Official ANY CONSOLE Price Cut and New 80gb sku Discussion Thread

lol, the subject line of this thread changes almost twice a day. If the X360 cuts it's price you have to post it here now? What if X360 comes out with a new sku, will I have to post it here too?darthogre

:shock: http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-50518.aspx

Oh LOL, I didn't see this thread.  Well anyways, I might as well post my theory here as it might get locked later.

If this price-drop is in fact permanent and official, then I just thought of something... remember when there started being rumors of the 80 GB PS3 coming to the US, and how they'd likely lower the 60 GB price to the price of the old 20 GB price?  For some reason, Sony went quiet on this issue shortly after.  Nobody really knew why.

Now, fast-forward to now, a few days before E3.  ... Could this be one of the things they've been saving up for E3?  It would certainly make sense, and the timing of this price-drop would certainly support this theory.  So what I'm saying is maybe Sony's doing this price-drop so that they'll replace the top-of-the-line model with the 80 GB one.

However, while this would certainly be interesting, it also makes me slightly worried... for quite a few people, the $500 20 GB model looked quite tempting.  Unfortunately for the ones who didn't spring for it fast enough, Sony ceased to sell it, which many people deemed a stupid move on their part.  Well, what I'm wondering is... could Sony make the same mistake with the 60 GB one?  And yes, this would most definitely be a mistake; people have been waiting for a sizeable price-drop for ages, and if they did the same thing with the 60 GB model as they did with the 20 GB model while leaving the 80 GB model at $600... that would piss a lot of prospective buyers off, including me, as it would act as a barrier  for more would-be PS3 gamers to join the fold.

So... what do you think of this?  Could this be the real reason why they're lowering the price?a_ratchet_fan

That's good . More competition. What if the 360 will get a price drop ? Or even the Wii ?turgore

The Wii is destroying the other two consoles with basically no games, so it definitely does not need a price drop. Microsoft,ontheotherhand, needs to drop the 360's price if they don't want to fall behind the Wii.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]lol, the subject line of this thread changes almost twice a day. If the X360 cuts it's price you have to post it here now? What if X360 comes out with a new sku, will I have to post it here too?Unforgiven2870

:shock: http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-50518.aspx

theres no way they will enter the handheld market when the gen is more than half way though. im 99% sure they will enter but round about e3 2009 time not now.

You don't have to get ps3 brand hdmi cables.I think thats where most people get confused.they think it has to be sony branded hdmi cable's when they really don't have to have that particular branded cable?*correct me if im wrong*Same goes for headsets as well.Unforgiven2870

Of course not. You don't have to get Microsoft brand AV cables either. But the point is, you have to go out and buy an extra cable if you want to have your $500 or $600 PS3 in HD. And THAT is ridiculous. Retailers mark up their cables a ridiculous amount. You can get cheap HDMI cables, but it usually involves finding them online. I saw one HDMI cord for $70 at best buy, and I'm sure a lot of people who don't know what their buying will get taken for a ride and spend way too much on them.

For those of you who are suggesting why Sony didn't just bring back the 20GB at $399. Well, if Sony's already losing a ton of money even at $599 for the 60 GB, as of right now, wouldn't it be horrible to have it at $399 right now?Blue-Sphere

Yes, it would be horrible--for Sony's bottom line. Just as MS makes its biggest profit off the Elite, so Sony was making its worst loss on the 20GB SKU. I think it's interesting that both Sony and MS have introduced 'scaled-up' versions of their base hardware that offer worse dollar value than the units that everybody actually wants. Seriously--$100 for 20GB? It's like Sony is trying to take notes from MS. For everybody who mocked the Elite, the $80GB PS3 SKU is like a slap in the mouth. Does the unit have even MORE features? Or is it just another 20GB? With the PS3's ability to use generic hard drives, how could this possibly make sense?

All Sony did is increase the HDD on the 20GB PS3 to 60GB and increase the 60GB to 80GB.

More smoke and mirrors by Sony.

Don't buy it so they can really drop the price.

They still have 2 skus at the same price points as before , $499 and $599 , nothing changed.

[QUOTE="turgore"]That's good . More competition. What if the 360 will get a price drop ? Or even the Wii ?joeblak

The Wii is destroying the other two consoles with basically no games, so it definitely does not need a price drop. Microsoft,ontheotherhand, needs to drop the 360's price if they don't want to fall behind the Wii.

Yup they should have dropped the price awhile ago.

All Sony did is increase the HDD on the 20GB PS3 to 60GB and increase the 60GB to 80GB.

More smoke and mirrors by Sony.

