both run microsoft software.
one is game console or enterntainment system, the other is a Personal computer (PC).
if lets say Halo 3 releases for PC and 360. who is the one at lose? the 360 or pc? or the other console that will never get it? like Sony, NES and Mac.
its funny when people dont call does game exclusive when their both running on microsoft software not on sony, nintendo, linux, or mac software.
if you dont think does are call exclusive explain.
PC & 360 Exclusive or not?
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Ther not exclusive because im not forced to buy it on 1 platform, its multiplat, PC and 360. Lets take Bioshock,
do i need a 360 to play the game? Nope its on the PC, so its nto exclusive
It depends on how the word "exclusive" is used. For example, at X06, Microsoft said that Bioshock is CONSOLE exclusive. Though they are Microsoft and they own BOTH gaming hardwares such as the PC and the Xbox 360... technically it's exclusive if it's on both :|
It's confusing, yes.
You're probably the 100th Xbox fanboy to make a thread like this.both run microsoft software.
one is game console or enterntainment system, the other is a Personal computer (PC).
if lets say Halo 3 releases for PC and 360. who is the one at lose? the 360 or pc? or the other console that will never get it? like Sony, NES and Mac.
its funny when people dont call does game exclusive when their both running on microsoft software not on sony, nintendo, linux, or mac software.
if you dont think does are call exclusive explain.beldugo
"Exclusive" means "only available on one platform". I'm sorry the Xbox 360 shares so many games with the PC, but making these threads doesn't help.
The bottom line... if you don't have to own an Xbox 360 to play a game, it's not exclusive to the Xbox 360.
Someone should sticky this, I'm tired of hearing about it.
[QUOTE="beldugo"]both run microsoft software.
one is game console or enterntainment system, the other is a Personal computer (PC).
if lets say Halo 3 releases for PC and 360. who is the one at lose? the 360 or pc? or the other console that will never get it? like Sony, NES and Mac.
its funny when people dont call does game exclusive when their both running on microsoft software not on sony, nintendo, linux, or mac software.
if you dont think does are call exclusive explain.
Dire_Weasel
You're probably the 100th Xbox fanboy to make a thread like this.
"Exclusive" means "only available on one platform". I'm sorry the Xbox 360 shares so many games with the PC, but making these threads doesn't help.
The bottom line... if you don't have to own an Xbox 360 to play a game, it's not exclusive to the Xbox 360.
Someone should sticky this, I'm tired of hearing about it.
Does Micorsoft's idea of Live anywhere, where 360 and PC gamers can play these "mulit plat" games together online bring the 2 closer?
Example: Mass Effect, coming out for Xbox 360 only.
Not everyone uses Windows to game on PC.
Games for Windows LAWL. :P
Seriously though, you're going the wrong direction with your argument - under it, no console is a ms/sony/nintendo platform.
The software engine of the game is irrelevant to who owns the platform: The Doom, Unreal and source engines run on consoles, and that doesn't make them ID/Epic/Valve platforms.
The hardware manufacturer is rather irrelevant, too, nVidia is with Sony, ATI with MS, IBM with all three of them, etcetera.
The owner the platform could be considered the company that is setting the rough direction of the platform and developing the tools, and for the PC, Microsoft would be the closest company you could have fit that description, and the Games for Windows initiative is fully intended to seize more control of the PC industry.
Not that I believe that "Microsoft" owns PC gaming, since it's too diverse and open to be owned, but it's pretty much the closest thing the platform has.
[QUOTE="beldugo"]both run microsoft software.
one is game console or enterntainment system, the other is a Personal computer (PC).
if lets say Halo 3 releases for PC and 360. who is the one at lose? the 360 or pc? or the other console that will never get it? like Sony, NES and Mac.
its funny when people dont call does game exclusive when their both running on microsoft software not on sony, nintendo, linux, or mac software.
if you dont think does are call exclusive explain.Dire_Weasel
You're probably the 100th Xbox fanboy to make a thread like this.
