Ok we get it pc has better graphics but does really have the better games

No it has not.kittyloaf69

Care to backup your argument?

to answer your question,

no graphics doensnt make a good game, but it can influence your experiece.

but as to makeing a game good, thats why we got the mods;)

Why are we putting all consoles against PC? Why not PC+360+Wii against PS3? Or PC+PS3+Wii against 360? Here's a crazy thought: why don't we evaluate each system separately. how it's meant to be?

Also, what is this 3 on 1? Really?AAllxxjjnn

who cares man the pc can take them anyways

all consoles originated from the pc, so in a way the pc is the father and the consoles are spoiled children

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

only 27 million users in the download market . i really dont think that is it . I am talking about where are these over 100 aaa games ? last to years i been bored stiff . last game i got was the sims 3

dontshackzmii

steam has 20 million users and they have 70% of the market . I don't like downloads . when i spend my money , i want some thing to show for it . I think pc gaming is great . However i really don't see it to be the be all end all place to game . Reason why i came back to me is because i heard about so many games . But i really am having a problem find games that i like .

How about HP Envy 15(15 inch) gaming laptop with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5830 (1GB VRAM, 800 SPs, DX11) and Intel Core i7(Quad-Core)?

How about ASUS G73JH(17 inch) gaming laptop with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870 (1GB VRAM, 800 SPs, DX11) and Intel Core i7(Quad-Core)?

Sony Vaio FW-59xx (16 inch) gaming laptop.

Unlike these consoles, laptops can easily carried, used and shown off.

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

Well then this is pretty much a PS3 vs PC thread because almost every Xbox 360 game is on the PC.

So does the PC have better exclusives than the PS3? Nope. But the better controls, graphics, controls, mods and community make a PC worth the money.

And some games like Team Fortress 2 and Left 4 Dead should only be played on a PC. Thats why I think its stupid to own an Xbox 360 if you own a gaming PC unless all your friends have an Xbox 360.

MK-Professor

Yes it has.

PC exclusives for 2009

• Empire Total War
• Anno 1404
• Dawn of war 2
• Shattered horizon
• Arma 2
• Cryostasis
• Kings Bounty
• Wings of prey
• Torchlight
• Sims 3
• Football Manager 2010
• Machinarium
• Cities XL
• Tropico 3
• Risen
• ….

plus the best versions of quality multiplats.

Yeah but the thing is, most of those games arent a reason to buy a gaming PC. And we can all agree on that. The PS3 actually has exclusives that make an inferior console system worth the money, such as Uncharted 2, God of War 3, and you know the rest.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

Well then this is pretty much a PS3 vs PC thread because almost every Xbox 360 game is on the PC.

So does the PC have better exclusives than the PS3? Nope. But the better controls, graphics, controls, mods and community make a PC worth the money.

And some games like Team Fortress 2 and Left 4 Dead should only be played on a PC. Thats why I think its stupid to own an Xbox 360 if you own a gaming PC unless all your friends have an Xbox 360.

CZVA

Yes it has.

PC exclusives for 2009

• Empire Total War
• Anno 1404
• Dawn of war 2
• Shattered horizon
• Arma 2
• Cryostasis
• Kings Bounty
• Wings of prey
• Torchlight
• Sims 3
• Football Manager 2010
• Machinarium
• Cities XL
• Tropico 3
• Risen
• ….

plus the best versions of quality multiplats.

Yeah but the thing is, most of those games arent a reason to buy a gaming PC. And we can all agree on that. The PS3 actually has exclusives that make an inferior console system worth the money, such as Uncharted 2, God of War 3, and you know the rest.

Why is that? They are very good reasons to do so.

• Dragon Age: Origins PC 9.5
• Dragon Age: Origins PS3 9.0
• Dragon Age: Origins 360 8.5

thats all :p

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Yes it has.

