PC gamers:U$299 PC vs Xbox One / $198 PC vs past gen console

Because not everyone has a Windows license to transfer...

proves that i am part of a big youtube conspiracy of fake benchmarks?

The 260x is basically a overclocked 7790, the 128bit bus limits what the gpu can do at higher resolutions. so its not really any better then the X1's gpu. And to the fact its only 1gb hurts it when games will use 2 or more gigabytes of memory for buffer. Also diablotek psu's suck and are almost guaranteed to fail within a few years of use. Ive seen three used and all three died within two years. You can find better case+psu combos like from thermaltake or coolermaster for double of what pos is worth.

Especially if they are jumping into PC gaming for the first time.

And not everyone needs to game on windows for their $300 pc to be more powerful than the XB1. Why is this shit so hard to understand?

You just don't get it do you.

Sure enough, after a few minutes of test one, we got an electrical zzzt sound and the unit was dead. At 184 watts, it died. Seems a long way from 650 watts, doesn't it? We didn't even get a chance at using the scope on this one, it went out that soon.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=71

A 650W rated PSU that died failing to provide less than 200W... Let me say that again to reenforce the point. It died failing to provide less than 50% of what its rated at.... Now you say that the world is running on sub-par PSU's which is true i'll give you that but those people are not putting in dedicated video cards, they aren't pushing those PSU's at all. Lets look at what the inside of the 650W PSU looked like.

Do you really think that stuff is going to made of good quality materials? Do you think that cooling is suitable?

Lets get to the point here, this build you cooked up is nothing but a deathtrap. It fails to meet current game standards and it certainly won't be playing anything that comes out in 2015. If you have saved $300 for something to play games on, play a 3DS and a stack of games rather then this POS.

So now the argument has gone from "it won't work with that power supply. It's too weak" to "That psu is powerful enough, but it's not a brand name I like therefore it is more prone to failure, despite not on bit of statistical evidence to back it up". That's called MOVING THE GOALPOST.

which your $299 build can't play

i have the same card as you but my $600 PC cost me only $400

R7260x needs 500W PSU LOL, you know Sh*** about PSUs do you?

do you even know what is TDP? what is a 12v rail?

this build need 115W for GPU and 54W for CPU + ABOUT 20W for the rest = 179W youre safe with a $10 250W PSU, 400W PSU is a big waste

What the hell doesn't he understand? He posted the card's max watt usage. Do you understand that minimum recommendations for power supplies are RECOMMENDATIONS for average system builds when using that card? Is it so hard to comprehend the words average and recommendation? Every manufacturer will tell you the max watt usage of their devices. All you have to do is add them up! Did you stop believing in math or something?

sure...

I never said it wouldn't work, I'm talking about poor quailty that PSU is. I showed you a PSU that is bargain basement and is rated to more than what the TC used and it failed to produce less than half of what it was supposed to. I used that to highlight the danger of using cheap PSU's. You seem hellbent on showing that you can create a PC that rivials consoles for under $300. To that end, no. You can't create a PC that costs less than $300 and still have to compete with consoles. I also find it amusing that TC is using a BF4 benchmark to try and prove his point when his build in the OP doesn't even have Windows included. BF4 does not run natively under Linux and no amount of fucking around with WINE is going to make it run like it would under Windows. Does he expect owners to pirate it?

That PC is able to play BF4. You cannot commit the fallacy of hasty generalization by assuming that because not everyone has a license for Windows which they could transfer, that everyone specifically doesn't have a transferable because it helps your argument.

you talk like battlefield 4 is free to play online on consoles

wanna talk software costs?

sure...

That PC is able to play BF4. You cannot commit the fallacy of hasty generalization by assuming that because not everyone has a license for Windows which they could transfer, that everyone specifically doesn't have a transferable license because it helps your argument.

sure...

@tormentos: It's pretty well known that manufacturer tend to exaggerate the minimum PSU requirement. A good 500w could run a 780!

Your perception of the quality of the PSU is Irrelevant. Showing a video of one mechanical device failing is also statistically irrelevant. The company producing the product is still in business selling the product. If they were dangerous or didn't work they wouldn't be. We can either judge your statements by personal experience from a video, or by using real data and reason. Would you never buy a Ford because some Fords break down? If this were the case, no one would have bought the 360 because God knows so many of them broke down. same goes for the PS3 or any other manufactured product.

Your OS argument is also nonsense. The OS doesn't change the capabilities of the hardware. This hardware will always be more powerful than the hardware in the XB1.

Now you are grasping at straws.

I don't think you own a PC i think you are a die hard troll.

And the R9270 you used last time needs a 500watts PSU i know i have that same card.oh did i mention i didn't buy an HDD with my PC or even a case fan.? Which your case doesn't have either.?

20 watts for the rest..hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You build like a moron and i already prove that,so once again what will be next time.? Mounting the components on a piece or plastic because you don't need a case.?

Hahahaha...

