Official Ninja Gaiden 2 Discussion Thread - KEEP IT ALL HERE! or face Suspension

this will most likely be the second flop for lemmings this year. i feel bad for them considering this is only their second exclusive game of this year. :?-Renegade

You ever hear the saying "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" .

8.7 at ign. not bad :Domarguy01

thats a great score

Perhaps one of the many PS3 loyalists can explain something to me,

If Ninja Gaiden II scores say an 8.5 it has effectively outscored all but one of PS3's exclusive titles, and tied another.

If Ninja Gaiden II scores say an 8.0 it has effectively outscored all but two of PS3's exclusive titles, and tied two others.

I am not quite sure if that entitles anyone to bragging rights on the PS3 side of the fence.

cosmostein77

Not many of those PS3 titles were killer apps though.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

7.5 on xbox online (sorry if already said)

I am pretty shocked at these scores

lolkie_81

Im shocked as well. Maybe its just not a very good game. HS, Uncharted, and resistance scored low and I agreed with all those scores. All those games were meh. I was really looking forward to this game but it seems its turing out to be just a average game.

Scoring a 7.5 and a 8.7 doesnt mean the game is average.

Perhaps one of the many PS3 loyalists can explain something to me,

If Ninja Gaiden II scores say an 8.5 it has effectively outscored all but one of PS3's exclusive titles, and tied another.

If Ninja Gaiden II scores say an 8.0 it has effectively outscored all but two of PS3's exclusive titles, and tied two others.

I am not quite sure if that entitles anyone to bragging rights on the PS3 side of the fence.

cosmostein77

Metal Gear Solid 4 looms ever closer, and from the previews and reviews weve got so far, its looking like one of the most impressive games this gen. NG II was supposed to counter this,and so far it seems to not be living up to expectations. This is basically just the pre-show to what we'll more than likely be seeing June 12th.

Perhaps one of the many PS3 loyalists can explain something to me,

If Ninja Gaiden II scores say an 8.5 it has effectively outscored all but one of PS3's exclusive titles, and tied another.

If Ninja Gaiden II scores say an 8.0 it has effectively outscored all but two of PS3's exclusive titles, and tied two others.

I am not quite sure if that entitles anyone to bragging rights on the PS3 side of the fence.

cosmostein77

A flop is a flop regardless of what games it outscores, its actually even worse after 360 fans posted all those NG2 vs MGS4 threads :| The funny thing is that if NG2 scores lower than Sigma...well 'nuff said.

[QUOTE="cosmostein77"]

Perhaps one of the many PS3 loyalists can explain something to me,

If Ninja Gaiden II scores say an 8.5 it has effectively outscored all but one of PS3's exclusive titles, and tied another.

If Ninja Gaiden II scores say an 8.0 it has effectively outscored all but two of PS3's exclusive titles, and tied two others.

I am not quite sure if that entitles anyone to bragging rights on the PS3 side of the fence.

Adrian_Cloud

A flop is a flop regardless of what games it outscores, its actually even worse after 360 fans posted all those NG2 vs MGS4 threads :| The funny thing is that if NG2 scores lower than Sigma...well 'nuff said.

funny..i remember both sides posting "MGS4 vs NG2" threads. you also didnt really answer his point

Gamereactor reviews Ninja Gaiden 2 - 8/10 and 7/10

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/NewsCom-149674.aspx?CT=1

Wow

Gamereactor reviews Ninja Gaiden 2 - 8/10 and 7/10

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/NewsCom-149674.aspx?CT=1

Wow

therealmcc0y

looking good.

[QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

Gamereactor reviews Ninja Gaiden 2 - 8/10 and 7/10

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/NewsCom-149674.aspx?CT=1

Wow

lawlessx

looking good.

Yes good.

But a flop

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

Gamereactor reviews Ninja Gaiden 2 - 8/10 and 7/10

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/NewsCom-149674.aspx?CT=1

Wow

therealmcc0y

looking good.