PC exclusives for 2009

• Empire Total War
• Anno 1404
• Dawn of war 2
• Shattered horizon
• Arma 2
• Cryostasis
• Kings Bounty
• Wings of prey
• Torchlight
• Sims 3
• Football Manager 2010
• Machinarium
• Cities XL
• Tropico 3
• Risen
• ….

plus the best versions of quality multiplats.

lundy86_4

Yeah but the thing is, most of those games arent a reason to buy a gaming PC. And we can all agree on that. The PS3 actually has exclusives that make an inferior console system worth the money, such as Uncharted 2, God of War 3, and you know the rest.

Why is that? They are very good reasons to do so.

Get real. I just did a metacritic search on those games. They all have average scores besides a few great strategy games. Im not talking bad about PC gaming because I game on my PC a lot more than I do on my PS3 but to use that sorry list of exclusives as a reason to get a PC is just desperate and embarrassing.

Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me. It seems like the only point in having a PC this generation is to play multiplatform games that should only be played on a PC. And strategy games if thats your kind of thing.

Im surprised and relieved Crysis isnt on that list. Arma 2 is a joke. Both of those games only serve the purpose of making you feel good about your e-penis. And the rest of those games like I said are average games Ive never even heard of.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

Yeah but the thing is, most of those games arent a reason to buy a gaming PC. And we can all agree on that. The PS3 actually has exclusives that make an inferior console system worth the money, such as Uncharted 2, God of War 3, and you know the rest.

CZVA

Why is that? They are very good reasons to do so.

Get real. I just did a metacritic search on those games. They all have average scores besides a few great strategy games. Im not talking bad about PC gaming because I game on my PC a lot more than I do on my PS3 but to use that sorry list of exclusives as a reason to get a PC is just desperate and embarrassing.

Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me. It seems like the only point in having a PC this generation is to play multiplatform games that should only be played on a PC. And strategy games if thats your kind of thing.

Im surprised and relieved Crysis isnt on that list. Arma 2 is a joke. Both of those games only serve the purpose of making you feel good about your e-penis. And the rest of those games like I said are average games Ive never even heard of.

I tend to find that while the PC can't compete with quantity, it does make up for it in quality and longevity. I love being able to tweak the game to my liking, and mods keep my interest long after the game has been finished. It's overall a better investment than buying a console game. As for controls, some are preferential, some are not. No console can compete with a PC's RTS interface.There are some genres that are simply better tailored to the PC, and vice versa.

I tend to find that while the PC can't compete with quantity, it does make up for it in quality and longevity. I love being able to tweak the game to my liking, and mods keep my interest long after the game has been finished. It's overall a better investment than buying a console game. As for controls, some are preferential, some are not. No console can compete with a PC's RTS interface.There are some genres that are simply better tailored to the PC, and vice versa.

Rekunta

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]There's a plethora of JRPGs that I'd take over any PC exclusive any day of the week. That's all I'm saying. ;)Silverbond

Congratulations, you have an opinion. Although you should be informed that it doesn't matter for much when we look at the spreadsheet.

[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

I tend to find that while the PC can't compete with quantity, it does make up for it in quality and longevity. I love being able to tweak the game to my liking, and mods keep my interest long after the game has been finished. It's overall a better investment than buying a console game. As for controls, some are preferential, some are not. No console can compete with a PC's RTS interface.There are some genres that are simply better tailored to the PC, and vice versa.

Wardemon50

Yea, but most of them are garbage (IMO).

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

Yeah but the thing is, most of those games arent a reason to buy a gaming PC. And we can all agree on that. The PS3 actually has exclusives that make an inferior console system worth the money, such as Uncharted 2, God of War 3, and you know the rest.

Why is that? They are very good reasons to do so.

Get real. I just did a metacritic search on those games. They all have average scores besides a few great strategy games. Im not talking bad about PC gaming because I game on my PC a lot more than I do on my PS3 but to use that sorry list of exclusives as a reason to get a PC is just desperate and embarrassing.

Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me. It seems like the only point in having a PC this generation is to play multiplatform games that should only be played on a PC. And strategy games if thats your kind of thing.

