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Carmack: PCs not as important as consoles

ID Software's John Carmack has put out a thought that that the PC platform is not as important as the consoles. He notes that that PC sales numbers are just what they used to be in terms of games and also the PC is more like the junior partner in ID's cross platform strategy.

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As primarily a developer on the PC, few know the shifts in the industry as well as id Software. Constantly are doom-and-gloom reports about how the PC is falling to the wayside of consoles, some even blaming piracy. Carmack isn't so convinced: "Well, it's hard to second guess exactly what the reasons are. You can say piracy. You can say user migration. But the ground truth is just that the sales numbers on the PC are not what they used to be and are not what they are on the consoles."

Never is the shift from PC to console more abundantly clear than when Carmack asserts, "We still think the PC is a market worth supporting, but we're not making decision around the PC. It's probably more of the junior partner in the cross-platform strategy, although obviously, our day-to-day development is predominately on the PC."

Other sources claim that PC Gaming has been growing much faster than console gaming as well as it making in much more revenue. I guess those statements have been pure Bull all along : (

Who cares what John Carmack thinks? Hermits should only start worrying if someone like Will Wright says this.Vaasman

You obviously don't know how important Carmack is to the whole PC industry : (

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Who cares what John Carmack thinks? Hermits should only start worrying if someone like Will Wright says this.Cecil7

You obviously don't know how important Carmack is to the whole PC industry : (

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Carmack: PCs not as important as consoles

ID Software's John Carmack has put out a thought that that the PC platform is not as important as the consoles. He notes that that PC sales numbers are just what they used to be in terms of games and also the PC is more like the junior partner in ID's cross platform strategy.

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As primarily a developer on the PC, few know the shifts in the industry as well as id Software. Constantly are doom-and-gloom reports about how the PC is falling to the wayside of consoles, some even blaming piracy. Carmack isn't so convinced: "Well, it's hard to second guess exactly what the reasons are. You can say piracy. You can say user migration. But the ground truth is just that the sales numbers on the PC are not what they used to be and are not what they are on the consoles."

Never is the shift from PC to console more abundantly clear than when Carmack asserts, "We still think the PC is a market worth supporting, but we're not making decision around the PC. It's probably more of the junior partner in the cross-platform strategy, although obviously, our day-to-day development is predominately on the PC."

Other sources claim that PC Gaming has been growing much faster than console gaming as well as it making in much more revenue. I guess those statements have been pure Bull all along : (

Cecil7

Not up to console numbers? I never undsertood this, most high profile console titles only sell 1-2 million just like PC's ... but then both system types have thier megations which go 5 million +...

Its more of a case, that these shooter developers are whining about sales, because of what thye seen Halo 3 and CoD4 get..... and Unrealistically expect to earn as much as them?

Crytek whining about 2 Million sales? of a game with terrible online and steep system requirments?....

These people are not experts in the financial field.

Ironically most of the poor sales are from Ports 6 months+ later.

so tell me ID .... Quake Wars was a big failure on the consoles, whats your excuse now? "TEH PC PIRATES!111" .... or EPIC GAMES .... when PC version despite bad feedback has sold more on PC?

Oh and then theres Valve , which stated that the PC version of Orange Box sold over 3x the copies of the 360/PS3 combined despite PC gamers already having Half-life 2 ect? .... do you see them complaining?

Or STALKER selling 2 million with no advertisment?....

But without the PC, there'd be no consoles. That guy talks too much, seriouslyunholymight

Without PC's to make the games, true. But it wouldn't matter if there were no PC's for Gaming.

[QUOTE="unholymight"]But without the PC, there'd be no consoles. That guy talks too much, seriouslyCecil7

Without PC's to make the games, true. But it wouldn't matter if there were no PC's for Gaming.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Who cares what John Carmack thinks? Hermits should only start worrying if someone like Will Wright says this.Cecil7

You obviously don't know how important Carmack is to the whole PC industry : (

[QUOTE="Cecil7"]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/joh...rage,6074.html


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Carmack: PCs not as important as consoles

ID Software's John Carmack has put out a thought that that the PC platform is not as important as the consoles. He notes that that PC sales numbers are just what they used to be in terms of games and also the PC is more like the junior partner in ID's cross platform strategy.

