Ok we get it pc has better graphics but does really have the better games

its a tough comparison, really. i think that consoles and PCs are fairly different creatures. i prefer console offerings, but that's entirely opinion. i think (too lazy to look) if you take the cumulative game scores over the past 5 years, the PC still wins. it makes sense, too. PC is easily the worldwide gaming king. it also is the most dev-friendly system out there.

I haven't gotten around to Cryostasis yet, but have played Penumbra, ArmA, STALKER(which is pretty cool, actually), Risen, etc. Most of it is not what PC gamers crack it up to be. From what I have been told by my PC friends, Cryostatis is very light on actual gameplay, and mostly just a virtual story, and a cheaply done, glitchy one at that. And itsn't like a grand total of 8 hours of gameplay? I'll take Bioshock any day thanks. At least it has some gameplay.

Really, PC has nothing really compelling to offer outside of FPS, MMO/RPG and RTS. Nothing wrong with that, however, as 2 of those 4 are not really possible on consoles.

heysharpshooter

What your friends forgot to tell you is that most of the storytelling is told during the gameplay, and it's brilliantly well told at that. Original. I don't understand how it's "cheaply done".

As for your last statement, for the last ****ing time: PC is also superior in Adventures, Sims, and Racers.

"Not in all cases obviously" Read more carefully. I said in most cases, not all cases. Name games that didn't sell well but scored well all you want, it doesn't change my point.

And BTW, all PC HAS is FPS and RTS and MMO/RPG. Its not like there is this macrocomsim of diversity on PC.

heysharpshooter

So what are Street Fighter 4, Dead Space, GTR2, Trackmania, Trine, Burnout Paradise, DiRT, GRiD, Football Manager, Prince of Persia, Penumbra series, Plants vs zombies, Zero Gear, Clutch, Mirrors Edge, Zombie Driver, X3 Terran Conflict, World of Goo and Secrets of Monkey Island?

Clearly you couldn't be more wrong.

B. Must have a development cost of at least 7-8 million otherwise is considered trash

adamosmaki

I can see where you'd be upset by the rest of the bullet points, but I don't understand this one. Polish matters. Now, depending on the scale of a game, 8 million can result in a really polished product (see anything made by Introversion for an example), but developing good software requires a lot of analysis and testing to get the details right, and that costs money.

To pick on my previous example: when Introversion tried to just take the core games of Darwinia and Multiwinia and make a single XBLA product out of them, MS pushed back in order to ensure a premium product (which will command a premium price relative to other XBLA titles, I'm sure). Introversion didn't like the interference, but in the end, they admit that it really did result in a superior product. See here: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=232287

I think the PC is no match for the PS3 graphics,even if it has the most powerful graphics card up to date (ATI 4850x now) i think it won't handle the graphics of the top PS3 games e.g Killzone II and Uncharted 2

PC can win if you want to play:

1.Online

2.World of Warcraft LOL

I think the PC is no match for the PS3 graphics,even if it has the most powerful graphics card up to date (ATI 4850x now) i think it won't handle the graphics of the top PS3 games e.g Killzone II and Uncharted 2

PC can win if you want to play:

1.Online

2.World of Warcraft LOL

MadridistAli

Your information is as up-to-date and correct as the rest of your post.

I think the PC is no match for the PS3 graphics,even if it has the most powerful graphics card up to date (ATI 4850x now) i think it won't handle the graphics of the top PS3 games e.g Killzone II and Uncharted 2

PC can win if you want to play:

1.Online

2.World of Warcraft LOL

MadridistAli

CryEngine3 say hi.

Gaming PCs with "fat" DX10 GPUs can handle Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 rendering methods. Uncharted 2 doesn't even use fulltime SSAO.

CryEngine2 and CryEngine3 use full time SSAO. Uncharted 2 uses skybox(fake) mountains, while Crysis use voxel generated mountains i.e. real geometry.

CryEngine2 and CryEngine3 already includes Eye Adaptive HDRL i.e. refer God of War III.

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Read Sony's own white papers i.e. http://research.scea.com/ps3_deferred_shading.pdf

In deferred(pixel) shading, 5 SPEs = 20 pixel pipelined enabled G70 (Geforce 7800 GTX has 24 pixel pipelines).

