OUCH! Battlefield 3 just lost 34k of its preorders, and rising!

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[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

Thanks for saving me the time to point out what I thought was common freaking sense.

kobedaGOAT

Is it not okay for defenders to... you know, defend?

Never implied it wasnt ok to defend. However, when going prone allows you to literally go under the map and still kill people, thats not ok. Fact is, this beta is a nightmare. One of the biggest conplaints? Addition of prone which compliments the huge amounts of glitches. You wanna know how many times bullets magically went through me while I was prone? Or how my bullets evaporated after they left the barrell cause my target was prone? The implementation of the aspect is beyond broken. Thats why is should have been left out. V

What you're complaining about are glitches, not the ability to go prone.

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

Lol at people not knowing the difference between a demo and a beta.

The vast majority of those 34K were probably Cod kids, good riddance.

StrongDeadlift

considering this beta is actually 3 weeks old since it took them 3 weeks to get it approved my M$ to put in on LIVE and that means this current build we are playing will have had 6 weeks of work by release....then yes...it can happen

It's funny people are so quick to judge based on a singlen infantry based map.caseystryker

What I find funny is the notion of trusting that DICE has fixed the game over one's own experience playing the beta.

13 pages about a a shopped tweet :|. Common sense people, they would not disclose this publicly on twitter.

13 pages about a a shopped tweet :|. Common sense people, they would not disclose this publicly on twitter.

Person0

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Is it not okay for defenders to... you know, defend?

xXDrPainXx

Never implied it wasnt ok to defend. However, when going prone allows you to literally go under the map and still kill people, thats not ok. Fact is, this beta is a nightmare. One of the biggest conplaints? Addition of prone which compliments the huge amounts of glitches. You wanna know how many times bullets magically went through me while I was prone? Or how my bullets evaporated after they left the barrell cause my target was prone? The implementation of the aspect is beyond broken. Thats why is should have been left out. V

Funny because when you read the astronomical amount of complaints about this beta you also hear how BFBC2 played much better. From a sheer gameplay aspect. That magically didnt have prone. Speaking if things being asinine, you wanna know what fits that label? Knowing an engine cant handle an aspect and foolishly expecting it to remain. But hey its been in gaming for a long long long time so that obviously has some kind of relevance in a day in age when people cry about innovation. Go figure.

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

Lol at people not knowing the difference between a demo and a beta.

The vast majority of those 34K were probably Cod kids, good riddance.

StrongDeadlift

No, but I know that their is more than just Rush on Operation Metro :|. The Beta build is weeks old, and a good portion of the bugs in it have been fixed already, and those complaining "Oh its too much like Bad Company, Call of Duty, or Medal of Honor" it is because the game is on a infantry only Rush map, wait until you play a 32 v 32 conquest map and then say it is too much like the above games. :|

I'm just going to laugh when this game comes out and it's polished to a shine and is extremely fun to play. The 5 minutes I spent on Caspian Border were all I needed to know about this game.

I don't think alot ppl realized that the single player campaign will rendered by a better engine thus will have whole new graphic presentation(with fewer destructible environment) that's what I'm looking forward to the most anyway.

I don't think alot ppl realized that the single player campaign will rendered by a better engine thus will have whole new graphic presentation(with fewer destructible environment) that's what I'm looking forward to the most anyway.

GameFan1983

Umm, the single player, multiplayer, and co-op are all rendered on the Frostbite 2.0 engine.

[QUOTE="GameFan1983"]

I don't think alot ppl realized that the single player campaign will rendered by a better engine thus will have whole new graphic presentation(with fewer destructible environment) that's what I'm looking forward to the most anyway.

Wasdie

Umm, the single player, multiplayer, and co-op are all rendered on the Frostbite 2.0 engine.

Single player is definitely rendered by an enhanced engine, the Metro lvl looked like BC2, and single player will have far fewer destructibility because of the mission structure.

That's not a beta.

It's a demo.

Beta is used to actually change gameplay and make sure by final release it has little flaws. They're not going to change anything because the game is probably already gold since it releases in a few weeks.

Maybe you should have made the demo more than one map instead of catering to the CoD players. Now that the CoD players are going back to their game, you want to cry and beg for them to come back.

Anybody actually buying that as an actual tweet? Who would ever publicly disclose something like that?

That aside, I am underwhelmed with the beta (PS3 version) but am going to hang onto my pre-order nonetheless. I'm still unsure if I'd rather have it or AC:Revelations and have awhile to make up my mind but seeing as I can't afford a rig for PC BF3, I'm leaning more favorably toward AC:Revelations.

[QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"][QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

Never implied it wasnt ok to defend. However, when going prone allows you to literally go under the map and still kill people, thats not ok. Fact is, this beta is a nightmare. One of the biggest conplaints? Addition of prone which compliments the huge amounts of glitches. You wanna know how many times bullets magically went through me while I was prone? Or how my bullets evaporated after they left the barrell cause my target was prone? The implementation of the aspect is beyond broken. Thats why is should have been left out. V

kobedaGOAT

Funny because when you read the astronomical amount of complaints about this beta you also hear how BFBC2 played much better. From a sheer gameplay aspect. That magically didnt have prone. Speaking if things being asinine, you wanna know what fits that label? Knowing an engine cant handle an aspect and foolishly expecting it to remain. But hey its been in gaming for a long long long time so that obviously has some kind of relevance in a day in age when people cry about innovation. Go figure.

Thats because the current generation of Battlefield fans never touched the original franchise so now we have this bastard child that people are loving or hating. Rush is just a ridiculous game mode that never existed until the Bad Company's, prone was always there, mods were there, people could host there own servers, no retarded Call of Duty style unlocks/leveling system and yet the original formula has been kosher for 6 years with people.

Come along the Bad Company series and the surgence of console people online we get a bastard child of a game Bad Company with no prone, no mod tools, no self hosting, no 64 players etc etc.

That's not a beta.

It's a demo.

Beta is used to actually change gameplay and make sure by final release it has little flaws. They're not going to change anything because the game is probably already gold since it releases in a few weeks.

Maybe you should have made the demo more than one map instead of catering to the CoD players. Now that the CoD players are going back to their game, you want to cry and beg for them to come back.

RobNBanks-

most childish opinion I've heard on BF3 yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGufpJYtCU0

Grawse

Fixed. This adult sounds like a child.

DICE shot themselves in the leg putting Metro as the available map. Dont get me wrong, its beautiful, and occasionally fun, but it is so damn unbalanced. Metro is IMBA for Defense all the way until the last part. seriously, the park area is sniper's heaven. Attackers have to move to cap M-Com stations, defenders can just hide in rocks and crap and snipe u away. Level needs mad balancing. then u have the entrance to the metro. I would have appreciated alternate routes into the metro rather than one small opening. Last match we won by having 4 support guys giving suppression fire whilst snipers picked off everyone one by one. thats how easy it was. When u actually get in the metro, it was a bit more fun with assualt rifles being used and stuff. the last part was my fav to be honest. finally got to see the Frost bite engines destruction 2.0 in action. Overall, im still excited for the game, i just think that DICE messed up with this beta. Oh yeah, the lack of vehicles is completely inexcusable. They deserve to lose those 34k preorders for such stupidity.II_Seraphim_II

To be honest iv been on teams that get through the first part in like 5-10 mins max. It never felt unbalance you just gatta know how to approch it. You know theres 2 holes when your going in metro right. Thats 2 differen routes.

[QUOTE="caseystryker"]It's funny people are so quick to judge based on a singlen infantry based map.i5750at4Ghz

That's what happens when you release a s***ty beta.

The game comes out, in what, two weeks? How much more can they do?

[QUOTE="RobNBanks-"]

That's not a beta.

It's a demo.

Beta is used to actually change gameplay and make sure by final release it has little flaws. They're not going to change anything because the game is probably already gold since it releases in a few weeks.

Maybe you should have made the demo more than one map instead of catering to the CoD players. Now that the CoD players are going back to their game, you want to cry and beg for them to come back.

bleehum

Back before this gen beta was used for gameplay, not to test servers...

[QUOTE="Grawse"]

most childish opinion I've heard on BF3 yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGufpJYtCU0

finalfantasy94

Fixed. This adult sounds like a child.

When gangstaz troll....8)

[QUOTE="bleehum"][QUOTE="RobNBanks-"]

That's not a beta.

It's a demo.

Beta is used to actually change gameplay and make sure by final release it has little flaws. They're not going to change anything because the game is probably already gold since it releases in a few weeks.

Maybe you should have made the demo more than one map instead of catering to the CoD players. Now that the CoD players are going back to their game, you want to cry and beg for them to come back.

RobNBanks-

Back before this gen beta was used for gameplay, not to test servers...

Key words in bold.

[QUOTE="bleehum"][QUOTE="RobNBanks-"]

That's not a beta.