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As primarily a developer on the PC, few know the shifts in the industry as well as id Software. Constantly are doom-and-gloom reports about how the PC is falling to the wayside of consoles, some even blaming piracy. Carmack isn't so convinced: "Well, it's hard to second guess exactly what the reasons are. You can say piracy. You can say user migration. But the ground truth is just that the sales numbers on the PC are not what they used to be and are not what they are on the consoles."

Never is the shift from PC to console more abundantly clear than when Carmack asserts, "We still think the PC is a market worth supporting, but we're not making decision around the PC. It's probably more of the junior partner in the cross-platform strategy, although obviously, our day-to-day development is predominately on the PC."

Other sources claim that PC Gaming has been growing much faster than console gaming as well as it making in much more revenue. I guess those statements have been pure Bull all along : (

muscleserge

[QUOTE="Cecil7"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Who cares what John Carmack thinks? Hermits should only start worrying if someone like Will Wright says this.Vandalvideo

You obviously don't know how important Carmack is to the whole PC industry : (

funny how everyone gets on your case if you say sumthing negative about gabe newell....irony am confirmed?

funny how everyone gets on your case if you say sumthing negative about gabe newell....irony am confirmed? II_Seraphim_II

Console gamers are ruining gaming.primateface

Consoles gamers actually buy their software, they're the ones keeping it alive.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="Cecil7"]

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Quote:
Carmack: PCs not as important as consoles

ID Software's John Carmack has put out a thought that that the PC platform is not as important as the consoles. He notes that that PC sales numbers are just what they used to be in terms of games and also the PC is more like the junior partner in ID's cross platform strategy.

Quote:
As primarily a developer on the PC, few know the shifts in the industry as well as id Software. Constantly are doom-and-gloom reports about how the PC is falling to the wayside of consoles, some even blaming piracy. Carmack isn't so convinced: "Well, it's hard to second guess exactly what the reasons are. You can say piracy. You can say user migration. But the ground truth is just that the sales numbers on the PC are not what they used to be and are not what they are on the consoles."

Never is the shift from PC to console more abundantly clear than when Carmack asserts, "We still think the PC is a market worth supporting, but we're not making decision around the PC. It's probably more of the junior partner in the cross-platform strategy, although obviously, our day-to-day development is predominately on the PC."

Other sources claim that PC Gaming has been growing much faster than console gaming as well as it making in much more revenue. I guess those statements have been pure Bull all along : (

thriteenthmonke

[QUOTE="primateface"]Console gamers are ruining gaming.Cecil7

Consoles gamers actually buy their software, they're the ones keeping it alive.

I dont think he said that..

i do remember him saying that the era of PC exclusives where over..and that every game nowadays will be multiplat because its greater profit..

Im not sure if its related for this but at Quakecon 08 Carmack even said that PC's are better for shooters and such..and most of the games they make are shooters..

but TBH i dont think carmack really said what you think he said..

[QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"][QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="Cecil7"]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/joh...rage,6074.html


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Carmack: PCs not as important as consoles

ID Software's John Carmack has put out a thought that that the PC platform is not as important as the consoles. He notes that that PC sales numbers are just what they used to be in terms of games and also the PC is more like the junior partner in ID's cross platform strategy.

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As primarily a developer on the PC, few know the shifts in the industry as well as id Software. Constantly are doom-and-gloom reports about how the PC is falling to the wayside of consoles, some even blaming piracy. Carmack isn't so convinced: "Well, it's hard to second guess exactly what the reasons are. You can say piracy. You can say user migration. But the ground truth is just that the sales numbers on the PC are not what they used to be and are not what they are on the consoles."