With Killzone 2 and "deferred rendering for lights" refer to http://www.develop-online.net/features/407/BUILD-Defered-rendering

"Because you project your lights into the scene as a post-process, you're not lighting any pixels that are hidden behind any other pixels," says Jan-Bart van Beek, art and animation director at Guerilla, describing one of the advantages that convinced the studio make the early decision to use deferred rendering in Killzone 2

Killzone 2 uses an efficient method for lights.

If you read http://www.crytek.com/fileadmin/user_upload/inside/presentations/2009/Light_Propagation_Volumes.pdf

Since consoles doesn't use brute force stream compute performance (GpGPU), CryEngine3 (PC, XBox 360, PS3) also selected deferred rendering for lights(page 3).

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Triangles contest envy from Crytek side i.e. refer to http://www.crytek.com/fileadmin/user_upload/inside/presentations/2009/Light_Propagation_Volumes.pdf

Page 28, Island scene (yet another island scene from Crytek) has 2100 draw calls and 2.32 million triangles. Page 29 shows the scene for the benchmark frame.

Page 29, it shows the scene's benchmark in rendering the frame i.e. Xbox 360 vs PS3. The Xbox 360 is slightly faster. For light propagation volumes benchmark, the scene has 2.32 million triangles per frame.

In comparsion, Uncharted 2 uses 1.2 million triangles per frame refer to http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/uncharted-2-mastering-the-cell-blog-entry

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There nothing magical with CELL.

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Raytracing you say...

Refer to http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Larrabee-Ray-Tracing,5769.html

JulesWorld started experimenting with a 100% ray-traced pipeline on a GPU with the arrival of ATI's R600 (2900XT) chip.

Urbach told us that ray-tracing in real time became a reality with the Radeon 2900XT - which was used for a series of trailers for last summer's hit-move Transformers

JulesWorld's LightStage technology can take wireframes consisting of an insane 32 million vectors to enable real world characters and their expressions.

Compare that with Uncharted 2's 1.2 million triangles.

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PS3's RSX is based on G70

Btw, Radeon HD 4870 has superseded by Radeon HD 5870. You are wrong in both counts.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

"Not in all cases obviously" Read more carefully. I said in most cases, not all cases. Name games that didn't sell well but scored well all you want, it doesn't change my point.

And BTW, all PC HAS is FPS and RTS and MMO/RPG. Its not like there is this macrocomsim of diversity on PC.

1080pOnly

So what are Street Fighter 4, Dead Space, GTR2, Trackmania, Trine, Burnout Paradise, DiRT, GRiD, Football Manager, Prince of Persia, Penumbra series, Plants vs zombies, Zero Gear, Clutch, Mirrors Edge, Zombie Driver, X3 Terran Conflict, World of Goo and Secrets of Monkey Island?

Clearly you couldn't be more wrong.

alot of those are multiplats that are also on consoles. while i love my pc and the games it does run, run AWESOMELY, the pc is really limited in the type of games it has. if it doesn't fit into one of the 4 game types RTS,FPS,MMO,WRPG then its probably a casual or multiplat game (like plants vs zombies or trine)
i've been saying this for awhile but i've not seen many jrpg's (and most of them are from japan untranslated) action/adventure/platforming (ie NOT point and click) fighting games (exclusive to the pc, which could be the baddest fighting game ever... if only...)

[QUOTE="1080pOnly"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

"Not in all cases obviously" Read more carefully. I said in most cases, not all cases. Name games that didn't sell well but scored well all you want, it doesn't change my point.

And BTW, all PC HAS is FPS and RTS and MMO/RPG. Its not like there is this macrocomsim of diversity on PC.

z4twenny

So what are Street Fighter 4, Dead Space, GTR2, Trackmania, Trine, Burnout Paradise, DiRT, GRiD, Football Manager, Prince of Persia, Penumbra series, Plants vs zombies, Zero Gear, Clutch, Mirrors Edge, Zombie Driver, X3 Terran Conflict, World of Goo and Secrets of Monkey Island?

