no game will ever be better than FFX

incredible story  (should have won an oscar)

lots of gameplay (i put like  150 hours into this game cause there was so much to do and cutomizing the sphere grid was fun)

soundtrack (best soundtrack ever, i bought the 4 disc collectors edition FFX soundtrack and love it.)

graphics (at the time they were amazing and still hold up quite well the artsyle is very diverse and we see all kinds of landscapes)

overall = no game can match the overall level of enjoyment I and many others had from FFX cause it was the complete package. great story, great soundtrack, great gameplay, lots of replay, great graphics. its liek palying through an oscar winning movie. the game is  that GOOD

Xenogears eats FFX for breakfast. Carmilla31

 yeah xenogears had the best story ever but it didnt feel like hte complete package for me.

 it had very lackluster gameplay, and disc 2 was a mess.

the story is basically the only reason to paly it. but i must admit the story is incredible very MATURE themes beats any movie ever made easily

Good game, made me fall asleep several times and never finished it, but good game!

um Xenogears, all SNES and PS1 FFs, the Chrono games, Zelda OoT and TP are all better and im just going off RPGs off the top of my headCronaroth

ill agree with xenogears

but cmon zelda OOT, chrono trigger, and zelda TP all had weaksauce stories,  compared to xenogears, and FFX.

we are talking about complete package here.

zelda OOT, and zelda TP while great have simplsitic stories.

incredible story (should have won an oscar)

lots of gameplay (i put like 150 hours into this game cause there was so much to do and cutomizing the sphere grid was fun)

soundtrack (best soundtrack ever, i bought the 4 disc collectors edition FFX soundtrack and love it.)

graphics (at the time they were amazing and still hold up quite well the artsyle is very diverse and we see all kinds of landscapes)

 

overall = no game can match the overall level of enjoyment I and many others had from FFX cause it was the complete package. great story, great soundtrack, great gameplay, lots of replay, great graphics. its liek palying through an oscar winning movie. the game is that GOOD

tidus222

I think the FF series should just die off now. I mean isnt FF13 plus ff13vs like the millionth game in that series. They need to get creative and make some new IP's.

FFVI proves you wrong. Better story, better characters, better villain, better setting, better gameplay, better artwork. But Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever. FFVI is just the best JRPG ever. The only ones comparable are FFIV and Chrono Trigger.mjarantilla

 LOL  FFVI  HHAHAHHAHAHHAH

only like 3-4 characters even get any development   the rest are just filler, and the villian was lame kefka had no real motivation to do anything he was just a cliched crazy villian who wants to destroy things....

the whole game was really quite boring with the exception of terra, celes, and locke.

I liked FFX story. Tidus and Yuna love story was annoying at first (thats like the first 20 hrs in rpgs).. But then i actually started to like the love story between them because it doesnt end up being cheesy like ff8 (horrible).

And look it this way.. it doesnt end well.. any love story that doesnt end well is a great 1!! (romeo and juliet anybody?.. its really famous thats my point)

Final Fantasy X had some of the most appalling voice acting i've ever heard. It was either too over-blown or too under-delivered, in effect gimping the emotional tone Square tried to set. The lead character, Tidus, was pathetic in comparison to previous greats like Cloud or Squall, as was the brutally flawed and overly played out storyline. It dragged on in the end and became boring, with the endlessly tedious boss battles slowing everything down. It was simply an old dog begging to be shot.

There is a little creep called Chrono Trigger which beats up the heck of almost EVERY RPG DONE.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]FFVI proves you wrong. Better story, better characters, better villain, better setting, better gameplay, better artwork. But Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever. FFVI is just the best JRPG ever. The only ones comparable are FFIV and Chrono Trigger.tidus222

LOL FFVI HHAHAHHAHAHHAH

only like 3-4 characters even get any development the rest are just filler, and the villian was lame kefka had no real motivation to do anything he was just a cliched crazy villian who wants to destroy things....

the whole game was really quite boring with the exception of terra, celes, and locke.

How could you not like ff6.. that game is a masterpiece its up their with FF7, Chrono Trigger, and Ocarina of Time. 

So it's pretty much all downhill from here then for you, isn't it?....musicalmac

 well hopefully not im hoping FF13 can be great.

but FF12 for me was really weak the story was lame, and ripped of star wars in many ways.... the gamepaly i didnt like cause it didnt let you control your whole party unless you turned off gambits. and the problem with that is it took so long for battles if you did that. so the game was just very weak for me.

as far as RPGS of last gen i liked about 3 series

FFX

kotor 1+2

xenosaga trilogy

There is a little creep called Chrono Trigger which beats up the heck of almost EVERY RPG DONE.

curono

Chrono Trigger remake or sequel will make me weep in happiness. 