"Exclusive" means "only available on one platform". I'm sorry the Xbox 360 shares so many games with the PC, but making these threads doesn't help.
The bottom line... if you don't have to own an Xbox 360 to play a game, it's not exclusive to the Xbox 360.
Someone should sticky this, I'm tired of hearing about it.
you were so quiet when ps3 fanboys said that ut2k7 was console exclusive to the ps3. :(
Games for Windows LAWL. :P
Seriously though, you're going the wrong direction with your argument - under it, no console is a ms/sony/nintendo platform.
The software engine of the game is irrelevant to who owns the platform: The Doom, Unreal and source engines run on consoles, and that doesn't make them ID/Epic/Valve platforms.
The hardware manufacturer is rather irrelevant, too, nVidia is with Sony, ATI with MS, IBM with all three of them, etcetera.
The owner the platform could be considered the company that is setting the rough direction of the platform and developing the tools, and for the PC, Microsoft would be the closest company you could have fit that description, and the Games for Windows initiative is fully intended to seize more control of the PC industry.
Not that I believe that "Microsoft" owns PC gaming, since it's too diverse and open to be owned, but it's pretty much the closest thing the platform has.
Actually, games for windows is a viral marketing campaign PAID FOR by Microsoft. In no way does Microsoft earn royalties from it, and in no way does it make it a Microsoft platform. I'm going in an entirely valid direction for my arguement. I'm using Mr. Console's logic here. He says because the operating system is owned by Microsoft its a Microsoft platform. Well....no. You also need the engine and the hardware in it. Theres a huge difference between consoles and PCs. The console is manufactured by the actual company, while the PC IS NOT MANUFACTURED BY MICROSOFT. The PC is a collaboration of many different companies.
Because the PC is not considerd a console, and its primary function is not to play games, i think the game is still exclusive, because its not on the other consoles.tacomh
if a game can be played on more than one system, it's not exclusive. there is no way around it.
[QUOTE="Grive"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]The PC is not a microsoft platform. Theres no way around this fact. Even IF you are running a Microsoft OS, you are using someone else's game engine. I guess the PC platform is an ID or EPIC platform, maybe even a VALVE platform. Or what about those parts in your computer? I guess its a Kingston, AMD, NVIDIA, ATI, INTEL platform as well. The PC is a collaboration of companies. By no means does Microsoft own it. And the first person to say "Games for Windows LAWL" will get a royal beat down by facts. Be preared.Vandalvideo
Games for Windows LAWL. :P
Seriously though, you're going the wrong direction with your argument - under it, no console is a ms/sony/nintendo platform.
The software engine of the game is irrelevant to who owns the platform: The Doom, Unreal and source engines run on consoles, and that doesn't make them ID/Epic/Valve platforms.
The hardware manufacturer is rather irrelevant, too, nVidia is with Sony, ATI with MS, IBM with all three of them, etcetera.
The owner the platform could be considered the company that is setting the rough direction of the platform and developing the tools, and for the PC, Microsoft would be the closest company you could have fit that description, and the Games for Windows initiative is fully intended to seize more control of the PC industry.
Not that I believe that "Microsoft" owns PC gaming, since it's too diverse and open to be owned, but it's pretty much the closest thing the platform has.
Actually, games for windows is a viral marketing campaign PAID FOR by Microsoft. In no way does Microsoft earn royalties from it, and in no way does it make it a Microsoft platform. I'm going in an entirely valid direction for my arguement. I'm using Mr. Console's logic here. He says because the operating system is owned by Microsoft its a Microsoft platform. Well....no. You also need the engine and the hardware in it. Theres a huge difference between consoles and PCs. The console is manufactured by the actual company, while the PC IS NOT MANUFACTURED BY MICROSOFT. The PC is a collaboration of many different companies.
Other than the name on the box what in the 360 (or the PS3 or Wii for that matter) is made by Microsoft?
