OUCH! Battlefield 3 just lost 34k of its preorders, and rising!

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

I was honestly going to buy it this month but after the beta i changed my mind and going to wait, they should have added a team death match mode

TreyoftheDead

TDM for Battlefield? Ew.

Stick to CoD, brah.

I canceled my PC preorder. Battlelog ruined it for me. They really should have just stuck with Steam.

EDIT: Also, no bots, another "drama filled" single player campaign, and the refusal to include mod tools are all suggestions that BF3 is not the return to PC roots that they promised it would be.

good they deserve it. Putting out that piece of crap.

34,000 pre-orders out of a couple million is hardly news worthy. Call me when they at least break a quater mil.

34,000 pre-orders out of a couple million is hardly news worthy. Call me when they at least break a quater mil.

MajorGamer531

No thank you.

They have no one to blame but themselves for the cancellations. You release a demo and you want to tell people how to interpret it.

Dumb.

kuu2

The tweet was fake bro. And it's kind of weird how pre-orders on amazon are actually going UP.

They have no one to blame but themselves for the cancellations. You release a demo and you want to tell people how to interpret it.

Dumb.

kuu2

You can blame the " old build" on the horrid shooting mechanics, awful framerate, camping due to the moronic addition of prone and the massive amount of glitches. Go right ahead and fool yourself. Thats exactly what Dice and EA wants. I was BF3 biggest supporter. Reality is, MW3 is gonna wipe the floor with it in about every aspect. Damn shame too.

kobedaGOAT

So didn't play 1942, Vietnam, 2 or 2142 did you? Hmmm they all had prone and nobody **** and moaned back then so I don't see why now its all of a sudden a problem unless you never played the original franchise and started on the bastard child Bad Company franchise.

[QUOTE="kuu2"]

They have no one to blame but themselves for the cancellations. You release a demo and you want to tell people how to interpret it.

Dumb.

GhoX

DICE should have kept this beta closed instead of caving in to people crying. Perhaps DICE didn't have any choice being pressured by EA.GhoX

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

You can blame the " old build" on the horrid shooting mechanics, awful framerate, camping due to the moronic addition of prone and the massive amount of glitches. Go right ahead and fool yourself. Thats exactly what Dice and EA wants. I was BF3 biggest supporter. Reality is, MW3 is gonna wipe the floor with it in about every aspect. Damn shame too.

xXDrPainXx

So didn't play 1942, Vietnam, 2 or 2142 did you? Hmmm they all had prone and nobody **** and moaned back then so I don't see why now its all of a sudden a problem unless you never played the original franchise and started on the bastard child Bad Company franchise.

Mine is still on pre-order and dont intend to cancel it.. Surely the Beta didnt meet my expectations but am sure the final game will be a blast and I'm definately gonna spend many hours gaming online :)

Will be cancelling my BF3 and putting it towards MW3. Haters gonna hate.

[QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"]

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

You can blame the " old build" on the horrid shooting mechanics, awful framerate, camping due to the moronic addition of prone and the massive amount of glitches. Go right ahead and fool yourself. Thats exactly what Dice and EA wants. I was BF3 biggest supporter. Reality is, MW3 is gonna wipe the floor with it in about every aspect. Damn shame too.

i5750at4Ghz

So didn't play 1942, Vietnam, 2 or 2142 did you? Hmmm they all had prone and nobody **** and moaned back then so I don't see why now its all of a sudden a problem unless you never played the original franchise and started on the bastard child Bad Company franchise.

Does anyone remember how bad were the GoW3 and Valkyria Chronicles demo? i honestly don't see the big fuss about this.

Passing judgement on an incomplete and obsolete version of a game? :roll:

Need I say how intelligent that is?

[QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"]

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

You can blame the " old build" on the horrid shooting mechanics, awful framerate, camping due to the moronic addition of prone and the massive amount of glitches. Go right ahead and fool yourself. Thats exactly what Dice and EA wants. I was BF3 biggest supporter. Reality is, MW3 is gonna wipe the floor with it in about every aspect. Damn shame too.

i5750at4Ghz

So didn't play 1942, Vietnam, 2 or 2142 did you? Hmmm they all had prone and nobody **** and moaned back then so I don't see why now its all of a sudden a problem unless you never played the original franchise and started on the bastard child Bad Company franchise.

Thanks for saving me the time to point out what I thought was common freaking sense.

I'm hoping this convinces them to open another map on the beta. Doubt it though.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"]

So didn't play 1942, Vietnam, 2 or 2142 did you? Hmmm they all had prone and nobody **** and moaned back then so I don't see why now its all of a sudden a problem unless you never played the original franchise and started on the bastard child Bad Company franchise.

kobedaGOAT

Thanks for saving me the time to point out what I thought was common freaking sense.

Is it not okay for defenders to... you know, defend?

I think the issue here is that betas on consoles are generally final builds without the full amount of polish, so many don't understand how a beta normally is and think it's a demo of the game. Not really anyone's fault but DICE, they should have known this would happen and released a much more polished, much more recent beta build.

[QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"]

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

You can blame the " old build" on the horrid shooting mechanics, awful framerate, camping due to the moronic addition of prone and the massive amount of glitches. Go right ahead and fool yourself. Thats exactly what Dice and EA wants. I was BF3 biggest supporter. Reality is, MW3 is gonna wipe the floor with it in about every aspect. Damn shame too.

i5750at4Ghz

So didn't play 1942, Vietnam, 2 or 2142 did you? Hmmm they all had prone and nobody **** and moaned back then so I don't see why now its all of a sudden a problem unless you never played the original franchise and started on the bastard child Bad Company franchise.

With good teamwork you can overcome that. I think the issue here is that spotting is too difficulty now. BC2 spotting would make this a non-issue really.

Passing judgement on an incomplete and obsolete version of a game? :roll:

Need I say how intelligent that is?

LORD_BLACKGULT

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Difference is in conquest you can't camp nearly as much as you can in Rush. Prone ruins rush because defenders do nothing but hide in bushes prone, which I admit is a good strat, but still extremely boring for attackers.el3m2tigre

Thanks for saving me the time to point out what I thought was common freaking sense.

Is it not okay for defenders to... you know, defend?

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Difference is in conquest you can't camp nearly as much as you can in Rush. Prone ruins rush because defenders do nothing but hide in bushes prone, which I admit is a good strat, but still extremely boring for attackers.el3m2tigre

Thanks for saving me the time to point out what I thought was common freaking sense.

Is it not okay for defenders to... you know, defend?

[QUOTE="LORD_BLACKGULT"]

Passing judgement on an incomplete and obsolete version of a game? :roll:

Need I say how intelligent that is?

stereointegrity

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

Thanks for saving me the time to point out what I thought was common freaking sense.

BrunoBRS

Is it not okay for defenders to... you know, defend?

[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

I don't understand why these people have to be described as completely ignorant. Just because they cancelled their preorder doesn't mean that they don't know what a beta is and it also doesn't mean they are CoD fanboys.

Me personally, this game was going to be a first day buy for me but now I'm just going to back off for a while before picking it up. Its not because I don't know what a beta is. Its just that I don't believe in miracles. Seriously, how can DICE fix ALL those problems in 3 weeks. And then people want to say it was an old build; well then why are they trying to test out an old build soo late in its production state?

I mean sure the map was terrible, but that isn't even what I'm basing my faults with it on. I don't like the prone system, the stopping power on the guns are rediculous, the party system is a joke and the textures are really ugly. If these are just the core mechanics of the game, beta or not, then I don't think I'm interested.

Either way, I don't feel sorry for DICE at all. If this is an "old" build then they shouldn't be surprised that people are angry. A beta is suppose to iron out bugs, and all this beta did was point out all the flaws.

If worse comes to worse then I'll just go back to BC2. Thats probably one of my favorite FPS so its all good. And that beta was great.

Wasdie

Betas are never the newest build, ever. Sony and Microsoft's content distribution would not let them put out a new version before the game even releases. They said in limbo for over a month waiting for those two to get their crap together. DICE is also not going to bother wasting time updating a beta.

This is why they need ot NOT do open betas anymore. People have absolutly no idea how they work. Open beta's of Gears and Uncharted are literally glorified demos while BF3's was a true beta, bugs and all. The word beta this gen has become the same as demo in the eyes of most people.

DICE does not need external QA to test for bugs. They have internal QA that does that. This beta was to stress test servers and get community feedback on the latest UI and battlelog implementation. The bugs will all be fixed by launch.

The betas for Gears 3 and Uncharted 3 being much more polished than the beta for BF3 is not evidence that they weren't betas, but rather it is evidence that Epic and ND are currently better developers than DICE.

I can't speak for Gears 3, but U3 has seen dramatic changes from its beta, and its beta was much more polished than BF3's.

Even if the beta is a month old build, the map geometry is still woefully bad. Furthermore, the netcode is atrocious. These are issues that BF3 shares with BC2, and those were either never caught by DICE's QA, or they were caught but DICE just didn't, or couldn't, fix them.

BF3's beta would fall more into the demo category than the betas for Gears 3 or U3, because BF3's beta released much closer to its launch. The beta is all anyone has to go on as far as seeing how the game is. The only thing else there is is DICE's propaganda regarding how awesome the game will be, and that isn't very reliable.

Cancelling preorders based on the beta not only makes sense, but is the only thing that makes sense given how bad the beta is. If DICE gets it together and fixes the issues, those people will buy the game, but giving them the benefit of the doubt doesn't seem to be a course of action that makes any sense.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Is it not okay for defenders to... you know, defend?

i5750at4Ghz

I kind of see where you're coming from, but a game that encourages thinking before acting is a good thing in my book. When people are bullet sponges, it all comes down to who's better at putting their target reticule over the head of the other player over and over again.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Is it not okay for defenders to... you know, defend?

i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"]

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

You can blame the " old build" on the horrid shooting mechanics, awful framerate, camping due to the moronic addition of prone and the massive amount of glitches. Go right ahead and fool yourself. Thats exactly what Dice and EA wants. I was BF3 biggest supporter. Reality is, MW3 is gonna wipe the floor with it in about every aspect. Damn shame too.

i5750at4Ghz

So didn't play 1942, Vietnam, 2 or 2142 did you? Hmmm they all had prone and nobody **** and moaned back then so I don't see why now its all of a sudden a problem unless you never played the original franchise and started on the bastard child Bad Company franchise.

