OUCH! Battlefield 3 just lost 34k of its preorders, and rising!

Can't say I am happy or sad about this. The people who cancelled their orders weren't smart enough to realize that it was just a beta, not a demo, and of probably the worst map in the game, and if that means they wont spoil my fun then great. On the other hand though the support with those purchases would be nice.

I saw someone switch his BF3 preorder today at Gamestop while I was picking up Rage. He had nothing but good things to say about it. Gameplay was really good, even better than CoD ever was. Graphics and sound were excellent, ect ect. He just didn't like the way classes were set up.

But people really need to understand wtf a beta is. I bet everyone who canceled it probably would've tried to play it like CoD anyway.

ChubbyGuy40

The most they will change from this beta is some minor weapon/class tweaks, and ironing out a few bugs.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

I saw someone switch his BF3 preorder today at Gamestop while I was picking up Rage. He had nothing but good things to say about it. Gameplay was really good, even better than CoD ever was. Graphics and sound were excellent, ect ect. He just didn't like the way classes were set up.

But people really need to understand wtf a beta is. I bet everyone who canceled it probably would've tried to play it like CoD anyway.

StrongDeadlift

The most they will change from this beta is some minor weapon/class tweaks, and ironing out a few bugs.

Can't say I am happy or sad about this. The people who cancelled their orders weren't smart enough to realize that it was just a beta, not a demo, and of probably the worst map in the game, and if that means they wont spoil my fun then great. On the other hand though the support with those purchases would be nice.

WiiMan21

No, they were just smart enough to wait and see if DICE fixes the game before they purchase it. You have no evidence that the map is the worst in the game, nor do you have any evidence that DICE will release a quality product. However, the beta is evidence that BF3 will be crap.

Already been proven fake.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Wouldn't be surprised, the beta is absolute trash.

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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

I saw someone switch his BF3 preorder today at Gamestop while I was picking up Rage. He had nothing but good things to say about it. Gameplay was really good, even better than CoD ever was. Graphics and sound were excellent, ect ect. He just didn't like the way classes were set up.

But people really need to understand wtf a beta is. I bet everyone who canceled it probably would've tried to play it like CoD anyway.

el3m2tigre

The most they will change from this beta is some minor weapon/class tweaks, and ironing out a few bugs.

Someone needs to update the title of the topic to "fake" or just lock it altogether since the main discussion is about something that didn't happen.

Already been proven fake.

Nothing to see here, move along.

kraken2109

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[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"] People need to understand, we arent hating on Battlefield 3 because its glitchy, we are hating on it because it is a boring snoozefest, and the core gameplay mechanics just suck. We know there are bugs, and glitches. The fact that this is a beta wont stop the overall gameplay from sucking, and overall being less interesting than other big titles like Uncharted 3, Gears 3, MW3. THAT is why people are hating on it. Not because of some bugs and hiccups.

The most they will change from this beta is some minor weapon/class tweaks, and ironing out a few bugs.

StrongDeadlift

People need to understand, we arent hating on Battlefield 3 because its glitchy, we are hating on it because it is a boring snoozefest, and the core gameplay mechanics just suck. We know there are bugs, and glitches. The fact that this is a beta wont stop the overall gameplay from sucking, and overall being less interesting than other big titles like Uncharted 3, Gears 3, MW3. THAT is why people are hating on it. Not because of some bugs and hiccups.

The most they will change from this beta is some minor weapon/class tweaks, and ironing out a few bugs.

StrongDeadlift

Too bad the gameplay is the best you'll find from a military FPS. Rush is a snoozefest when you don't have a team that knows what Rush means. Conquest is where it's at, and you guys are judging it based off a single MP mode, claiming the entire game will suck.

I see people bashing the bugs and glitches more than the actual gameplay. Must mean there's nothing wrong aside from balancing.

IMO Metro was not the best map for a beta, but the point was to troubleshoot the MP component before actual game launch, not give players a true BF experience. DICE should have made this a limited access beta earlier and then released a solid demo level this month. BFBC2 Demo was amazing, and it sold me on the game.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"] People need to understand, we arent hating on Battlefield 3 because its glitchy, we are hating on it because it is a boring snoozefest, and the core gameplay mechanics just suck. We know there are bugs, and glitches. The fact that this is a beta wont stop the overall gameplay from sucking, and overall being less interesting than other big titles like Uncharted 3, Gears 3, MW3. THAT is why people are hating on it. Not because of some bugs and hiccups.

The most they will change from this beta is some minor weapon/class tweaks, and ironing out a few bugs.

StrongDeadlift

Are you kidding? You're the first person to even mention "gameplay". The glitches and bugs is what everyone is complaining about, hell, this is THE first time you've mentioned gameplay. The gameplay is by far the smoothest compared to the games you've listed.

