On the subject of UT3 and KB&M vs. Controller.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/13602/Epic-UT3-is-Gears-on-Crack-Cover-is-for-Wimps/

The fact still remains that KB&M is more accurate. however for a game like UT3 it really DOESNT MATTER.

heres an example. taken from that Cover is for Wimps article.

The latest issue of OXM features a six-page article on Unreal Tournament 3. More important, the preview contains the first details regarding the Xbox 360 version of the game, which both the developers and the magazine editors confirmed it is looking in its current state better than Gears of War.

In the preview, Epic Games' Steven Polge, the lead designer of Unreal Tournament 3, confirms that the Xbox 360 version of the game will support four-player co-op and two-player split-screen in the single-player campaign, which will let you take different paths depending on the decisions you take.

The preview also revealed that Unreal Tournament 3 will feature 18 vehicles and 5 types of turrets. Epic also promises "zero-time to spectacle" thanks to the hoverboard.

Regarding the controls, Polge revealed that they are so good that half the people who work on the game prefer to play the Xbox 360 version. Furthermore, the guy responsible for the controls has stepped in playtest sessions, where everyone was on keyboards, and with a controller he kicked everyone's butt.

Jerry O'Flaherty, the art director for both games, says that "Gears if a more confined game. UT is about big, huge distances. The speed of UT is so quick; it's not a walking environment, it's a running or flying environment."

Finally, Polge chipped into the discussion saying: "It's Gears on crack. Cover is for wimps!"

in conclusion. KB&M vs controller argument shouldnt be used in games that arent built around acuracy like CS. the controller is just as good for UT3.

TWO THINGS:

1. i already mentioned that KB&M is more accurate (but moot in UT3)

2. stop making up excuses. like "it was gimped" or "auto aim"

I think you can say Hermits = Pwnt! :D

doesnt really matter because im getting the 360 version and i'll be playing my butt off,while fanboys will still be here crying about which version is better.lol

TWO THINGS:

1. i already mentioned that KB&M is more accurate (but moot in UT3)

2. stop making up excuses. like "it was gimped" or "auto aim"

A-LEGEND

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itxBgzQ7T98     

Playing UT with a controller is like playing RTS with a controller.

Who cares? honestly? If you have  a pc get the pc version. If you have a 360 get the 360 version. If you have a PS3 get the ps3 version. if you have a wii :lol:

They just better release a map editor for the consoles. its been done in numerous consolke games an works very well. Much better than youd think. 

[QUOTE="A-LEGEND"]

TWO THINGS:

1. i already mentioned that KB&M is more accurate (but moot in UT3)

2. stop making up excuses. like "it was gimped" or "auto aim"

Stabby2486

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itxBgzQ7T98

Playing UT with a controller is like playing RTS with a controller.

It works way better than youd think?

I dont get hermits. I think you guys are stuck in the ps1 era where aiming sucked ass 

[QUOTE="Stabby2486"][QUOTE="A-LEGEND"]

TWO THINGS:

1. i already mentioned that KB&M is more accurate (but moot in UT3)

2. stop making up excuses. like "it was gimped" or "auto aim"

Educated_Gamer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itxBgzQ7T98

Playing UT with a controller is like playing RTS with a controller.

It works way better than youd think?

I dont get hermits. I think you guys are stuck in the ps1 era where aiming sucked ass

id put my money on raping you with KB/M so have fun with your gamepad. Theres no way in hell a gamepad fps player could compete with someone using a M/KB in an FPS game if the M/KB player has any sort of FPS experience. I played Quake 1, Quake 2, Quake 3, and Q4 competitively and I guarantee id rape any gamepad fpser.Uptown

i dont think you understand how well gamepads, particularly the 360 controller, works. PLug it in to your pc and try it. It works extremely well. And its not like we'll be facing people with m/k so its no big deal if there is a big difference 

[QUOTE="Uptown"]id put my money on raping you with KB/M so have fun with your gamepad. Theres no way in hell a gamepad fps player could compete with someone using a M/KB in an FPS game if the M/KB player has any sort of FPS experience. I played Quake 1, Quake 2, Quake 3, and Q4 competitively and I guarantee id rape any gamepad fpser.Educated_Gamer

i dont think you understand how well gamepads, particularly the 360 controller, works. PLug it in to your pc and try it. It works extremely well. And its not like we'll be facing people with m/k so its no big deal if there is a big difference

I own a 360...and i understand the gamepad....quite simply its not as FAST or as accurate as the keyboard/mouse combo....nor convenient either.   