It's a demo.

Beta is used to actually change gameplay and make sure by final release it has little flaws. They're not going to change anything because the game is probably already gold since it releases in a few weeks.

Maybe you should have made the demo more than one map instead of catering to the CoD players. Now that the CoD players are going back to their game, you want to cry and beg for them to come back.

RobNBanks-

Back before this gen beta was used for gameplay, not to test servers...

[QUOTE="Grawse"]

most childish opinion I've heard on BF3 yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGufpJYtCU0

finalfantasy94

Fixed. This adult sounds like a child.

This is the perfect time to say, "I told you so". With all seriousness as I have stated before, why would you release a beta that's horsecrap as a first impression? Yea the full game might be awesome but this BETA was probably someone's first time on BF. Trying to cater to COD fans makes you lose money. Plain and simple since these COD fans already know that this "rush" "quick-pace" action is done extremely well in COD already. For the record, there's no doubt in my mind those 30kish are either COD fans or those who've never played BF before but still as someone had stated before, whoever decided at DICE or EA to release "Metro" should be fired. Bad decision.

The game will still sell very well regardless, but I have to say, it's surprising (and somewhat sad) that they'd admit to that in an official announcement.

I like how people are saying "lol @ judging the game off of one map" as if we havent played battlefield before, or as if the core gameplay mechanics are going to change or something :lol:.

We have all played battlefield before guys (let alone the BF3 beta). Its not like the games core gameplay mechanics are being kept a secret ;)

The only difference this game will have to the final version is minor weapon tweaks, and maybe slightly more polished visuals (on PC. If you are playing this on consoles, you arent getting ANYTHING better than BC2, deal with it.) THATS IT.

The game will still sell very well regardless, but I have to say, it's surprising (and somewhat sad) that they'd admit to that in an official announcement.

WTA2k5

That tweet was fake dude....

I like how people are saying "lol @ judging the game off of one map" as if we havent played battlefield before, or as if the core gameplay mechanics are going to change or something :lol:.

We have all played battlefield before guys (let alone the BF3 beta). Its not like the games core gameplay mechanics are being kept a secret ;)

StrongDeadlift

I've never played a BF game before :|

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[QUOTE="Grawse"]

most childish opinion I've heard on BF3 yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGufpJYtCU0

The_Pacific

Fixed. This adult sounds like a child.

The only solid point he had was grapics and even then it doesint look horrible.

BF3 PS3 exposed LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoEaPjMJzqc&feature=channel_video_title

[QUOTE="The_Pacific"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Fixed. This adult sounds like a child.

finalfantasy94

The only solid point he had was grapics and even then it doesint look horrible.

[QUOTE="The_Pacific"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Fixed. This adult sounds like a child.

finalfantasy94

The only solid point he had was grapics and even then it doesint look horrible.

What was hilarious was that I got the BF3 advertisement right before his video started. :lol: His points are valid if you only play "rush". 'cept the graphics because they look the same as any other console game if not better than some. "Conquest" is BF and this guy seems to have never played that.

WOW! Is this the biggest preorder cancellation, ever?

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

And that's the problem. I believe the bugs will be fixed, no question. But what about fundamental gameplay mechanics, will those change? The horrendous party system, where you're just randomly put in a squad. The incredibly dumb decision of only allowing to customize options when alive. When I first installed the beta there I was customizing my controls when suddenly I'm killed and kicked off that screen. This happened a couple of times until I decided to hide and prone somewhere. How dumb is that?! And where's the comm rose?!? And where's the destruction? And now we can spawn on every team member? Where are the squad leaders? And I thought health-regen was supposed to be slower, it feels at least as fast as BC2, no use for medkits.

We're not talking about bugs they can fix, these are fundamental things. This was supposed to feel like BF2/2142 and it really doesn't.

I'm really thinking about cancelling my preorder. I don't know, I may want to hold it just to see if the final game really delivers.

Wasdie

Now here's where real beta testing comes. They've heard the compalints about Battlelog and will probably address them. They said the party system wasn't fully implemented and the squad system isn't fully implemented for the beta either. This was the positive feedback they needed and they'll probably fix that.

There is not a lot of destruction down in the metro and they even disabled a lot of the environmental destruction when you're outside due to a lot of players falling through the level. Caspian border has far more destruciton with entire buildings getting blown away. You can't relaly blow holes through the solid rock wall in a metro station.