Yes good.

But a flop

and when did we start ignoring GS reviews?

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

Gamereactor reviews Ninja Gaiden 2 - 8/10 and 7/10

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/NewsCom-149674.aspx?CT=1

Wow

therealmcc0y

looking good.

Yes good.

But a flop

You're really excited about this

[QUOTE="therealmcc0y"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

Gamereactor reviews Ninja Gaiden 2 - 8/10 and 7/10

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/NewsCom-149674.aspx?CT=1

Wow

Snowboarder99

looking good.

Yes good.

But a flop

You're really excited about this

How can you tell :oops:

[QUOTE="therealmcc0y"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

Gamereactor reviews Ninja Gaiden 2 - 8/10 and 7/10

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/NewsCom-149674.aspx?CT=1

Wow

lawlessx

looking good.

Yes good.

But a flop

and when did we start ignoring GS reviews?

Since they've been going against the general trend of the gaming community. Meh, i don't know when. I think it was after the Assasins creed and Mass Effect mix up. I'm pretty sure NG2 won't be getting an AAA score if it has frame-rate issues, a horrible camera systems, and mis matched difficulty curve.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

Adrian_Cloud

But a flop

and when did we start ignoring GS reviews?

Since they've been going against the general trend of the gaming community. Meh, i don't know when. I think it was after the Assasins creed and Mass Effect mix up. I'm pretty sure NG2 won't be getting an AAA score if it has frame-rate issues, a horrible camera systems, and mis matched difficulty curve.

well past team ninja games never had frame rate issues..im pretty sure the camera system that was a problem for some in NG has been fixed in NG2....and the developers have added a easier mode for the casual gamer who cant deal with the painful difficultly.

assassin's creed didnt deserve it's score,but mass effect did. So i dont really know what you mean.

Anyone who does not think that at least a few of these lower scores are not nearly directly centered around the game's brutal level of difficulty should read the Games Radar review, lol. They pretty much just ripped on it for the entire 3 page review, and he even pretty much stated he is not a part of the NG fanbase who love games like this because they are so challenging.

I have to give the guy credit for being hilarious though. He said that the visuals were so ugly in places, that it is about as interesting as looking at a background of toenail clippings. He also said that some of the graphics in places have not looked so bad since PS2's graphics were next gen, lmao.

He hated on the game so much, (mainly because he got his ass handed to him) that I am surprised he even gave it a 7. Then you have more reputable sites like IGN giving it an 8.7, and actually saying that the challenge is what makes it so satisfying....in typical NG fashion of course. Go figure.

Why would reviewers expect anything less from the sequel to a game like NG? Do they not remember the reason the first one became an instant classic? Or maybe they have just been spoiled by reviewing all of the shiny, more accessible next gen games since the first NG came out, that they came in unprepared for a such raw game that kicks your ass faster than you can say, "WTF just happened?"

Anyway, for those who have not read the Games Radar review already, read it for the comic factor, if anything. The guy is actually pretty funny in what is obviously a vent of his frustrations, lol. Frustrations that only a game like NG can cause. But is that not why we love it, lol?

http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/ninja-gaiden-ii/review/ninja-gaiden-2/a-20080525223739365094/g-20070820115628554022

well past team ninja games never had frame rate issues..im pretty sure the camera system that was a problem for some in NG has been fixed in NGS2....and the developers have added a easier mode for the casual gamer who cant deal with the painful difficultly.

assassin's creed didnt deserve it's score,but mass effect did. So i dont really know what you mean.

lawlessx

Haha Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2? (NGS2)

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

well past team ninja games never had frame rate issues..im pretty sure the camera system that was a problem for some in NG has been fixed in NGS2....and the developers have added a easier mode for the casual gamer who cant deal with the painful difficultly.

assassin's creed didnt deserve it's score,but mass effect did. So i dont really know what you mean.

