OUCH! Battlefield 3 just lost 34k of its preorders, and rising!

I already have the Limited Edition pre-ordered off of Newegg. Don't intend to cancel now. However, DICE really needs to fix that Metro map before release. I'm tired of people setting A on the first set of M-com stations and then falling through the floor and shooting me from under while I try to disarm the charge. That and snipers hiding in rocks are the two most annoying with the game.

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I don't understand why these people have to be described as completely ignorant. Just because they cancelled their preorder doesn't mean that they don't know what a beta is and it also doesn't mean they are CoD fanboys.

Me personally, this game was going to be a first day buy for me but now I'm just going to back off for a while before picking it up. Its not because I don't know what a beta is. Its just that I don't believe in miracles. Seriously, how can DICE fix ALL those problems in 3 weeks. And then people want to say it was an old build; well then why are they trying to test out an old build soo late in its production state?

I mean sure the map was terrible, but that isn't even what I'm basing my faults with it on. I don't like the prone system, the stopping power on the guns are rediculous, the party system is a joke and the textures are really ugly. If these are just the core mechanics of the game, beta or not, then I don't think I'm interested.

Either way, I don't feel sorry for DICE at all. If this is an "old" build then they shouldn't be surprised that people are angry. A beta is suppose to iron out bugs, and all this beta did was point out all the flaws.

If worse comes to worse then I'll just go back to BC2. Thats probably one of my favorite FPS so its all good. And that beta was great.

Wasdie

Betas are never the newest build, ever. Sony and Microsoft's content distribution would not let them put out a new version before the game even releases. They said in limbo for over a month waiting for those two to get their crap together. DICE is also not going to bother wasting time updating a beta.

This is why they need ot NOT do open betas anymore. People have absolutly no idea how they work. Open beta's of Gears and Uncharted are literally glorified demos while BF3's was a true beta, bugs and all. The word beta this gen has become the same as demo in the eyes of most people.

DICE does not need external QA to test for bugs. They have internal QA that does that. This beta was to stress test servers and get community feedback on the latest UI and battlelog implementation. The bugs will all be fixed by launch.

In all fairness Wasdie, while the intended purpose of a beta is to find bugs and squash them - the beta might as well be a demo. It's puts the product into public hands and is essentially a form of marketing in that a good beta can generate hype and a bad one can greatly diminish it.

Haven't played BF3 beta, so I make no direct comment on it's quality. I just think it's silly to diminish the potential marketing aspect of a beta. Minecraft has been in beta for ages afterall - and that has been the entirety of it's marketing. Bugs and all.

They tried to cater to COD fans with metro. Bad idea IMO.

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Oh and the console version sucked. Virtually unlplayable, huge letdown. BC2 was a blast and still is.

lucky_star

They shouldnt have made the beta. The game looked better in trailers then it did for real. you had the sales on lock. battlefield is all about tanks and planes and **** they deserve the sale loss so they learn next time not to do something like that again.

[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

I don't understand why these people have to be described as completely ignorant. Just because they cancelled their preorder doesn't mean that they don't know what a beta is and it also doesn't mean they are CoD fanboys.

Me personally, this game was going to be a first day buy for me but now I'm just going to back off for a while before picking it up. Its not because I don't know what a beta is. Its just that I don't believe in miracles. Seriously, how can DICE fix ALL those problems in 3 weeks. And then people want to say it was an old build; well then why are they trying to test out an old build soo late in its production state?

I mean sure the map was terrible, but that isn't even what I'm basing my faults with it on. I don't like the prone system, the stopping power on the guns are rediculous, the party system is a joke and the textures are really ugly. If these are just the core mechanics of the game, beta or not, then I don't think I'm interested.

Either way, I don't feel sorry for DICE at all. If this is an "old" build then they shouldn't be surprised that people are angry. A beta is suppose to iron out bugs, and all this beta did was point out all the flaws.

If worse comes to worse then I'll just go back to BC2. Thats probably one of my favorite FPS so its all good. And that beta was great.

Wasdie

Betas are never the newest build, ever. Sony and Microsoft's content distribution would not let them put out a new version before the game even releases. They said in limbo for over a month waiting for those two to get their crap together. DICE is also not going to bother wasting time updating a beta.