Im surprised and relieved Crysis isnt on that list. Arma 2 is a joke. Both of those games only serve the purpose of making you feel good about your e-penis. And the rest of those games like I said are average games Ive never even heard of.

[QUOTE="Wardemon50"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]

I tend to find that while the PC can't compete with quantity, it does make up for it in quality and longevity. I love being able to tweak the game to my liking, and mods keep my interest long after the game has been finished. It's overall a better investment than buying a console game. As for controls, some are preferential, some are not. No console can compete with a PC's RTS interface.There are some genres that are simply better tailored to the PC, and vice versa.

Rekunta

Yea, but most of them are garbage (IMO).

Yeah so much garbage that they are given ratings of at least AA..

Get real. I just did a metacritic search on those games. They all have average scores besides a few great strategy games. Im not talking bad about PC gaming because I game on my PC a lot more than I do on my PS3 but to use that sorry list of exclusives as a reason to get a PC is just desperate and embarrassing.

Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me. It seems like the only point in having a PC this generation is to play multiplatform games that should only be played on a PC. And strategy games if thats your kind of thing.

Im surprised and relieved Crysis isnt on that list. Arma 2 is a joke. Both of those games only serve the purpose of making you feel good about your e-penis. And the rest of those games like I said are average games Ive never even heard of.

CZVA

Cool.

Empire Total War - 90 Metacritic

Anno 1404 - 82 Metacritic

Dawn of War 2 - 85 Metacritic

Shattered Horizon - 73 Metacritic

Arma II - 77 Metacritic

Cryostasis - 69 Metacritic

King's Bounty - 79 Metacritic

Wings of Prey - NR

Torchlight - 84 Metacritic

Sims 3 - 86 Metacritic

Football manager 2010 - 88 Metacritic

Machinarium - 86 Metacritic

Cities XL - 68 Metacritic

Tropico 3 - 79 metacritic

Risen - 77 Metacritic

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2 scored between 60 and 70.

5 scored between 70 and 80.

7 scored 80+.

So what are you talking about?

"Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me"

^^ So you discount them because you don't like them. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your tastes =/= everybody else's.

yes, stop moping about and get over it.

when PC gamers talk about getting the better versions of games..they aren't only talking about graphics :wink:lawlessx

Not only graphics but also better online experience, controls, gameplay, mods, and sometimes more content.

Get real. I just did a metacritic search on those games. They all have average scores besides a few great strategy games. Im not talking bad about PC gaming because I game on my PC a lot more than I do on my PS3 but to use that sorry list of exclusives as a reason to get a PC is just desperate and embarrassing.

Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me. It seems like the only point in having a PC this generation is to play multiplatform games that should only be played on a PC. And strategy games if thats your kind of thing.

Im surprised and relieved Crysis isnt on that list. Arma 2 is a joke. Both of those games only serve the purpose of making you feel good about your e-penis. And the rest of those games like I said are average games Ive never even heard of.

CZVA

PC 48 exclusives for 2009

PS3 7 exclusives for 2009

Xbox 8 exclusives for 2009

Most of the pc exclusives are better than the consol exclusives plus the best versions of multiplats so it make sense to have a pc.

Im surprised and relieved Crysis isnt on that list.

CZVA

Crysis is not on that list simply because the list contain some of the 2009 exclusives.

The Witcher, Stalker(SP not MP), Crysis(SP not MP) and Oblivion were great games for PC.

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

Get real. I just did a metacritic search on those games. They all have average scores besides a few great strategy games. Im not talking bad about PC gaming because I game on my PC a lot more than I do on my PS3 but to use that sorry list of exclusives as a reason to get a PC is just desperate and embarrassing.

Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me. It seems like the only point in having a PC this generation is to play multiplatform games that should only be played on a PC. And strategy games if thats your kind of thing.

Im surprised and relieved Crysis isnt on that list. Arma 2 is a joke. Both of those games only serve the purpose of making you feel good about your e-penis. And the rest of those games like I said are average games Ive never even heard of.

lundy86_4

Cool.

