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#152 gmastersexay
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[QUOTE="peacebringer"] [QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Console games have far greater sales than PC games. Just look at any NPD figure.

LosDaddie

but Theres still more PC gamers. 10 million xbox 360 sold. over 250 million pc worldwide capable of Half Life 2

And just how many copies of HL2 have been sold?

 pc = 4 million
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#153 McMorgue
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I di not own a 360 but I do game on my Wii, ps3 and pc so I can play bioshock without a 360 so no it is not exclusive to the 360.
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#154 RTweaponchange
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guys pc is not a platform, i already proved this on page 2 of this thread so why are we here at page 8?

why do hermits go into damage control when i post? If you have a problem go yell at every dictionary manufacturer. Unless you can change the definition of platform then the pc is not a platform i already proved this. Games like Alan Wake and Bioshock are EXCLUSIVE to the xbox 360

/thread for the last time

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#155 beldugo
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guys pc is not a platform, i already proved this on page 2 of this thread so why are we here at page 8?

why do hermits go into damage control when i post? If you have a problem go yell at every dictionary manufacturer. Unless you can change the definition of platform then the pc is not a platform i already proved this. Games like Alan Wake and Bioshock are EXCLUSIVE to the xbox 360

/thread for the last time

RTweaponchange

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-08%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=bioshock+exclusive%3F bioshock is consider exclusive even though is pc and 360 look at that link.

just posting some more facts. 

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#156 CaseyWegner
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guys pc is not a platform, i already proved this on page 2 of this thread so why are we here at page 8?

why do hermits go into damage control when i post? If you have a problem go yell at every dictionary manufacturer. Unless you can change the definition of platform then the pc is not a platform i already proved this. Games like Alan Wake and Bioshock are EXCLUSIVE to the xbox 360

/thread for the last time

RTweaponchange

stop. the pc counts in system wars just as much as the 360, ps3, and wii do. stop trying to change the premise of the forum just so you can make a point.

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#157 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]

guys pc is not a platform, i already proved this on page 2 of this thread so why are we here at page 8?

why do hermits go into damage control when i post? If you have a problem go yell at every dictionary manufacturer. Unless you can change the definition of platform then the pc is not a platform i already proved this. Games like Alan Wake and Bioshock are EXCLUSIVE to the xbox 360

/thread for the last time

beldugo

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-08%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=bioshock+exclusive%3F bioshock is consider exclusive even though is pc and 360 look at that link.

just posting some more facts. 

no. if it can be played on both the pc and the 360 then it's obviously not exclusive to either.

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[QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]

guys pc is not a platform, i already proved this on page 2 of this thread so why are we here at page 8?

why do hermits go into damage control when i post? If you have a problem go yell at every dictionary manufacturer. Unless you can change the definition of platform then the pc is not a platform i already proved this. Games like Alan Wake and Bioshock are EXCLUSIVE to the xbox 360

/thread for the last time

beldugo

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-08%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=bioshock+exclusive%3F bioshock is consider exclusive even though is pc and 360 look at that link.

just posting some more facts. 

did you even look at that first link? :|
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#159 RTweaponchange
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Cows are just mad that they cant get to play Bioshock. Sorry but its exclusive to the xbox360
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#160 CaseyWegner
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Cows are just mad that they cant get to play Bioshock. Sorry but its exclusive to the xbox360RTweaponchange

i'm a cow now? :roll:

what is a pc gamer supposed to think when you tell him that he only imagined playing bioshock because it's only available for the 360?

