Now that 360 graphics have failed to match PS3's, is there any hope for Gears 3?

[QUOTE="delta3074"]don't be absurd,RDR is a far more demanding game than UC2, it's open world, it has realtime weather effects, night and day cycle, random events, realtime water deformation and streaming of an incredibly huge world, not to mention more onscreen AI, and it does many other things that a game like uncharted 2 doesn't have to 'worry about', also, RDR's draw distance is far greater than UC2's to say otherwise is just laughable, the Rage engine has far more technical prowess than the engine used for uncharted, i mean, the Ps3 can run uncharted in HD perfectly, it cannot run RDR in HD and it has less foliage to optimise performance, obviously the Ps3 has more trouble running RDR than it does UC2, so which one do you think pushes the Ps3 the most?Mrmccormo

Rage has better animations, physics and water ... I'd also argue RDR has better lighting.

Uncharted is a mostly scripted game ... They're not demanding.

Again which game got most graphics awards? why do you people complain about opinions and then try to pass yours as fact? UC2 is optimized for the PS3 hardware, RDR is not, as simple as that.

kuraimen

awards are opinions. and you should be one of the last people complaining about people passing off their opinion as fact. at least delta has suggested technical benchmarks that might suggest RDR to be the more demanding game.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"] Why do you care? Being a PC gamer, you weren't able to play either RDR nor Uncharted 2.Mrmccormo

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Again which game got most graphics awards? why do you people complain about opinions and then try to pass yours as fact? UC2 is optimized for the PS3 hardware, RDR is not, as simple as that.

clone01

awards are opinions. and you should be one of the last people complaining about people passing off their opinion as fact. at least delta has suggested technical benchmarks that might suggest RDR to be the more demanding game.

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"][QUOTE="delta3074"]don't be absurd,RDR is a far more demanding game than UC2, it's open world, it has realtime weather effects, night and day cycle, random events, realtime water deformation and streaming of an incredibly huge world, not to mention more onscreen AI, and it does many other things that a game like uncharted 2 doesn't have to 'worry about', also, RDR's draw distance is far greater than UC2's to say otherwise is just laughable, the Rage engine has far more technical prowess than the engine used for uncharted, i mean, the Ps3 can run uncharted in HD perfectly, it cannot run RDR in HD and it has less foliage to optimise performance, obviously the Ps3 has more trouble running RDR than it does UC2, so which one do you think pushes the Ps3 the most?-Snooze-

Rage has better animations, physics and water ... I'd also argue RDR has better lighting.

Uncharted is a mostly scripted game ... They're not demanding.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] but awards[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Again which game got most graphics awards? why do you people complain about opinions and then try to pass yours as fact? UC2 is optimized for the PS3 hardware, RDR is not, as simple as that.

clone01

awards are opinions. and you should be one of the last people complaining about people passing off their opinion as fact. at least delta has suggested technical benchmarks that might suggest RDR to be the more demanding game.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Again which game got most graphics awards? why do you people complain about opinions and then try to pass yours as fact? UC2 is optimized for the PS3 hardware, RDR is not, as simple as that.

kuraimen

awards are opinions. and you should be one of the last people complaining about people passing off their opinion as fact. at least delta has suggested technical benchmarks that might suggest RDR to be the more demanding game.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

awards are opinions. and you should be one of the last people complaining about people passing off their opinion as fact. at least delta has suggested technical benchmarks that might suggest RDR to be the more demanding game.

MFDOOM1983

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="clone01"]

awards are opinions. and you should be one of the last people complaining about people passing off their opinion as fact. at least delta has suggested technical benchmarks that might suggest RDR to be the more demanding game.

clone01

I'll give it to you if you guys find me a link and substantiated proof to your arguments.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] UC2 got the most technical graphics awards too.kuraimen

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] UC2 got the most technical graphics awards too.kuraimen

I'll give it to you if you guys find me a link and substantiated proof to your arguments.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] UC2 got the most technical graphics awards too.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] link? substantiated proof? clone01

I'll give it to you if you guys find me a link and substantiated proof to your arguments.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]don't be absurd,RDR is a far more demanding game than UC2, it's open world, it has realtime weather effects, night and day cycle, random events, realtime water deformation and streaming of an incredibly huge world, not to mention more onscreen AI, and it does many other things that a game like uncharted 2 doesn't have to 'worry about', also, RDR's draw distance is far greater than UC2's to say otherwise is just laughable, the Rage engine has far more technical prowess than the engine used for uncharted, i mean, the Ps3 can run uncharted in HD perfectly, it cannot run RDR in HD and it has less foliage to optimise performance, obviously the Ps3 has more trouble running RDR than it does UC2, so which one do you think pushes the Ps3 the most?Mrmccormo

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] rdr and uc2 were not competing for those awards so they hold little weight in this argument.

