Official Kinect Discussion Thread

From the Engadget Show. Thanks gaf.

Only tracks the body parts of two people pretty much confirmed:

Third person in frame is registered in the same way as a table.

And has issues with tracking black/dark colours, which is probably why it glitched out with iCarly's black dress:

shinrabanshou

What about people who happen to be black?

Respawn-d

Last year there was discussion that the NATAL (now Kinect) doesn't work as well with dark skin tones. How that's going to work in the final product, I don't know. I'm actually quite curious to see how Kinect works in the typical living room situation over controlled testing. That's why I posted the VGcats comic, it's accurate to one of the problems that faces Kinect: the "reality" versus the "demo / marketing".

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

From the Engadget Show. Thanks gaf.

Only tracks the body parts of two people pretty much confirmed:

Third person in frame is registered in the same way as a table.

And has issues with tracking black/dark colours, which is probably why it glitched out with iCarly's black dress:

Respawn-d

Kinect is racist

:lol: I just showed one of my friends a vid of people playing on Kinect, he doesnt play games at all, he isn't into games, but his reaction surprised me, he was so amazed, so impressed, I still cant believe how amazed he was, he kept asking me "..come on, where's the controller, how do they do that without a controller?" he couldn't stop grinning as he was watching the vids, I honestly didn't expect Kinect to have such a strong impact on some non gamers, ...MS might be on to something ....thought I'd share that with you guys,

:lol: I just showed one of my friends a vid of people playing on Kinect, he doesnt play games at all, he isn't into games, but his reaction surprised me, he was so amazed, so impressed, I still cant believe how amazed he was, he kept asking me "..come on, where's the controller, how do they do that without a controller?" he couldn't stop grinning as he was watching the vids, I honestly didn't expect Kinect to have such a strong impact on some non gamers, ...MS might be on to something ....thought I'd share that with you guys,

ethanradd

Lol, I can imagine. :P It is definitely the most impressive out of Wiimote and Move. It's almost like Minority Report, in a way. :)

I'm still not convinced though. Complex games require complex controls, well, complexier then just waving your arms. I can't see Kinect ever appealling to the core audience. Unless they allow you to use the controller while using Kinect to enable headtracking or something.

[QUOTE="ethanradd"]

:lol: I just showed one of my friends a vid of people playing on Kinect, he doesnt play games at all, he isn't into games, but his reaction surprised me, he was so amazed, so impressed, I still cant believe how amazed he was, he kept asking me "..come on, where's the controller, how do they do that without a controller?" he couldn't stop grinning as he was watching the vids, I honestly didn't expect Kinect to have such a strong impact on some non gamers, ...MS might be on to something ....thought I'd share that with you guys,

Lol, I can imagine. :P It is definitely the most impressive out of Wiimote and Move. It's almost like Minority Report, in a way. :)

I'm still not convinced though. Complex games require complex controls, well, complexier then just waving your arms. I can't see Kinect ever appealling to the core audience. Unless they allow you to use the controller while using Kinect to enable headtracking or something.

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[QUOTE="ethanradd"]

:lol: I just showed one of my friends a vid of people playing on Kinect, he doesnt play games at all, he isn't into games, but his reaction surprised me, he was so amazed, so impressed, I still cant believe how amazed he was, he kept asking me "..come on, where's the controller, how do they do that without a controller?" he couldn't stop grinning as he was watching the vids, I honestly didn't expect Kinect to have such a strong impact on some non gamers, ...MS might be on to something ....thought I'd share that with you guys,

mayceV

Lol, I can imagine. :P It is definitely the most impressive out of Wiimote and Move. It's almost like Minority Report, in a way. :)

I'm still not convinced though. Complex games require complex controls, well, complexier then just waving your arms. I can't see Kinect ever appealling to the core audience. Unless they allow you to use the controller while using Kinect to enable headtracking or something.

[QUOTE="Respawn-d"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

From the Engadget Show. Thanks gaf.

Only tracks the body parts of two people pretty much confirmed:

Third person in frame is registered in the same way as a table.

And has issues with tracking black/dark colours, which is probably why it glitched out with iCarly's black dress:

Whatuptho

Kinect is racist

Kinect can't be racist....It too is black ;)

I told myself I wouldn't do this, but how COULD you, Microsoft!? You had a great thing going for you, an even trade off with the Wii! The Wii had motion controls and you had HD graphics, why do you have to cross over into a place you were never meant to be? I didn't want to say it, but damn it I had to. What, did you come up with the Kinect to distract the public from the mediocre console you sold to America?