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#161 Teuf_
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Of course a game isn't exclusive if its on the PC and the 360.  The main point of labelling games as "exclusive" is that we seperate games that can only be played on one platform.  In other words, games that you'd have to buy the system in order to play.  If I own a PC, I don't need to buy a 360 to play games like Oblivion, Bioshock, or Allen Wake.  
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#162 Ezgam3r
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My God this is sad. Through this whole thread, lemmings have been in damage control. The topic went from "Is a PC/360 game exclusive" to "The PC wouldn't sell as many games if its on the 360". I mean WTF, if its on any other platform (which the PC IS) its NOT exclusive. A platform is "a group of compatible computers that can run the same software." The PC is a platform because its "a microcomputer designed for individual use, as by a person in an office or at home or school, for such applications as word processing, data management, financial analysis, or computer games."A video game console is a interactive entertainment computer or electronic device that manipulates the video display signal of a display device (a television, monitor, etc.) to display a game. A video game console is basically a closed PC. All the things you need in a PC is in a console. Motherboard, RAM, Processor, input device and such. All needed in both. They (were) closed off from doing anything else but to play the media they were programed to use. If you don't want to count the PC as a platform because it could do multiple things, then I guess you can't count the PS3 or 360 as a platform since they could go online, play music, watch movies, download just about anything and have hard drives, much like a PC. Stop with the damage control, except that if its on the PC and 360 its not exclusive to the 360 no matter how you spin it (this also goes to the other consoles), stop crying and move on with your life.
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#163 RTweaponchange
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My God this is sad. Through this whole thread, lemmings have been in damage control. The topic went from "Is a PC/360 game exclusive" to "The PC wouldn't sell as many games if its on the 360". I mean WTF, if its on any other platform (which the PC IS) its NOT exclusive. A platform is "a group of compatible computers that can run the same software." The PC is a platform because its "a microcomputer designed for individual use, as by a person in an office or at home or school, for such applications as word processing, data management, financial analysis, or computer games."A video game console is a interactive entertainment computer or electronic device that manipulates the video display signal of a display device (a television, monitor, etc.) to display a game. A video game console is basically a closed PC. All the things you need in a PC is in a console. Motherboard, RAM, Processor, input device and such. All needed in both. They (were) closed off from doing anything else but to play the media they were programed to use. If you don't want to count the PC as a platform because it could do multiple things, then I guess you can't count the PS3 or 360 as a platform since they could go online, play music, watch movies, download just about anything and have hard drives, much like a PC. Stop with the damage control, except that if its on the PC and 360 its not exclusive to the 360 no matter how you spin it (this also goes to the other consoles), stop crying and move on with your life.Ezgam3r

:lol: the only one in damage control is you. You are trying to control the damage that I made by posting the correct definition of a platform.

I have a pc in my house that is from 1993. It can not run the same software as the computer that I am posting from right now, do you want to know why? its because pcs arnt a platform. PC's are just that, personal computers. The hardware is completely customizable, so the result of that is more advanced software cannot run on that older hardware. Because every xbox 360 has the same motherboard, cpu, gpu and memory that makes it a platform whereas, the pc is not

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#164 Teuf_
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:lol: the only one in damage control is you. You are trying to control the damage that I made by posting the correct definition of a platform.

I have a pc in my house that is from 1993. It can not run the same software as the computer that I am posting from right now, do you want to know why? its because pcs arnt a platform. PC's are just that, personal computers. The hardware is completely customizable, so the result of that is more advanced software cannot run on that older hardware. Because every xbox 360 has the same motherboard, cpu, gpu and memory that makes it a platform whereas, the pc is not

RTweaponchange


Please, you're just playing a game of semantics and losing. No matter what ridiculous arguments you want to bring up about what the word "platform" means, you can't argue your way around the fact that you don't need a 360 to play games that are on both the 360 and PC. 
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#165 Ezgam3r
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[QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]

:lol: the only one in damage control is you. You are trying to control the damage that I made by posting the correct definition of a platform.

I have a pc in my house that is from 1993. It can not run the same software as the computer that I am posting from right now, do you want to know why? its because pcs arnt a platform. PC's are just that, personal computers. The hardware is completely customizable, so the result of that is more advanced software cannot run on that older hardware. Because every xbox 360 has the same motherboard, cpu, gpu and memory that makes it a platform whereas, the pc is not

Teufelhuhn


Please, you're just playing a game of semantics and losing. No matter what ridiculous arguments you want to bring up about what the word "platform" means, you can't argue your way around the fact that you don't need a 360 to play games that are on both the 360 and PC.

