extra battery is a good thing too?

It's not giving people what they asked for. It's Nintendo rushing a product out before it was ready, undercooked, underpowered, under thought out, and then, when the obvious flaws are made known, they have to mess around lots of people in order to regain momentum.

This is not just a second analogue, its one of the worst official peripheral designs in a long time.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

Yet I play strategy games for the story and to relax, I don't play them for the competitiveness. Yeah Fire Emblem is not like other strategy games as it's a single player rpg turn based strategy game. It may not be like the average TBS game but it is still a strategy game in it's own right.

Mitazaki

I never said it wasn't partly a strategy game!

But you can't say ShadowMoses900 is wrong for declaring Civilization a "true" strategy game while Fire Emblem is not, because Fire Emblem is nothing more than a hybrid.

Mind you, that doesn't prevent the game from having incredible depth, well-done strategic maps, and an amazing story.

Should learn to read as at no point did I use the word "wrong", I asked what was not real about it.

He claimed: "And fire emblem isn't a real strategy game."

You replied: "What's not real about it?"

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Through negation you imply that you disagree with his opinion and therefore consider him wrong.

If that wasn't what you intended you should have worded your phrases more accurately.

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I proved that ShadowMoses900 was not wrong, thereby disproving your accusations.

It's called basic logic.

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Let's get back on topic now, shall we?

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="lordlors"] The DS didn't even need a single analog stick to produce better controls for games especially shooters over the PSP. PSP needed a second analog stick badly because it didn't have an extra screen that has touch controls. FPS/TPS did fine on the DS and with a single analog stick present on the 3DS, a second one is not really needed. I'm mainly a PC gamer so i don't get why some gamers are really crazy with the analog sticks. The stylus touch screen controls is more precise and better than an analog stick and is closer to the superior KB/Mouse setup.lordlors

Analogue and touch is more gimped than dual analogue, why do you think nintendo rushed out this add on?

Not in the 3DS's case were its a resistive touch screen and you have to use a stylus to utilise it properly.

I agree with everything you said.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]Ah, remember those days when people said, "I'm not buying a 3DS because it had a 2nd analog." Then Nintendo gives them one and their still complaining. Haters confirmed.Chemical_Viking

Do you think this second analogue looks good? And functional? Do you think it's a good sign if Nintendo are rushing it to market so soon after the £DS has been released? Do you think needing an extra battery is a good thing too?

It's not giving people what they asked for. It's Nintendo rushing a product out before it was ready, undercooked, underpowered, under thought out, and then, when the obvious flaws are made known, they have to mess around lots of people in order to regain momentum.

This is not just a second analogue, its one of the worst official peripheral designs in a long time.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Analogue and touch is more gimped than dual analogue, why do you think nintendo rushed out this add on?

RR360DD

Not in the 3DS's case were its a resistive touch screen and you have to use a stylus to utilise it properly.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="lordlors"] The DS didn't even need a single analog stick to produce better controls for games especially shooters over the PSP. PSP needed a second analog stick badly because it didn't have an extra screen that has touch controls. FPS/TPS did fine on the DS and with a single analog stick present on the 3DS, a second one is not really needed. I'm mainly a PC gamer so i don't get why some gamers are really crazy with the analog sticks. The stylus touch screen controls is more precise and better than an analog stick and is closer to the superior KB/Mouse setup.lordlors

Analogue and touch is more gimped than dual analogue, why do you think nintendo rushed out this add on?

I do both KB and Mouse and Dual shock, and I have to say this is something people on the PC say just to big it up. It's not vastly different experience. The KB and Mouse is probably more accurate, but for my gaming needs, I prefer a joypad. It's more relaxing, it's as accurate as I need, and there really is absolutely no bragging justified for the KB and Mouse as it doesn't enhance action games in any particularly big way. Strategy games yes.Point and click, yes. But then, I think touch screens have the old keyboard and mouse beaten on that score. Could be the future.

[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

I never said it wasn't partly a strategy game!

But you can't say ShadowMoses900 is wrong for declaring Civilization a "true" strategy game while Fire Emblem is not, because Fire Emblem is nothing more than a hybrid.

Mind you, that doesn't prevent the game from having incredible depth, well-done strategic maps, and an amazing story.

peterw007

Should learn to read as at no point did I use the word "wrong", I asked what was not real about it.

He said "And fire emblem isn't a real strategy game.

You said "What's not real about it?"

Through disjunction you imply that you disagree with his opinion and therefore consider him wrong.

If that wasn't what you intended you should have worded your phrases more accurately.

