Nvidia GTX 780 outperforms Titan * Next-gen Consoles are so DEAD

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]Nobody makes games for the PC anymore except Valve and they still use the 9 years old Source Engine. So who cares about $650 graphics cards if the games are designed for last-gen hardware? The days of beefy graphics cards winning the war are over. Only good games can win this battle with the next-gen, and so far the consoles are creaming us. Valve is too busy making trading cards on Steam, no chance we will see Half-Life 3 anytime soon.avshaman

This is what I have been saying. I like gaming on PCs and i have been gaming on them regularly since ps1 generation and sporatically before then, but nobody really makes big, graphically advanced games for the Pc exclusively any more. Basically we play cleaner, faster running multiplats and low-budget indie games, RTSs and MMORPGS.

PS4 is going to change the whole landscape. It is such a leap ahead of the Xbox One that multiplats are going to be quite polished already on the PS4, and PC will really only be if you want to go really big and game on multiple monitors, or super high res monitors. But past 1080p it really begins to reach a point of diminishing returns for me. As long as  a game has a fairly solid frame rate and decent anti-aliasing I am golden.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]Do you realize that PS4 just doesn´t have many games confirmed ? That at launch it will have probably 9 games, only 2 of them exclusives ? That it will have to sell at least 10M units to be considered viable for exclusives, otherwise WiiU scenario will be repeated?

PC is the safest bet next gen.

tormentos

Could you list those games ? I mean launch games, not the ones that gonna be released during 2014. 

...for more than a single consoleMonsieurX

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]Nobody makes games for the PC anymore except Valve and they still use the 9 years old Source Engine. So who cares about $650 graphics cards if the games are designed for last-gen hardware? The days of beefy graphics cards winning the war are over. Only good games can win this battle with the next-gen, and so far the consoles are creaming us. Valve is too busy making trading cards on Steam, no chance we will see Half-Life 3 anytime soon.avshaman

This is what I have been saying. I like gaming on PCs and i have been gaming on them regularly since ps1 generation and sporatically before then, but nobody really makes big, graphically advanced games for the Pc exclusively any more. Basically we play cleaner, faster running multiplats and low-budget indie games, RTSs and MMORPGS.

PS4 is going to change the whole landscape. It is such a leap ahead of the Xbox One that multiplats are going to be quite polished already on the PS4, and PC will really only be if you want to go really big and game on multiple monitors, or super high res monitors. But past 1080p it really begins to reach a point of diminishing returns for me. As long as  a game has a fairly solid frame rate and decent anti-aliasing I am golden.

Star Citizen, Rome 2 Total War, Company of Heroes, Shadow Warrior

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="kipsta77"]

Moral of the story: When you try to compare ps4 hardware to a midrange pc's, its a joke.

Consoles aim for 720p/60fps or 1080p/30fps, 90% of PC gamers ARE NOT satisfied with that.

kipsta77

Steam stats isn't worthy info. Not everyone takes the survey as it is optional. I didn't.

Many PC gamers are gaming at 1440p or even 1600p.

Just admit you can't win. I'll be here all day.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Every one of those cost more than a single next gen console, no doubt. 

Ginosaji

That's true. I think for me it is just a question of how much I am going to play on PC and how much on console. I think I will end up playing more on PS4 this generation, but I will still have my PC and will probably upgrade it at some point.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] The 780GTX alone is $649 dollars that is probably $250 more than a PS4 will cost nice try..:lol:tormentos

Because I need to buy a 780gtx.., grasping for straws ftw!

Why is it the point ? If it was the point why even sell lower end PC hardware?

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]If it was a difference between 30fps and 18 fps then 12fps would be night and day.

So it depends on the total fps and not just the gap.

Oh and give me that crystal ball which seems to tell you the exact power of the PS4.

tormentos

Y U SO MAYED?

Oh well, it's Tormentos, what do we expect haha.