Beat me to it. No matter how many times times you try to spin it, a 360/PC is Multiplat.
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#166 Teuf_
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Beat me to it. No matter how many times times you try to spin it, a 360/PC is Multiplat. Ezgam3r


Dude, I can't stop watching that sumo wrestler video in your sig. It's hilarious.  :lol:
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#167 beldugo
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[QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]Cows are just mad that they cant get to play Bioshock. Sorry but its exclusive to the xbox360CaseyWegner

i'm a cow now? :roll:

what is a pc gamer supposed to think when you tell him that he only imagined playing bioshock because it's only available for the 360?

nobody is saying that. pc have the right to discuss whatever they want in system wars. the point of thread is exclusivity if you go to the link i posted you will see the first result is bioshock exclusive for pc and 360 Exclusive its the magic word. now if MS is wrong and other websites is wrong and you guys are right then i dont know what else to say.
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#168 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]My God this is sad. Through this whole thread, lemmings have been in damage control. The topic went from "Is a PC/360 game exclusive" to "The PC wouldn't sell as many games if its on the 360". I mean WTF, if its on any other platform (which the PC IS) its NOT exclusive. A platform is "a group of compatible computers that can run the same software." The PC is a platform because its "a microcomputer designed for individual use, as by a person in an office or at home or school, for such applications as word processing, data management, financial analysis, or computer games."A video game console is a interactive entertainment computer or electronic device that manipulates the video display signal of a display device (a television, monitor, etc.) to display a game. A video game console is basically a closed PC. All the things you need in a PC is in a console. Motherboard, RAM, Processor, input device and such. All needed in both. They (were) closed off from doing anything else but to play the media they were programed to use. If you don't want to count the PC as a platform because it could do multiple things, then I guess you can't count the PS3 or 360 as a platform since they could go online, play music, watch movies, download just about anything and have hard drives, much like a PC. Stop with the damage control, except that if its on the PC and 360 its not exclusive to the 360 no matter how you spin it (this also goes to the other consoles), stop crying and move on with your life.RTweaponchange

:lol: the only one in damage control is you. You are trying to control the damage that I made by posting the correct definition of a platform.

I have a pc in my house that is from 1993. It can not run the same software as the computer that I am posting from right now, do you want to know why? its because pcs arnt a platform. PC's are just that, personal computers. The hardware is completely customizable, so the result of that is more advanced software cannot run on that older hardware. Because every xbox 360 has the same motherboard, cpu, gpu and memory that makes it a platform whereas, the pc is not

you're letting some rigid definition of a word get in the way of what people are talking about. in these forums, the pc is considered a platform.

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[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Beat me to it. No matter how many times times you try to spin it, a 360/PC is Multiplat. Teufelhuhn


Dude, I can't stop watching that sumo wrestler video in your sig. It's hilarious. :lol:

Yea I know! I still can't figure out why at the end the dude uses a flying headbutt move though. Funny nevertheless :lol:
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#170 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="RTweaponchange"]Cows are just mad that they cant get to play Bioshock. Sorry but its exclusive to the xbox360beldugo

i'm a cow now? :roll:

what is a pc gamer supposed to think when you tell him that he only imagined playing bioshock because it's only available for the 360?

nobody is saying that. pc have the right to discuss whatever they want in system wars. the point of thread is exclusivity if you go to the link i posted you will see the first result is bioshock exclusive for pc and 360 Exclusive its the magic word. now if MS is wrong and other websites is wrong and you guys are right then i dont know what else to say.

it doesn't mean they can individually be referred to as exclusive. :|

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#171 beldugo
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[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Beat me to it. No matter how many times times you try to spin it, a 360/PC is Multiplat. Teufelhuhn


Dude, I can't stop watching that sumo wrestler video in your sig. It's hilarious.  :lol:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M4RqIk1ss1M that same guy that made that sumo wrestling made this. ;b he has a link to his website when you click his name. check it out he has some other hot videos like these.
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#172 the-very-best
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No, it's not exclusive.

If it is on any other platform it cannot be considered exclusive.

People say it doesn't matter that most 360 games are also on PC but most Xbox games were also on PC. It's a major reason the Xbox was less preferred than the PS2.

I think MS need to work harder to secure games solely for the 360 and I think they've done a good job so far but they need to work harder. Gears, Banjo, Kameo, PGR, Forza, Mass Effect are all good (and in some cases upcoming) exclusives imo.
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#173 xX0LDSCH00LXx
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The PC is not a microsoft platform. Theres no way around this fact. Even IF you are running a Microsoft OS, you are using someone else's game engine. I guess the PC platform is an ID or EPIC platform, maybe even a VALVE platform. Or what about those parts in your computer? I guess its a Kingston, AMD, NVIDIA, ATI, INTEL platform as well. The PC is a collaboration of companies. By no means does Microsoft own it. And the first person to say "Games for Windows LAWL" will get a royal beat down by facts. Be preared.Vandalvideo
You dont make any sense
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#174 beldugo
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No, it's not exclusive.