[QUOTE="tacomh"]Because the PC is not considerd a console, and its primary function is not to play games, i think the game is still exclusive, because its not on the other consoles.CaseyWegner
if a game can be played on more than one system, it's not exclusive. there is no way around it.
He's right, its not "exclusive". But what it is is a game that Wii owners and PS3 owners cannot play. That is good enough for me lol.
the pc is not a platform
games like Bioshock are exclusive in my eyes and their is nothing you can do that will change my mind. Reality is whatever a person conceives it to be, even if that reality is a false illusion. You guys are just wasting your time with this
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Grive"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]The PC is not a microsoft platform. Theres no way around this fact. Even IF you are running a Microsoft OS, you are using someone else's game engine. I guess the PC platform is an ID or EPIC platform, maybe even a VALVE platform. Or what about those parts in your computer? I guess its a Kingston, AMD, NVIDIA, ATI, INTEL platform as well. The PC is a collaboration of companies. By no means does Microsoft own it. And the first person to say "Games for Windows LAWL" will get a royal beat down by facts. Be preared.jbeen
Games for Windows LAWL. :P
Seriously though, you're going the wrong direction with your argument - under it, no console is a ms/sony/nintendo platform.
The software engine of the game is irrelevant to who owns the platform: The Doom, Unreal and source engines run on consoles, and that doesn't make them ID/Epic/Valve platforms.
The hardware manufacturer is rather irrelevant, too, nVidia is with Sony, ATI with MS, IBM with all three of them, etcetera.
The owner the platform could be considered the company that is setting the rough direction of the platform and developing the tools, and for the PC, Microsoft would be the closest company you could have fit that description, and the Games for Windows initiative is fully intended to seize more control of the PC industry.
Not that I believe that "Microsoft" owns PC gaming, since it's too diverse and open to be owned, but it's pretty much the closest thing the platform has.
Actually, games for windows is a viral marketing campaign PAID FOR by Microsoft. In no way does Microsoft earn royalties from it, and in no way does it make it a Microsoft platform. I'm going in an entirely valid direction for my arguement. I'm using Mr. Console's logic here. He says because the operating system is owned by Microsoft its a Microsoft platform. Well....no. You also need the engine and the hardware in it. Theres a huge difference between consoles and PCs. The console is manufactured by the actual company, while the PC IS NOT MANUFACTURED BY MICROSOFT. The PC is a collaboration of many different companies.
Other than the name on the box what in the 360 (or the PS3 or Wii for that matter) is made by Microsoft?
Everything.... 360 games pay royalties to MS.... PC games dont pay royalties to anyone.the pc is not a platform
games like Bioshock are exclusive in my eyes and their is nothing you can do that will change my mind. Reality is whatever a person conceives it to be, even if that reality is a false illusion. You guys are just wasting your time with this
RTweaponchange
yes it is. i played on one this morning. :|
[QUOTE="jbeen"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Grive"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]The PC is not a microsoft platform. Theres no way around this fact. Even IF you are running a Microsoft OS, you are using someone else's game engine. I guess the PC platform is an ID or EPIC platform, maybe even a VALVE platform. Or what about those parts in your computer? I guess its a Kingston, AMD, NVIDIA, ATI, INTEL platform as well. The PC is a collaboration of companies. By no means does Microsoft own it. And the first person to say "Games for Windows LAWL" will get a royal beat down by facts. Be preared.cobrax25
Games for Windows LAWL. :P
Seriously though, you're going the wrong direction with your argument - under it, no console is a ms/sony/nintendo platform.
The software engine of the game is irrelevant to who owns the platform: The Doom, Unreal and source engines run on consoles, and that doesn't make them ID/Epic/Valve platforms.
The hardware manufacturer is rather irrelevant, too, nVidia is with Sony, ATI with MS, IBM with all three of them, etcetera.