Never is the shift from PC to console more abundantly clear than when Carmack asserts, "We still think the PC is a market worth supporting, but we're not making decision around the PC. It's probably more of the junior partner in the cross-platform strategy, although obviously, our day-to-day development is predominately on the PC."

Other sources claim that PC Gaming has been growing much faster than console gaming as well as it making in much more revenue. I guess those statements have been pure Bull all along : (

muscleserge

Exactly, Halo 3 syndrome....

Just like World of Warcraft syndrome on the MMO front.

Oh wow, now Hermits have started trolling Quake Wars? They used to say it was AAAAAACecil7

the PC is the single highest grossing platform.Vandalvideo

Is this true though? i mean yeah, if you add the figures up from the dawn of time (or dawn of PC gaming)

Maybe what his is saying that overall, in recent times, console games are selling better? So if you took a popular multiplat game, COD4 say - how many did that sell on each platform? Maybe its selling better on console?

This is not a statement...its a query and a question.

[QUOTE="primateface"]Console gamers are ruining gaming.Cecil7

Consoles gamers actually buy their software, they're the ones keeping it alive.

bullcrap...people pirate xbox360 games all the time.

i actually bought all my pc games.

console gamers are killing gaming in general.

because the people dont even know how to pc game.

I dont think he said that..

i do remember him saying that the era of PC exclusives where over..and that every game nowadays will be multiplat because its greater profit..

Im not sure if its related for this but at Quakecon 08 Carmack even said that PC's are better for shooters and such..and most of the games they make are shooters..

but TBH i dont think carmack really said what you think he said..

Pinkyimp

EXACTLY. I just watched a 20 minute interview with Carmack on gamevideos and he really just says selling on PCs AND consoles is the best way, but the games are better on PC's. He isn't anti-PC at all. VandalVideo, you ought to watch his interview. He really isn't biased like the TC misquotes him to be.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] the PC is the single highest grossing platform.angryfodder

Is this true though? i mean yeah, if you add the figures up from the dawn of time (or dawn of PC gaming)

Maybe what his is saying that overall, in recent times, console games are selling better? So if you took a popular multiplat game, COD4 say - how many did that sell on each platform? Maybe its selling better on console?

This is not a statement...its a query and a question.

Make a good game, and I'll buy it. Seriously, PC market is always few steps ahead of console market, you can't expect a last gen game to be a hit on PC while it might be that on consoles. We've been playing these games on PC for 10 years now, that rehash crap might sell on console for a while, but eventually consolites start demanding something new as well and then these fossils will be out of luck. Or maybe they'll just move to handhelds.

And on another note, this PC-trash speak is never smart from a dev, we hermits are very sensitive, suck us up like Blizzard, Valve and Stardock do and we'll return the favor. Go the CliffyB route and your games are forever doomed on PC, no pun included.

VandalVideo, you ought to watch his interview. He really isn't biased like the TC misquotes him to be. organic_machine

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[QUOTE="primateface"]Console gamers are ruining gaming.Vandalvideo

Consoles gamers actually buy their software, they're the ones keeping it alive.

LOL, that is hilarious.

[QUOTE="Cecil7"]

[QUOTE="primateface"]Console gamers are ruining gaming.primateface

Consoles gamers actually buy their software, they're the ones keeping it alive.

bullcrap...people pirate xbox360 games all the time.

i actually bought all my pc games.

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen on xbox, but i'd say that PC piracy out numbers xbox piracy at least 10 to 1. Its just the nature of the beast.

[QUOTE="Cecil7"]

[QUOTE="primateface"]Console gamers are ruining gaming.primateface

Consoles gamers actually buy their software, they're the ones keeping it alive.

bullcrap...people pirate xbox360 games all the time.

i actually bought all my pc games.

console gamers are killing gaming in general.

because the people dont even know how to pc game.

Look at the software sales between the two...

I'm seriously thinking the Hermits don't have any real arguments.