Well good news everyone in-game squad management is confrimed by a DICE representative in the battleog forums! Tried to link the url myself but since it is Battlelog it won't let me.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2826551518966795507/1

Obviously the people who are hating on the game haven't played or seen any Caspian Border.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]No loss, the game will roll out perfectly fine and they will pick it up anyway...Pug-Nasty

Yep, just like BC2. Oh wait, that game was flat out broken for four solid months before it got patched, and the patch never completely fixed the horrible hit detection.

Am dumbfounded. I'd assume if someone pre-ordered Battlefield 3, they really enjoyed Bad Company games( since I'm pretty sure those sold well). So if thats the case, do they really think Battlefield 3, the REAL Battlefield, is going to be a bad game? Get real. Or maybe it was a bunch of console gamers who actually thought Battlefield 3 would be comparable to PC experience. DivergeUnify

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]No loss, the game will roll out perfectly fine and they will pick it up anyway...PC360Wii

Yep, just like BC2. Oh wait, that game was flat out broken for four solid months before it got patched, and the patch never completely fixed the horrible hit detection.

I disagree. Poor hit detection is a game breaker for an online MP game, at least for me it is. I can play rock paper scissors with someone and get the same experience, for free.

Obviously the people who are hating on the game haven't played or seen any Caspian Border.

WiiMan21

I played the Caspian Border map. I got in a couple of times, but the gameplay is still hindered by the terrible netcode. That's the first, and most, important problem with the beta.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Am dumbfounded. I'd assume if someone pre-ordered Battlefield 3, they really enjoyed Bad Company games( since I'm pretty sure those sold well). So if thats the case, do they really think Battlefield 3, the REAL Battlefield, is going to be a bad game? Get real. Or maybe it was a bunch of console gamers who actually thought Battlefield 3 would be comparable to PC experience. i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Yep, just like BC2. Oh wait, that game was flat out broken for four solid months before it got patched, and the patch never completely fixed the horrible hit detection.

Pug-Nasty

I disagree. Poor hit detection is a game breaker for an online MP game, at least for me it is. I can play rock paper scissors with someone and get the same experience, for free.

Hilarious how people are so quick to defend this. If the EXACT situation happened and was with Infinity Ward instead of DICE I would bet money that most of you defending this would be laughing at COD and the COD players.

Lets face the facts they failed to properly market the beta, they did little to inform the player what they were playing and even so it is STUPID to have people play a beta that is so glitchy

Dice deserves the preorder loss, maybe next time they will communicate more

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] And yet it was very good... and sold well. hardly the same thing, pc beta was near perfect, shame about the map.PC360Wii

I disagree. Poor hit detection is a game breaker for an online MP game, at least for me it is. I can play rock paper scissors with someone and get the same experience, for free.

Oh God no it isn't. It's horrible.

Hilarious how people are so quick to defend this. If the EXACT situation happened and was with Infinity Ward instead of DICE I would bet money that most of you defending this would be laughing at COD and the COD players.

Lets face the facts they failed to properly market the beta, they did little to inform the player what they were playing and even so it is STUPID to have people play a beta that is so glitchy

Dice deserves the preorder loss, maybe next time they will communicate more

fueled-system

I have to agree with this, but the tweet was fake.

the beta was really terrible especially the grenade throwing but im still hyped for th game cant wait to get it

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Am dumbfounded. I'd assume if someone pre-ordered Battlefield 3, they really enjoyed Bad Company games( since I'm pretty sure those sold well). So if thats the case, do they really think Battlefield 3, the REAL Battlefield, is going to be a bad game? Get real. Or maybe it was a bunch of console gamers who actually thought Battlefield 3 would be comparable to PC experience. i5750at4Ghz

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I disagree. Poor hit detection is a game breaker for an online MP game, at least for me it is. I can play rock paper scissors with someone and get the same experience, for free.

Pug-Nasty

Oh God no it isn't. It's horrible.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

I disagree. Poor hit detection is a game breaker for an online MP game, at least for me it is. I can play rock paper scissors with someone and get the same experience, for free.

Pug-Nasty

Oh God no it isn't. It's horrible.

Could you give a example of your hit reg issues?

There is some instant death issue that feels like bad hitreg/lag but isn't, they are aware of it and fixed part of the problem already.

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Well fine, but BF3's hit detection is as good as it gets....PC360Wii

Oh God no it isn't. It's horrible.

I like when shots register on your target, which isn't the case in the BF3 beta, on PC or PS3. Their netcode is garbage. The subtle, constant lag translates to lousy hit detection, and an overall broken game.

Hilarious how people are so quick to defend this. If the EXACT situation happened and was with Infinity Ward instead of DICE I would bet money that most of you defending this would be laughing at COD and the COD players.

Lets face the facts they failed to properly market the beta, they did little to inform the player what they were playing and even so it is STUPID to have people play a beta that is so glitchy

Dice deserves the preorder loss, maybe next time they will communicate more

fueled-system

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Oh God no it isn't. It's horrible.