If it is on any other platform it cannot be considered exclusive.

People say it doesn't matter that most 360 games are also on PC but most Xbox games were also on PC. It's a major reason the Xbox was less preferred than the PS2.

I think MS need to work harder to secure games solely for the 360 and I think they've done a good job so far but they need to work harder. Gears, Banjo, Kameo, PGR, Forza, Mass Effect are all good (and in some cases upcoming) exclusives imo.
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your wrong.. i didnt like xbox 1 because they didnt have that many rpgs and fighting games not because they share pc games. thats the love of my life rpgs and fighting games. with a console it all comes down to the game with 360 they have the games so it gets purchase. back on topic if the software been use to play the game is needed then that application is exclusive to that software. windows and 360 run the same software.. even though they dont get $ from the windows game they still get money because we are purchasing windows. in the end the game is exclusive to MS. therefore their is windows exclusive and 360 exclusive. if its windows and Mac is not exclusive, if its ps3 and 360 is not exclusive. bioshock, masseffect and all of does are MS exclusive games.
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#175 xX0LDSCH00LXx
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No, it's not exclusive.

If it is on any other platform it cannot be considered exclusive.

People say it doesn't matter that most 360 games are also on PC but most Xbox games were also on PC. It's a major reason the Xbox was less preferred than the PS2.

I think MS need to work harder to secure games solely for the 360 and I think they've done a good job so far but they need to work harder. Gears, Banjo, Kameo, PGR, Forza, Mass Effect are all good (and in some cases upcoming) exclusives imo.
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"People say it doesn't matter that most 360 games are also on PC but most Xbox games were also on PC. It's a major reason the Xbox was less preferred than the PS2."

 Thats garbage! The only reason people prefered the PS2 over the XBOX was "MORE GAMES" remember the old PS2 arguement? Im sure everyone else does!

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#176 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]No, it's not exclusive.

If it is on any other platform it cannot be considered exclusive.

People say it doesn't matter that most 360 games are also on PC but most Xbox games were also on PC. It's a major reason the Xbox was less preferred than the PS2.

I think MS need to work harder to secure games solely for the 360 and I think they've done a good job so far but they need to work harder. Gears, Banjo, Kameo, PGR, Forza, Mass Effect are all good (and in some cases upcoming) exclusives imo.
beldugo
your wrong.. i didnt like xbox 1 because they didnt have that many rpgs and fighting games not because they share pc games. thats the love of my life rpgs and fighting games. with a console it all comes down to the game with 360 they have the games so it gets purchase. back on topic if the software been use to play the game is needed then that application is exclusive to that software. windows and 360 run the same software.. even though they dont get $ from the windows game they still get money because we are purchasing windows. in the end the game is exclusive to MS. therefore their is windows exclusive and 360 exclusive. if its windows and Mac is not exclusive, if its ps3 and 360 is not exclusive. bioshock, masseffect and all of does are MS exclusive games.

In that case the game is also exclusive to ID, Epic, Valve, Nivida, Craetive, etc. Its the same logic. By no measure is the PC a Microsoft platform.
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#177 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]No, it's not exclusive.

If it is on any other platform it cannot be considered exclusive.

People say it doesn't matter that most 360 games are also on PC but most Xbox games were also on PC. It's a major reason the Xbox was less preferred than the PS2.

I think MS need to work harder to secure games solely for the 360 and I think they've done a good job so far but they need to work harder. Gears, Banjo, Kameo, PGR, Forza, Mass Effect are all good (and in some cases upcoming) exclusives imo.
beldugo
your wrong.. i didnt like xbox 1 because they didnt have that many rpgs and fighting games not because they share pc games. thats the love of my life rpgs and fighting games. with a console it all comes down to the game with 360 they have the games so it gets purchase. back on topic if the software been use to play the game is needed then that application is exclusive to that software. windows and 360 run the same software.. even though they dont get $ from the windows game they still get money because we are purchasing windows. in the end the game is exclusive to MS. therefore their is windows exclusive and 360 exclusive. if its windows and Mac is not exclusive, if its ps3 and 360 is not exclusive. bioshock, masseffect and all of does are MS exclusive games.

the pc and 360 are seperate systems. there's no way around it. you can't put a 360 game into a computer and expect it to work nor can you put a pc game into a 360 and expect it to work. just because pcs use windows as an operating system doesn't mean that 360/pc multiplats are microsoft exclusives.