Is your Sig in regulation?

Is your Sig in regulation?

siddhu33

VGcats today got a pretty decent jab at Kinect (a little PG-13 so click at your discretion)

Frankly, they nailed it. Microsoft is looking more and more out of touch. Sony went into this thing knowing they were copying Nintendo, they made some jabs and positioned themselves as sort of "Wii + PS3 Graphics + more Hardcore Oriented". Dumb but aware? Microsoft is going into this thing looking dumb AND unaware. Peter Molyneux running his mouth definitely won't help, as casuals have no idea who he is, and hardcore gamers are getting fed up with his nonsense.

In any case... well done VG, as usual.

subrosian

I told myself I wouldn't do this, but how COULD you, Microsoft!? You had a great thing going for you, an even trade off with the Wii! The Wii had motion controls and you had HD graphics, why do you have to cross over into a place you were never meant to be? I didn't want to say it, but damn it I had to. What, did you come up with the Kinect to distract the public from the mediocre console you sold to America?

amidreaming

I have to agree with the both of you. I personally think that Kinect is a huge waste of an investment (money) & time when they could've used those things for far better use such as making their exclusive games look on par with PS3's exclusives in terms of graphics, more 1st party core games, & making XBox Live even better than before.

I don't even know what people see in this thing.

Personally I can't wait to try out Kinect. Controlling games with your body is genius. There is nothing this thing can't do.wii-station

uhm, you know you cant even use it while sitting down. hahahahaha.

:lol: I just showed one of my friends a vid of people playing on Kinect, he doesnt play games at all, he isn't into games, but his reaction surprised me, he was so amazed, so impressed, I still cant believe how amazed he was, he kept asking me "..come on, where's the controller, how do they do that without a controller?" he couldn't stop grinning as he was watching the vids, I honestly didn't expect Kinect to have such a strong impact on some non gamers, ...MS might be on to something ....thought I'd share that with you guys,

ethanradd

[QUOTE="ethanradd"]

:lol: I just showed one of my friends a vid of people playing on Kinect, he doesnt play games at all, he isn't into games, but his reaction surprised me, he was so amazed, so impressed, I still cant believe how amazed he was, he kept asking me "..come on, where's the controller, how do they do that without a controller?" he couldn't stop grinning as he was watching the vids, I honestly didn't expect Kinect to have such a strong impact on some non gamers, ...MS might be on to something ....thought I'd share that with you guys,

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="ethanradd"]

:lol: I just showed one of my friends a vid of people playing on Kinect, he doesnt play games at all, he isn't into games, but his reaction surprised me, he was so amazed, so impressed, I still cant believe how amazed he was, he kept asking me "..come on, where's the controller, how do they do that without a controller?" he couldn't stop grinning as he was watching the vids, I honestly didn't expect Kinect to have such a strong impact on some non gamers, ...MS might be on to something ....thought I'd share that with you guys,

Mestitia

that's what happens when people are not fanboys

that's what happens when people are not fanboysohthemanatee

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]that's what happens when people are not fanboyssubrosian

Dude, you don't need to write all of that. I already know you love Kinect :)

I install Fios and im the cutting edge of technology everyday. Kinect is going to be a hit, its something people will talk about. The locked topic will remain locked because right now thats what everyone wants to talk about and it has so many topics. One topic is in 5 years you wont have a remote for any of your electronics, you will just talk to it.

I install Fios and im the cutting edge of technology everyday. Kinect is going to be a hit, its something people will talk about. The locked topic will remain locked because right now thats what everyone wants to talk about and it has so many topics. One topic is in 5 years you wont have a remote for any of your electronics, you will just talk to it.

ProjectNatalFan

This kind of pictures will be very useful with Kinect related topics/posts :D

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

VGcats today got a pretty decent jab at Kinect (a little PG-13 so click at your discretion)

Frankly, they nailed it. Microsoft is looking more and more out of touch. Sony went into this thing knowing they were copying Nintendo, they made some jabs and positioned themselves as sort of "Wii + PS3 Graphics + more Hardcore Oriented". Dumb but aware? Microsoft is going into this thing looking dumb AND unaware. Peter Molyneux running his mouth definitely won't help, as casuals have no idea who he is, and hardcore gamers are getting fed up with his nonsense.