[QUOTE="Educated_Gamer"][QUOTE="Stabby2486"][QUOTE="A-LEGEND"]

TWO THINGS:

1. i already mentioned that KB&M is more accurate (but moot in UT3)

2. stop making up excuses. like "it was gimped" or "auto aim"

Makari

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itxBgzQ7T98

Playing UT with a controller is like playing RTS with a controller.

It works way better than youd think?

I dont get hermits. I think you guys are stuck in the ps1 era where aiming sucked ass

and your point? check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkyfVepaZMQ 

big deal 

ANOTHER TWO THINGS.

1. what do RTS's have to do with anything. this is UT3. we already know KB&M is better for RTS

2. saying i bet i can kill you with KB&M doesnt show that your buff, and second stop trying to prove to yourself that the author of the article is lying about the guy who kicked everybody's but with the controller. i dont even know why this is an argument. its just information. not that the controller is better but that they are the same FOR UT3. (a game that doesnt use insane quick acuracy)

[QUOTE="Educated_Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Uptown"]id put my money on raping you with KB/M so have fun with your gamepad. Theres no way in hell a gamepad fps player could compete with someone using a M/KB in an FPS game if the M/KB player has any sort of FPS experience. I played Quake 1, Quake 2, Quake 3, and Q4 competitively and I guarantee id rape any gamepad fpser.Uptown

i dont think you understand how well gamepads, particularly the 360 controller, works. PLug it in to your pc and try it. It works extremely well. And its not like we'll be facing people with m/k so its no big deal if there is a big difference

I own a 360...and i understand the gamepad....quite simply its not as FAST or as accurate as the keyboard/mouse combo....nor convenient either.

i know that but it works extremely well. Its more convinient though. And for a game like UT, i could see a gamepad being very useful. Shooting should be a problem and all the jumping and vehicle use especially will be better with a gaempad. The gamepad is funner 

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="Educated_Gamer"][QUOTE="Stabby2486"][QUOTE="A-LEGEND"]

TWO THINGS:

1. i already mentioned that KB&M is more accurate (but moot in UT3)

2. stop making up excuses. like "it was gimped" or "auto aim"

Educated_Gamer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itxBgzQ7T98

Playing UT with a controller is like playing RTS with a controller.

It works way better than youd think?

I dont get hermits. I think you guys are stuck in the ps1 era where aiming sucked ass

and your point? check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkyfVepaZMQ

big deal

the only thing that PDZ video proves is DM in PDZ is in slow motion compared to Quake and UT

[QUOTE="Educated_Gamer"][QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="Educated_Gamer"][QUOTE="Stabby2486"][QUOTE="A-LEGEND"]

TWO THINGS:

1. i already mentioned that KB&M is more accurate (but moot in UT3)

2. stop making up excuses. like "it was gimped" or "auto aim"

Uptown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itxBgzQ7T98

Playing UT with a controller is like playing RTS with a controller.

It works way better than youd think?

I dont get hermits. I think you guys are stuck in the ps1 era where aiming sucked ass

and your point? check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkyfVepaZMQ

big deal

the only thing that PDZ video proves is DM in PDZ is in slow motion compared to Quake and UT

PDZ is pretty faced paced guy. You relize that that video is slwoed down?  PDZ has the smallest window youll ever see in a FPS- smaller than UT, QUake, etc..  Most FPS have  abullet spray, PDZ does not (meaning that the bullet is actaully bigger than its says it is)

and anyway, why would UT need accuracy? its a run and spray bullets kind of game? 

anyone who thinks that an anologe stick can compete with a mouse, with out any kind of aim assist is a fool. Denying that fact is stupidity. Why don't we wait for the game to come out and see.muscleserge

assuming that they were using auto-aim to further your fanboy needs, is also stupidity. food for thought.

anyone who thinks that an anologe stick can compete with a mouse, with out any kind of aim assist is a fool. Denying that fact is stupidity. Why don't we wait for the game to come out and see.muscleserge

They can compete but a mouse has a slight advantage (but the keyboard  will slow you down a bit).

ANd what do you mean, its not cross platform 

ANOTHER TWO THINGS.

1. what do RTS's have to do with anything. this is UT3. we already know KB&M is better for RTS

2. saying i bet i can kill you with KB&M doesnt show that your buff, and second stop trying to prove to yourself that the author of the article is lying about the guy who kicked everybody's but with the controller. i dont even know why this is an argument. its just information. not that the controller is better but that they are the same FOR UT3. (a game that doesnt use insane quick acuracy)

A-LEGEND

Regardless of the fact he owned everyone with a controller, KB/M is best in UT. Period. I could say KB/M is better for movement than analog because someone completed this trial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPeKaal9lFg) faster with a KB/M than someone did with a 360 controller. But the problem is, analog still will always be better for movement because it allows for a wider range of speeds and movements than WASD keys.