Empire Total War - 90 Metacritic

Anno 1404 - 82 Metacritic

Dawn of War 2 - 85 Metacritic

Shattered Horizon - 73 Metacritic

Arma II - 77 Metacritic

Cryostasis - 69 Metacritic

King's Bounty - 79 Metacritic

Wings of Prey - NR

Torchlight - 84 Metacritic

Sims 3 - 86 Metacritic

Football manager 2010 - 88 Metacritic

Machinarium - 86 Metacritic

Cities XL - 68 Metacritic

Tropico 3 - 79 metacritic

Risen - 77 Metacritic

------------

2 scored between 60 and 70.

5 scored between 70 and 80.

7 scored 80+.

So what are you talking about?

"Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me"

^^ So you discount them because you don't like them. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your tastes =/= everybody else's.

King's Bounty: Armored Princess (Release Date: 20 Nov 2009 English). 82/100 Metacritic. Refer to http://store.steampowered.com/app/3170/

Demigod (Release Date: 14 April 2009) 76/100 Metacritic.

Sword of the Stars: Argos Naval Yard (Release Date: June 17, 2009). NR.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] ARMA 2 was buggy. They should have released ARMA 2 at its patched status.lowe0

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

Get real. I just did a metacritic search on those games. They all have average scores besides a few great strategy games. Im not talking bad about PC gaming because I game on my PC a lot more than I do on my PS3 but to use that sorry list of exclusives as a reason to get a PC is just desperate and embarrassing.

Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me. It seems like the only point in having a PC this generation is to play multiplatform games that should only be played on a PC. And strategy games if thats your kind of thing.

Im surprised and relieved Crysis isnt on that list. Arma 2 is a joke. Both of those games only serve the purpose of making you feel good about your e-penis. And the rest of those games like I said are average games Ive never even heard of.

lundy86_4

Cool.

Empire Total War - 90 Metacritic

Anno 1404 - 82 Metacritic

Dawn of War 2 - 85 Metacritic

Shattered Horizon - 73 Metacritic

Arma II - 77 Metacritic

Cryostasis - 69 Metacritic

King's Bounty - 79 Metacritic

Wings of Prey - NR

Torchlight - 84 Metacritic

Sims 3 - 86 Metacritic

Football manager 2010 - 88 Metacritic

Machinarium - 86 Metacritic

Cities XL - 68 Metacritic

Tropico 3 - 79 metacritic

Risen - 77 Metacritic

------------

2 scored between 60 and 70.

5 scored between 70 and 80.

7 scored 80+.

So what are you talking about?

"Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me"

^^ So you discount them because you don't like them. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your tastes =/= everybody else's.

man you guys are stubborn. fine, those games may have gotten scores a little above average but they are still not appealing, not to me and i can confidently say not for a lot of other PC owners.

with exclusive titles like Uncharted 1 and 2, MGS4, Forza 3, GT5, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2, Fight Night Round 4, Demon Souls, FF games, and much much more, how can that sorry list of mainly strategy games compare?

like i said, you cant keep using the "its only your opinion" argument every time something works to your disadvantage. consoles have a larger variety of AAA exclusives than the PC does. i really dont know how you cant fight this argument.

I'm not a PC gamer, I cannot get used to the controls.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

Get real. I just did a metacritic search on those games. They all have average scores besides a few great strategy games. Im not talking bad about PC gaming because I game on my PC a lot more than I do on my PS3 but to use that sorry list of exclusives as a reason to get a PC is just desperate and embarrassing.

Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me. It seems like the only point in having a PC this generation is to play multiplatform games that should only be played on a PC. And strategy games if thats your kind of thing.

Im surprised and relieved Crysis isnt on that list. Arma 2 is a joke. Both of those games only serve the purpose of making you feel good about your e-penis. And the rest of those games like I said are average games Ive never even heard of.

CZVA

Cool.