Snowboarder99

Haha Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2? (NGS2)

yikes! :shock:

Anyone who does not think that at least a few of these lower scores are not nearly directly centered around the game's brutal level of difficulty should read the Games Radar review, lol. They pretty much just ripped on it for the entire 3 page review, and he even pretty much stated he is not a part of the NG fanbase who love games like this because they are so challenging.

I have to give the guy credit for being hilarious though. He said that the visuals were so ugly in places, that it is about as interesting as looking at a background of toenail clippings. He also said that some of the graphics in places have not looked so bad since PS2's graphics were next gen, lmao.

He hated on the game so much, (mainly because he got his ass handed to him) that I am surprised he even gave it a 7. Then you have more reputable sites like IGN giving it an 8.7, and actually saying that the challenge is what makes it so satisfying....in typical NG fashion of course. Go figure.

Why would reviewers expect anything less from the sequel to a game like NG? Do they not remember the reason the first one became an instant classic? Or maybe they have just been spoiled by reviewing all of the shiny, more accessible next gen games since the first NG came out, that they came in unprepared for a such raw game that kicks your ass faster than you can say, "WTF just happened?"

Anyway, for those who have not read the Games Radar review already, read it for the comic factor, if anything. The guy is actually pretty funny in what is obviously a vent of his frustrations, lol. Frustrations that only a game like NG can cause. But is that not why we love it, lol?

http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/ninja-gaiden-ii/review/ninja-gaiden-2/a-20080525223739365094/g-20070820115628554022

ironcreed

Man, that review was brutal. I am one of the few who didnt find ng, ngb, or ngs hard. Maybe this game will be fun for me. On the other hand it is getting some harsh reviews, it could be that this just is not near as good as the first. First day buy for me anyway. IM a ninja badass

Man, that review was brutal. I am one of the few who didnt find ng, ngb, or ngs hard. Maybe this game will be fun for me. On the other hand it is getting some harsh reviews, it could be that this just is not near as good as the first. First day buy for me anyway. IM a ninja badass

lolkie_81

Well, I personally find NG to be probably the hardest game I have ever played on normal difficulty. But then, that is why I loved it so much. I want games that challenge me to the core and make me a better player, despite the frustrations. As when you finally beat the game, the reward is all the sweeter and it becomes a game that you remember forever for the challenge it provided and unforgettable moments you had while playing it.

These are the same factors that I think will make NG II worth every cent in the end for me. As I know that it will not be a game I can sit down and breeze through in 2 evenings like most of the other action games on offer. Even though GOW is my favorite action series for what it offers as an overall package, the challenge that NG provides and it's gameplay stand at the pinnacle of core action games in my opinion. And I expect no less a challenge and masterful gameplay from NG II. And generic story, dipping framerate and lack luster graphics will not ruin a bit of it for me either.

So...3 A's, 2 AA's and 3 AAA's. I've never seen a game get such mixed reviews. Although the lower reviews seem to whine too much about difficulty.Kritical_Strike

Where were the 3 AAAs from? Anyway, it's about unfair difficulty rather than just difficulty.

So now that IGN gave NG2 a 8.7 it looks like a 8.5 here on gamespot.dream431ca

might wanna take a look at what IGN gave assassin's creed.

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]So...3 A's, 2 AA's and 3 AAA's. I've never seen a game get such mixed reviews. Although the lower reviews seem to whine too much about difficulty.thrones

Where were the 3 AAAs from? Anyway, it's about unfair difficulty rather than just difficulty.

yeah

yus

yep

And apparently the difficulty is "cheap" compared to some reviewers, yet other reviewers claim that it only requires you to become a better player. The latter was certainly the case with NG1.

[QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]So...3 A's, 2 AA's and 3 AAA's. I've never seen a game get such mixed reviews. Although the lower reviews seem to whine too much about difficulty.Kritical_Strike

Where were the 3 AAAs from? Anyway, it's about unfair difficulty rather than just difficulty.

yeah

yus

yep

And apparently the difficulty is "cheap" compared to some reviewers, yet other reviewers claim that it only requires you to become a better player. The latter was certainly the case with NG1.

strange how people are ignoring the 8's & 9's and are only focusing on gameradar's review which was painful to read.

[QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]So...3 A's, 2 AA's and 3 AAA's. I've never seen a game get such mixed reviews. Although the lower reviews seem to whine too much about difficulty.Kritical_Strike

Where were the 3 AAAs from? Anyway, it's about unfair difficulty rather than just difficulty.

yeah

yus

yep

And apparently the difficulty is "cheap" compared to some reviewers, yet other reviewers claim that it only requires you to become a better player. The latter was certainly the case with NG1.

these are websites that arnt usuallty quoted on gamespot, what was the hype here? AAA

[QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]So...3 A's, 2 AA's and 3 AAA's. I've never seen a game get such mixed reviews. Although the lower reviews seem to whine too much about difficulty.Kritical_Strike

Where were the 3 AAAs from? Anyway, it's about unfair difficulty rather than just difficulty.

yeah

yus

yep

And apparently the difficulty is "cheap" compared to some reviewers, yet other reviewers claim that it only requires you to become a better player. The latter was certainly the case with NG1.

these are websites that arnt usuallty quoted on gamespot, what was the hype here? AAA

I'm gonna say 8.5 but i'll take DMC any day

So is it safe to assume the rest of the major reviewers (1up, Gamespot, GameTrailers, etc) Are holding out to confirm a difference between the retail and review builds? Or has that already been debunked and we're due them any time now?nicenator

I cant belive they sent out bunk disks. Thats just stuiped. No one checks these things?

So...3 A's, 2 AA's and 3 AAA's. I've never seen a game get such mixed reviews. Although the lower reviews seem to whine too much about difficulty.Kritical_Strike

add another AAA to it..EGM also gave NG2 a AAA rating...and this is a love it or hate it game...if you can't get into the combat that is just like doing the same boring moves over and over..most likely you will give it a 7

[QUOTE="nicenator"]So is it safe to assume the rest of the major reviewers (1up, Gamespot, GameTrailers, etc) Are holding out to confirm a difference between the retail and review builds? Or has that already been debunked and we're due them any time now?lolkie_81

I cant belive they sent out bunk disks. Thats just stuiped. No one checks these things?

Eurogamer says they've got the final off the shelf PAL version, though that may be just what Team Ninja told them that the review copies are exactly the same as the shelf copies when in fact...they were wrong!

I'm curious, could Team Ninja perhaps take the game back and do further development? The only time I remember someone do that was when Valve released a game and it only got 60s on metacritic, so they redid it totally and took it back.

just let me say;

Hooray for boob physics!

[QUOTE="lolkie_81"]

[QUOTE="nicenator"]So is it safe to assume the rest of the major reviewers (1up, Gamespot, GameTrailers, etc) Are holding out to confirm a difference between the retail and review builds? Or has that already been debunked and we're due them any time now?thrones

I cant belive they sent out bunk disks. Thats just stuiped. No one checks these things?

Eurogamer says they've got the final off the shelf PAL version, though that may be just what Team Ninja told them that the review copies are exactly the same as the shelf copies when in fact...they were wrong!

I'm curious, could Team Ninja perhaps take the game back and do further development? The only time I remember someone do that was when Valve released a game and it only got 60s on metacritic, so they redid it totally and took it back.

If its a bad as some review sites are making it out to be, maybe they should take it back to development. NGb is one of my favorite games of all time, I would prefer a good sequel. I never found the other games hard so my review maybe different.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="lolkie_81"]

[QUOTE="nicenator"]So is it safe to assume the rest of the major reviewers (1up, Gamespot, GameTrailers, etc) Are holding out to confirm a difference between the retail and review builds? Or has that already been debunked and we're due them any time now?lolkie_81

I cant belive they sent out bunk disks. Thats just stuiped. No one checks these things?