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]FFVI proves you wrong. Better story, better characters, better villain, better setting, better gameplay, better artwork. But Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever. FFVI is just the best JRPG ever. The only ones comparable are FFIV and Chrono Trigger.tidus222

 LOL  FFVI  HHAHAHHAHAHHAH

only like 3-4 characters even get any development   the rest are just filler, and the villian was lame kefka had no real motivation to do anything he was just a cliched crazy villian who wants to destroy things....

the whole game was really quite boring with the exception of terra, celes, and locke.

And Planescape does have the best story.

Are you kidding me? The only FF worse than X is IX. TheCrazed420

You actually purchased a final fantasy cd soundtrack?! :lol:

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]FFVI proves you wrong. Better story, better characters, better villain, better setting, better gameplay, better artwork. But Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever. FFVI is just the best JRPG ever. The only ones comparable are FFIV and Chrono Trigger.tidus222

LOL FFVI HHAHAHHAHAHHAH

only like 3-4 characters even get any development the rest are just filler, and the villian was lame kefka had no real motivation to do anything he was just a cliched crazy villian who wants to destroy things....

the whole game was really quite boring with the exception of terra, celes, and locke.

Are you kidding me? The only FF worse than X is IX. TheCrazed420

I agree.

FFX nearly destroyed the whole FF series for me, lucky XII isn't a bad game.

Terrible, terrible voice acting killed the whole game. Not to mention the exclusion of the world map, and the boring sphere grid.

There is a little creep called Chrono Trigger which beats up the heck of almost EVERY RPG DONE.

curono

 chrono trigger is a pretty good game,  the time travel mechanic of the whoel game was pulled off great especially for an SNES game.... the story while pretty solid just wasnt deep enough for me. everything came together really well with magnus and how he was sent back in time and how everytinh makes sense in the end..... but just not deep enough.

[QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]FFVI proves you wrong. Better story, better characters, better villain, better setting, better gameplay, better artwork. But Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever. FFVI is just the best JRPG ever. The only ones comparable are FFIV and Chrono Trigger.Jandurin

 LOL  FFVI  HHAHAHHAHAHHAH

only like 3-4 characters even get any development   the rest are just filler, and the villian was lame kefka had no real motivation to do anything he was just a cliched crazy villian who wants to destroy things....

the whole game was really quite boring with the exception of terra, celes, and locke.

 And Planescape does have the best story.

The only characters that didn't really get developed in FFVI was Mog, Umaro, and Gogo.  Everyone else had a storyline, and for the most part all of their storylines were optional.  FFVI actually centers around Kefka, as opposed to the heros of the story.  As for Kefka's motivation, his was pure:  Power and hate.  He wasn't filled with angst, he wasn't emotionally torn, he wasn't the victim of some controved plot device forcing him to be a mad force of power. 

In short, it was perhaps the last good example of good vs evil.  Nowadays, villians need some elaborate backstory and reason to be 'evil'.  Almost all villians are a result of circumstance now. 

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]Are you kidding me? The only FF worse than X is IX. Raidea

I agree.

FFX nearly destroyed the whole FF series for me, lucky XII isn't a bad game.

Terrible, terrible voice acting killed the whole game. Not to mention the exclusion of the world map, and the boring sphere grid.

Without counting XI (Which is disgrace), FFXII is worser than FFX, but not by very much I seriously enjoyed both games its the only default XII has is the character developpment, and FFX the linear story, but none of those made the two games "bad" as a matter of fact both games are AAA overall.

[QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]FFVI proves you wrong. Better story, better characters, better villain, better setting, better gameplay, better artwork. But Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever. FFVI is just the best JRPG ever. The only ones comparable are FFIV and Chrono Trigger.mjarantilla

sin is just a big aeon like a shell for summoning dream zanarkand it had no motives of its own, because yu yevon was controlling the fayth makign them summon dream zanarkand. meanwhile he had sin as the armor to protect it...

did you even finish FFX LOL

LOL FFVI HHAHAHHAHAHHAH

only like 3-4 characters even get any development the rest are just filler, and the villian was lame kefka had no real motivation to do anything he was just a cliched crazy villian who wants to destroy things....

the whole game was really quite boring with the exception of terra, celes, and locke.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]FFVI proves you wrong. Better story, better characters, better villain, better setting, better gameplay, better artwork. But Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever. FFVI is just the best JRPG ever. The only ones comparable are FFIV and Chrono Trigger.tidus222

did you even finish FFX LOL

LOL FFVI HHAHAHHAHAHHAH

only like 3-4 characters even get any development the rest are just filler, and the villian was lame kefka had no real motivation to do anything he was just a cliched crazy villian who wants to destroy things....

the whole game was really quite boring with the exception of terra, celes, and locke.

sin is just a big aeon like a shell for summoning dream zanarkand it had no motives of its own, because yu yevon was controlling the fayth makign them summon dream zanarkand. meanwhile he had sin as the armor to protect it...