Empire Total War - 90 Metacritic

Anno 1404 - 82 Metacritic

Dawn of War 2 - 85 Metacritic

Shattered Horizon - 73 Metacritic

Arma II - 77 Metacritic

Cryostasis - 69 Metacritic

King's Bounty - 79 Metacritic

Wings of Prey - NR

Torchlight - 84 Metacritic

Sims 3 - 86 Metacritic

Football manager 2010 - 88 Metacritic

Machinarium - 86 Metacritic

Cities XL - 68 Metacritic

Tropico 3 - 79 metacritic

Risen - 77 Metacritic

------------

2 scored between 60 and 70.

5 scored between 70 and 80.

7 scored 80+.

So what are you talking about?

"Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me"

^^ So you discount them because you don't like them. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your tastes =/= everybody else's.

man you guys are stubborn. fine, those games may have gotten scores a little above average but they are still not appealing, not to me and i can confidently say not for a lot of other PC owners.

with exclusive titles like Uncharted 1 and 2, MGS4, Forza 3, GT5, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2, Fight Night Round 4, Demon Souls, FF games, and much much more, how can that sorry list of mainly strategy games compare?

like i said, you cant keep using the "its only your opinion" argument every time something works to your disadvantage. consoles have a larger variety of AAA exclusives than the PC does. i really dont know how you cant fight this argument.

Limited in scale.

Uncharted 1 was released in Dec 2007 .In 2007, there was Crysis PC.

Metal Gear Solid 4 was released in 2008. In 2008, there was Crysis Warhead PC and S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky.

"Wings of Prey" is a WWII flight simulator.

Empire Total War is a TBS/RTS hybrid with history and story. It includes Elizabeth era ship of line vs ship of line, land army vs land army. Recall "Master and Commander" or Elizabeth movies.

man you guys are stubborn. fine, those games may have gotten scores a little above average but they are still not appealing, not to me and i can confidently say not for a lot of other PC owners.

with exclusive titles like Uncharted 1 and 2, MGS4, Forza 3, GT5, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2, Fight Night Round 4, Demon Souls, FF games, and much much more, how can that sorry list of mainly strategy games compare?

like i said, you cant keep using the "its only your opinion" argument every time something works to your disadvantage. consoles have a larger variety of AAA exclusives than the PC does. i really dont know how you cant fight this argument.

CZVA

hhahaa lol wut

with exclusive titles like Uncharted 1 and 2, MGS4, Forza 3, GT5, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2, Fight Night Round 4, Demon Souls, FF games, and much much more, how can that sorry list of mainly strategy games compare?

like i said, you cant keep using the "its only your opinion" argument every time something works to your disadvantage. consoles have a larger variety of AAA exclusives than the PC does. i really dont know how you cant fight this argument.CZVA

There's no variety here? Let's go through that list again:

• Empire Total War - TBS/RTS hybrid
• Anno 1404 - Sim/RTS hybrid
• Dawn of War 2 - RTS/RPG hybrid
• Shattered Horizon - Multiplayer FPS
• Arma II - Freeform FPS
• Cryostasis - FPS/Adventure hybrid
• King's Bounty - TBS/RPG hybrid
• Wings of Prey - Combat flight sim
• Torchlight - ARPG
• Sims 3 - Sim
• Football manager 2010 - Sports Sim
• Machinarium - Adventure
• Cities XL - Sim
• Tropico 3 - Sim
• Risen - RPG

There are more sims than anything else, and they're all fairly varied in any case. And that's just one fairly slow year for the PC, while your list contains games from a few years ago and even unreleased games.

Compare that list to the PS3's five A-AAAA exclusives of 2009, and it looks like the PC has far more variety:

• Uncharted 2 - Action-adventure
• Demons' Souls - RPG
• Infamous - Action-adventure
• Killzone 2 - FPS
• Ratchet and Clank - Action-adventure/Platformer

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] ARMA 2 was buggy. They should have released ARMA 2 at its patched status.ronvalencia

Another cow PC bashing thread, strange how they all have PC's when it comes to playing 360/PC games ... :?

[QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]No it has not.Silverbond

Care to backup your argument?

I think PC has a lot of interesting games, but some of them are way over-rated by the PC Community(Penumbra... really hermits? Its in the bargin bin for a reason). Obviously, games like StarCraft, WarCraft, Diablo, AoE, Civilization, Crysis are all very good, but like I said, some of these obscure, low budget games that score well are not all they are cracked up to be by a lot of PC gamers, and really only get those scores from PC focused reviewers who are baised to PC games, and will give a game the benifit of the doubt simply to make PC games look superior

I think PC has a lot of interesting games, but some of them are way over-rated by the PC Community(Penumbra... really hermits? Its in the bargin bin for a reason). Obviously, games like StarCraft, WarCraft, Diablo, AoE, Civilization, Crysis are all very good, but like I said, some of these obscure, low budget games that score well are not all they are cracked up to be by a lot of PC gamers, and really only get those scores from PC focused reviewers who are baised to PC games, and will give a game the benifit of the doubt simply to make PC games look superior

heysharpshooter

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

I think PC has a lot of interesting games, but some of them are way over-rated by the PC Community(Penumbra... really hermits? Its in the bargin bin for a reason). Obviously, games like StarCraft, WarCraft, Diablo, AoE, Civilization, Crysis are all very good, but like I said, some of these obscure, low budget games that score well are not all they are cracked up to be by a lot of PC gamers, and really only get those scores from PC focused reviewers who are baised to PC games, and will give a game the benifit of the doubt simply to make PC games look superior

blue_hazy_basic

I never said anything about those magazines... we all know those magazine are biased toward a single console. But PC reviewers are also baised toward PC games. thats why games like Risen, which is an absolute bore fest and a buggy nightmare, score 8's, because well "its on PC, so it has to be better than something on consoles". They also want to defend a platform that for some stupid reason they think they need to defend... I have said in the past, PC gamers are far too defensive about their platform, then they don't need to be.

BTW, I only read GameSpot, Eurogamer and Game Informer. And IGN and X-Play sometimes, although X-Play can be a little weird sometimes(like naming Fable 2 GOTY)

According to those topics some thinks some console fanboys in order to matter a pc exclusive to them must

A. Not been RTS or MMO since those genres do not exist on consoles thus are niche and dont count

B. Must have a development cost of at least 7-8 million otherwise is considered trash

C. Must have a certain level of hype which is " is the best Thing Since Sliced Bread "

D. Must sell at least 1 million or is a failure thus does not count

E.Must have Teh graphics or does not count even if it has great gameplay

Of course if you exclude all the games that fall into those categories then yes consoles have more good games

According to those topics some thinks some console fanboys in order to matter a pc exclusive to them must

A. Not been RTS or MMO since those genres do not exist on consoles thus are niche and dont count

You can count those. Games are games, and if the PC has them and they don't, than thats the console loss.

B. Must have a development cost of at least 7-8 million otherwise is considered trash

Not true again. A good game is a good game.

C. Must have a certain level of hype which is " is the best Thing Since Sliced Bread "

This is true somewhat. I am sorry, but ARMA is not agame to get all hyped about, and is really over-rated by the PC community.

D. Must sell at least 1 million or is a failure thus does not count

Yes, this is true. Games that don't sell normally suck. Not in all cases obviously, but if a game with really high reviews sells 30,000 copies, than someone is misrepresenting the quality of the game, and usually, its the reviewers.

E.Must have Teh graphics or does not count even if it has great gameplay

This is supposed to be the big PC advantage, isn't it? It really doesn't matter to people who enjoy games.

Of course if you exclude all the games that fall into those categories then yes consoles have more good games

adamosmaki

Once again, being so defensive for no reason.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

According to those topics some thinks some console fanboys in order to matter a pc exclusive to them must

A. Not been RTS or MMO since those genres do not exist on consoles thus are niche and dont count

You can count those. Games are games, and if the PC has them and they don't, than thats the console loss.