MFDOOM1983

Still my opinion is supported by more techincally graphics awards for UC2 your opinion is supported by pure speculation then.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Yeah but UC2 still got more awardskuraimen

Still my opinion is supported by more techincally graphics awards for UC2 your opinion is supported by pure speculation then.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"] And despite all this waxing and explaining, which one looks better? UC2. It's cherry picking when you only use draw distance, day/night cycles, and water (which UC2 has better water anyway) as your criteria yet ignore texture quality, character animation, physics, explosions, particle effects, shading, lighting, and so forth.kuraimen

Rage has better animations, physics and water ... I'd also argue RDR has better lighting.

Uncharted is a mostly scripted game ... They're not demanding.

Uncharted is at it's best during set pieces. Gears 2 is easily on par with UC2's best during it's few set pieces, long inside the worm or when fighting that giant fish.

Uncharted just has far more set pieces, and thus overall looks better then Gears 2.

Gears 3 looks better then both, which kinda proves the 360 can handle a game like UC2.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Your argument is flawed. Not only were they not competing with each other due to their release date but you would have to take a good look at their competition. IMO 2010 featured far more technically stacked games.MFDOOM1983

Still my opinion is supported by more techincally graphics awards for UC2 your opinion is supported by pure speculation then.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Rage has better animations, physics and water ... I'd also argue RDR has better lighting.

Uncharted is a mostly scripted game ... They're not demanding.

-Snooze-

Uncharted is at it's best during set pieces. Gears 2 is easily on par with UC2's best during it's few set pieces, long inside the worm or when fighting that giant fish.

Uncharted just has far more set pieces, and thus overall looks better then Gears 2.

Gears 3 looks better then both, which kinda proves the 360 can handle a game like UC2.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Still my opinion is supported by more techincally graphics awards for UC2 your opinion is supported by pure speculation then.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I wonder why is that the 360 hasn't been able to do a scripted non-demanding game as good looking as UC2 then?kuraimen

Uncharted is at it's best during set pieces. Gears 2 is easily on par with UC2's best during it's few set pieces, long inside the worm or when fighting that giant fish.

Uncharted just has far more set pieces, and thus overall looks better then Gears 2.

Gears 3 looks better then both, which kinda proves the 360 can handle a game like UC2.

I'm nota Lem and that was but the last line of my post. Address the rest of it.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"] And despite all this waxing and explaining, which one looks better? UC2. It's cherry picking when you only use draw distance, day/night cycles, and water (which UC2 has better water anyway) as your criteria yet ignore texture quality, character animation, physics, explosions, particle effects, shading, lighting, and so forth.kuraimen

Rage has better animations, physics and water ... I'd also argue RDR has better lighting.

Uncharted is a mostly scripted game ... They're not demanding.

Does the fact it doesnt have mean that it cant handle? If so, i presume PS3 couldnt handle an HD version of RDR.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]your opinion is supported by opinions that have nothing to do with his argument. congrats

delta3074

Wikipedia has 2 graphics awards for RDR from mostly unknown sources and not sure if they are technical. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dead_Redemption#Awards

UC2, on the other hand, has a lot of graphics awards, a lot technical graphics awards and even from the most repectable sources in the gaming business. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_received_by_Uncharted_2:_Among_Thieves

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] UC2 got the most technical graphics awards too.kuraimen

Im pretty sure that there was very few competition in 09 compared to last year.

it's cherry picking if you choose to ignore things like draw distance, realtime effects and onscreen AI, day/night cycles and the fact a game has to manage a far bigger area and far more events when talking about an engines technical prowess also, UC2 looks better because it is more linear which means more memory can be allocated to graphics=Fact, better graphics does not equate to an engine being technically better, and UC2 does have better looking water, more realistic water? not a chancedelta3074

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Uncharted is at it's best during set pieces. Gears 2 is easily on par with UC2's best during it's few set pieces, long inside the worm or when fighting that giant fish.

Uncharted just has far more set pieces, and thus overall looks better then Gears 2.

Gears 3 looks better then both, which kinda proves the 360 can handle a game like UC2.

-Snooze-

I'm nota Lem and that was but the last line of my post. Address the rest of it.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] rdr and uc2 were not competing for those awards so they hold little weight in this argument.

PAL360

Im pretty sure that there was very few competition in 09 compared to last year.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Why do lems always resort to unreleased games for graphics ownage in the end? Oh I guess I know why :Pkuraimen

I'm nota Lem and that was but the last line of my post. Address the rest of it.