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#178 beldugo
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[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]No, it's not exclusive.

If it is on any other platform it cannot be considered exclusive.

People say it doesn't matter that most 360 games are also on PC but most Xbox games were also on PC. It's a major reason the Xbox was less preferred than the PS2.

I think MS need to work harder to secure games solely for the 360 and I think they've done a good job so far but they need to work harder. Gears, Banjo, Kameo, PGR, Forza, Mass Effect are all good (and in some cases upcoming) exclusives imo.
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your wrong.. i didnt like xbox 1 because they didnt have that many rpgs and fighting games not because they share pc games. thats the love of my life rpgs and fighting games. with a console it all comes down to the game with 360 they have the games so it gets purchase. back on topic if the software been use to play the game is needed then that application is exclusive to that software. windows and 360 run the same software.. even though they dont get $ from the windows game they still get money because we are purchasing windows. in the end the game is exclusive to MS. therefore their is windows exclusive and 360 exclusive. if its windows and Mac is not exclusive, if its ps3 and 360 is not exclusive. bioshock, masseffect and all of does are MS exclusive games.

In that case the game is also exclusive to ID, Epic, Valve, Nivida, Craetive, etc. Its the same logic. By no measure is the PC a Microsoft platform.

geez man lol.. lets say im the producer/owner/big dude for Half Life and your the producer for Halo. bungie cant make half life therefore is exclusive to my company, but i made my game to be exclusive to windows. regarding console i will port it to 360 only. so my game will be a microsoft exclusive. do you understand?
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#181 TrueReligion_
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If it's on PC and 360, it is not an exclusive. Microsoft does not own the PC.
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#182 Vandalvideo
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Beldugo: Yes, your saying because the Operating system is microsoft, its exclusive to that software because thats the software it uses. Ok then, lets use your logic as a precedent. You need the game engines from various companies and the drivers from certain companies to run those games. By your precedent, that means its exclusive to those as well. I'm saying using your logic, the PC is also a Creative platform, an nvidia platform, epic platform, ID platform, etc.
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#183 dru26
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The Vista/Xbox Live connection will I gather ,erase all exclusives to the Xbox 360, in the future? I always thought the system war was designated between Sony, MS, and Nintendo.. I want to play games in my living room, not behind a monitor in my office. Is this rediculous thread just to prove that Sony has more "exclusives" ?
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#184 Vandalvideo
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The Vista/Xbox Live connection will I gather ,erase all exclusives to the Xbox 360, in the future? I always thought the system war was designated between Sony, MS, and Nintendo.. I want to play games in my living room, not behind a monitor in my office. Is this rediculous thread just to prove that Sony has more "exclusives" ?dru26
Please don't be implying that the PC can't be hooked up to a TV and played from a couch with a gamepad, because it sure can.
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#185 Grive
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Well since you're not making the arguement that Microsoft owns the platform, why repsond? I mean you aren't really refuting what I'm saying. You're merely scaling down the degree to which my arguement works. It still totally works. By the console fanboy's logic just because you use Microsoft software its a MIcrosoft platform. You use other companies in your computer as well. So by his logic its all of their platforms. Heres the funny thing. The TC is arguing against himself.Vandalvideo


Pretty much because I'm bored a bit.

There is a problem with your argument. MS software is the base from where everything else is developed. Hierarchically speaking, most PC games are played on a microsoft platform, and that is the windows environment.

The thing is, windows is a microsoft platform, and by and PC gaming is primarily a windows affair (linux has a small percentage, yeah, but it's not nearly enough to be a majority).
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#186 skixwolf
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I think there should be a separate category in which multiplat games that score higher than on other systems get... and thats how the PC.360 "exclusivity" could/should be decided imo
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#187 beldugo
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[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]No, it's not exclusive.

If it is on any other platform it cannot be considered exclusive.

People say it doesn't matter that most 360 games are also on PC but most Xbox games were also on PC. It's a major reason the Xbox was less preferred than the PS2.