Pug-Nasty

I like when shots register on your target, which isn't the case in the BF3 beta, on PC or PS3. Their netcode is garbage. The subtle, constant lag translates to lousy hit detection, and an overall broken game.

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Whatever.... you jsut like the easy console everything hits right?BrunoBRS

I like when shots register on your target, which isn't the case in the BF3 beta, on PC or PS3. Their netcode is garbage. The subtle, constant lag translates to lousy hit detection, and an overall broken game.

Well, I did have these complaints about BC2, and it did take them months to address the issue, but they never did fix it. I'm going by DICE's recent track record here, and the state of the beta as it is. I don't see how there is anything unfair about judging a company's products based on your experience with them. It's not like people complaining are watching youtube videos and jumping on some hate bandwagon.

Also, if it takes months to sort out the problems, the beta is already a wash.

Cool. Did anyone actually think BF3 would outsell MW3?

I think I will wait for this game for a bit. Plus there are many other games to get.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]No loss, the game will roll out perfectly fine and they will pick it up anyway...Pug-Nasty

Yep, just like BC2. Oh wait, that game was flat out broken for four solid months before it got patched, and the patch never completely fixed the horrible hit detection.

so who exactly are you losing in a sitch like this? impatient crybabies that think everything sucks. it will be a better game without them.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Oh God no it isn't. It's horrible.

Pug-Nasty

I like when shots register on your target, which isn't the case in the BF3 beta, on PC or PS3. Their netcode is garbage. The subtle, constant lag translates to lousy hit detection, and an overall broken game.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Whatever.... you jsut like the easy console everything hits right?PC360Wii

I like when shots register on your target, which isn't the case in the BF3 beta, on PC or PS3. Their netcode is garbage. The subtle, constant lag translates to lousy hit detection, and an overall broken game.

Oh look the stale its your internet argument. Funny how tons of other mp games can have fine hit detection but when its "certain" games, internet connection is to blame. Didnt this get old years ago??

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Whatever.... you jsut like the easy console everything hits right?PC360Wii

I like when shots register on your target, which isn't the case in the BF3 beta, on PC or PS3. Their netcode is garbage. The subtle, constant lag translates to lousy hit detection, and an overall broken game.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

I like when shots register on your target, which isn't the case in the BF3 beta, on PC or PS3. Their netcode is garbage. The subtle, constant lag translates to lousy hit detection, and an overall broken game.

kobedaGOAT

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

I like when shots register on your target, which isn't the case in the BF3 beta, on PC or PS3. Their netcode is garbage. The subtle, constant lag translates to lousy hit detection, and an overall broken game.

kobedaGOAT

Oh look the stale its your internet argument. Funny how tons of other mp games can have fine hit detection but when its "certain" games, internet connection is to blame. Didnt this get old years ago??

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

I like when shots register on your target, which isn't the case in the BF3 beta, on PC or PS3. Their netcode is garbage. The subtle, constant lag translates to lousy hit detection, and an overall broken game.

Pug-Nasty

Well, I did have these complaints about BC2, and it did take them months to address the issue, but they never did fix it. I'm going by DICE's recent track record here, and the state of the beta as it is. I don't see how there is anything unfair about judging a company's products based on your experience with them. It's not like people complaining are watching youtube videos and jumping on some hate bandwagon.

Also, if it takes months to sort out the problems, the beta is already a wash.

The only problem with DICE's track record (patching wise) is that it's slow, despite that they are still superior to the vast majority of online games out there.
BFBC 2 is fixed and even before the hit-reg patch the game was perfectly playable as long as you compensated for the hitreg. ( tapping instead of spraying/bursting worked well. )

Furthermore the so called 'hitreg' problems shown in the youtube vid shows a instant death bug that happens frequently, the hitreg is not of low quality but it is buggy at the moment. Which isn't odd considering that it is a beta

Aside from that most FPS games start out with buggy hit detection, even CSS had issues with the hitboxes lagging behind the player.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

I like when shots register on your target, which isn't the case in the BF3 beta, on PC or PS3. Their netcode is garbage. The subtle, constant lag translates to lousy hit detection, and an overall broken game.

Pug-Nasty

Well, I did have these complaints about BC2, and it did take them months to address the issue, but they never did fix it. I'm going by DICE's recent track record here, and the state of the beta as it is. I don't see how there is anything unfair about judging a company's products based on your experience with them. It's not like people complaining are watching youtube videos and jumping on some hate bandwagon.

Also, if it takes months to sort out the problems, the beta is already a wash.

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[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Thats called your internet.... I see nothing like that. "hits dont register" ... :roll:PC360Wii

Oh look the stale its your internet argument. Funny how tons of other mp games can have fine hit detection but when its "certain" games, internet connection is to blame. Didnt this get old years ago??

Being that this is being considered a universal problem in the beta, its not his problem. Its the games problem. Your little world where shots miraculously register correctly, doesnt equate to the majority. So, yea this story isnt over until the issue is resolved.