Now that 360 graphics have failed to match PS3's, is there any hope for Gears 3?

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#101 ermacness
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[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="goodtobeback"]

how i compared ps2 vs dreamcast power? it was by multiplatform games...ps2 was more difficult to program for but still outperformed it at multiplats.

xbox360 has overall proved it's more powerful than ps3.

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If you're using "multiplats" as an argument on how the 360 is more powerful, then you have lost ALL credibility in this debate, especially since it been stated by a plethora of devs that the deliberately port over the ps3 version of multiplats due to the much needed time and money, and going by sales, the 360 version tends to make the most money for them.

Actually multiplats are the ONLY way possible to compare console capabilities :? Some are developed first on 360, other on PS3 and the results are allways similar versions.

Saying 360 can run Uncharted2 is as biased as saying PS3 cant run Gears 2. Theres simply no proof.

Umm no it isn't, especially when dev already came out and admitted to only port over most multiplats for the ps3 from the 360, and when most sites already stated that porting over multiplats from the 360 to the ps3 will make the ps3 version look bad because of vastly different architecture. Exclusives are the way to go because the dev gets one-on-one time with the console without having to worry about porting issues.

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#102 incuensuocha
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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

a while back Alan Wake's graphics were hyped through the roof, it was even said to look better than Uncharted 2. well now that AW and many other 360 games graphics were hyped for best looking game on consoles and have failed to match PS3 graphics, is there really any hope for Gears 3 to match PS3's amazing graphics?

especially since every game 360 game before has not matched up PS3's quality graphics??

Jamani
I think you shouldn't worry about graphics...and worry about the momentum 360 is on right now..outselling the PS3 every month...but but teeeeh graphicss.smh

Why should he or any one else on SW worry about momentum or sales? What does it matter to us? Regardless of how either console is doing sales wise, PS3 still has some great games and some incredible games coming. As long as Sony continues to support their customers with great games, I don't care if they don't sell another console again. Of course, we know that's not going to happen. PS3 is doing fine.
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#103 Mrmccormo
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Gears 3 will surpass uncharted 2, epic is the only dev pushing the 360 to it's limits.johny300
Well, if it does surpass Uncharted 2, good for it! It's only surpassing a 2-year-old game. Surpassing UC3, Last Guardian, KZ3, and perhaps even inFamous 2 and Resistance 3 is a different story. Sad how some fanboys argue graphics and twist the critera around to suit their needs. "Gears 3 will look better than UC2 so HAHAHAH! Take that cows!"
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#104 ermacness
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[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] then pc wins. at this point, you're fighting for second place.EndlessPunisher

and this was important to THIS particular thread, HOW?:|

Well, the threads almost kinda bashing the 360 for not having the best graphics. But since PC graphics > PS3, it kinda blows your mind. I'm not even a PC gamer, and I agree to this.

But when a 360 vs ps3 thread comes into play when discussing overall libraries or sales, it's ok to praise the 360 to the heavens and back , even though the 360 isn't munber 1 in any of those categories, amrite?:roll:

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#106 MFDOOM1983
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Why do console players argue so much about graphics?

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#107 Videodogg
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My god, Gears looks amazing, Uncharted looks amazing.... is there any hope for gamers?

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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]Cows are the ones saying the 260 is all tapped out, and how it can never produce UC2 visuals. Whilst ever sane person knows that visual quality will increase over time, as devs find better ways to use the limited hardware.Gears 3 releasing and being better looking then UC2 would just prove that Cows are full of s**t Besides, let's not pretend the current videos aren't on par with UC3(If not better)Mrmccormo
it'd prove that "cows are full of s**t"? Yes, that's important to do. Prove that "cows are full of it" by having a game from late 2011 top a game from 2009? Riiiight. Besides, let's not pretend EPIC has a long and well-known track record of doctoring and altering their screenshots and preview videos of their games, ESPECIALLY for Gears of War. Both GeoW games failed to match the trailers and screenshots released for them (well, GeoW1 matched it when it hit PC). I'll wait until the actual game comes out to see if it manages to top a 2-year-old game that has won more GotY awards than any 360 exclusive.