This is why they need ot NOT do open betas anymore. People have absolutly no idea how they work. Open beta's of Gears and Uncharted are literally glorified demos while BF3's was a true beta, bugs and all. The word beta this gen has become the same as demo in the eyes of most people.

DICE does not need external QA to test for bugs. They have internal QA that does that. This beta was to stress test servers and get community feedback on the latest UI and battlelog implementation. The bugs will all be fixed by launch.

And that's the problem. I believe the bugs will be fixed, no question. But what about fundamental gameplay mechanics, will those change? The horrendous party system, where you're just randomly put in a squad. The incredibly dumb decision of only allowing to customize options when alive. When I first installed the beta there I was customizing my controls when suddenly I'm killed and kicked off that screen. This happened a couple of times until I decided to hide and prone somewhere. How dumb is that?! And where's the comm rose?!? And where's the destruction? And now we can spawn on every team member? Where are the squad leaders? And I thought health-regen was supposed to be slower, it feels at least as fast as BC2, no use for medkits.

We're not talking about bugs they can fix, these are fundamental things. This was supposed to feel like BF2/2142 and it really doesn't.

I'm really thinking about cancelling my preorder. I don't know, I may want to hold it just to see if the final game really delivers.

They shouldnt have made the beta. The game looked better in trailers then it did for real. you had the sales on lock. battlefield is all about tanks and planes and **** they deserve the sale loss so they learn next time not to do something like that again.

Omega-316

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Lol at people not knowing the difference between a demo and a beta.

The vast majority of those 34K were probably Cod kids, good riddance.

StrongDeadlift

Uhh yeah that is what the beta is here for

Ah, the stupidity of people these days.

In all fairness Wasdie, while the intended purpose of a beta is to find bugs and squash them - the beta might as well be a demo. It's puts the product into public hands and is essentially a form of marketing in that a good beta can generate hype and a bad one can greatly diminish it.

Haven't played BF3 beta, so I make no direct comment on it's quality. I just think it's silly to diminish the potential marketing aspect of a beta. Minecraft has been in beta for ages afterall - and that has been the entirety of it's marketing. Bugs and all.

Kickinurass

Betas don't have a single purpose, they can be for whatever the QA department needs. They should NOT have made a public beta because people refuse to understand that this was another stress test and final chance for the community to speak about the UI and Battlelog and maybe do some weapon balancing.. This was not to squash bugs.

Minecraft is NOT a typical beta. Notch does not release every build of the game for external testing because he's marketed his beta as a retail game and can't get away with that.

A beta should not be used as marketing, especially when it's a real beta and not nearly representative of the final quality of the game.

And that's the problem. I believe the bugs will be fixed, no question. But what about fundamental gameplay mechanics, will those change? The horrendous party system, where you're just randomly put in a squad. The incredibly dumb decision of only allowing to customize options when alive. When I first installed the beta there I was customizing my controls when suddenly I'm killed and kicked off that screen. This happened a couple of times until I decided to hide and prone somewhere. How dumb is that?! And where's the comm rose?!? And where's the destruction? And now we can spawn on every team member? Where are the squad leaders? And I thought health-regen was supposed to be slower, it feels at least as fast as BC2, no use for medkits.

We're not talking about bugs they can fix, these are fundamental things. This was supposed to feel like BF2/2142 and it really doesn't.

I'm really thinking about cancelling my preorder. I don't know, I may want to hold it just to see if the final game really delivers.

nunovlopes

Now here's where real beta testing comes. They've heard the compalints about Battlelog and will probably address them. They said the party system wasn't fully implemented and the squad system isn't fully implemented for the beta either. This was the positive feedback they needed and they'll probably fix that.

There is not a lot of destruction down in the metro and they even disabled a lot of the environmental destruction when you're outside due to a lot of players falling through the level. Caspian border has far more destruciton with entire buildings getting blown away. You can't relaly blow holes through the solid rock wall in a metro station.

The health regen does not work when you're in battle, apparently the entire squad system is broken and you aren't supposed to be able to spawn off of squad mates, only the leader, and there are a bunch of other things (like the comm rose) that aren't even in the beta.

god the fact that they tweeted the canceling of preorders is never a good signDiviniuz

They didn't, it's a fake. No PR department is that stupid.