In any case... well done VG, as usual.

garland51

I told myself I wouldn't do this, but how COULD you, Microsoft!? You had a great thing going for you, an even trade off with the Wii! The Wii had motion controls and you had HD graphics, why do you have to cross over into a place you were never meant to be? I didn't want to say it, but damn it I had to. What, did you come up with the Kinect to distract the public from the mediocre console you sold to America?

amidreaming

I have to agree with the both of you. I personally think that Kinect is a huge waste of an investment (money) & time when they could've used those things for far better use such as making their exclusive games look on par with PS3's exclusives in terms of graphics, more 1st party core games, & making XBox Live even better than before.

I don't even know what people see in this thing.

Wow, you guys are just amazed me. The negative comments here sounded exactly like those comments back in 2000 when MS first introduced the Original Xbox. I still remember that a lot of the naysayers on the gaming forums, gaming journalists, news networks...ect all proclaimed that:

- MS is a software company and didn't know S#$* about hardware.

- Xbox would be DOA.

- Xbox would be the next DreamCast.

- Very one hated Bill Gates and nobody would buy the Xbox.

- Even Sony said they didn't care about MS making a gaming machine because it would fail hard.

Then look at what we have on these forums now. Just the same hatred comments towards Kinect again. I was wondering why some of you love playing games for fun but have a big desire to reject something that others may enjoy playing with just for fun too. You guys are so selfish that's all I can see. Oh my gosh...

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="amidreaming"]

I told myself I wouldn't do this, but how COULD you, Microsoft!? You had a great thing going for you, an even trade off with the Wii! The Wii had motion controls and you had HD graphics, why do you have to cross over into a place you were never meant to be? I didn't want to say it, but damn it I had to. What, did you come up with the Kinect to distract the public from the mediocre console you sold to America?

TheXFiles88

I have to agree with the both of you. I personally think that Kinect is a huge waste of an investment (money) & time when they could've used those things for far better use such as making their exclusive games look on par with PS3's exclusives in terms of graphics, more 1st party core games, & making XBox Live even better than before.

I don't even know what people see in this thing.

Wow, you guys are just amazed me. The negative comments here sounded exactly like those comments back in 2000 when MS first introduced the Original Xbox. I still remember that a lot of the naysayers on the gaming forums, gaming journalists, news networks...ect all proclaimed that:

- MS is a software company and didn't know S#$* about hardware.

- Xbox would be DOA.

- Xbox would be the next DreamCast.

- Very one hated Bill Gates and nobody would buy the Xbox.

- Even Sony said they didn't care about MS making a gaming machine because it would fail hard.

Then look at what we have on these forums now. Just the same hatred comments towards Kinect again. I was wondering why some of you love playing games for fun but have a big desire to reject something that others may enjoy playing with just for fun too. You guys are so selfish that's all I can see. Oh my gosh...

i cant wait when Kinect comes out, lots of crow to be eaten and they know it, its in the back of their mind that Kinect is gonna be a success and they are deathly DEAthLY Afraid of it, and then they will want it, cant wait!!!

- Xbox would be the next DreamCast.

TheXFiles88

Kinect could be the next 32X, your crystal ball doesn't work any better than mine i.e. not at all.

i cant wait when Kinect comes out, lots of crow to be eaten and they know it, its in the back of their mind that Kinect is gonna be a success and they are deathly DEAthLY Afraid of it, and then they will want it, cant wait!!!ProjectNatalFan

i actually thought Kinect would be a GREAT invention and would definetel be a must buy for both casuals and core gamers. but after seeing the natal press conference i truly was not impressed. Even with the games they said they annouced that would come out this holiday season were ALL casual. and a device thats worth $150 and that i have to have a 360 to play on seems a lot. And although some may have been i really disliked the idea of having star wars on natal. I mean COME ON even when you were a kid you would at least hold something maybe even a stick to pretend like you had a light-saber. Natal was a HUGE disspointment for me.

[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

- Xbox would be the next DreamCast.

shinrabanshou

Kinect could be the next 32X, your crystal ball doesn't work any better than mine i.e. not at all.

But was it the next Dreamcast? And your point? You think getting rip off competition is good for the gamers and the gaming industry? Do you really think Sony, MS or Nintendo will listen to you more, care more about you if neither of them controls the whole market? Sometimes I just scratch my head to find the answer for something you guys just posted on these forums. I really wonder you guys play video games for. Is it for fun or just to be territorial or System War warriors? Why do we have to limit ourselves and deny others to have the same gaming experiences like all gamers do? Why do we need to condemn one's console and hope it would fail and only embrace the only system you like? I am afraid gaming isn't like it used to be anymore.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

- Xbox would be the next DreamCast.