Clearly you couldn't be more wrong.

alot of those are multiplats that are also on consoles. while i love my pc and the games it does run, run AWESOMELY, the pc is really limited in the type of games it has. if it doesn't fit into one of the 4 game types RTS,FPS,MMO,WRPG then its probably a casual or multiplat game (like plants vs zombies or trine)
i've been saying this for awhile but i've not seen many jrpg's (and most of them are from japan untranslated) action/adventure/platforming (ie NOT point and click) fighting games (exclusive to the pc, which could be the baddest fighting game ever... if only...)

In that case we could say the PS3 only has TPS and FPS as those are the majority of exclusives. Multiplats count, casual games count and so does everything else. Just because YOU don't think the PC has variety doesn't mean you can just discount the large variety I presented to you.

So lets see, PC dominates RTS, FPS, MMO, WRPG, Casual, Strategy, Simulation and Indie games of all types. It does Racing, action and platforming well and fighting games poorly. While the consoles dominate what? Seems to me the diversity you speak of is sorely lacking on consoles.

[QUOTE="1080pOnly"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

"Not in all cases obviously" Read more carefully. I said in most cases, not all cases. Name games that didn't sell well but scored well all you want, it doesn't change my point.

And BTW, all PC HAS is FPS and RTS and MMO/RPG. Its not like there is this macrocomsim of diversity on PC.

z4twenny

So what are Street Fighter 4, Dead Space, GTR2, Trackmania, Trine, Burnout Paradise, DiRT, GRiD, Football Manager, Prince of Persia, Penumbra series, Plants vs zombies, Zero Gear, Clutch, Mirrors Edge, Zombie Driver, X3 Terran Conflict, World of Goo and Secrets of Monkey Island?

Clearly you couldn't be more wrong.

alot of those are multiplats that are also on consoles. while i love my pc and the games it does run, run AWESOMELY, the pc is really limited in the type of games it has. if it doesn't fit into one of the 4 game types RTS,FPS,MMO,WRPG then its probably a casual or multiplat game (like plants vs zombies or trine)
i've been saying this for awhile but i've not seen many jrpg's (and most of them are from japan untranslated) action/adventure/platforming (ie NOT point and click) fighting games (exclusive to the pc, which could be the baddest fighting game ever... if only...)

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"] What the number of users has to do anything with that. Also 27 million is steam alone. Yes steam is the biggest DD service but expect the total users of different services like D2D, Impulse, gamersgate and metaboli to be at least 50 million. Also all those games you can find most ( actually i bet you can find all ) on the aforementioned services especially Steam and Gamersgate ronvalencia

steam has 20 million users and they have 70% of the market . I don't like downloads . when i spend my money , i want some thing to show for it . I think pc gaming is great . However i really don't see it to be the be all end all place to game . Reason why i came back to me is because i heard about so many games . But i really am having a problem find games that i like .

How about HP Envy 15(15 inch) gaming laptop with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5830 (1GB VRAM, 800 SPs, DX11) and Intel Core i7(Quad-Core)?

How about ASUS G73JH(17 inch) gaming laptop with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870 (1GB VRAM, 800 SPs, DX11) and Intel Core i7(Quad-Core)?

Sony Vaio FW-59xx (16 inch) gaming laptop.

Unlike these consoles, laptops can easily carried, used and shown off.

Are you some sales assistant for gaming laptops or something?

Also, what is this 3 on 1? Really?AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Also, what is this 3 on 1? Really?ZuluEcho14

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

It's not even PC specific sites... any PC reviewer on any magazine shows incredible bais toward the PC platform. Thats why games like Penumbra and Cryostasis, which are barely games to begin with, score 8's, yet are often critized in the written review to the point where the game sounds terrible. They are giving those games the benifit of the doubt, while similar games on consoles are torn to shreds. I wouldn't rate Penumbra any higher than the Saw game, which is basically the same thing, yet they have totally different scores.

I haven't gotten around to Cryostasis yet, but have played Penumbra, ArmA, STALKER(which is pretty cool, actually), Risen, etc. Most of it is not what PC gamers crack it up to be. From what I have been told by my PC friends, Cryostatis is very light on actual gameplay, and mostly just a virtual story, and a cheaply done, glitchy one at that. And itsn't like a grand total of 8 hours of gameplay? I'll take Bioshock any day thanks. At least it has some gameplay.