[QUOTE="GhoX"][QUOTE="kuu2"]

They have no one to blame but themselves for the cancellations. You release a demo and you want to tell people how to interpret it.

Dumb.

i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Difference is in conquest you can't camp nearly as much as you can in Rush. Prone ruins rush because defenders do nothing but hide in bushes prone, which I admit is a good strat, but still extremely boring for attackers.el3m2tigre

Thanks for saving me the time to point out what I thought was common freaking sense.

Is it not okay for defenders to... you know, defend?

Never implied it wasnt ok to defend. However, when going prone allows you to literally go under the map and still kill people, thats not ok. Fact is, this beta is a nightmare. One of the biggest conplaints? Addition of prone which compliments the huge amounts of glitches. You wanna know how many times bullets magically went through me while I was prone? Or how my bullets evaporated after they left the barrell cause my target was prone? The implementation of the aspect is beyond broken. Thats why is should have been left out. V

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] yeah i don't get the complaints. "YOU'RE ACTING ACCORDING TO THE OBJECTIVE AND DOING YOUR JOBS WELL, STOP PLAYING IT WRONG". it's not like attackers can just, you know, kill the campers and set the charges anyway. a static target is easier to shoot than a moving one.BrunoBRS

My question to you would be how you won. Was it all brute force or stealth. Cause in my experience, the only times I've won as an attacker it's been a group of guys being super stealthy. Which again is fine, but just not my style at all. There seems to be very little room for creativity in the BF3 beta right now, but again it is only a beta. It's play this way and only this way or else you will fail. I don't like games that force my hand creatively.

then why would they release such a thing? i dont care if its just a beta its a beta that was released a few weeks before the game....im sorry but if u want people to buy ur game show off the latest build with a little amount of bugs there are people who do not kno what a beta is for and will go into the market or psn store and just download it to see what its about....they then see terrible graphics and bugs galore and will take there preorder or plan to purchase awaystereointegrity

I do not know why DICE/EA would release it. They have their own reasons of which I am not privy to.

Also, ignorace is a choice. If a consumer is ignorant to the facts of the BF3 beta, then there is not much anyone can do. They already made up their minds based on flawed data. Really, it is the consumers loss. (Provided the retail BF3 is better than the beta...)

Bad move on DICE/EA part? People can make a reasonable argument going either way. But one fact is for sure: the retail version of BF3 has yet to be played. And BF3 is well on its way to being played by millions, despite some 34k jumping to conclusions...

well, metro absoultely killed my hype, so had I preordered I'd have done the same.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

Thanks for saving me the time to point out what I thought was common freaking sense.

kobedaGOAT

Is it not okay for defenders to... you know, defend?

Never implied it wasnt ok to defend. However, when going prone allows you to literally go under the map and still kill people, thats not ok. Fact is, this beta is a nightmare. One of the biggest conplaints? Addition of prone which compliments the huge amounts of glitches. You wanna know how many times bullets magically went through me while I was prone? Or how my bullets evaporated after they left the barrell cause my target was prone? The implementation of the aspect is beyond broken. Thats why is should have been left out. V

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Huge BS in this post. I don't care how fast or crazy someone is moving, this game has turned in COD hardcore where whoever sees who first is going to get that kill regardless. Because of that fact if you try and run around as an attacker you won't get far. A camping defender is extremely difficult to counter in the beta. Even more so if the person is any good. As an attacker you have to move slowly behind cover prone always. Which may be fine for some, but for action nuts like myself that gets old very quickly.i5750at4Ghz

My question to you would be how you won. Was it all brute force or stealth. Cause in my experience, the only times I've won as an attacker it's been a group of guys being super stealthy. Which again is fine, but just not my style at all. There seems to be very little room for creativity in the BF3 beta right now, but again it is only a beta. It's play this way and only this way or else you will fail. I don't like games that force my hand creatively.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] oddly enough, i've won (and lost) about as many games with the attackers as i have with the defenders. so i call huge BS on yours "it's cheap on attackers". it would be like CoD if you could just run and gun and win. but, alas, it's not.

BrunoBRS

My question to you would be how you won. Was it all brute force or stealth. Cause in my experience, the only times I've won as an attacker it's been a group of guys being super stealthy. Which again is fine, but just not my style at all. There seems to be very little room for creativity in the BF3 beta right now, but again it is only a beta. It's play this way and only this way or else you will fail. I don't like games that force my hand creatively.

It's funny people are so quick to judge based on a singlen infantry based map.caseystryker