Don't buy it so they can really drop the price.

They still have 2 skus at the same price points as before , $499 and $599 , nothing changed.

-Ninja_Dog-

oh that's what they did. i didn't know the 20gb came with built in wifi, silver trim and card readers... :roll: thanks for clearing that up.

Analyst predicts 360 Price Cut announcement tomorrow

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6299&Itemid=2

Australia is the first to make the list of PAL regions not getting a price cut. PAL regions shafted as usual.Marka1700

europe and pal price cut is said to be announced on thursday.

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

All Sony did is increase the HDD on the 20GB PS3 to 60GB and increase the 60GB to 80GB.

More smoke and mirrors by Sony.

Don't buy it so they can really drop the price.

They still have 2 skus at the same price points as before , $499 and $599 , nothing changed.

-Renegade

oh that's what they did. i didn't know the 20gb came with built in wifi, silver trim and card readers... :roll: thanks for clearing that up.

Still doesn't change the price points.That stuff you speak about is probably cheaper now, alot cheaper....silver trim pfft

wifi overrated in consoles , card readers ? whoi gives a crap about that !

Same price points, just cause Sony was overcharging in the first place doesn't make it right.

Dont you see whats happening here ? Its alll a scam !

Unless of course you want a Blu Ray player than its a good deal. Do you want a stinking BluRay player or do you want a game console with some worth while games?

Time to get my PS3, i'll build up my library for winter game conditioning until the 2nd batch of games come out.tekmojo

I will wait till 2009 when its like 250 and redesigned.

[QUOTE="tekmojo"]Time to get my PS3, i'll build up my library for winter game conditioning until the 2nd batch of games come out.-Ninja_Dog-

I will wait till 2009 when its like 250 and redesigned.

:(

"We're not surprised by Sony's reaction to the market," a Microsoft representative told us. "We'll see if it makes a difference. It's interesting to note that they've significantly dropped their price in the first eight months while Xbox 360 has continued to sell well at our launch price for more than a year and a half. We're right where we want to be right now -- it's all about choice and bringing the best games and entertainment to homes around the world."

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/802/802394p1.html

if this is anything to go buy ms won't be dropping the price on 360 anytime soon. well at least at e3 anyway.

First off, Sony's price drop isn't going to change the fortunes much. The general reaction is "about time", not "HOLY **** WHAT A DEAL". It's not exciting new, it's expected news giving their poor market position.

Second, MS doesn't need to drop the price more than $50. They could have done it 7 months ago but they knew they didn't have to. Why drop the price when you're still beating Sony? They could sit there making extra money waiting for Sony to move first and then respond accordingly. Microsoft calculated this move months in advance and Sony walked right into it.

Everyone knows Sony's move was desperation and Microsoft's was simply something that was coming anyway.

Here's what I think MS should do, (not what I think they ARE going to do):

Core: discontinued
Premium: $299
Elite: $399

Wireless networking adapter: $50
HD-DVD Drive: $150

This way a fully packed 360 will = $600, same price as a high end PS3 with an extra 40 GB, but you'll have the option of forgoing the extras.

First off, Sony's price drop isn't going to change the fortunes much. The general reaction is "about time", not "HOLY **** WHAT A DEAL". It's not exciting new, it's expected news giving their poor market position.

Second, MS doesn't need to drop the price more than $50. They could have done it 7 months ago but they knew they didn't have to. Why drop the price when you're still beating Sony? They could sit there making extra money waiting for Sony to move first and then respond accordingly. Microsoft calculated this move months in advance and Sony walked right into it.

Everyone knows Sony's move was desperation and Microsoft's was simply something that was coming anyway.

Here's what I think MS should do, (not what I think they ARE going to do):

Core: discontinued
Premium: $299
Elite: $399

Wireless networking adapter: $50
HD-DVD Drive: $150

This way a fully packed 360 will = $600, same price as a high end PS3 with an extra 40 GB, but you'll have the option of forgoing the extras.

KAS3Y_JAM3Z

i think its safe to say right now that u really dont need hd dvd since for one its only for movies on the 360. and two bluray is probably gonna win the format wars.

A 400 $ PS3 would be nice, sucks how the 20 GB was discontinued.

Or is it just another 20GB? With the PS3's ability to use generic hard drives, how could this possibly make sense?WeeWeeJumbo

Congrats to those who waited until now to get one. Since last November I've been playing all the games you guys said were not on the PS3.Plus all thePS2 games that I had not finished yet.

My point is that PS3 does't have the biggest HD gaming library but it does have the biggest library by default, due to its ability to play all the PS2 and PS1 games.

[QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"][QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

A good move by Sony, but it isn't going to do much to stop the bleeding. The biggest issue is the lack of games to play on that $5-$600 system. Dropping it $100 doesn't make it much more appealing at all.

I'm sure Microsoft is breathing a huge sigh of relief that the cheapest PS3 is still more expensive than the Elite. I don't see Microsoft needing to drop prices for a while. They've got the better games and the better price range.

Fignewton50

I really doubt Microsoft is just going to wait around for Sony to catch up in sales. I think a price drop is coming for the 360 as well, a $100 price drop for the 360 would put it closer to being able to compete with the Wii. Microsoft has the best games, but the Wii still has that "fad" appeal going on, everyone wants one.

While Microsoft is "waiting around" they are killing Sony in sales. They've got the games and the better price, and it will stay that way for a long time. It's going to take a lot more than a $100 price drop to help Sony overtake the 360.

I'm not sure how concerned Microsoft is with the Wii. They've got the Core package which is only $50 more and are taking a much different approach to gaming with the online and HD capabilities.

Both Sony and Microsoft are very concerned with the Wii, especially since it's getting most of the media's attention, and therefore, most of the sales. MS needs to drop thier prices as well, or risk getting behind the competition. They still have a price advantage, but not as big as an advantage now.

Blu Ray will play a larger factor as the HD era approches. By next year, most households will own an HDTV, so Sony's decision could boost sales, MS has to stay ahead and watch out for these sort of things.

Congrats to those who waited until now to get one. Since last November I've been playing all the games you guys said were not on the PS3.Plus all thePS2 games that I had not finished yet.

My point is that PS3 does't have the biggest HD gaming library but it does have the biggest library by default, due to its ability to play all the PS2 and PS1 games.

De_Bears

You do know that the Wii has this little feature called Virtual Console, right?

How much are they losing on each of them now? like 250?

It was a necessary action, mabye we'll see some increased sales.

PlayStation is back

And to the Wii60's claiming ownage yesterday because the rise in sales dropped from 2,800+% to 2,400+% within an hour, shame on you, shame on you...

It's cool they finally dropped the price on the 60gig. Good move by Sony. But the 80gig is just a huge mistake. There isn't enough different to warrant it's existence. If they had added a 2nd HDMI or something crazy, then maybe. But anyone who goes out to buy a 80gig is just going to have to admit that they paid $100 for Motorstorm.

All Sony did is increase the HDD on the 20GB PS3 to 60GB and increase the 60GB to 80GB.

More smoke and mirrors by Sony.

Don't buy it so they can really drop the price.

They still have 2 skus at the same price points as before , $499 and $599 , nothing changed.

-Ninja_Dog-

Quoted For Truth. Most of the consumers didn't even know the difference between the 20 gig and 60 gig PS3. All they knew that there were a $499 and a $599 PS3. And most of them were turned off by the price of a gaming console. That's why the PS3 is dead last. So in essence this is really not a price drop its more like a Hard Drive upgrade. People will still go to a store and see the $499 and $599 price tag and this time between those two there isn't too much of a difference except price. Horrible move by Sony. The 80 gig is more useless than the 20 gig.

Before you say it, I know this logic is flawed but..

Why don't they release a $400 20 gig ps3?

Before you say it, I know this logic is flawed but..

Why don't they release a $400 20 gig ps3?

agentfred

Thats what I've been saying. PS3 at $400 would be a kiler deal.

A good move by Sony, but it isn't going to do much to stop the bleeding. The biggest issue is the lack of games to play on that $5-$600 system. Dropping it $100 doesn't make it much more appealing at all.

I'm sure Microsoft is breathing a huge sigh of relief that the cheapest PS3 is still more expensive than the Elite. I don't see Microsoft needing to drop prices for a while. They've got the better games and the better price range.

Fignewton50

Games are less than a month away buddy.

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

A good move by Sony, but it isn't going to do much to stop the bleeding. The biggest issue is the lack of games to play on that $5-$600 system. Dropping it $100 doesn't make it much more appealing at all.

I'm sure Microsoft is breathing a huge sigh of relief that the cheapest PS3 is still more expensive than the Elite. I don't see Microsoft needing to drop prices for a while. They've got the better games and the better price range.

CyanX73

Games are less than a month away buddy.

What is going to come out in 1 month that is going to help save the PS3? Name 1 remotely decent exclusive that will come out in less than a month. Games like Lair and Heavenly Sword have potential. But I'm going to wait until some reviews come out before I call them "Saviors of the PS3". Even if they turn out to be good, I don't see them selling more than a few consoles here and there.