Eurogamer says they've got the final off the shelf PAL version, though that may be just what Team Ninja told them that the review copies are exactly the same as the shelf copies when in fact...they were wrong!

I'm curious, could Team Ninja perhaps take the game back and do further development? The only time I remember someone do that was when Valve released a game and it only got 60s on metacritic, so they redid it totally and took it back.

If its a bad as some review sites are making it out to be, maybe they should take it back to development. NGb is one of my favorite games of all time, I would prefer a good sequel. I never found the other games hard so Im review maybe different.

It doesn't seem... 'bad' just not as great for our times as the last Ninja Gaiden.

[QUOTE="lolkie_81"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="lolkie_81"]

[QUOTE="nicenator"]So is it safe to assume the rest of the major reviewers (1up, Gamespot, GameTrailers, etc) Are holding out to confirm a difference between the retail and review builds? Or has that already been debunked and we're due them any time now?thrones

I cant belive they sent out bunk disks. Thats just stuiped. No one checks these things?

Eurogamer says they've got the final off the shelf PAL version, though that may be just what Team Ninja told them that the review copies are exactly the same as the shelf copies when in fact...they were wrong!

I'm curious, could Team Ninja perhaps take the game back and do further development? The only time I remember someone do that was when Valve released a game and it only got 60s on metacritic, so they redid it totally and took it back.

If its a bad as some review sites are making it out to be, maybe they should take it back to development. NGb is one of my favorite games of all time, I would prefer a good sequel. I never found the other games hard so Im review maybe different.

It doesn't seem... 'bad' just not as great for our times as the last Ninja Gaiden.

Yeah. Everyone is stating it still has the best combat in the genre. And honestly, that is why you play Ninja Gaiden.yellowandmushy

Really? I don't know about you, but the epic storyline made it worthwhile for me.

[QUOTE="yellowandmushy"]Yeah. Everyone is stating it still has the best combat in the genre. And honestly, that is why you play Ninja Gaiden.thrones

Really? I don't know about you, but the epic storyline made it worthwhile for me.

If you want an awesome storyline, play an RPG. While you're doing that, I'm gonna play the best action/adventure game out.

[QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="yellowandmushy"]Yeah. Everyone is stating it still has the best combat in the genre. And honestly, that is why you play Ninja Gaiden.Jipset

Really? I don't know about you, but the epic storyline made it worthwhile for me.

If you want an awesome storyline, play an RPG. While you're doing that, I'm gonna play the best action/adventure game out.

Grand Theft Auto IV? Where!?

It's strange; it has two 7/10 reviews.... so that makes me think it could flop. But then i just watched that "first 10 minutes" video and it looks absolutely badass.

So confused. :cry:

It's strange; it has two 7/10 reviews.... so that makes me think it could flop. But then i just watched that "first 10 minutes" video and it looks absolutely badass.

So confused. :cry:

Ninja-Hippo

That is exactly what I am feeling. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???:lol:

[QUOTE="Jipset"][QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="yellowandmushy"]Yeah. Everyone is stating it still has the best combat in the genre. And honestly, that is why you play Ninja Gaiden.thrones

Really? I don't know about you, but the epic storyline made it worthwhile for me.

If you want an awesome storyline, play an RPG. While you're doing that, I'm gonna play the best action/adventure game out.

Grand Theft Auto IV? Where!?

It's not out yet. ;)

Hey guys.!

Eurogamer just gave this a 7!

[QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="dgo71102244"]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO why???????????i just cant belive it IGN are BIASED, ok i just have to wait for the gamespot review to claim ownage over the silly cows like f50p90 renegade chutebox etc.dgo71102244

So..there's alot of biased sites around then, such as Eurogamer etc :|

lol fanboy in denial. How about you get a life and find a new game to overhype. And if you're hoping for gamespot to declare ownage, I doubt many will take you seriously. btw: don't diss thrones. He's probably the coolest poster in sw.