Look at the software sales between the two...XenogearsMaster

[QUOTE="primateface"][QUOTE="Cecil7"]

[QUOTE="primateface"]Console gamers are ruining gaming.XenogearsMaster

Consoles gamers actually buy their software, they're the ones keeping it alive.

bullcrap...people pirate xbox360 games all the time.

i actually bought all my pc games.

console gamers are killing gaming in general.

because the people dont even know how to pc game.

Look at the software sales between the two...

I'm seriously thinking the Hermits don't have any real arguments.

So the 360 has a HANDFUL of 5+ million sellers, so what? so does the PC in recent years, and dont go sprouting any "SIms and WoW are not games :lol: :lol: :lol:" crap because I will reply with "then what is Halo/gears?..." .

WOTLK , Starcraft, Spore and Diablo will break 5 million each, mark my words.

Oh look, its another dinosaur of the industry who failed to adapt to the changing PC market space complaining about teh market. Waaaah Carmack, the PC is the single highest grossing platform.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Oh look, its another dinosaur of the industry who failed to adapt to the changing PC market space complaining about teh market. Waaaah Carmack, the PC is the single highest grossing platform.LOXO7

According to the PCGA, the PC accounted for 30% of the entire software sales industry, which includes over five platforms in the year 2007.Vandalvideo

again though, i'm thinking that might be a handful of PC titles shifting ALOT of software units - so a handful of companies making alot of money. Where as devs as a whole as selling more units on console?

Again this is just a theory. I just don't know why a guy would say this, if he didn't think it. What does he have to gain? unless he is a secret system wars lemming/cow? It just doen't have sense to me. He just think think this/know this to be true?

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]Look at the software sales between the two...Vandalvideo

Really? By how much?

If it did, then that's probably the best argument I've ever heard in the history of System Wars...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] According to the PCGA, the PC accounted for 30% of the entire software sales industry, which includes over five platforms in the year 2007.angryfodder

again though, i'm thinking that might be a handful of PC titles shifting ALOT of software units - so a handful of companies making alot of money. Where as devs as a whole as selling more units on console?

Again this is just a theory. I just don't know why a guy would say this, if he didn't think it. What does he have to gain? unless he is a secret system wars lemming/cow? It just doen't have sense to me. He just think think this/know this to be true?

You're right, its just a theory. The fact of the matter is that the PC has the single highest grossing platform, and has a humongous installed user base according to the PCGA and Microsoft. PC games can easily sell well, its a matter of making games that appeal to the audience.

Maybe the numbers are higher on pc but falling year by year, where as console is a lower number but increasing year by year?

Its just this is not the first report I have heard about dropping PC sales.

Maybe the numbers are higher on pc but falling year by year, where as console is a lower number but increasing year by year? Its just this is not the first report I have heard about dropping PC sales.angryfodder

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] According to the PCGA, the PC accounted for 30% of the entire software sales industry, which includes over five platforms in the year 2007.angryfodder

again though, i'm thinking that might be a handful of PC titles shifting ALOT of software units - so a handful of companies making alot of money. Where as devs as a whole as selling more units on console?

Again this is just a theory. I just don't know why a guy would say this, if he didn't think it. What does he have to gain? unless he is a secret system wars lemming/cow? It just doen't have sense to me. He just think think this/know this to be true?

Thats the thing, there is no PC Gaming market, just a 'software' market. WoW and Photoshop sales for example are included into one number.

Thats the thing, there is no PC Gaming market, just a 'software' market. WoW and Photoshop sales for example are included into one numberCecil7

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]Look at the software sales between the two...XenogearsMaster

Really? By how much?

If it did, then that's probably the best argument I've ever heard in the history of System Wars...

I remember hermits also saying Bioshock was dumbed down console trash yet they praise it when its in their favor.

Pretty desperate tactics, these PC fanlads use.

[QUOTE="Cecil7"]Thats the thing, there is no PC Gaming market, just a 'software' market. WoW and Photoshop sales for example are included into one numberVandalvideo

NPD had the proper figure of only 14% total max possible market share. PCGA is biased and uncredible.