The vehicles will be much better using the 360 controller. ;)

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]anyone who thinks that an anologe stick can compete with a mouse, with out any kind of aim assist is a fool. Denying that fact is stupidity. Why don't we wait for the game to come out and see.Educated_Gamer

They can compete but a mouse has a slight advantage (but the keyboard will slow you down a bit).

ANd what do you mean, its not cross platform

[QUOTE="A-LEGEND"]

ANOTHER TWO THINGS.

1. what do RTS's have to do with anything. this is UT3. we already know KB&M is better for RTS

2. saying i bet i can kill you with KB&M doesnt show that your buff, and second stop trying to prove to yourself that the author of the article is lying about the guy who kicked everybody's but with the controller. i dont even know why this is an argument. its just information. not that the controller is better but that they are the same FOR UT3. (a game that doesnt use insane quick acuracy)

Stabby2486

Regardless of the fact he owned everyone with a controller, KB/M is best in UT. Period. I could say KB/M is better for movement than analog because someone completed this trial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPeKaal9lFg) faster with a KB/M than someone did with a 360 controller. But the problem is, analog still will always be better for movement because it allows for a wider range of speeds and movements than WASD keys.

well look. regardless of what that video shows about UT2004, or what you think, nobody has played UT3 here besides those in the article. so regardless of anyone saying it was gimped, or auto aim, or "i bet i could kill you with a KB&M?" or heres a youtube video to prove you wrong, whether anyone like it or not, and to be blunt, your all wrong.

[QUOTE="Educated_Gamer"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]anyone who thinks that an anologe stick can compete with a mouse, with out any kind of aim assist is a fool. Denying that fact is stupidity. Why don't we wait for the game to come out and see.muscleserge

They can compete but a mouse has a slight advantage (but the keyboard will slow you down a bit).

ANd what do you mean, its not cross platform

why would you have to re-aim? the reticle doesnt go back to the center of the screen. it just stays there. just like the PC version.

well look. regardless of what that video shows about UT2004, or what you think, nobody has played UT3 here besides those in the article. so regardless of anyone saying it was gimped, or auto aim, or "i bet i could kill you with a KB&M?" or heres a youtube video to prove you wrong, whether anyone like it or not, and to be blunt, your all wrong.

And? Unless they gimp or buff the controls, KB/M is always more accurate and fast.

well look. regardless of what that video shows about UT2004, or what you think, nobody has played UT3 here besides those in the article. so regardless of anyone saying it was gimped, or auto aim, or "i bet i could kill you with a KB&M?" or heres a youtube video to prove you wrong, whether anyone like it or not, and to be blunt, your all wrong.

Stabby2486

     

And? Unless they gimp or buff the controls, KB/M is always more accurate and fast.

And you know this for sure? Maybe UT3 plays slower than UT2004. I always hated driving the vehicles with the Keyboard.

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="Educated_Gamer"][QUOTE="Stabby2486"][QUOTE="A-LEGEND"]

TWO THINGS:

1. i already mentioned that KB&M is more accurate (but moot in UT3)

2. stop making up excuses. like "it was gimped" or "auto aim"

Educated_Gamer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itxBgzQ7T98

Playing UT with a controller is like playing RTS with a controller.

It works way better than youd think?

I dont get hermits. I think you guys are stuck in the ps1 era where aiming sucked ass

and your point? check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkyfVepaZMQ 

big deal 

He's good. Now, imagine being able to turn about 10x faster and get the same headshots and that is a pro CS player.

Controllers have a limit to how fast you can turn. KB/M does not.

And you know this for sure? Maybe UT3 plays slower than UT2004. I always hated driving the vehicles with the Keyboard.

Pace doesn't have anything to do with accuracy.

You said it yourself, KBM is technically more superiro than a controller. The only way that a controller would ever win is if they instituted some kind of check. Either that, or the KBM guy was sitting on his ** or was bad.Vandalvideo

There was a big showdown once with Halo: CE, one player on K/M and the other on the Xbox controller.  Both were considered pros, and no special modifications were made to accomodate the controller.

The controller guy won.  Aiming might be more accurate on a K/m in general....  but someone who is great with a controller can keep up.  Movement, however, is much more accurate on a controller.  256 speeds of movement in 256 different directions.