Epic along with every other developer.

I remember when Cows were claiming the first UC3 pics were in game :lol:

Then we got to see in game and it looks slightly better then UC2, which for all we know could be down to cherry picking scenes.

Gears 3 on the other hand looks far better then Gears 2 from all the gameplay vids we've seen.

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#111 HailCaesarHail
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nothing on 360 can even even beat Killzone 2 much less Uncharted 2 & 3.
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#112 Grawse
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Why do console players argue so much about graphics?

MFDOOM1983

I remember I was one of those, so sad lol. That's why I PC game now.

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#114 MrDziekuje
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Woah, did I just step into a time machine? Is this 2006? People are still arguing over console power.

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#115 incuensuocha
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[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"][QUOTE="goodtobeback"]

medal of honor on ps3 uses unreal engine 3 for single player, the godrays in that beat uncharted 3 or killzone3's godrays already.

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Why the heck are you arguing about godrays? What a pathetic and overly-specific thing to compare two games on.

you compare games in all aspects.

gears 3 has better textures look more detailed upclose than uncharted 3.

i own gears 2 and uncharted 2....gears 2 textures look better upclose.

I own both too and that's a load of BS. U2's textures are way better than Gears 2. Gears is a great looking game, but not up close. This can especially be seen in the faces. Gears' faces are grainy, whereas U2's faces are detailed and sharp.
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#116 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

Why do console players argue so much about graphics?

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I remember I was one of those, so sad lol. That's why I PC game now.

Yeah, its weird seeing people fight over games that have a 1280x770 resolution, little aliasing, sub 30fps and pre baked graphical effects. Its like watching homeless people fight over a dollar store shirt.:P

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#117 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]U mad?Mrmccormo
Nah. Just entertained by how 360 owners stand so confidently behind the "gameplay is more important than graphics" moniker when it suits them, but when a remotely good-looking game comes out they all take up pitchforks and try to assert that it looks better than any PS3 game everrrr!.


It's what fanboys do.

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[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]Cows are the ones saying the 260 is all tapped out, and how it can never produce UC2 visuals. Whilst ever sane person knows that visual quality will increase over time, as devs find better ways to use the limited hardware.Gears 3 releasing and being better looking then UC2 would just prove that Cows are full of s**t Besides, let's not pretend the current videos aren't on par with UC3(If not better)-Snooze-

it'd prove that "cows are full of s**t"? Yes, that's important to do. Prove that "cows are full of it" by having a game from late 2011 top a game from 2009? Riiiight. Besides, let's not pretend EPIC has a long and well-known track record of doctoring and altering their screenshots and preview videos of their games, ESPECIALLY for Gears of War. Both GeoW games failed to match the trailers and screenshots released for them (well, GeoW1 matched it when it hit PC). I'll wait until the actual game comes out to see if it manages to top a 2-year-old game that has won more GotY awards than any 360 exclusive.

Epic along with every other developer.

I remember when Cows were claiming the first UC3 pics were in game :lol:

Then we got to see in game and it looks slightly better then UC2, which for all we know could be down to cherry picking scenes.

Gears 3 on the other hand looks far better then Gears 2 from all the gameplay vids we've seen.

Actually uncharted 3 looks a fair bit better than uncharted 2 from the gameplay video's. It's gotten a slightly higher polygon count and sharper textures along with better post processing effects. As well as lighting.

Which, btw both of those games have amazing lighting... Either they'll end up looking the same, or uncharted 3 will look slightly better because of the character models. Because both games are pretty much even in everything but character models so far.