I think MS need to work harder to secure games solely for the 360 and I think they've done a good job so far but they need to work harder. Gears, Banjo, Kameo, PGR, Forza, Mass Effect are all good (and in some cases upcoming) exclusives imo.
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your wrong.. i didnt like xbox 1 because they didnt have that many rpgs and fighting games not because they share pc games. thats the love of my life rpgs and fighting games. with a console it all comes down to the game with 360 they have the games so it gets purchase. back on topic if the software been use to play the game is needed then that application is exclusive to that software. windows and 360 run the same software.. even though they dont get $ from the windows game they still get money because we are purchasing windows. in the end the game is exclusive to MS. therefore their is windows exclusive and 360 exclusive. if its windows and Mac is not exclusive, if its ps3 and 360 is not exclusive. bioshock, masseffect and all of does are MS exclusive games.

the pc and 360 are seperate systems. there's no way around it. you can't put a 360 game into a computer and expect it to work nor can you put a pc game into a 360 and expect it to work. just because pcs use windows as an operating system doesn't mean that 360/pc multiplats are microsoft exclusives.

what seperates them is that one is a gaming console while the other one is a personal computer. its like comparing car cd players to cd players. they both have the same function but one can do something that the other one cant thats why they are different.
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#188 Hewkii
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[QUOTE="beldugo"] nobody is saying that. pc have the right to discuss whatever they want in system wars. the point of thread is exclusivity if you go to the link i posted you will see the first result is bioshock exclusive for pc and 360 Exclusive its the magic word. now if MS is wrong and other websites is wrong and you guys are right then i dont know what else to say.

GTAIV is exclusive to 360 and PS3.
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#189 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Well since you're not making the arguement that Microsoft owns the platform, why repsond? I mean you aren't really refuting what I'm saying. You're merely scaling down the degree to which my arguement works. It still totally works. By the console fanboy's logic just because you use Microsoft software its a MIcrosoft platform. You use other companies in your computer as well. So by his logic its all of their platforms. Heres the funny thing. The TC is arguing against himself.Grive


Pretty much because I'm bored a bit.

There is a problem with your argument. MS software is the base from where everything else is developed. Hierarchically speaking, most PC games are played on a microsoft platform, and that is the windows environment.

The thing is, windows is a microsoft platform, and by and PC gaming is primarily a windows affair (linux has a small percentage, yeah, but it's not nearly enough to be a majority).

I am not denying Microsoft has a huge hold in PC gaming by any means. I'm merely using his logic as a precedent and making the conclusion that its also an EPIC/ID/Valve platform. I'm open for logical explanations as to why people think its a Microsoft platform. Just be ready for me to twist your logic.
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#190 Hewkii
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[QUOTE="beldugo"] nobody is saying that. pc have the right to discuss whatever they want in system wars. the point of thread is exclusivity if you go to the link i posted you will see the first result is bioshock exclusive for pc and 360 Exclusive its the magic word. now if MS is wrong and other websites is wrong and you guys are right then i dont know what else to say.

the other website is correct.
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#191 beldugo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Beldugo: Yes, your saying because the Operating system is microsoft, its exclusive to that software because thats the software it uses. Ok then, lets use your logic as a precedent. You need the game engines from various companies and the drivers from certain companies to run those games. By your precedent, that means its exclusive to those as well. I'm saying using your logic, the PC is also a Creative platform, an nvidia platform, epic platform, ID platform, etc.

yea if thats how you want to put yea. in the end everyone gets paid. game producer pay for the tools then they make the game and we pay them, we get pay from our boss, the banks pay our boss, we the people pay the bank, ms gets payed when we buy windows, and when we buy the 360, nvidia gets payed when we buy their graphic cards thats needed to play the game, squaresoft pays to use unreal engine. its all a chain yes and everyone will get pay in the end. when we strip everything down its exclusive to every tool they used unless for example they use 2 engines in 1. which will never happen because if you add 1 engine+ 1 egine it = a whole new engine called engine #1 again. point is the only way you can play bioshock is if MS gets payed.
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#192 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Beldugo: Yes, your saying because the Operating system is microsoft, its exclusive to that software because thats the software it uses. Ok then, lets use your logic as a precedent. You need the game engines from various companies and the drivers from certain companies to run those games. By your precedent, that means its exclusive to those as well. I'm saying using your logic, the PC is also a Creative platform, an nvidia platform, epic platform, ID platform, etc.

yea if thats how you want to put yea. in the end everyone gets paid. game producer pay for the tools then they make the game and we pay them, we get pay from our boss, the banks pay our boss, we the people pay the bank, ms gets payed when we buy windows, and when we buy the 360, nvidia gets payed when we buy their graphic cards thats needed to play the game, squaresoft pays to use unreal engine. its all a chain yes and everyone will get pay in the end. when we strip everything down its exclusive to every tool they used unless for example they use 2 engines in 1. which will never happen because if you add 1 engine+ 1 egine it = a whole new engine called engine #1 again. point is the only way you can play bioshock is if MS gets payed.