Really, PC has nothing really compelling to offer outside of FPS, MMO/RPG and RTS. Nothing wrong with that, however, as 2 of those 4 are not really possible on consoles.

Plenty of great games have come out for the PC. If you don't think so, than you obviously aren't a PC gamer and are making attacks on something you don't understand.Wardemon50

PC has an infinite amount of games, many of which are free.

Some built on the CryEngine for example. Stand-alone mods.

if you want to cry about price points all the time vs. consoles,

then you forgot about all the free games.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

Get real. I just did a metacritic search on those games. They all have average scores besides a few great strategy games. Im not talking bad about PC gaming because I game on my PC a lot more than I do on my PS3 but to use that sorry list of exclusives as a reason to get a PC is just desperate and embarrassing.

Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me. It seems like the only point in having a PC this generation is to play multiplatform games that should only be played on a PC. And strategy games if thats your kind of thing.

Im surprised and relieved Crysis isnt on that list. Arma 2 is a joke. Both of those games only serve the purpose of making you feel good about your e-penis. And the rest of those games like I said are average games Ive never even heard of.

CZVA

Cool.

Empire Total War - 90 Metacritic

Anno 1404 - 82 Metacritic

Dawn of War 2 - 85 Metacritic

Shattered Horizon - 73 Metacritic

Arma II - 77 Metacritic

Cryostasis - 69 Metacritic

King's Bounty - 79 Metacritic

Wings of Prey - NR

Torchlight - 84 Metacritic

Sims 3 - 86 Metacritic

Football manager 2010 - 88 Metacritic

Machinarium - 86 Metacritic

Cities XL - 68 Metacritic

Tropico 3 - 79 metacritic

Risen - 77 Metacritic

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2 scored between 60 and 70.

5 scored between 70 and 80.

7 scored 80+.

So what are you talking about?

"Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me"

^^ So you discount them because you don't like them. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your tastes =/= everybody else's.

man you guys are stubborn. fine, those games may have gotten scores a little above average but they are still not appealing, not to me and i can confidently say not for a lot of other PC owners.

with exclusive titles like Uncharted 1 and 2, MGS4, Forza 3, GT5, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2, Fight Night Round 4, Demon Souls, FF games, and much much more, how can that sorry list of mainly strategy games compare?

like i said, you cant keep using the "its only your opinion" argument every time something works to your disadvantage. consoles have a larger variety of AAA exclusives than the PC does. i really dont know how you cant fight this argument.

I've got next to none interest in most of the games you mention. Aren't opinions fun? Actually you can keep the "its only your opinion" argument to yourself, fact is there are MUCH more PC exclusives this gen than PS3 + 360 put together. It's irrelevant if you like them or not. Like I said I simply don't care for most console exclusives.

Only thing PC loses to is Poke'mon on the game boy. Nothing like spending hours on that running around in circles training up your pets to beat your friends. So I guess it should go Gameboy > PC > everything else > Wii

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Cool.

Empire Total War - 90 Metacritic

Anno 1404 - 82 Metacritic

Dawn of War 2 - 85 Metacritic

Shattered Horizon - 73 Metacritic

Arma II - 77 Metacritic

Cryostasis - 69 Metacritic

King's Bounty - 79 Metacritic

Wings of Prey - NR

Torchlight - 84 Metacritic

Sims 3 - 86 Metacritic

Football manager 2010 - 88 Metacritic

Machinarium - 86 Metacritic

Cities XL - 68 Metacritic

Tropico 3 - 79 metacritic

Risen - 77 Metacritic

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2 scored between 60 and 70.

5 scored between 70 and 80.

7 scored 80+.

So what are you talking about?

"Theres not a single game on that list I would want to play and I hope someone else here agrees with me"

^^ So you discount them because you don't like them. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your tastes =/= everybody else's.

nunovlopes

man you guys are stubborn. fine, those games may have gotten scores a little above average but they are still not appealing, not to me and i can confidently say not for a lot of other PC owners.

with exclusive titles like Uncharted 1 and 2, MGS4, Forza 3, GT5, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2, Fight Night Round 4, Demon Souls, FF games, and much much more, how can that sorry list of mainly strategy games compare?

like i said, you cant keep using the "its only your opinion" argument every time something works to your disadvantage. consoles have a larger variety of AAA exclusives than the PC does. i really dont know how you cant fight this argument.