B. Must have a development cost of at least 7-8 million otherwise is considered trash

Not true again. A good game is a good game.

C. Must have a certain level of hype which is " is the best Thing Since Sliced Bread "

This is true somewhat. I am sorry, but ARMA is not agame to get all hyped about, and is really over-rated by the PC community.

D. Must sell at least 1 million or is a failure thus does not count

Yes, this is true. Games that don't sell normally suck. Not in all cases obviously, but if a game with really high reviews sells 30,000 copies, than someone is misrepresenting the quality of the game, and usually, its the reviewers.

E.Must have Teh graphics or does not count even if it has great gameplay

This is supposed to be the big PC advantage, isn't it? It really doesn't matter to people who enjoy games.

Of course if you exclude all the games that fall into those categories then yes consoles have more good games

heysharpshooter

Once again, being so defensive for no reason.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

I think PC has a lot of interesting games, but some of them are way over-rated by the PC Community(Penumbra... really hermits? Its in the bargin bin for a reason). Obviously, games like StarCraft, WarCraft, Diablo, AoE, Civilization, Crysis are all very good, but like I said, some of these obscure, low budget games that score well are not all they are cracked up to be by a lot of PC gamers, and really only get those scores from PC focused reviewers who are baised to PC games, and will give a game the benifit of the doubt simply to make PC games look superior

I never said anything about those magazines... we all know those magazine are biased toward a single console. But PC reviewers are also baised toward PC games. thats why games like Risen, which is an absolute bore fest and a buggy nightmare, score 8's, because well "its on PC, so it has to be better than something on consoles". They also want to defend a platform that for some stupid reason they think they need to defend... I have said in the past, PC gamers are far too defensive about their platform, then they don't need to be.

BTW, I only read GameSpot, Eurogamer and Game Informer. And IGN and X-Play sometimes, although X-Play can be a little weird sometimes(like naming Fable 2 GOTY)

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] yea not like those magazines devoted to a specific console :roll:blue_hazy_basic

I never said anything about those magazines... we all know those magazine are biased toward a single console. But PC reviewers are also baised toward PC games. thats why games like Risen, which is an absolute bore fest and a buggy nightmare, score 8's, because well "its on PC, so it has to be better than something on consoles". They also want to defend a platform that for some stupid reason they think they need to defend... I have said in the past, PC gamers are far too defensive about their platform, then they don't need to be.

BTW, I only read GameSpot, Eurogamer and Game Informer. And IGN and X-Play sometimes, although X-Play can be a little weird sometimes(like naming Fable 2 GOTY)

It's not even PC specific sites... any PC reviewer on any magazine shows incredible bais toward the PC platform. Thats why games like Penumbra and Cryostasis, which are barely games to begin with, score 8's, yet are often critized in the written review to the point where the game sounds terrible. They are giving those games the benifit of the doubt, while similar games on consoles are torn to shreds. I wouldn't rate Penumbra any higher than the Saw game, which is basically the same thing, yet they have totally different scores.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

I never said anything about those magazines... we all know those magazine are biased toward a single console. But PC reviewers are also baised toward PC games. thats why games like Risen, which is an absolute bore fest and a buggy nightmare, score 8's, because well "its on PC, so it has to be better than something on consoles". They also want to defend a platform that for some stupid reason they think they need to defend... I have said in the past, PC gamers are far too defensive about their platform, then they don't need to be.

BTW, I only read GameSpot, Eurogamer and Game Informer. And IGN and X-Play sometimes, although X-Play can be a little weird sometimes(like naming Fable 2 GOTY)

heysharpshooter

It's not even PC specific sites... any PC reviewer on any magazine shows incredible bais toward the PC platform. Thats why games like Penumbra and Cryostasis, which are barely games to begin with, score 8's, yet are often critized in the written review to the point where the game sounds terrible. They are giving those games the benifit of the doubt, while similar games on consoles are torn to shreds. I wouldn't rate Penumbra any higher than the Saw game, which is basically the same thing, yet they have totally different scores.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

According to those topics some thinks some console fanboys in order to matter a pc exclusive to them must

A. Not been RTS or MMO since those genres do not exist on consoles thus are niche and dont count

You can count those. Games are games, and if the PC has them and they don't, than thats the console loss.