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#120 Mrmccormo
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Yeah, its weird seeing people fight over games that have a 1280x770 resolution, little aliasing, sub 30fps and pre baked graphical effects. Its like watching homeless people fight over a dollar store shirt.:PMFDOOM1983
It's also weird how PC fanboys brag about graphics when PC hasn't won any major GotY awards in over half a decade. It's like watching a rich kid buying a $10,000 guitar but then gets owned by Eric Clapton playing a crappy $400 acoustic.
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#121 Magik85
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Its a matter of taste...i like AW graphics bit more than U2....U2 has better textures, character models and resolution while Alan has better lightning, filters and higher AA.
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Yeah, its weird seeing people fight over games that have a 1280x770 resolution, little aliasing, sub 30fps and pre baked graphical effects. Its like watching homeless people fight over a dollar store shirt.:PMrmccormo
It's also weird how PC fanboys brag about graphics when PC hasn't won any major GotY awards in over half a decade. It's like watching a rich kid buying a $10,000 guitar but then gets owned by Eric Clapton playing a crappy $400 acoustic.

What does gs's goty award have to do with graphics? Reading comprehension ftl
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#123 blaznwiipspman1
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actually there is a game on the xbox 360 that comes close to uncharted 2. The game is multiplat though. It is called Assasins Creed Brothahood. If you say otherwise you haven't played it plain and simple.

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#124 MFDOOM1983
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actually there is a game on the xbox 360 that comes close to uncharted 2. The game is multiplat though. It is called Assasins Creed Brothahood. If you say otherwise you haven't played it plain and simple.

blaznwiipspman1
That game is plagued by some for noticeable screen tearing, frame-rate and draw in issues. Not very pleasing to the eye. rdr on the other hand could be up there technically.
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#125 theuncharted34
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actually there is a game on the xbox 360 that comes close to uncharted 2. The game is multiplat though. It is called Assasins Creed Brothahood. If you say otherwise you haven't played it plain and simple.

blaznwiipspman1

It looks good but it's not that impressive technically. It's mostly because of the art style. The game sure does look good but I think prince of persia looks better :D

gorgeous 8)

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#126 vashkey
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Hope? What exactly happens if Gears 3 isn't the most graphically impressive game on the market? Does Microsoft go out of business? Is the game no longer capable of being good? Where was all this placed importance of graphics when Sony's PS2 was the weakest major competing platform? Where's your proof that the 360 is less powerful?

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#127 theuncharted34
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Hope? What exactly happens if Gears 3 isn't the most graphically impressive game on the market? Does Microsoft go out of business? Is the game no longer capable of being good? Where was all this placed importance when Sony's PS2 was the weakest major competing platform? Where's your proof that the 360 is less powerful? vashkey

the 360 fanboy's die inside. That's what happens D:

jk :P

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#128 Mrmccormo
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[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Yeah, its weird seeing people fight over games that have a 1280x770 resolution, little aliasing, sub 30fps and pre baked graphical effects. Its like watching homeless people fight over a dollar store shirt.:PMFDOOM1983
It's also weird how PC fanboys brag about graphics when PC hasn't won any major GotY awards in over half a decade. It's like watching a rich kid buying a $10,000 guitar but then gets owned by Eric Clapton playing a crappy $400 acoustic.

What does gs's goty award have to do with graphics? Reading comprehension ftl

What do your subjective views on PC graphics have to do in a thread titled "Now that 360 graphics have failed to match PS3's, is there any hope for Gears 3?" I'd say its your own reading skills that need some help. I was just trying to help out a fellow gamer and inform you that there's more to PC gaming than buying a game, installing it, and then trolling forums about its graphics! :)
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#129 -Snooze-
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="Mrmccormo"] It's also weird how PC fanboys brag about graphics when PC hasn't won any major GotY awards in over half a decade. It's like watching a rich kid buying a $10,000 guitar but then gets owned by Eric Clapton playing a crappy $400 acoustic.Mrmccormo
What does gs's goty award have to do with graphics? Reading comprehension ftl

What do your subjective views on PC graphics have to do in a thread titled "Now that 360 graphics have failed to match PS3's, is there any hope for Gears 3?" I'd say its your own reading skills that need some help. I was just trying to help out a fellow gamer and inform you that there's more to PC gaming than buying a game, installing it, and then trolling forums about its graphics! :)

I'm thinking it has to do with the same subjective views that the 360 has failed to match the PS3 in visuals ...