I could care less what you and the other sad troll say,this the cardboard box my R9 270 came with,this are the requirements on the back and it clearly say freaking 500 watts or greater,and for Crossfire 600watts or greater,now who should i take as valid you or the damn card manufacturer.?

He used the same sh** PSU on another system already but pair with this ^^ same GPU,and i told him so and many people told him so the PSU was sh**,the only moron who doesn't know anything about PSU is you and him,which i really think now are the same loser.

at tom's hardware they make builds with parts that the recommended wattage on their boxes add up to 1200W, and they do it with 500W PSUs

why dont you go there and call them losers?

The PC you posted for $299 cannot play BF4. No amount of videos will change that

sure, a 7770 can but a R7 260X cannot, why is it so hard for people in SW to just say: "ok, youre right, ive just said shit" ?

A good one yes but not the one in the OP.

@tormentos: Just stop. Now you are comparing the power recommendations for two different cards. Wow. You cannot fix stupid....

Your perception of the quality of the PSU is Irrelevant. Showing a video of one mechanical device failing is also statistically irrelevant. The company producing the product is still in business selling the product. If they were dangerous or didn't work they wouldn't be. We can either judge your statements by personal experience from a video, or by using real data and reason. Would you never buy a Ford because some Fords break down? If this were the case, no one would have bought the 360 because God knows so many of them broke down. same goes for the PS3 or any other manufactured product.

Your OS argument is also nonsense. The OS doesn't change the capabilities of the hardware. This hardware will always be more powerful than the hardware in the XB1.

Now you are grasping at straws.

Then slowly back away from the monitor you are sitting in front of, or the mobile device upon which you are replying, because some of them have been known to explode as well, even the Sony ones...

If you are going to continue to cover your eyes and ears over this then so be it. There is statistical evidence that those PSU's fail and when they do fail they lack the safety features to stop them catching fire and burning your house down. At the very least they will take your rig down with them when they die. There is a reason why nearly every season PC builder will tell you never to use cheap PSU's. The only reason they are still around is because they supply them in bulk to companies like Hp, Dell and Acer who get massive discounts. That is manufacturing 101, reduce your costs down to the lowest point to maximize your profit.

The OS argument is valid, how else are you going to play BF4 unless you either pirate a copy of Windows or spend $100 on a legit copy. You are correct in saying that the OS doesn't change the hardware but that is like having a sports car with no gas. It looks good but whats the point if you can't drive it.

agreed, the one on the OP is good for 115W R7 260X on a 180W build

the real certified 500W is good for a GTX 780 on a 400W build

but PSUs are very cheap, a very decent 450W 80plus PSU is around 20-25 on newegg

please provide some examples

Again, refer to my last post on this. That 650W failed to produce less that 200W. That PSU was supposed to be rated to provide 650W of power but it died not being able to produce less than half. I ran a GTX580 at stock clocks on a Silverstone Strider 500W and that thing was getting hot. That is a 80+ Bronze PSU and even that was running at its limit. The rest of the parts with a dual core pentium 775 and 4GB of RAM and one HDD. Nothing crazy but it still had problems. Do you really think that a 400W would be able to run a gaming build with a 780?

have you ever seen a PSU fail? like for real? do you know what really happens?

ps4/x1 without live or PS+ is a sports car without gas

$2400 PC on a 750W PSU, for the dumb logic it would require 1200W just for the graphics cards

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/system-builder-marathon-pc-overclocking,3771.html

except you don't just add the wattage together for the GPUs. Even el tormo pointed that out "requirements on the back and it clearly say freaking 500 watts or greater,and for Crossfire 600watts or greater"

good, you learnt somthing, next lesson: TDP, what is it? is it important?

No actual none daft gamer would spend less than $500 on a gaming rig. If you go the cheap route with PC gaming you're gonna regret it, shyte ain't gonna last and you'll miss out on a few games that actually have the above avg system requirements.

I just dropped $950 on my new rig and I love it (I've got my moneys worth), sure I should have went with 16gb of ram instead of 8gb and go with the 760 4gb instead of the 2gb version but that would have costed me an extra $130 or so but I had to spend that possible extra cash on getting my computer here asap. The more money you put into a gaming PC the longer it will last (hopefully) and the higher the settings you can achieve in games.

but bro, i only have 300, and i cant play without kb and mouse... what you got for me?

but bro, i only have 300, and i cant play without kb and mouse... what you got for me?

So now you want us to believe that there have been many verified accounts of pc power supplies catching fire INSIDE A METAL BOX, which is also inside a metal box, and burning down entire houses? Just stop. Do you not realize that most of these power supplies and 100% of the components come from only a few places in China and that every company just slaps their name on them? If you really believe that one power supply is really any more a of a quality product than another, then you are very ignorant of the world in which you live. It's not like the "brand name" ones operate on a different set of the laws of physics. Eh, whatever...

but bro, i only have 300, and i cant play without kb and mouse... what you got for me?