Tales of Symphonia > FFX

I put 700 hours into ToS 

[QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]Are you kidding me? The only FF worse than X is IX. haris12121212

I agree.

FFX nearly destroyed the whole FF series for me, lucky XII isn't a bad game.

Terrible, terrible voice acting killed the whole game. Not to mention the exclusion of the world map, and the boring sphere grid.

Without counting XI (Which is disgrace), FFXII is worser than FFX, but not by very much I seriously enjoyed both games its the only default XII has is the character developpment, and FFX the linear story, but none of those made the two games "bad" as a matter of fact both games are AAA overall.

Well when I say bad, I mean bad in terms of Final Fantasy as a series. Which we all know is a good series. 

Both X and XII can't hold a candle to the PS1 FFs in my opinion, but I still regard them as ok games. 

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]FFVI proves you wrong. Better story, better characters, better villain, better setting, better gameplay, better artwork. But Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever. FFVI is just the best JRPG ever. The only ones comparable are FFIV and Chrono Trigger.RahnAetas

 LOL  FFVI  HHAHAHHAHAHHAH

only like 3-4 characters even get any development   the rest are just filler, and the villian was lame kefka had no real motivation to do anything he was just a cliched crazy villian who wants to destroy things....

the whole game was really quite boring with the exception of terra, celes, and locke.

 And Planescape does have the best story.

The only characters that didn't really get developed in FFVI was Mog, Umaro, and Gogo.  Everyone else had a storyline, and for the most part all of their storylines were optional.  FFVI actually centers around Kefka, as opposed to the heros of the story.  As for Kefka's motivation, his was pure:  Power and hate.  He wasn't filled with angst, he wasn't emotionally torn, he wasn't the victim of some controved plot device forcing him to be a mad force of power. 

In short, it was perhaps the last good example of good vs evil.  Nowadays, villians need some elaborate backstory and reason to be 'evil'.  Almost all villians are a result of circumstance now. 

the problem is you are thinking of good and evil as absolutes... they are subjective and will vary from person to person...

thats why seymour is better than kefka in that sense

seymours motivations were he thought the only way to bring peace to spira was killing everyone. the only way to eliminate pain and suffering was to be dead....  hes only doing whats hes doing for spira to take their sorrow away as he puts it.

kefka on the other hand was the generic evil guy who wanted power.

seymour wins

[QUOTE="tidus222"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]FFVI proves you wrong. Better story, better characters, better villain, better setting, better gameplay, better artwork. But Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever. FFVI is just the best JRPG ever. The only ones comparable are FFIV and Chrono Trigger.tidus222

did you even finish FFX LOL

LOL FFVI HHAHAHHAHAHHAH

only like 3-4 characters even get any development the rest are just filler, and the villian was lame kefka had no real motivation to do anything he was just a cliched crazy villian who wants to destroy things....

the whole game was really quite boring with the exception of terra, celes, and locke.

sin is just a big aeon like a shell for summoning dream zanarkand it had no motives of its own, because yu yevon was controlling the fayth makign them summon dream zanarkand. meanwhile he had sin as the armor to protect it...

seymour winstidus222

Seymour was a melodramatic poof. At least other villians had charisma.

Seriously.. FFX was not a very good game.  I mean, I beat it, and it had its moments.... but there are a whole slew of games I liked more (RPGs) and that I would and have played again.

I mean, Chrono Cross > FFX, for instance.

[QUOTE="haris12121212"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]Are you kidding me? The only FF worse than X is IX. Raidea

I agree.

FFX nearly destroyed the whole FF series for me, lucky XII isn't a bad game.

Terrible, terrible voice acting killed the whole game. Not to mention the exclusion of the world map, and the boring sphere grid.

Without counting XI (Which is disgrace), FFXII is worser than FFX, but not by very much I seriously enjoyed both games its the only default XII has is the character developpment, and FFX the linear story, but none of those made the two games "bad" as a matter of fact both games are AAA overall.

Well when I say bad, I mean bad in terms of Final Fantasy as a series. Which we all know is a good series.

Both X and XII can't hold a candle to the PS1 FFs in my opinion, but I still regard them as ok games.

Hell yes, I have yet to see a game such as FFTactic to have such a great plot and replay value still one of the best Tactical RPG ever, a game where the char. developpement is so great (FF7) Vincent Valentine and Yuffie are OPTIONAL characters and yet they are so popular and Vincent has a whole great background story around him. And the love story of FF8 between Squall and Lenoa (Rinoa) is yet to be matched in new FF's the Tidus-Yuna was great but imo not close to the one between Squall and Lenoa (Rinoa). 