B. Must have a development cost of at least 7-8 million otherwise is considered trash

Not true again. A good game is a good game.

C. Must have a certain level of hype which is " is the best Thing Since Sliced Bread "

This is true somewhat. I am sorry, but ARMA is not agame to get all hyped about, and is really over-rated by the PC community.

D. Must sell at least 1 million or is a failure thus does not count

Yes, this is true. Games that don't sell normally suck. Not in all cases obviously, but if a game with really high reviews sells 30,000 copies, than someone is misrepresenting the quality of the game, and usually, its the reviewers.

E.Must have Teh graphics or does not count even if it has great gameplay

This is supposed to be the big PC advantage, isn't it? It really doesn't matter to people who enjoy games.

Of course if you exclude all the games that fall into those categories then yes consoles have more good games

heysharpshooter

Once again, being so defensive for no reason.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] IGN overates tons of games. Your logic that this is something PC game sites do to deliberately manipulate average scores is so flawed,mo0ksi

It's not even PC specific sites... any PC reviewer on any magazine shows incredible bais toward the PC platform. Thats why games like Penumbra and Cryostasis, which are barely games to begin with, score 8's, yet are often critized in the written review to the point where the game sounds terrible. They are giving those games the benifit of the doubt, while similar games on consoles are torn to shreds. I wouldn't rate Penumbra any higher than the Saw game, which is basically the same thing, yet they have totally different scores.

I haven't gotten around to Cryostasis yet, but have played Penumbra, ArmA, STALKER(which is pretty cool, actually), Risen, etc. Most of it is not what PC gamers crack it up to be. From what I have been told by my PC friends, Cryostatis is very light on actual gameplay, and mostly just a virtual story, and a cheaply done, glitchy one at that. And itsn't like a grand total of 8 hours of gameplay? I'll take Bioshock any day thanks. At least it has some gameplay.

Really, PC has nothing really compelling to offer outside of FPS, MMO/RPG and RTS. Nothing wrong with that, however, as 2 of those 4 are not really possible on consoles.

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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

According to those topics some thinks some console fanboys in order to matter a pc exclusive to them must

A. Not been RTS or MMO since those genres do not exist on consoles thus are niche and dont count

You can count those. Games are games, and if the PC has them and they don't, than thats the console loss.

B. Must have a development cost of at least 7-8 million otherwise is considered trash

Not true again. A good game is a good game.

C. Must have a certain level of hype which is " is the best Thing Since Sliced Bread "

This is true somewhat. I am sorry, but ARMA is not agame to get all hyped about, and is really over-rated by the PC community.

D. Must sell at least 1 million or is a failure thus does not count

Yes, this is true. Games that don't sell normally suck. Not in all cases obviously, but if a game with really high reviews sells 30,000 copies, than someone is misrepresenting the quality of the game, and usually, its the reviewers.

E.Must have Teh graphics or does not count even if it has great gameplay

This is supposed to be the big PC advantage, isn't it? It really doesn't matter to people who enjoy games.

Of course if you exclude all the games that fall into those categories then yes consoles have more good games

adamosmaki

Once again, being so defensive for no reason.

"Not in all cases obviously" Read more carefully. I said in most cases, not all cases. Name games that didn't sell well but scored well all you want, it doesn't change my point.

And BTW, all PC HAS is FPS and RTS and MMO/RPG. Its not like there is this macrocomsim of diversity on PC.

What's this? Another console fanboy desperately seeking some solice because they don't own/understand the greatest gaming platform of all time? Well unlucky as you'll find no respite here.

The PC has games the consoles could only dream of and now it has the better versions of all the big console multiplats as well.

A prime example of console fail can be seen in Oblivion.