So you just acknowledged your logic was flawed saying that just because you play on Microsoft software its a microsoft platform?
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#193 CaseyWegner
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what seperates them is that one is a gaming console while the other one is a personal computer. its like comparing car cd players to cd players. they both have the same function but one can do something that the other one cant thats why they are different.beldugo

you can play the same cd on a car player and a home player. :|

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#194 Hewkii
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point is the only way you can play bioshock is if MS gets payed.beldugo
Piracy. or would you argue that MS would be payed before the game was released?
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#195 CaseyWegner
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windows is just one component of what allows pcs to play games. the pc is not a microsoft platform. microsoft does not manufacture pcs.
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#196 beldugo
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="beldugo"] nobody is saying that. pc have the right to discuss whatever they want in system wars. the point of thread is exclusivity if you go to the link i posted you will see the first result is bioshock exclusive for pc and 360 Exclusive its the magic word. now if MS is wrong and other websites is wrong and you guys are right then i dont know what else to say.

the other website is correct.

Development had taken place for a PS3 version of the game but has yet to be officially announced. It is believed that a temporary exclusive deal might exist for the Xbox 360 which would allow for the game to come out to other consoles after a certain period of time. taken off wikipedia and that explains that website ^_-.. everything has an explanation.
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#197 Illumination
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both run microsoft software.
one is game console or enterntainment system, the other is a Personal computer (PC).

if lets say Halo 3 releases for PC and 360. who is the one at lose? the 360 or pc? or the other console that will never get it? like Sony, NES and Mac.

its funny when people dont call does game exclusive when their both running on microsoft software not on sony, nintendo, linux, or mac software.

if you dont think does are call exclusive explain.

beldugo



If a game come sout on 360 AND PC it is still 360 exclusive because the PC market has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the console market. They are 2 COMPLETELY Different audiences. Why do you think all sales charts are top 10 all formats & then  top 10 PC seperatly? Besides PC gamers look down on ALL consoles as dumbed down kiddy crap, even xbox.



Besides if 360 & PC no longer counts as 360 exclusive then Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid & Devil May Cry can no longer be called playstation exclusives because they have ALL seen pc releases so you can no logner sure that ps3 is the ONLY place to play those games because many past, playstation exclusive, entires in those serieses are also available on PC. Now should I buy DMC3 for $29.99 on ps2 or $14.99 on PC? MGS2:subsistence DVD-rom only on PC, $14.99 new. Just some examples.

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#198 skixwolf
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they should call higher rated multiplat games on certain consoles AAA! instead of AAA, to differentiate the two
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#199 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="beldugo"] point is the only way you can play bioshock is if MS gets payed.



I think you're completely missing the point about why we argue what games are exclusive and what's not.  The company primarily responsible for a particular platform (whether it be Windows, the 360, PS3, Game Boy, whatever) is none of our concern.  Why would anyone here care what company gets the money in the end?  The exclusivity argument is to determine what games are out there that you have to buy that platform in order to play.  Just because Bioshock can only be played on an MS platform, it doesn't mean its exclusive in any way that's relevant to system wars. 
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#200 Hewkii
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[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="beldugo"] nobody is saying that. pc have the right to discuss whatever they want in system wars. the point of thread is exclusivity if you go to the link i posted you will see the first result is bioshock exclusive for pc and 360 Exclusive its the magic word. now if MS is wrong and other websites is wrong and you guys are right then i dont know what else to say.

the other website is correct.

Development had taken place for a PS3 version of the game but has yet to be officially announced. It is believed that a temporary exclusive deal might exist for the Xbox 360 which would allow for the game to come out to other consoles after a certain period of time. taken off wikipedia and that explains that website ^_-.. everything has an explanation.

in other words, it's not exclusive.