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I proved that ShadowMoses900 was not wrong, thereby disproving your accusations.

It's called basic logic.

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Let's get back on topic now, shall we?

Yeah except I was looking for his reasons as to why it he considers it not a "REAL" stragegy game, but you just assumed I was implying he was wrong. perhaps I was looking to open a small debate about what bit's make it "REAL" and what bits don't make it "REAL". I didn't disagree with him, I simple asked what was not real about it, you are simply adding things that are not there.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Analogue and touch is more gimped than dual analogue, why do you think nintendo rushed out this add on?

RR360DD

Not in the 3DS's case were its a resistive touch screen and you have to use a stylus to utilise it properly.

Not in the 3DS's case were its a resistive touch screen and you have to use a stylus to utilise it properly.

RR360DD

Funny because I always compare my friends Ipod Touch/iPhone's screen condition to my 3DS's/DSi's touch screen. Their's are completely covered with fingerprints while mine is fingerprint free.

How can the loyal nintendo fan even associate with such a company anymore?

Im not even going to get started on the Wii, so lets look at the failing 3DS. An underpowered, overpriced handheld with barely any support.

RR360DD

I stopped reading here. 3 lies in one sentence, maybe Overpriced is considered an opinion, but it's a far stretch to call $170 overpriced, especially when Nintendo is selling the system at a loss. The DS was "underpowered" when compared to the PSP, same with 3DS to Vita, because Sony's handhelds are overpowered, and thus have to be sold at a loss. Don't make me do a list war on the whole "No Support" part.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]Ah, remember those days when people said, "I'm not buying a 3DS because it had a 2nd analog." Then Nintendo gives them one and their still complaining. Haters confirmed.bbkkristian

Do you think this second analogue looks good? And functional? Do you think it's a good sign if Nintendo are rushing it to market so soon after the £DS has been released? Do you think needing an extra battery is a good thing too?

It's not giving people what they asked for. It's Nintendo rushing a product out before it was ready, undercooked, underpowered, under thought out, and then, when the obvious flaws are made known, they have to mess around lots of people in order to regain momentum.

This is not just a second analogue, its one of the worst official peripheral designs in a long time.

You're ignoring all the questions. People have suggested a dual analogue system would have been better yes. I never said they didn't. But this is an awfully awkward, rushed peripheral which only points to the 3DS being an unfinished system brought out too early. This is not what they wanted. They wanted a system which was state of the art, ready at release and reasonably priced with a good selection of new games.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="lordlors"] The add on is just to answer those crazy with the analog sticks. Also, it's the dual analogue that's gimped and wonky. I have experienced all of those control types and i game on PC with the superior KB/mouse unlike the console gamers who are crazy with the analog sticks so i know how closer single analog/touch controls are to the KB/Mouse than the dual analogue. Timstuff

Not in the 3DS's case were its a resistive touch screen and you have to use a stylus to utilise it properly.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Analogue and touch is more gimped than dual analogue, why do you think nintendo rushed out this add on?

Chemical_Viking

I do both KB and Mouse and Dual shock, and I have to say this is something people on the PC say just to big it up. It's not vastly different experience. The KB and Mouse is probably more accurate, but for my gaming needs, I prefer a joypad. It's more relaxing, it's as accurate as I need, and there really is absolutely no bragging justified for the KB and Mouse as it doesn't enhance action games in any particularly big way. Strategy games yes.Point and click, yes. But then, I think touch screens have the old keyboard and mouse beaten on that score. Could be the future.

Yeah except I was looking for his reasons as to why it he considers it not a "REAL" stragegy game, but you just assumed I was implying he was wrong. perhaps I was looking to open a small debate about what bit's make it "REAL" and what bits don't make it "REAL". I didn't disagree with him, I simple asked what was not real about it, you are simply adding things that are not there.

Mitazaki

It's not assumption...it's the fundamental nature of debating.

If someone questions your argument, they either

a. don't agree with your argument, or

b. need more information before they can make a conclusion.

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I looked at the context of your post and assumed you thought he was wrong.

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Because, instead of asking an impartial question like: "What makes Civilization more of a real strategy game than Fire Emblem?"

You asked: "What's not real about it?"

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You said "not," which implies you already have a disposition towards the argument.

Basically, someone can logically assume from your question that you have already realized what makes Fire Emblem a "real" strategy game, and haven't considered what makes it "not real."

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So, I concluded that you had doubts towards the integrity of ShadowMoses900's argument, and therefore considered him wrong. These doubts may have been precipitated because of past arguments, but I wasn't exactly sure.