I haven't asked you for any proof whatsoever, cause nothing you've said can be proved.

You've made some ridiculous statements like Uncharted has better draw distance, animations, physics etc, but I havent asked you to prove it.

Im pretty sure that there was very few competition in 09 compared to last year.

PAL360

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Why is it that you people ask me for proof and you can come up with all that without any proof whatsoever? Proof?-Snooze-

I haven't asked you for any proof whatsoever, cause nothing you've said can be proved.

You've made some ridiculous statements like Uncharted has better draw distance, animations, physics etc, but I havent asked you to prove it.

I think that wasn't him.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]it's cherry picking if you choose to ignore things like draw distance, realtime effects and onscreen AI, day/night cycles and the fact a game has to manage a far bigger area and far more events when talking about an engines technical prowess also, UC2 looks better because it is more linear which means more memory can be allocated to graphics=Fact, better graphics does not equate to an engine being technically better, and UC2 does have better looking water, more realistic water? not a chanceMrmccormo

You cant 'interact' with RDR´s water but it´s probably the best looking water you could find in a console game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgt5Pic27dY

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Im pretty sure that there was very few competition in 09 compared to last year.

Mrmccormo

All great games but imo very few could compete with RDR in graphics department.

You cant 'interact' with RDR´s water but it´s probably the best looking water you could find in a console game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgt5Pic27dY

PAL360

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

I'm nota Lem and that was but the last line of my post. Address the rest of it.

-Snooze-

I haven't asked you for any proof whatsoever, cause nothing you've said can be proved.

You've made some ridiculous statements like Uncharted has better draw distance, animations, physics etc, but I havent asked you to prove it.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

You cant 'interact' with RDR´s water but it´s probably the best looking water you could find in a console game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgt5Pic27dY

Mrmccormo

Indeed, but when did i said RDR´s water was technically better?

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

You cant 'interact' with RDR´s water but it´s probably the best looking water you could find in a console game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgt5Pic27dY

PAL360

Indeed, but when did i said RDR´s water was technically better?

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"] But I thought "best looking" didn't matter in a discussion about technical prowess? Mrmccormo

Indeed, but when did i said RDR´s water was technically better?

Thats true, water in RDR is beautiful only to look at. I hate the fact the character cant swim! Anyway, on the overall technical part im with the other user. I agree that visually Uncharted2 is better but i find RDR the most technically impressive game.

a while back Alan Wake's graphics were hyped through the roof, it was even said to look better than Uncharted 2. well now that AW and many other 360 games graphics were hyped for best looking game on consoles and have failed to match PS3 graphics, is there really any hope for Gears 3 to match PS3's amazing graphics?

especially since every game 360 game before has not matched up PS3's quality graphics??

KevinButlerVP

I don't see the point to this thread....

Again which game got most graphics awards? why do you people complain about opinions and then try to pass yours as fact? UC2 is optimized for the PS3 hardware, RDR is not, as simple as that.

some guy

You are using reviews to try and lend credence to your argument.

There isn't a single review that can claim x game is better graphically than x game without having knowledge of what went into making the game and then verifying whether or not it can run on the platform that you claim is inferior.

Your task would be impossible. With that said, reviews are just as subjective is yours and my opinions so stop trying to use them as some sort of evidence.

100,000,000 opinions will never been nothing more than just that: Opinions. No matter how many there are, they will never equate to a objective fact.

[QUOTE="some guy"]

Again which game got most graphics awards? why do you people complain about opinions and then try to pass yours as fact? UC2 is optimized for the PS3 hardware, RDR is not, as simple as that.

Vadamee

You are using reviews to try and lend credence to your argument.

There isn't a single review that can claim x game is better graphically than x game without having knowledge of what went into making the game and then verifying whether or not it can run on the platform that you claim is inferior.

Your task would be impossible. With that said, reviews are just as subjective is yours and my opinions so stop trying to use them as some sort of evidence.

100,000,000 opinions will never been nothing more than just that: Opinions. No matter how many there are, they will never equate to a objective fact.

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

a while back Alan Wake's graphics were hyped through the roof, it was even said to look better than Uncharted 2. well now that AW and many other 360 games graphics were hyped for best looking game on consoles and have failed to match PS3 graphics, is there really any hope for Gears 3 to match PS3's amazing graphics?

especially since every game 360 game before has not matched up PS3's quality graphics??

Jamani

And you should worry not how much the 360 sells but the fact that the PS3 has games like Ressitace 3, Killzone 3, Uncharted 3, The Last Guaridian, Infamous 2,Little Big Planet 2, Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One, SOCOM 4 andTwisted Metal for 2011 jiz and 360 has Gears 3 and... erm.. kinect games.Wow, thats sad.

lol it dosent matter cause PC is b3tt3t\r

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

The only fact hereis that what you wrote is opinion ...