I've got next to none interest in most of the games you mention. Aren't opinions fun? Actually you can keep the "its only your opinion" argument to yourself, fact is there are MUCH more PC exclusives this gen than PS3 + 360 put together. It's irrelevant if you like them or not. Like I said I simply don't care for most console exclusives.

= those are the games 90% of console owners are playing or wanting to play. so i take it youre a strategy guy?

= those are the games 90% of console owners are playing or wanting to play. so i take it youre a strategy guy?

CZVA

It's a very sad time for gaming if what you are saying is true.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

man you guys are stubborn. fine, those games may have gotten scores a little above average but they are still not appealing, not to me and i can confidently say not for a lot of other PC owners.

with exclusive titles like Uncharted 1 and 2, MGS4, Forza 3, GT5, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2, Fight Night Round 4, Demon Souls, FF games, and much much more, how can that sorry list of mainly strategy games compare?

like i said, you cant keep using the "its only your opinion" argument every time something works to your disadvantage. consoles have a larger variety of AAA exclusives than the PC does. i really dont know how you cant fight this argument.

CZVA

I've got next to none interest in most of the games you mention. Aren't opinions fun? Actually you can keep the "its only your opinion" argument to yourself, fact is there are MUCH more PC exclusives this gen than PS3 + 360 put together. It's irrelevant if you like them or not. Like I said I simply don't care for most console exclusives.

= those are the games 90% of console owners are playing or wanting to play. so i take it youre a strategy guy?

No, I'm mostly an FPS guy. I have little time on my hands these days (full-time job, married, 1 kid), so I usually stick to a few select games that I enjoy. Currently playing L4D2, Stalker and Arma 2, only a few hours a week. I guess I'm not your typical gamer... :)

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

= those are the games 90% of console owners are playing or wanting to play. so i take it youre a strategy guy?

Mograine

It's a very sad time for gaming if what you are saying is true.

well you guys can deny all you want but ill let sales speak for itself. dont tell me hermits are this stubborn.

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

= those are the games 90% of console owners are playing or wanting to play. so i take it youre a strategy guy?

CZVA

It's a very sad time for gaming if what you are saying is true.

well you guys can deny all you want but ill let sales speak for itself. dont tell me hermits are this stubborn.

You mean you'll let the biggest grossing sector in gaming, the PC market, speak for itself. Wise move.

Nope....I will trade Uncharted 2 and Halo for any PC exclusive.

Regisland

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

= those are the games 90% of console owners are playing or wanting to play. so i take it youre a strategy guy?

CZVA

It's a very sad time for gaming if what you are saying is true.

well you guys can deny all you want but ill let sales speak for itself. dont tell me hermits are this stubborn.

Also, what is this 3 on 1? Really?AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Also, what is this 3 on 1? Really?rolo107

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Also, what is this 3 on 1? Really?rolo107

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

It's a very sad time for gaming if what you are saying is true.

Mazoch

well you guys can deny all you want but ill let sales speak for itself. dont tell me hermits are this stubborn.

No read the previous comments. Im saying the PS3 and the PC have the most exclusives. Im also saying the PS3 has better exclusives than the PC. But somehow these hermits wont give up and keep saying the PS3s exclusive lineup cant compare to the PCs 90% exclusive Strategy/RPG game lineup.

No read the previous comments. Im saying the PS3 and the PC have the most exclusives. Im also saying the PS3 has better exclusives than the PC.

CZVA

Here's the spreadsheet. It's all fact. Become aquainted with it.

Yes, Yes it is.

Now for comparision sake and going over a few of the topics

PC games are normally reviewed more harshly than the console editions. The standards are much heavier. Good example is Orange Box on 360 to PC. 360 version is rated a % higher actually...When the PC version absolutely kills the 360 one. Specifically with TF2.