What I have noticed is that the true Battlefield fans were hoping for a sequel of Battlefield 2 and not Bad Company which to me this game should just be Bad Company 3 to be honest. Plays the same, relatively looks the same minus some graphical differences, same unlock system but they tacked on 64 players, planes and brought back prone.

I can't figure out the current Battlefield community it seems to be split between the original franchisce people (BF1942, BFV, BF2 and BF2142) and the people who discovered Battlefield through the lesser Bad Company franchise. The amount of people complaining about prone then going on about how it worked fine in Bad Company 2 wihtout one just boggles my mine since prone has been a part of the true series since day 1. I just don't get it.

I've played the beta whether its super old or not isn't the point I just don't feel like the original formula of the Battlefields are present in here.

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Lol at people not knowing the difference between a demo and a beta.

The vast majority of those 34K were probably Cod kids, good riddance.

StrongDeadlift

So you think the game is going to undergo massive changes within the next 3 weeks? :roll:StrongDeadlift

DICE have said it is an old build. It was posted in the sticky when it was up.

tbh, I decided to pass on this game not because of the beta demo, but rather the ridiculous DRM that requires you to visit a web page, install browser plugin to launch the game from the web in order to play it.

This just couldn't be more anti-consumer from EA.

So thank you EA, I'll pass, there are still sane publishers out there who deserve my support.

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Lol at people not knowing the difference between a demo and a beta.

The vast majority of those 34K were probably Cod kids, good riddance.

StrongDeadlift

DICE has already posted list of things they will fix for the release.

I don't care if people are cancelling. I still have two PC copies pre-ordered. :P

Could be some console gamers that have only seen PC-footage and felt disapointed when they discovered the graphics, hyped to be the best ever, were nothing special (again on console). Sushiglutton

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In all fairness Wasdie, while the intended purpose of a beta is to find bugs and squash them - the beta might as well be a demo. It's puts the product into public hands and is essentially a form of marketing in that a good beta can generate hype and a bad one can greatly diminish it.

Haven't played BF3 beta, so I make no direct comment on it's quality. I just think it's silly to diminish the potential marketing aspect of a beta. Minecraft has been in beta for ages afterall - and that has been the entirety of it's marketing. Bugs and all.

Wasdie

Betas don't have a single purpose, they can be for whatever the QA department needs. They should NOT have made a public beta because people refuse to understand that this was another stress test and final chance for the community to speak about the UI and Battlelog and maybe do some weapon balancing.. This was not to squash bugs.

Minecraft is NOT a typical beta. Notch does not release every build of the game for external testing because he's marketed his beta as a retail game and can't get away with that.

A beta should not be used as marketing, especially when it's a real beta and not nearly representative of the final quality of the game.

Thats roughly $2,040,000, beta sucked anyways they should have chosen a better map WITH vehicles. Doesn't help it reminded me of CoD sooo much

The beta is a bit of a trainwreck for certain, all it did was prove to me that Battlelog was a terrible idea. Not a fan of Metro, but Caspain is excellent, it is Battlefield through and through. My preorder stands, I won't let a crapbox beta ruin it for me yet, I'll wait for the actual game to release to render my final verdict.

All I can say is thank GOD Metro isn't the only map coming out! Hope the rest are nothing like it actually.

What I have noticed is that the true Battlefield fans were hoping for a sequel of Battlefield 2 and not Bad Company which to me this game should just be Bad Company 3 to be honest. Plays the same, relatively looks the same minus some graphical differences, same unlock system but they tacked on 64 players, planes and brought back prone.

I can't figure out the current Battlefield community it seems to be split between the original franchisce people (BF1942, BFV, BF2 and BF2142) and the people who discovered Battlefield through the lesser Bad Company franchise. The amount of people complaining about prone then going on about how it worked fine in Bad Company 2 wihtout one just boggles my mine since prone has been a part of the true series since day 1. I just don't get it.

I've played the beta whether its super old or not isn't the point I just don't feel like the original formula of the Battlefields are present in here.

xXDrPainXx

The beta is a bit of a trainwreck for certain, all it did was prove to me that Battlelog was a terrible idea. Not a fan of Metro, but Caspain is excellent, it is Battlefield through and through. My preorder stands, I won't let a crapbox beta ruin it for me yet, I'll wait for the actual game to release to render my final verdict.