People don't buy consoles solely based on power, only hermits think we do.TheWalkingGhost

and yet there are so many comparisons of current and next gen console specs

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Every one of those cost more than a single next gen console, no doubt. 

jhonMalcovich

Who cares !!! 1600p resolutions !!! Yeeeh

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]People don't buy consoles solely based on power, only hermits think we do.TheWalkingGhost

and yet there are so many comparisons of current and next gen console specs

obviously people on system wars care about it

what are you saying?consoletroll

what are you saying?

you don't need a $649 GPU to have a computer that beats next-gen consoles. 300 will do.  Soon 250 maybe even 200.

For $650 it better have awesome performance given that is guaranteed to be at least 1.5x what either console costs. If the 8800GTS didn't kill the PS3/360 at $300 then the GTX 780 sure as heck won't at more than twice that price.

TOMB RAIDER on my evga 670ftw - steppin up to the 780!!!! consoletroll

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="lostrib"]but PC gaming has the most games, and the most highly rated games. Sounds like a safe betlostrib

which part of "the most highly rated games" didn't you understand? As in, the greatest number of high rated games.

The peasants are so desperate these days, they have really only 2 legit arguments against PC gaming but somehow they try to turn their opinion of PC and console games into universal facts

Picked it up like 5 weeks ago and its a 2gig card( not a 4g like yours x2 :) ). With the evga step up i can fork over $280 for the 780. Hell I waited like 8 months for a price drop on the 670/680 and they actually got more expensive. Id just rather have a single card and have more ram/higher bandwidth. Plus the card looks coolconsoletroll

lots of butthurt from console peasants, nice:)

[QUOTE="2ndWonder"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

I'd rather get a  GTX 660 which is $200-$260, spending over $350 let alone $649 for a GC is just too pricey.

Ballroompirate

The "high end" 660's are around $260, the normal 660's are $200, I'd look into other GC's brands  but I'm a Nvidia user :P

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

Obsolete in a couple of months.

Bebi_vegeta

Define obsolete ?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]Do you realize that PS4 just doesn´t have many games confirmed ? That at launch it will have probably 9 games, only 2 of them exclusives ? That it will have to sell at least 10M units to be considered viable for exclusives, otherwise WiiU scenario will be repeated?

PC is the safest bet next gen.

jhonMalcovich

Could you list those games ? I mean launch games, not the ones that gonna be released during 2014. 

There are only 11 launch games confirmed, only 2 of them exclusives. Not very impressive list knowing that I gonna play the same games but at 1440p resolutions:cool:. And I am gonna play AAA PC exclusives such as Rome 2, Company of Heroes 2, Shadow Warrior, Wastleland 2, and Star Citizen in 2014.

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag

Battlefield 4 (720p res)

Call of Duty: Ghosts

FIFA 14

Infamous: Second Son (exclusive)

Killzone: Shadow Fall (exclusive)

Madden NFL 25

NBA Live 14

Need for Speed: Rivals

Watch Dogs

Wolfenstein: The New Order

if you use the word fact, you should have facts to back it up.  lostrib

While Crytek targets a 30FPS update on both consoles, in practice neither system manages to achieve anywhere near that level of smoothness on a sustained basis. In some like-for-like scenes with short draw distances and few effects on-screen, both versions manage 30-32FPS for short periods of time but the engine fails to sustain this for long. Instead we see general frame-rates hovering between the 24-28FPS mark

Steam stats isn't worthy info. Not everyone takes the survey as it is optional. I didn't.

Many PC gamers are gaming at 1440p or even 1600p.