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#130 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="Mrmccormo"] It's also weird how PC fanboys brag about graphics when PC hasn't won any major GotY awards in over half a decade. It's like watching a rich kid buying a $10,000 guitar but then gets owned by Eric Clapton playing a crappy $400 acoustic.Mrmccormo
What does gs's goty award have to do with graphics? Reading comprehension ftl

What do your subjective views on PC graphics have to do in a thread titled "Now that 360 graphics have failed to match PS3's, is there any hope for Gears 3?" I'd say its your own reading skills that need some help. I was just trying to help out a fellow gamer and inform you that there's more to PC gaming than buying a game, installing it, and then trolling forums about its graphics! :)

Try harder. I was responding to a person who quoted me. The entire thread is pointless due to 99% of the posters arguing based on what looks pleasing to their eyes. Artistic = subjective technical = facts

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#131 Diviniuz
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Until a 360 game comes out and proves otherwise, then no.

Maybe you should wait for Gears 3 to be released and then pass judgment on it?

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#132 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="dommeus"]

Until a 360 game comes out and proves otherwise, then no.

Maybe you should wait for Gears 3 to be released and then pass judgment on it?

Even though there are games that have matched ps3 games, even when gears of war 3 comes out the TC won't let it be called a match or surpass he will claim there is soemthing wrong with it...etc you shouldn't have so much faith in humanity.
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#133 EndlessPunisher
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[QUOTE="EndlessPunisher"][QUOTE="ermacness"]and this was important to THIS particular thread, HOW?:|

ermacness

Well, the threads almost kinda bashing the 360 for not having the best graphics. But since PC graphics > PS3, it kinda blows your mind. I'm not even a PC gamer, and I agree to this.

But when a 360 vs ps3 thread comes into play when discussing overall libraries or sales, it's ok to praise the 360 to the heavens and back , even though the 360 isn't munber 1 in any of those categories, amrite?:roll:

This is a graphics thread. Wasn't hating on the PS3, and never did I praise the 360. That's the thing, we aren't discussing sales or libraries, and I'm no where near educated enough to tell you about the hardware in each system. This threads about graphic capacity of a system, which again I will say it PC > PS3 & 360. Why? Because PC hardware can be recent and not 4 - 5 years old.
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#134 Grawse
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Yeah, its weird seeing people fight over games that have a 1280x770 resolution, little aliasing, sub 30fps and pre baked graphical effects. Its like watching homeless people fight over a dollar store shirt.:PMrmccormo
It's also weird how PC fanboys brag about graphics when PC hasn't won any major GotY awards in over half a decade. It's like watching a rich kid buying a $10,000 guitar but then gets owned by Eric Clapton playing a crappy $400 acoustic.

You're right. The sub HD MGS4 looks better than Crysis Warhead :lol:

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The most graphically intensive 3rd-party games(Resident Evil 5, Red Dead Redemption) look and perform better on the 360. That should tell you something.
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#136 Mrmccormo
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The most graphically intensive 3rd-party games(Resident Evil 5, Red Dead Redemption) look and perform better on the 360. That should tell you something. CrustyBritches
:D Never thought I'd see "graphically intensive" and RE5 and RDR in the same sentence. Oh, 360 fanboys. What funny kids you are.
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[QUOTE="CrustyBritches"]The most graphically intensive 3rd-party games(Resident Evil 5, Red Dead Redemption) look and perform better on the 360. That should tell you something. Mrmccormo
:D Never thought I'd see "graphically intensive" and RE5 and RDR in the same sentence. Oh, 360 fanboys. What funny kids you are.