The owner the platform could be considered the company that is setting the rough direction of the platform and developing the tools, and for the PC, Microsoft would be the closest company you could have fit that description, and the Games for Windows initiative is fully intended to seize more control of the PC industry.
Not that I believe that "Microsoft" owns PC gaming, since it's too diverse and open to be owned, but it's pretty much the closest thing the platform has.
Actually, games for windows is a viral marketing campaign PAID FOR by Microsoft. In no way does Microsoft earn royalties from it, and in no way does it make it a Microsoft platform. I'm going in an entirely valid direction for my arguement. I'm using Mr. Console's logic here. He says because the operating system is owned by Microsoft its a Microsoft platform. Well....no. You also need the engine and the hardware in it. Theres a huge difference between consoles and PCs. The console is manufactured by the actual company, while the PC IS NOT MANUFACTURED BY MICROSOFT. The PC is a collaboration of many different companies.
Other than the name on the box what in the 360 (or the PS3 or Wii for that matter) is made by Microsoft?
Everything.... 360 games pay royalties to MS.... PC games dont pay royalties to anyone. GRR to run does PC games you need MS software. thats why its exclusive to MS. now im still waiting for someone to explain to me why do MS call BIoshock Exclusive? if its coming out for PC and 360. -.-[QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]the pc is not a platform
games like Bioshock are exclusive in my eyes and their is nothing you can do that will change my mind. Reality is whatever a person conceives it to be, even if that reality is a false illusion. You guys are just wasting your time with this
CaseyWegner
yes it is. i played on one this morning. :|
platform : a group of compatible computers that can run the same software.
sorry, but not all computers can run the same software. Thats why the pc isnt a platform but the xbox 360 is
i just closed this thread
Actually, games for windows is a viral marketing campaign PAID FOR by Microsoft. In no way does Microsoft earn royalties from it, and in no way does it make it a Microsoft platform. Vandalvideo
It's more than just marketing. They're also making it a standarization process - GfW needs compatibility with microsoft hardware (360 controller), standarizing packaging, and other things. It's definitely a bid for power from MS into the PC gaming industry, and I'm pretty sure there's a licencing/certification fee planned sometime in the future, not to mention the XBL integration.
I didn't say it made it a microsoft platform - just that it was a move ms is making to increase their control of the PC industry, and this is pretty much undebatable.
I'm going in an entirely valid direction for my arguement. I'm using Mr. Console's logic here. He says because the operating system is owned by Microsoft its a Microsoft platform. Well....no. You also need the engine and the hardware in it. Theres a huge difference between consoles and PCs. The console is manufactured by the actual company, while the PC IS NOT MANUFACTURED BY MICROSOFT. The PC is a collaboration of many different companies. Vandalvideo
The only actual difference, then, is that the PC is modular and thus you can choose exactly which of the compatible components go into your PC. It is quite a noticeable difference, yes. It still doesn't mean it's more of a collaboration of companies than consoles.
I repeat my argument: "engine" and "hardware parts manufacturer" are irrelevant when it comes to who owns the platform. And I repeat once again: I don't think MS owns PC gaming, just that they're the closest thing PC gaming has to an owner, under these reasons:
- By and large, MS has been influencing the path of PC gaming on a technical level (DirectX, XNA)
- Most PC gaming occurs under a ms platform (windows) regardless of who made the actual chip.
- MS is developing the main cohesive marketing strategy for the medium
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]the pc is not a platform
games like Bioshock are exclusive in my eyes and their is nothing you can do that will change my mind. Reality is whatever a person conceives it to be, even if that reality is a false illusion. You guys are just wasting your time with this
RTweaponchange
yes it is. i played on one this morning. :|
platform : a group of compatible computers that can run the same software.