TheXFiles88

Kinect could be the next 32X, your crystal ball doesn't work any better than mine i.e. not at all.

But was it the next Dreamcast? And your point? You think getting rip off competition is good for the gamers and the gaming industry? Do you really think Sony, MS or Nintendo will listen to you more, care more about you if neither of them controls the whole market? Sometimes I just scratch my head to find the answer for something you guys just posted on these forums. I really wonder you guys play video games for. Is it for fun or just to be territorial or System War warriors? Why do we have to limit ourselves and deny others to have the same gaming experiences like all gamers do? Why do we need to condemn one's console and hope it would fail and only embrace the only system you like? I am afraid gaming isn't like it used to be anymore.

Hoping your competitor fails is not a business strategy.

None of the companies care about you or I. They care about profit margins, bottom lines and share prices.

If people want to buy Kinect, more power to them.

But I don't expect a mid-cycle peripheral to make much of an impact, especially based on the faulty premises that a) motion control was all that was necessary to attract non-traditional gamers into buying the Wii, and b) non-traditional gamers find controllers intimidating and would prefer to have HAL 9000 tracking their movements.

The Wii as a platform did more than just add motion control in order to achieve the success it has, and the Wiimote isn't intimidating for its 70+ million owners.

The assumption that non-traditional gamers will "eat this up" because it "looks cool" is tantamount to assuming they're all mindless drones with no concept of basing their purchases on the value and utility of the product in question.

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Also the "Why can't we all get along and be friends with Kinect? Why do we have to bash systems?" preaching is incredibly disingenous from someone who made a thread about how much Move is a "joke."

[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]If Microsoft didn't have the funds to sustain the massive losses it incurred over the lifetime of the original XBOX, it would have been the next DreamCast.

Kinect could be the next 32X, your crystal ball doesn't work any better than mine i.e. not at all.

shinrabanshou

But was it the next Dreamcast? And your point? You think getting rip off competition is good for the gamers and the gaming industry? Do you really think Sony, MS or Nintendo will listen to you more, care more about you if neither of them controls the whole market? Sometimes I just scratch my head to find the answer for something you guys just posted on these forums. I really wonder you guys play video games for. Is it for fun or just to be territorial or System War warriors? Why do we have to limit ourselves and deny others to have the same gaming experiences like all gamers do? Why do we need to condemn one's console and hope it would fail and only embrace the only system you like? I am afraid gaming isn't like it used to be anymore.

Hoping your competitor fails is not a business strategy.

None of the companies care about you or I. They care about profit margins, bottom lines and share prices.

If people want to buy Kinect, more power to them.

But I don't expect a mid-cycle peripheral to make much of an impact, especially based on the faulty premises that a) motion control was all that was necessary to attract non-traditional gamers into buying the Wii, and b) non-traditional gamers find controllers intimidating and would prefer to have HAL 9000 tracking their movements.

The Wii as a platform did more than just add motion control in order to achieve the success it has, and the Wiimote isn't intimidating for its 70+ million owners.

The assumption that non-traditional gamers will "eat this up" because it "looks cool" is tantamount to assuming they're all mindless drones with no concept of basing their purchases on the value and utility of the product in question.

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Also the "Why can't we all get along and be friends with Kinect? Why do we have to bash systems?" preaching is incredibly disingenous from someone who made a thread about how much Move is a "joke."

That was not from my personal opinion. I made that remark after reading the impressions from the people who had demoed the game. Their reactions were that Fight: Light Out game needed to be calibrated before starting the game and he was advised not to move his legs or he would lose calibration. He said the inability to move felt a bit restrained. This is the boxing game we are talking about and the limitation of it not be able to move your legs is a joke.

Here is the link to the demo which I was talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M29hcu_YEe0

It was interesting that in an interview with Microsoft director Penello, he predicted that Kinect will have less games than Move. He then went on to say that Kinect will not replace the controller for traditional genres or attempt to do so.

"I know we're going to have less games for [Kinect] than our competitors, but I think each one of those [games] is doing something interesting, and our system works differently and has different advantages than the wand, quite frankly. We're basically asking publishers to go out and make exclusive content for this new technology and this new customer. … To me it's way more important to have a handful of really good game titles that take advantage of the tech than 40 titles of which half of them are controller games with waggle added onto them.