It's an opinion Uncharted is better looking then Gears. If you wanna argue tech then RDR certainly comes out on top over a super linear title.

-Snooze-

As has been explained ...

Uncharted "looking" better is opinion. A game being more technical would be fact, correct? Is it not logically to assume a game as vast and graphically stunning as RDR is far more demanding then a linear, scripted game?

not only that but I have many sources to back up my opinion, extremely good critical acclaim and tons of graphical and GOTY awards but since the technicality of graphics is not opinion, GOW3 on GS actually won the best technical graphics award this year over RDR and is getting graphics awards on othersites too

so I guess you helped to prove my point

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"] Interesting how you pull the "it's just your opinion" card and then in the next breath say that RDR (which has worse textures, more glitches, and fewer graphical effects such as explosions, smoke, etc.) "comes out on top" compared to UC2.KevinButlerVP

As has been explained ...

Uncharted "looking" better is opinion. A game being more technical would be fact, correct? Is it not logically to assume a game as vast and graphically stunning as RDR is far more demanding then a linear, scripted game?

not only that but I have many sources to back up my opinion, extremely good critical acclaim and tons of graphical and GOTY awards but since the technicality of graphics is not opinion, GOW3 on GS actually won the best technical graphics award this year over RDR and is getting graphics awards on othersites too

so I guess you helped to prove my point

You are indeed correct that the ps3 currently has the top 3 best looking console games technically speaking.

But to say that the xbox 360 cannot produce these visuals is nonsense.

There are 3 games coming out on the xbox 360 this year that Have better technical visuals than the current CGK, so that just throws your theory out the window.

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

As has been explained ...

Uncharted "looking" better is opinion. A game being more technical would be fact, correct? Is it not logically to assume a game as vast and graphically stunning as RDR is far more demanding then a linear, scripted game?

theuncharted34

not only that but I have many sources to back up my opinion, extremely good critical acclaim and tons of graphical and GOTY awards but since the technicality of graphics is not opinion, GOW3 on GS actually won the best technical graphics award this year over RDR and is getting graphics awards on othersites too

so I guess you helped to prove my point

You are indeed correct that the ps3 currently has the top 3 best looking console games technically speaking.

But to say that the xbox 360 cannot produce these visuals is nonsense.

There are 3 games coming out on the xbox 360 this year that Have better technical visuals than the current CGK, so that just throws your theory out the window.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] uncharted 2 technically is much more impressive than any game on the 360. RDR graphics are not anywhere near the quality of U2's

not only that but I have many sources to back up my opinion, extremely good critical acclaim and tons of graphical and GOTY awards but since the technicality of graphics is not opinion, GOW3 on GS actually won the best technical graphics award this year over RDR and is getting graphics awards on othersites too

so I guess you helped to prove my point

KevinButlerVP

You are indeed correct that the ps3 currently has the top 3 best looking console games technically speaking.

But to say that the xbox 360 cannot produce these visuals is nonsense.

There are 3 games coming out on the xbox 360 this year that Have better technical visuals than the current CGK, so that just throws your theory out the window.

I am the farthest thing from a lemming, and am not hyping anything.

It's just a fact that based on what i've seen so far, gears of war 3, crysis 2, and RAGE look better than Uncharted 2.

...Okay RAGE, doesn't really look better, it's just running at 60fps and is open world, so over all it beats UC2.

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

You are indeed correct that the ps3 currently has the top 3 best looking console games technically speaking.

But to say that the xbox 360 cannot produce these visuals is nonsense.

There are 3 games coming out on the xbox 360 this year that Have better technical visuals than the current CGK, so that just throws your theory out the window.

theuncharted34

I am the farthest thing from a lemming, and am not hyping anything.

It's just a fact that based on what i've seen so far, gears of war 3, crysis 2, and RAGE look better than Uncharted 2.

...Okay RAGE, doesn't really look better, it's just running at 60fps and is open world, so over all it beats UC2.

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

You are indeed correct that the ps3 currently has the top 3 best looking console games technically speaking.

But to say that the xbox 360 cannot produce these visuals is nonsense.

There are 3 games coming out on the xbox 360 this year that Have better technical visuals than the current CGK, so that just throws your theory out the window.

theuncharted34

I am the farthest thing from a lemming, and am not hyping anything.

It's just a fact that based on what i've seen so far, gears of war 3, crysis 2, and RAGE look better than Uncharted 2.

...Okay RAGE, doesn't really look better, it's just running at 60fps and is open world, so over all it beats UC2.