The health regen does not work when you're in battle, apparently the entire squad system is broken and you aren't supposed to be able to spawn off of squad mates, only the leader, and there are a bunch of other things (like the comm rose) that aren't even in the beta.

I really really want to believe everything you're saying. We'll just have to wait and see. Hence the problem with pre-orders.

WOW! Is this the biggest preorder cancellation, ever?

mikeyMKII

tbh, I decided to pass on this game not because of the beta demo, but rather the ridiculous DRM that requires you to visit a web page, install browser plugin to launch the game from the web in order to play it.

This just couldn't be more anti-consumer from EA.

So thank you EA, I'll pass, there are still sane publishers out there who deserve my support.

Mystery_Writer

Maybe I'm alone on this but I really like Battlelog. I can see player and friend stats, chat with friends, see friends activity, browse servers and, the best part, launch the game straight into play without going through BS videos and clunky menus. The only issue I have with is Origin, you shouldn't need to have it in the background. Battlelog has another huge advantage people are not realizing. It allows DICE to continuously update it without requiring a game update. They can change whatever they want, from the layout to the functionality, without requiring a single game update. That's pretty good IMO.

I cancelled my pre-order as well. The map was terribly unbalanced, no vehicles, and had lots of bugs & glitches including freezing and error joining a match (and then getting a lock-up). I also had other issues with the beta like the spawn and squad.

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[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

You can blame the " old build" on the horrid shooting mechanics, awful framerate, camping due to the moronic addition of prone and the massive amount of glitches. Go right ahead and fool yourself. Thats exactly what Dice and EA wants. I was BF3 biggest supporter. Reality is, MW3 is gonna wipe the floor with it in about every aspect. Damn shame too.

i5750at4Ghz

So didn't play 1942, Vietnam, 2 or 2142 did you? Hmmm they all had prone and nobody **** and moaned back then so I don't see why now its all of a sudden a problem unless you never played the original franchise and started on the bastard child Bad Company franchise.

That's why I absolutely load Rush. It's just too focused and linear.

I saw someone switch his BF3 preorder today at Gamestop while I was picking up Rage. He had nothing but good things to say about it. Gameplay was really good, even better than CoD ever was. Graphics and sound were excellent, ect ect. He just didn't like the way classes were set up.

But people really need to understand wtf a beta is. I bet everyone who canceled it probably would've tried to play it like CoD anyway.

It grinds my gears that people release a BETA ... a BE-TA ... a β... a month before release... :|

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

And that's the problem. I believe the bugs will be fixed, no question. But what about fundamental gameplay mechanics, will those change? The horrendous party system, where you're just randomly put in a squad. The incredibly dumb decision of only allowing to customize options when alive. When I first installed the beta there I was customizing my controls when suddenly I'm killed and kicked off that screen. This happened a couple of times until I decided to hide and prone somewhere. How dumb is that?! And where's the comm rose?!? And where's the destruction? And now we can spawn on every team member? Where are the squad leaders? And I thought health-regen was supposed to be slower, it feels at least as fast as BC2, no use for medkits.

We're not talking about bugs they can fix, these are fundamental things. This was supposed to feel like BF2/2142 and it really doesn't.

I'm really thinking about cancelling my preorder. I don't know, I may want to hold it just to see if the final game really delivers.

nunovlopes

Now here's where real beta testing comes. They've heard the compalints about Battlelog and will probably address them. They said the party system wasn't fully implemented and the squad system isn't fully implemented for the beta either. This was the positive feedback they needed and they'll probably fix that.

There is not a lot of destruction down in the metro and they even disabled a lot of the environmental destruction when you're outside due to a lot of players falling through the level. Caspian border has far more destruciton with entire buildings getting blown away. You can't relaly blow holes through the solid rock wall in a metro station.

The health regen does not work when you're in battle, apparently the entire squad system is broken and you aren't supposed to be able to spawn off of squad mates, only the leader, and there are a bunch of other things (like the comm rose) that aren't even in the beta.

I really really want to believe everything you're saying. We'll just have to wait and see. Hence the problem with pre-orders.

Me and my firends played the beta (on the 360!) thats right and we tought that it wasgreat. (all of them are COD players...). Its still much better then the COD games every year.

No loss, the game will roll out perfectly fine and they will pick it up anyway...PC360Wii

Yep, just like BC2. Oh wait, that game was flat out broken for four solid months before it got patched, and the patch never completely fixed the horrible hit detection.

BF3 PS3 exposed LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoEaPjMJzqc&feature=channel_video_title

seba20007

:lol:

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