Which ends up leading into this, Most console games have a hype train. The hype builds prior to release, then goes down from there. Very few games have that rolling popularity unless it is a break out hit. It is much easier for a console game than to get stuck with allot of higher scores that are regretted later on. While PC's normally don't build up to well after release in many cases. Europa Unversallias is a good example where I'm starting to see allot of love for the series years after release. Not to mention PC games also normally build in quality over time thanks to mod and community support. Console titles are more or less limited to maps...PC on the other hand. No better example than Source Engine with Counter Strike. A free mod that changed everything and became the single most popular online title of all time. Or more recently, DOTA with Warcraft III. Which is now a genre of games.

It's easy to compare the console markets to each other, but PC is a completely different beast. Most titles on consoles are successful based on their first few months which will either be the make it or break it. While a PC title can survive and be successful for years afterwards. This also brings up the biggest point, Quality. There is really no perfect time to judge a PC game outside of launch. While console titles are normally finalized at launch. PC are not. Again it is another major set back to the perceived quality of PC titles.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"][QUOTE="CZVA"]

well you guys can deny all you want but ill let sales speak for itself. dont tell me hermits are this stubborn.

CZVA

No read the previous comments. Im saying the PS3 and the PC have the most exclusives. Im also saying the PS3 has better exclusives than the PC. But somehow these hermits wont give up and keep saying the PS3s exclusive lineup cant compare to the PCs 90% exclusive Strategy/RPG game lineup.

It's all matter of opinion... so what's your point?

[QUOTE="Mazoch"][QUOTE="CZVA"]

well you guys can deny all you want but ill let sales speak for itself. dont tell me hermits are this stubborn.

CZVA

No read the previous comments. Im saying the PS3 and the PC have the most exclusives. Im also saying the PS3 has better exclusives than the PC. But somehow these hermits wont give up and keep saying the PS3s exclusive lineup cant compare to the PCs 90% exclusive Strategy/RPG game lineup.

I'd say that I have a difffrent oppinion than you. The only two PS3 exclusives I'd even spend money on are Demon Souls and Valkyria Cronicles. Aside from that, the lack of diversity in the types of games really kills it for me. If you look at the PC line up again you'd see that it's a heck of a lot more diverse than the PS3's.

With that said, your own words were: "well you guys can deny all you want but ill let sales speak for itself. dont tell me hermits are this stubborn." And so, what sales are you talking about? If you're using the sales numbers to try to support your argument of the PS3's games being better you're really just proving the opposite.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

B. Must have a development cost of at least 7-8 million otherwise is considered trash

lowe0

I can see where you'd be upset by the rest of the bullet points, but I don't understand this one. Polish matters. Now, depending on the scale of a game, 8 million can result in a really polished product (see anything made by Introversion for an example), but developing good software requires a lot of analysis and testing to get the details right, and that costs money.

To pick on my previous example: when Introversion tried to just take the core games of Darwinia and Multiwinia and make a single XBLA product out of them, MS pushed back in order to ensure a premium product (which will command a premium price relative to other XBLA titles, I'm sure). Introversion didn't like the interference, but in the end, they admit that it really did result in a superior product. See here: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=232287

When you need to compare the PC against ALL other three main platforms,you know that the PC has won.Arach666

except for mmo, i never been into pc gaming. sure i do play some pc games from time to time but nothing to brag about

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

= those are the games 90% of console owners are playing or wanting to play. so i take it youre a strategy guy?

CZVA

It's a very sad time for gaming if what you are saying is true.

well you guys can deny all you want but ill let sales speak for itself. dont tell me hermits are this stubborn.

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

well you guys can deny all you want but ill let sales speak for itself. dont tell me hermits are this stubborn.

CZVA

No read the previous comments. Im saying the PS3 and the PC have the most exclusives. Im also saying the PS3 has better exclusives than the PC. But somehow these hermits wont give up and keep saying the PS3s exclusive lineup cant compare to the PCs 90% exclusive Strategy/RPG game lineup.

[QUOTE="CZVA"]

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

It's a very sad time for gaming if what you are saying is true.

clone01

well you guys can deny all you want but ill let sales speak for itself. dont tell me hermits are this stubborn.