[QUOTE="curono"]

There is a little creep called Chrono Trigger which beats up the heck of almost EVERY RPG DONE.

tidus222

 chrono trigger is a pretty good game,  the time travel mechanic of the whoel game was pulled off great especially for an SNES game.... the story while pretty solid just wasnt deep enough for me. everything came together really well with magnus and how he was sent back in time and how everytinh makes sense in the end..... but just not deep enough.

Magnus??? You mean Magus??

Come on, that game is legendary. It is one of the most open ended games ever. It really gives you possibilities without being a sandbox. FFX is good, yet, the fact that it is a linear story affects it. But Chrono has no linear adventure, you can kill characters, let them dead, let them join you, finish the game early.

Besides,  FFX final boss (not the summons) seems to be made just based on lavos.. PFFFT!

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]FFVI proves you wrong. Better story, better characters, better villain, better setting, better gameplay, better artwork. But Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever. FFVI is just the best JRPG ever. The only ones comparable are FFIV and Chrono Trigger.tidus222

 LOL  FFVI  HHAHAHHAHAHHAH

only like 3-4 characters even get any development   the rest are just filler, and the villian was lame kefka had no real motivation to do anything he was just a cliched crazy villian who wants to destroy things....

the whole game was really quite boring with the exception of terra, celes, and locke.

 And Planescape does have the best story.

The only characters that didn't really get developed in FFVI was Mog, Umaro, and Gogo.  Everyone else had a storyline, and for the most part all of their storylines were optional.  FFVI actually centers around Kefka, as opposed to the heros of the story.  As for Kefka's motivation, his was pure:  Power and hate.  He wasn't filled with angst, he wasn't emotionally torn, he wasn't the victim of some controved plot device forcing him to be a mad force of power. 

In short, it was perhaps the last good example of good vs evil.  Nowadays, villians need some elaborate backstory and reason to be 'evil'.  Almost all villians are a result of circumstance now. 

the problem is you are thinking of good and evil as absolutes... they are subjective and will vary from person to person...

thats why seymour is better than kefka in that sense

seymours motivations were he thought the only way to bring peace to spira was killing everyone. the only way to eliminate pain and suffering was to be dead....  hes only doing whats hes doing for spira to take their sorrow away as he puts it.

kefka on the other hand was the generic evil guy who wanted power.

seymour wins

For a hero to be great, the villian must be greater.  The villain has to be so good at what he does that they force the hero to grow and over come what the villian stands for.  Otherwise you get a lame plot in where it's nothing but enlightening self-discovery and lovely dovey support from the support characters, and in the end the hero is never truely challenged to the core, to grow.  From start to finish very few FFVI characters were the same at the end.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="tidus222"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]FFVI proves you wrong. Better story, better characters, better villain, better setting, better gameplay, better artwork. But Planescape: Torment is the best RPG ever. FFVI is just the best JRPG ever. The only ones comparable are FFIV and Chrono Trigger.tidus222

LOL FFVI HHAHAHHAHAHHAH

only like 3-4 characters even get any development the rest are just filler, and the villian was lame kefka had no real motivation to do anything he was just a cliched crazy villian who wants to destroy things....

the whole game was really quite boring with the exception of terra, celes, and locke.

And Planescape does have the best story.

The only characters that didn't really get developed in FFVI was Mog, Umaro, and Gogo. Everyone else had a storyline, and for the most part all of their storylines were optional. FFVI actually centers around Kefka, as opposed to the heros of the story. As for Kefka's motivation, his was pure: Power and hate. He wasn't filled with angst, he wasn't emotionally torn, he wasn't the victim of some controved plot device forcing him to be a mad force of power.

In short, it was perhaps the last good example of good vs evil. Nowadays, villians need some elaborate backstory and reason to be 'evil'. Almost all villians are a result of circumstance now.

the problem is you are thinking of good and evil as absolutes... they are subjective and will vary from person to person...

thats why seymour is better than kefka in that sense

seymours motivations were he thought the only way to bring peace to spira was killing everyone. the only way to eliminate pain and suffering was to be dead.... hes only doing whats hes doing for spira to take their sorrow away as he puts it.

kefka on the other hand was the generic evil guy who wanted power.

seymour wins

[QUOTE="tidus222"]seymour wins-Spock-

Seymour was a melodramatic poof. At least other villians had charisma.

I agree, Seymour shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as classic FF villains like Kefka and Sephiroth.

Also, Shadow Hearts > FFX.

This is fun.  I never really knew how much that game irritated me until now.