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However, if you worded your question incorrectly and I came to false assumptions, I am sorry.

The moral of the story is: it's all in how you word your phrases.

Word them carefully, otherwise people on the internet will mis-interpret you and everybody wastes a lot of hot air.

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Giving my opnion is trolling? ok pal whatever you want to belive :roll:Guess some people can't handle different opinions. If you enjoy Kirby that's all cool, but it's a joke IMO.

ShadowMoses900

Yes it is, i don't like Uncharted but i have never claimed there isn't a single good Uncharted game.

No it's an opinion. Trolling is just being an A-hole, and I don't do that. If you don't like Uncharted I don't care, that is your opinoin. Obviously there are "good" Kirby games, I just don't like them.

"There has never been a good Kirby game NEVER"

Yep, sounds like trolling, but whatever.

[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

Yeah except I was looking for his reasons as to why it he considers it not a "REAL" stragegy game, but you just assumed I was implying he was wrong. perhaps I was looking to open a small debate about what bit's make it "REAL" and what bits don't make it "REAL". I didn't disagree with him, I simple asked what was not real about it, you are simply adding things that are not there.

peterw007

It's not assumption...it's the fundamental nature of debating.

If someone questions your argument, they either

a. don't agree with your argument, or

b. need more information before they can make a conclusion.

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I looked at the context of your post and assumed you thought he was wrong.

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Because, instead of asking an impartial question like: "What makes Civilization more of a real strategy game than Fire Emblem?"

You asked: "What's not real about it?"

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You said "not," which implies you already have a disposition towards the argument.

Basically, someone can logically assume from your question that you have already realized what makes Fire Emblem a "real" strategy game, and haven't considered what makes it "not real."

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So, I concluded that you had doubts towards the integrity of ShadowMoses900's argument, and therefore considered him wrong. These doubts may have been precipitated because of past arguments, but I wasn't exactly sure.

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However, if you did word your question incorrectly and I came to false assumptions, I am sorry.

The moral of the story is: It's all in how you word your phrases.

Word them carefully, otherwise people on the internet will mis-interpret you and everybody wastes a lot of hot air.

Or simply don't make assumptions.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Do you think this second analogue looks good? And functional? Do you think it's a good sign if Nintendo are rushing it to market so soon after the £DS has been released? Do you think needing an extra battery is a good thing too?

It's not giving people what they asked for. It's Nintendo rushing a product out before it was ready, undercooked, underpowered, under thought out, and then, when the obvious flaws are made known, they have to mess around lots of people in order to regain momentum.

This is not just a second analogue, its one of the worst official peripheral designs in a long time.

Chemical_Viking

You're ignoring all the questions. People have suggested a dual analogue system would have been better yes. I never said they didn't. But this is an awfully awkward, rushed peripheral which only points to the 3DS being an unfinished system brought out too early. This is not what they wanted. They wanted a system which was state of the art, ready at release and reasonably priced with a good selection of new games.

Or simply don't make assumptions.

Mitazaki

You can't just tell people not to make assumptions...it's inherent in human nature.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Yeah, it is what they are asking for. Do I have to break out months old threads to prove it? Oh wait, not the people, SW. ;)bbkkristian

You're ignoring all the questions. People have suggested a dual analogue system would have been better yes. I never said they didn't. But this is an awfully awkward, rushed peripheral which only points to the 3DS being an unfinished system brought out too early. This is not what they wanted. They wanted a system which was state of the art, ready at release and reasonably priced with a good selection of new games.

I'm afraid I don't remember "we all" saying that. I'm highly sceptical in fact that it was ever the case that everyone, or even the majority of users, said 3DS didn't need a second analogue.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

You're ignoring all the questions. People have suggested a dual analogue system would have been better yes. I never said they didn't. But this is an awfully awkward, rushed peripheral which only points to the 3DS being an unfinished system brought out too early. This is not what they wanted. They wanted a system which was state of the art, ready at release and reasonably priced with a good selection of new games.

Chemical_Viking

I'm afraid I don't remember "we all" saying that. I'm highly sceptical in fact that it was ever the case that everyone, or even the majority of users, said 3DS didn't need a second analogue.

EDIT: Btw, we as in DS supporters. ;)

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] I'm doing that on purpose. ;) My opinion does not hide the truth about this product and what I said. Note that the Vita wasn't announced until after the 3DS was probably finished in production. Judging the market wrong =/= rushing a product. We all said that the 3DS didn't need a 2nd analog if you remember.bbkkristian

I'm afraid I don't remember "we all" saying that. I'm highly sceptical in fact that it was ever the case that everyone, or even the majority of users, said 3DS didn't need a second analogue.