We continue to say that the controller is the best experience for controller games. When people say, 'Why don't you have Halo?' Well, I don't want Halo on Kinect. I want Haloon a controller. Now would it be interesting to see what kind of game they could make using Kinect? Yeah, I would love to see what those guys could do, or what the Call of Duty guys could do. But I don't want to play Call of Duty 4, I want Call of Duty: Black Ops on the controller. So yeah, I'm really, really happy with the stuff that [publishers] are doing. … The most interesting stuff is going to be what comes out six months to a year from now when people come to grips with the technology and really start taking advantage of it."

Via Gamasutra.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]i cant wait when Kinect comes out, lots of crow to be eaten and they know it, its in the back of their mind that Kinect is gonna be a success and they are deathly DEAthLY Afraid of it, and then they will want it, cant wait!!!subrosian

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]i cant wait when Kinect comes out, lots of crow to be eaten and they know it, its in the back of their mind that Kinect is gonna be a success and they are deathly DEAthLY Afraid of it, and then they will want it, cant wait!!!Mestitia

when the time comes, lot of crow eating will be going around........ :lol:

when the time comes, lot of crow eating will be going around........ :lol:ProjectNatalFan

Everything I have saw about Kinect software wise has not impressed me. The tech is really cool but its the software that sells products like this,the move and the Wii. I know who MS is targeting for this thing but they still could have thrown their core fans a bone. Sony has casual and core games like Socom that will be compatible with the Move. Nintendo has SMG2 andcasual games that works with the Wiimote. So far the majority of games MS has shown has been casual. Thats a dangerous game to play by putting most of your eggs in that basket. The Wii succeeded because from the day it launched everybody knew it would have motion controls. If the rumors are true about the $150 for Kinect then this thing will have an even harder time getting track in themarket. If MS cant capture the casual market then Kinect will be doomed. Casual gamers are fickle. If they feel Kinect costs too much or does not have any good software then MS will have a hard time persuading them to give Kinect a chance. And last issue I have is feedback. I know this may sound petty but I just cant see howI can get fully immersed in a game with no controller in hand or even rumble. If some games can combine Kinect WITH a controller too then that would be awesome. If the game(s) aregood that is. Anyway thats the end of my issues and concerns about Kinect. Like I said earlier the tech is cool and it has enormous potential. But its up to MS to properly harness and market that potential.

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]when the time comes, lot of crow eating will be going around........ :lol:subrosian

yes how dare people have their own opinions :o

but here's the reality: few people are going to actually own a Kinect, and MIcrosoft's financial losses are a legitimate concern. I don't care about the System War, I'm concerned that MS is diverting focus from making a rock-solid next console, which at this point they need to be doing. I'm a gamer not a "fan".subrosian

I have yet to see any of your predictions turn true

Look at what we have on these forums now. Just the same hatred comments towards Kinect again. I was wondering why some of you love playing games for fun but have a big desire to reject something that others may enjoy playing with just for fun too. You guys are so selfish that's all I can see. Oh my gosh...

TheXFiles88

I just think that it's stupid. I don't want to dance around & to swing my whole body acting like a fool. I'm already 28 years old & am too mature for it. I can do that for free by excerising, etc.

Plus it's my opinion of how I dislike motion controls & gimmicks like this, it's not due to selfishness.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=253059 So Sega says they will have a hardcore game out for Kinect by the end of next year. They also point out that most dev houses have only had the connect kit for only one year thus the reason no hardcore games shown at E3.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=253059 So Sega says they will have a hardcore game out for Kinect by the end of next year. They also point out that most dev houses have only had the connect kit for only one year thus the reason no hardcore games shown at E3.

vaderhater

In 2 years, they managed to get all the time to show and create casual games but not any hardcore game? I sense damage control at it best. I'll wait to see how some dev can make FPS shooter where your character can walk and shoot without using controller. At this point,Kinect makes Wii look more hardcore.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=253059 So Sega says they will have a hardcore game out for Kinect by the end of next year. They also point out that most dev houses have only had the connect kit for only one year thus the reason no hardcore games shown at E3.

fun-da-mental

In 2 years, they managed to get all the time to show and create casual games but not any hardcore game? I sense damage control at it best. I'll wait to see how some dev can make FPS shooter where your character can walk and shoot without using controller. At this point,Kinect makes Wii look more hardcore.

Um yeah because that was Sega not MS in my link.vaderhater

Games you wish came out for kinect

Pokemon

Startrek

real starwars game

surgen game

hmm what else

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]Um yeah because that was Sega not MS in my link.subrosian

Yes and that is around the amount of time Sega noted too. Crazy huh?They said they need around two years not one year as they have had with the new tech to hammer out hardcore games.EA same boat. But yes the games will come.vaderhater

Lets hear it for shovel ware!!!!!