Just admit you can't win. I'll be here all day.

kipsta77

[QUOTE="lostrib"]if you use the word fact, you should have facts to back it up.  tormentos

While Crytek targets a 30FPS update on both consoles, in practice neither system manages to achieve anywhere near that level of smoothness on a sustained basis. In some like-for-like scenes with short draw distances and few effects on-screen, both versions manage 30-32FPS for short periods of time but the engine fails to sustain this for long. Instead we see general frame-rates hovering between the 24-28FPS mark

And if we set the resolution at 720p and low details, which is the console quality, will it sink more ? :roll: Besides I know no console that can run Crysis at 1080p on very high settings :P

But here you have, ladies and gentlemen, according to Tormentos consoles are better than PC because they perform below 30 fps. That logic :shock: Damn.

And if we set the resolution at 720p and low details, which is the console quality, will it sink more ? :roll:jhonMalcovich

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]And if we set the resolution at 720p and low details, which is the console quality, will it sink more ? :roll:tormentos

You know that we don´t have to buy a new PC to play at better resolutions, right. Many will just change their GPUs. That will cost them arround 200-500$. Much cheeper than buying a next gen consoles with a small list of games. And 780GTX will be much cheeper by Christmass. ATI´s 9000 series will be released as well. PC doesn´t require frequent updates any more.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]And if we set the resolution at 720p and low details, which is the console quality, will it sink more ? :roll:tormentos

Didn't have unified shaders....

what console exclusive even mattersJandurin

Pretty much ALL of them.

The gaming industry depends on the consoles.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]And if we set the resolution at 720p and low details, which is the console quality, will it sink more ? :roll:tormentos

How is it paying $10-20 more for games since ever? How is it not having offers like Bioschock 1+2 bundle for 3euros ? How is it for xbox owners paying to play online ? How is having to buy DLC instead either getting it for free ( some companies offer free DLC for pc ) or getting a Mod ?

How is it buying a new 500-600 console and only getting 1-2 free games yet you buy a 200-300 gpu and you get 4 free games ?

I'd rather upgrade my Cpu/mobo once and my GPU once ( about $500 all 3components ) since 2006 and be able to play games at better graphics and with mods rather spending hundreds more for game prices and even playing online

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]And if we set the resolution at 720p and low details, which is the console quality, will it sink more ? :roll:tormentos

yes but the game looks like utter shit on consoles

[QUOTE="lostrib"]if you use the word fact, you should have facts to back it up.  tormentos

While Crytek targets a 30FPS update on both consoles, in practice neither system manages to achieve anywhere near that level of smoothness on a sustained basis. In some like-for-like scenes with short draw distances and few effects on-screen, both versions manage 30-32FPS for short periods of time but the engine fails to sustain this for long. Instead we see general frame-rates hovering between the 24-28FPS mark

But it stays above 30, so no big deal. Unlike the console version, which will drop into unplayable frame rates

The peasants are so desperate these days, they have really only 2 legit arguments against PC gaming but somehow they try to turn their opinion of PC and console games into universal factsNoodleFighter

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]The peasants are so desperate these days, they have really only 2 legit arguments against PC gaming but somehow they try to turn their opinion of PC and console games into universal factsdveight88

$100K a year is bad? Lol

You are such a moron

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]The peasants are so desperate these days, they have really only 2 legit arguments against PC gaming but somehow they try to turn their opinion of PC and console games into universal factsdveight88

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]And if we set the resolution at 720p and low details, which is the console quality, will it sink more ? :roll:tormentos

and a 8800GTX that is older than the ps3 play games with BETTER graphics and performance...

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]And if we set the resolution at 720p and low details, which is the console quality, will it sink more ? :roll:MK-Professor

and a 8800GTX that is older than the ps3 play games with BETTER graphics and performance...

The 880 GTX that costed 699$ at launch...?

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]The peasants are so desperate these days, they have really only 2 legit arguments against PC gaming but somehow they try to turn their opinion of PC and console games into universal factsdveight88

Translation: I am a proud DERP. I rejoice about my ignorance and general lack of learning skills.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Every one of those cost more than a single next gen console, no doubt. 

jhonMalcovich

Who cares !!! 1600p resolutions !!! Yeeeh