All I can say is thank GOD Metro isn't the only map coming out! Hope the rest are nothing like it actually.

jer_1

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Lol at people not knowing the difference between a demo and a beta.

The vast majority of those 34K were probably Cod kids, good riddance.

StrongDeadlift

They already said its an older build (the beta).

I was honestly going to buy it this month but after the beta i changed my mind and going to wait, they should have added a team death match mode

Just cancelled my preorder and picked up Dark Souls instead. Beta was terrible....this coming from a fan of BFBC2

They tried to cater to COD fans with metro. Bad idea IMO.

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Oh and the console version sucked. Virtually unlplayable, huge letdown. BC2 was a blast and still is.

lucky_star

I've been in loads of betas this gen and i've never noticed a huge improvement in the final product especially when the game's so close to release. I haven't played much of the beta but it seemed the same as BFBC2. I think a lot of people thought the PC footage was how it would look on console.Qwark-PS-Snake

Lol at people not knowing the difference between a demo and a beta.

The vast majority of those 34K were probably Cod kids, good riddance.

Sagem28

Indeed. It is sad that consumers use betas as a demo.

[QUOTE="Qwark-PS-Snake"]I've been in loads of betas this gen and i've never noticed a huge improvement in the final product especially when the game's so close to release. I haven't played much of the beta but it seemed the same as BFBC2. I think a lot of people thought the PC footage was how it would look on console.-ArchAngeL-777-

All three of which were glorified demos.

You should have beta tested stuff back last generation when developers couldn't do in-house beta testing like they can today. Those were fun times.

They tried to cater to COD fans with metro. Bad idea IMO.

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Oh and the console version sucked. Virtually unlplayable, huge letdown. BC2 was a blast and still is.

lucky_star

People do understand the other reasons for the BETA releases too, don't they? To get feedback from the community to make the final changes? The irony behind it all, is that these individuals who have cancelled their pre-orders, will probably buy the game on its release anyway. A friend of mine did the exact thing with Gears of War 3; it's just to say "up yours" to the developers/publishers because of one slight annoyance. Temptation always wins in the end.meconate

[QUOTE="meconate"]People do understand the other reasons for the BETA releases too, don't they? To get feedback from the community to make the final changes? The irony behind it all, is that these individuals who have cancelled their pre-orders, will probably buy the game on its release anyway. A friend of mine did the exact thing with Gears of War 3; it's just to say "up yours" to the developers/publishers because of one slight annoyance. Temptation always wins in the end.WilliamRLBaker

Well they'll probably still take weapon balanacing into account. THey really wanted mass feedback on Battlelog. Already a lot of problems have been identified with Battlelog and are being fixed.

If only IW would release a beta for Mw3, now thats a beta i would spend too much time playing

If only IW would release a beta for Mw3, now thats a beta i would spend too much time playing

finalstar2007

i for one love the modern warfare series, but there is virtually no reason for them to do this. they are using the same engine and i'm sure it's already running smooth as butter. we will definitely not have to worry about the same issues as we're seeing in battlefield 3. it will be more weapon balance issues than anything i'm guessing, or maybe something else like the care package glitch.

You can blame the " old build" on the horrid shooting mechanics, awful framerate, camping due to the moronic addition of prone and the massive amount of glitches. Go right ahead and fool yourself. Thats exactly what Dice and EA wants. I was BF3 biggest supporter. Reality is, MW3 is gonna wipe the floor with it in about every aspect. Damn shame too.

I was honestly going to buy it this month but after the beta i changed my mind and going to wait, they should have added a team death match mode

finalstar2007

TDM for Battlefield? Ew.

Stick to CoD, brah.

I think the beta is what it is. I have put 20 hours into it which justifies me purchasing the game, but I do agree about metro.. I mean what are you thinking Dice? Six days left, better deploy Caspian Border and win some of those people back.

I think the beta is what it is. I have put 20 hours into it which justifies me purchasing the game, but I do agree about metro.. I mean what are you thinking Dice? Six days left, better deploy Caspian Border and win some of those people back.

CassiusGaius

Shouldn't have been an open beta for this very reason.

I bet most of them were from console gamers who never got to play Caspian Border, that map was awesome.