sorry, but not all computers can run the same software. Thats why the pc isnt a platform but the xbox 360 is
i just closed this thread
thats the worst argument I have ever seen. Unless you are using a non-normalized PC, it can run all software.[QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]the pc is not a platform
games like Bioshock are exclusive in my eyes and their is nothing you can do that will change my mind. Reality is whatever a person conceives it to be, even if that reality is a false illusion. You guys are just wasting your time with this
CaseyWegner
yes it is. i played on one this morning. :|
then why are Xbox, ps3, and WII call consoles or enterntainment system? and not PCs???? we buy the PC to do our personal stuff that can be gaming, work, video editing, making games, surf the web, whatever you feel like. on consoles you are restricted to to stuff for example you cant burn a DVD. they are restricted because their not PC. now if console or plataform is not the right word for xbox,ps3 and wii then what is?[QUOTE="jbeen"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Grive"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]The PC is not a microsoft platform. Theres no way around this fact. Even IF you are running a Microsoft OS, you are using someone else's game engine. I guess the PC platform is an ID or EPIC platform, maybe even a VALVE platform. Or what about those parts in your computer? I guess its a Kingston, AMD, NVIDIA, ATI, INTEL platform as well. The PC is a collaboration of companies. By no means does Microsoft own it. And the first person to say "Games for Windows LAWL" will get a royal beat down by facts. Be preared.cobrax25
Games for Windows LAWL. :P
Seriously though, you're going the wrong direction with your argument - under it, no console is a ms/sony/nintendo platform.
The software engine of the game is irrelevant to who owns the platform: The Doom, Unreal and source engines run on consoles, and that doesn't make them ID/Epic/Valve platforms.
The hardware manufacturer is rather irrelevant, too, nVidia is with Sony, ATI with MS, IBM with all three of them, etcetera.
The owner the platform could be considered the company that is setting the rough direction of the platform and developing the tools, and for the PC, Microsoft would be the closest company you could have fit that description, and the Games for Windows initiative is fully intended to seize more control of the PC industry.
Not that I believe that "Microsoft" owns PC gaming, since it's too diverse and open to be owned, but it's pretty much the closest thing the platform has.
Actually, games for windows is a viral marketing campaign PAID FOR by Microsoft. In no way does Microsoft earn royalties from it, and in no way does it make it a Microsoft platform. I'm going in an entirely valid direction for my arguement. I'm using Mr. Console's logic here. He says because the operating system is owned by Microsoft its a Microsoft platform. Well....no. You also need the engine and the hardware in it. Theres a huge difference between consoles and PCs. The console is manufactured by the actual company, while the PC IS NOT MANUFACTURED BY MICROSOFT. The PC is a collaboration of many different companies.
Other than the name on the box what in the 360 (or the PS3 or Wii for that matter) is made by Microsoft?
Everything.... 360 games pay royalties to MS.... PC games dont pay royalties to anyone.Then why would MS continue to make games for the PC platform then if there is nothing in it for them now that they have the x box? I gotta figure they are making money somewhere or they would just stop releasing "Games for Windows" all together and consintrate on 360 games.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]the pc is not a platform
games like Bioshock are exclusive in my eyes and their is nothing you can do that will change my mind. Reality is whatever a person conceives it to be, even if that reality is a false illusion. You guys are just wasting your time with this
RTweaponchange
yes it is. i played on one this morning. :|
platform : a group of compatible computers that can run the same software.
sorry, but not all computers can run the same software. Thats why the pc isnt a platform but the xbox 360 is
i just closed this thread
In addition, I know declare ANY game that is not on another platform ( so pc doesnt count) exclusive. So let me give you an example. Alan Wake is exclusive to the 360 as is Bioshock
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Actually, games for windows is a viral marketing campaign PAID FOR by Microsoft. In no way does Microsoft earn royalties from it, and in no way does it make it a Microsoft platform. Grive
It's more than just marketing. They're also making it a standarization process - GfW needs compatibility with microsoft hardware (360 controller), standarizing packaging, and other things. It's definitely a bid for power from MS into the PC gaming industry, and I'm pretty sure there's a licencing/certification fee planned sometime in the future, not to mention the XBL integration.