[QUOTE="Uptown"][QUOTE="Educated_Gamer"][QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="Educated_Gamer"][QUOTE="Stabby2486"][QUOTE="A-LEGEND"]

TWO THINGS:

1. i already mentioned that KB&M is more accurate (but moot in UT3)

2. stop making up excuses. like "it was gimped" or "auto aim"

Educated_Gamer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itxBgzQ7T98

Playing UT with a controller is like playing RTS with a controller.

It works way better than youd think?

I dont get hermits. I think you guys are stuck in the ps1 era where aiming sucked ass

and your point? check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkyfVepaZMQ

big deal

the only thing that PDZ video proves is DM in PDZ is in slow motion compared to Quake and UT

PDZ is pretty faced paced guy. You relize that that video is slwoed down? PDZ has the smallest window youll ever see in a FPS- smaller than UT, QUake, etc.. Most FPS have abullet spray, PDZ does not (meaning that the bullet is actaully bigger than its says it is)

and anyway, why would UT need accuracy? its a run and spray bullets kind of game?

I gonna laugh alot when people are gonna get owned by controller. It comes down to the person using either kb/m or controller on how good they are.gamer4life85

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You said it yourself, KBM is technically more superiro than a controller. The only way that a controller would ever win is if they instituted some kind of check. Either that, or the KBM guy was sitting on his ** or was bad.Mystikef

There was a big showdown once with Halo: CE, one player on K/M and the other on the Xbox controller.  Both were considered pros, and no special modifications were made to accomodate the controller.

The controller guy won.  Aiming might be more accurate on a K/m in general....  but someone who is great with a controller can keep up.  Movement, however, is much more accurate on a controller.  256 speeds of movement in 256 different directions.

[QUOTE="Mystikef"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You said it yourself, KBM is technically more superiro than a controller. The only way that a controller would ever win is if they instituted some kind of check. Either that, or the KBM guy was sitting on his ** or was bad.Vandalvideo

There was a big showdown once with Halo: CE, one player on K/M and the other on the Xbox controller.  Both were considered pros, and no special modifications were made to accomodate the controller.

The controller guy won.  Aiming might be more accurate on a K/m in general....  but someone who is great with a controller can keep up.  Movement, however, is much more accurate on a controller.  256 speeds of movement in 256 different directions.

All I am saying is the K/M vs. Controller is debatable.  Everyone assumes a K/M player will always dominate.  I disagree.  I think the K/M is easier to get good with quicker, but someone who has spent a lot of time with a particular controller can easily match a good K/M player.  Both have advantages and disadvantages, but one does not overpower the other.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Mystikef"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You said it yourself, KBM is technically more superiro than a controller. The only way that a controller would ever win is if they instituted some kind of check. Either that, or the KBM guy was sitting on his ** or was bad.Mystikef

There was a big showdown once with Halo: CE, one player on K/M and the other on the Xbox controller.  Both were considered pros, and no special modifications were made to accomodate the controller.

The controller guy won.  Aiming might be more accurate on a K/m in general....  but someone who is great with a controller can keep up.  Movement, however, is much more accurate on a controller.  256 speeds of movement in 256 different directions.

All I am saying is the K/M vs. Controller is debatable.  Everyone assumes a K/M player will always dominate.  I disagree.  I think the K/M is easier to get good with quicker, but someone who has spent a lot of time with a particular controller can easily match a good K/M player.  Both have advantages and disadvantages, but one does not overpower the other.

You said it yourself, KBM is technically more superiro than a controller. The only way that a controller would ever win is if they instituted some kind of check. Either that, or the KBM guy was sitting on his ** or was bad.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You said it yourself, KBM is technically more superiro than a controller. The only way that a controller would ever win is if they instituted some kind of check. Either that, or the KBM guy was sitting on his ** or was bad.killab2oo5

its not slower pacedd guys. they wouldnt do that to the series.A-LEGEND

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You said it yourself, KBM is technically more superiro than a controller. The only way that a controller would ever win is if they instituted some kind of check. Either that, or the KBM guy was sitting on his ** or was bad.Vandalvideo

Wow that's great news about how well the controller works. I have no idea why Lemmings get so excited for Halo 3 when they have this game coming out on 360. UT3 will take a dump on Halo 3 so big Master Chief will pass out from the smell. The only concern about the game was that it wouldn't control to well, but if they've nailed the controls, and have a decent single player campaign then this deserves to be a bigger game than Halo 3.NutJobJim