EDIT: Btw, we as in DS supporters. ;)

If "we" in this case refers exclusively in this case to DS supporters, then no need to pull out old threads.

I guess we won't have to worry about you making a lot of topics about how awesome the next Pokemon game is.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

I'm afraid I don't remember "we all" saying that. I'm highly sceptical in fact that it was ever the case that everyone, or even the majority of users, said 3DS didn't need a second analogue.

RR360DD

EDIT: Btw, we as in DS supporters. ;)

Well of course, you DS supporters would defend anything nintendo does to the death.

Sounds like another anti-Nintendo fanboy. I suggest thread lock.

Damn I really dont want to read the word "cancer" every time I look at first page of system wars forums. Lock this rubbish please.

Thanks. And you 3DS/DS haters can hate on anything made by nintendo to the death. ;)

bbkkristian

Great addition to your sig, bbk :lol: Can that level climb any higher?

Im also kinda pissed I need wiimotion+ to play SS.... extra 30 bucks... for only one game? I think il borrow a wii motion plus :/

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

Thanks. And you 3DS/DS haters can hate on anything made by nintendo to the death. ;)

mmmwksil

Great addition to your sig, bbk :lol: Can that level climb any higher?

It kind of reminds me of those "Chance of a Forest Fire" signs we see around towns.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

Thanks. And you 3DS/DS haters can hate on anything made by nintendo to the death. ;)

peterw007

Great addition to your sig, bbk :lol: Can that level climb any higher?

It kind of reminds me of those "Chance of a Forest Fire" signs we see around towns.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Time to pull up old threads... :roll: Be right back.

EDIT: Btw, we as in DS supporters. ;)

bbkkristian

Well of course, you DS supporters would defend anything nintendo does to the death.

Ill support nintendo .... when they make a good decision, But until then they deserve to be called out, because lately theyve made bad decision after bad decision. Defending nintendos current actions is far worse than hating on them for no reason (not that im doing that)

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

4 actually, 5 if you include Zelda. And thats besides the point. The Wii is dead and its motion controls proven a joke. Even Nintendo have abandoned it with the WiiU.

HOWEVER, dual analogue is a standard, proven control scheme. How can you play an FLS properly on the 3DS with one analogue stick. You cant.

Chemical_Viking

We? And you speak for all 3DS gamers?

If you want to play FPS's on a DS, well, you're doing it wrong.

Im also kinda pissed I need wiimotion+ to play SS.... extra 30 bucks... for only one game? I think il borrow a wii motion plus :/

dracolich55

Check Red Steel 2 out too. Great game with WM+

Ill support nintendo .... when they make a good decision, But until then they deserve to be called out, because lately theyve made bad decision after bad decision. Defending nintendos current actions is far worse than hating on them for no reason (not that im doing that)

RR360DD

They made a bad decision to release a handheld without a second analog stick? I don't recall DS owners hitting the streets for a second analog stick...

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Ill support nintendo .... when they make a good decision, But until then they deserve to be called out, because lately theyve made bad decision after bad decision. Defending nintendos current actions is far worse than hating on them for no reason (not that im doing that)

mmmwksil

They made a bad decision to release a handheld without a second analog stick? I don't recall DS owners hitting the streets for a second analog stick...

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Ill support nintendo .... when they make a good decision, But until then they deserve to be called out, because lately theyve made bad decision after bad decision. Defending nintendos current actions is far worse than hating on them for no reason (not that im doing that)

bbkkristian

They made a bad decision to release a handheld without a second analog stick? I don't recall DS owners hitting the streets for a second analog stick...

Guess it all makes sense now. Nintendo didn't listen to the complaints of the PSP fans. Mystery solved!!

Hardly a cancer, just exploited a new emerging market that the other 2 were slow on the ball with.Cant say thats a good nor bad thing its had its pro's and cons for ninty all the wii needed was a bit more core exclusives for it.The pointer could work really well if implemented correctly and the biggest downfall was the wii and HD telly's dont get along nor look great :P

great idea but to be honest a bit underbaked for me.I hope the WiiU rectify's some of the wii's existing issues as it has full Wii controller compatability which is a good thing least i dont have to go out and buy more pads etc when it drops if i want multiplayer :P

more like nintendo is the mother that gave birth to the industryTH1Sx1SxSPARTA