Although I prefer console gaming I also have been a "hardcore" pc gamer in the past. I wont go into details and "toot my own horn" SO I will just say that WOW and Crysis can only keep PC gaming going for so long. IF I had a pc that could play games these days, I would play some. BUT I dont and cant afford to mess with it. Im buying a PS3 next month. Its 300$+tax+a couple games. That is cheaper and garranteed to work. It just makes sense now days.

PC only exclusives are basically small titles, no gigantic/blockbuster game besides made by blizzard is PC only.................basically all of PC games are multiplatform with better graphics and different controls, not better controls because its subjective when it comes to different genres.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]When you need to compare the PC against ALL other three main platforms,you know that the PC has won.XanderZane

No...

....It's nothing like that. :?

PC only exclusives are basically small titles, no gigantic/blockbuster game besides made by blizzard is PC only.................basically all of PC games are multiplatform with better graphics and different controls, not better controls because its subjective when it comes to different genres.

Classic24

Yes, Yes it is.

Now for comparision sake and going over a few of the topics

PC games are normally reviewed more harshly than the console editions. The standards are much heavier. Good example is Orange Box on 360 to PC. 360 version is rated a % higher actually...When the PC version absolutely kills the 360 one. Specifically with TF2.

Which ends up leading into this, Most console games have a hype train. The hype builds prior to release, then goes down from there. Very few games have that rolling popularity unless it is a break out hit. It is much easier for a console game than to get stuck with allot of higher scores that are regretted later on. While PC's normally don't build up to well after release in many cases. Europa Unversallias is a good example where I'm starting to see allot of love for the series years after release. Not to mention PC games also normally build in quality over time thanks to mod and community support. Console titles are more or less limited to maps...PC on the other hand. No better example than Source Engine with Counter Strike. A free mod that changed everything and became the single most popular online title of all time. Or more recently, DOTA with Warcraft III. Which is now a genre of games.

It's easy to compare the console markets to each other, but PC is a completely different beast. Most titles on consoles are successful based on their first few months which will either be the make it or break it. While a PC title can survive and be successful for years afterwards. This also brings up the biggest point, Quality. There is really no perfect time to judge a PC game outside of launch. While console titles are normally finalized at launch. PC are not. Again it is another major set back to the perceived quality of PC titles.

Shinoto

exactly pc has higher standards when it comes to review if a pc game to get 90 or higher on meta critic is quite an achievement defiantly more so then a console game.

PC only exclusives are basically small titles, no gigantic/blockbuster game besides made by blizzard is PC only.................basically all of PC games are multiplatform with better graphics and different controls, not better controls because its subjective when it comes to different genres.

Classic24

Dragon age PC review:

PC owners get the most versatile and rewarding experience in this regard. You can zoom the camera in to a close third-person view when exploring and conversing with non-player characters, or pull the camera back to a tactical view, which makes it a breeze to quickly and easily micromanage every spell and attack, in true Baldur's Gate tradition

On the PC, they're particularly challenging, and many battles benefit from frequent pausing and tactical thinking, so that you can queue up attacks across your entire party. The same battles on consoles are noticeably easier.

Gears of War PC review

Furthermore, the mouse lets you turn and aim much faster than a gamepad does, which means that the mouse will probably be the control scheme of choice for online matches.

man you guys are stubborn. fine, those games may have gotten scores a little above average but they are still not appealing, not to me and i can confidently say not for a lot of other PC owners.

with exclusive titles like Uncharted 1 and 2, MGS4, Forza 3, GT5, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2, Fight Night Round 4, Demon Souls, FF games, and much much more, how can that sorry list of mainly strategy games compare?

like i said, you cant keep using the "its only your opinion" argument every time something works to your disadvantage. consoles have a larger variety of AAA exclusives than the PC does. i really dont know how you cant fight this argument.

CZVA

Well above average you mean? Stop trying to skew the English language to suit your horridly bias viewpoint.

Do you have proof they are not appealing to "not a lot of other PC owners"? No, you don't. therefore you are basing this on the fact that YOU don't like them, as an individual. Well, i'm sorry, but you account for diddly squat of the PC gaming market.

It can compare quite easily to people who play "mainly strategy games".

This whole argument is working to your disadvanatage, and your playing the "my opinion" card.