I find that weak humans will generally false accuse others of what is true about themselves. You call me a fanboy, yet rely on mindless mocking and name calling to mask your insecurity about a piece of plastic.

Resident Evil 5 pushes up to 4 million polygons per frame with 4xAA. Makes Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2 cry like little girls.
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[QUOTE="CrustyBritches"]The most graphically intensive 3rd-party games(Resident Evil 5, Red Dead Redemption) look and perform better on the 360. That should tell you something. Mrmccormo
:D Never thought I'd see "graphically intensive" and RE5 and RDR in the same sentence. Oh, 360 fanboys. What funny kids you are.

Yeah ... The PS3 RDR was a bit crap. On the Xbox however it is nothing short of a technical marvel.

Of course you'd rather be amazed at how Naughty Dog can make a 6 hour straight line, full of set pieces look decent.

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[QUOTE="CrustyBritches"]The most graphically intensive 3rd-party games(Resident Evil 5, Red Dead Redemption) look and perform better on the 360. That should tell you something. Mrmccormo
:D Never thought I'd see "graphically intensive" and RE5 and RDR in the same sentence. Oh, 360 fanboys. What funny kids you are.

actually they are technically impressive games. They don't quite match even killzone 2, which is the 3rd best looking game on the consoles, but they are very impressive.

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#140 Master_ShakeXXX
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Haven't you guys been looking at the Gears 3 screenshots? It has better graphics than Crysis!
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#141 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="ermacness"]

:lol:

This place is just too hilarious. When the ps3 outdoes the competition in something, it passes off like "so what?", but was it the lems who touted that the ps3 GPU is old and cheap? Was it the lems who touted that the 360 have the superior GPU. by miles? Was it the lems who tried to use multiplats as a factor to defining a console's true power? The exclusives aren't denerations apart, but UC2 (mostly) and GOW3 does have a noticeable lead on visuals vs most to all of the 360 exlusives.

BTW, i see some people here derailing the thread by stating salea. :lol:

With multiplats, it reduces art work subjectivity.
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#142 clone01
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[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="ermacness"]If you think that we're (or more likely,I'm) discussing the quality of a game, then you need to go to the entry of the thread, and read the title. We're discussing VISUALS here, not QUALITY OF THE GAME.

then pc wins. at this point, you're fighting for second place.

and this was important to THIS particular thread, HOW?:|

its system wars. we're talking about graphics. the pc is a system. its totally relevant to this thread.
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#143 Nisim19
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AW looks amzing






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#144 MFDOOM1983
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^That looks terrible. Reminds be of the blurry messes that are rdr and gta4 on ps3.

Oh wait, all three are sub hd.:(

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#145 Funconsole
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Dude, i don't think ANYONE on this forum takes you seriously anymore... Just stop TC
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#146 -Snooze-
Member since 2009 • 7304 Posts

^That looks terrible. Reminds be of the blurry messes that are rdr and gta4 on ps3.

Oh wait, all three are sub hd.:(

MFDOOM1983

Let's not forget the abysmal mess that was MGS4.

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#147 gpuking
Member since 2004 • 3914 Posts
UC2 looks better still, it has HDR, 37k+ character models, better physics, better shaders both parallax map and SSS, far denser polycount in environment as well as more variation in textures. Gears 3 has dynamic sun shaft that's all. There is no hope for Gears 3.
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#148 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts
Not until Microsoft starts supporting their first party IPs the way Sony does and not just for casual crap for Kinect which means basically never.
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#149 FIipMode
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I don't have hope, but that's because I haven't liked anything I've seen with Gears 3 graphically, Crysis 2 on the other hand..
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#150 themyth01
Member since 2003 • 13924 Posts
360 games look just as good as ps3 games imo