I didn't say it made it a microsoft platform - just that it was a move ms is making to increase their control of the PC industry, and this is pretty much undebatable.
I'm going in an entirely valid direction for my arguement. I'm using Mr. Console's logic here. He says because the operating system is owned by Microsoft its a Microsoft platform. Well....no. You also need the engine and the hardware in it. Theres a huge difference between consoles and PCs. The console is manufactured by the actual company, while the PC IS NOT MANUFACTURED BY MICROSOFT. The PC is a collaboration of many different companies. Vandalvideo
The only actual difference, then, is that the PC is modular and thus you can choose exactly which of the compatible components go into your PC. It is quite a noticeable difference, yes. It still doesn't mean it's more of a collaboration of companies than consoles.
I repeat my argument: "engine" and "hardware parts manufacturer" are irrelevant when it comes to who owns the platform. And I repeat once again: I don't think MS owns PC gaming, just that they're the closest thing PC gaming has to an owner, under these reasons:
- By and large, MS has been influencing the path of PC gaming on a technical level (DirectX, XNA)
- Most PC gaming occurs under a ms platform (windows) regardless of who made the actual chip.
- MS is developing the main cohesive marketing strategy for the medium
Well since you're not making the arguement that Microsoft owns the platform, why repsond? I mean you aren't really refuting what I'm saying. You're merely scaling down the degree to which my arguement works. It still totally works. By the console fanboy's logic just because you use Microsoft software its a MIcrosoft platform. You use other companies in your computer as well. So by his logic its all of their platforms. Heres the funny thing. The TC is arguing against himself.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]the pc is not a platform
games like Bioshock are exclusive in my eyes and their is nothing you can do that will change my mind. Reality is whatever a person conceives it to be, even if that reality is a false illusion. You guys are just wasting your time with this
RTweaponchange
yes it is. i played on one this morning. :|
platform : a group of compatible computers that can run the same software.
sorry, but not all computers can run the same software. Thats why the pc isnt a platform but the xbox 360 is
i just closed this thread
you're being way too nitpicky.
other then their first party games, they don't make games for the PC. and they make money off of their first party games (naturally).Then why would MS continue to make games for the PC platform then if there is nothing in it for them now that they have the xbox? I gotta figure they are making money somewhere or they would just stop releasing "Games for Windows" all together and consintrate on 360 games.
jbeen
[QUOTE="RTweaponchange"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]the pc is not a platform
games like Bioshock are exclusive in my eyes and their is nothing you can do that will change my mind. Reality is whatever a person conceives it to be, even if that reality is a false illusion. You guys are just wasting your time with this
cobrax25
yes it is. i played on one this morning. :|
platform : a group of compatible computers that can run the same software.
sorry, but not all computers can run the same software. Thats why the pc isnt a platform but the xbox 360 is
i just closed this thread
thats the worst argument I have ever seen. Unless you are using a non-normalized PC, it can run all software.ummm..... no
My pc can not run cryengine 2. This engine is software but my pc can not run it. Therefore im right and your wrong.
[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="RTweaponchange"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]the pc is not a platform
games like Bioshock are exclusive in my eyes and their is nothing you can do that will change my mind. Reality is whatever a person conceives it to be, even if that reality is a false illusion. You guys are just wasting your time with this
RTweaponchange
yes it is. i played on one this morning. :|
platform : a group of compatible computers that can run the same software.
sorry, but not all computers can run the same software. Thats why the pc isnt a platform but the xbox 360 is
i just closed this thread
thats the worst argument I have ever seen. Unless you are using a non-normalized PC, it can run all software.ummm..... no
My pc can not run cryengine 2. This engine is software but my pc can not run it. Therefore im right and your wrong.
of course it can run CryEngine 2.... not neccesarilly well...but of course it can run it.... because PC parts are standardized.Please Log In to post.
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